Andy and Ron, Thanks so much for your replies. Ron, I came to the same conslusions as you. That CLY must stand for Clyde. Andy, thanks for the photos and detailed reply. Only snag, it wasn't a one off! Voyages found, all identical except one where it has built of iron in the script. Sayed Pacha G. Roche MC49 115 Greenock 90 HP 1849 Galloway London CLY Medit. 49 1851-52 one voyage 1852-1853 one voyage 1853-1854 Two voyages 1854-1855 Two voyages 1856 - 1857 one voyage I know that George Roch(e) had retired by 1861, 1861 Census he is back visiting brother in law in Llanstadwell in Pembrokeshire and is listed as Retired Master Mariner. He retired back there shortly to live after spending most of his sea going life out of Ireland. Once again many thanks for your help. Maureen

Hello Paxie,   Are you sure it is this German/Prussian barque ARAB? I suspect that it might have been the Union Steamship Company (Limited) intermediate steamer ARAB, Captain Tyson, which left Southampton Sat., 26 January, 1895 with passengers, mails and cargo for Lisbon, Teneriffe and Cape of Good Hope. Can you give any further information?, more specific dates? was SWS passenger or crew?   Regards, Adi   --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Paxie Kelsey <paxie@telkomsa.net> wrote: Hi there Is there anyone who could tell me a more complete history of this barque ... I have a Stephen William SMITH who sailed on the Arab from England to the Cape in 1895. Many thanks Paxie   ----- Original Message -----   From: Ted Finch   To: Rhonda Staskow ; mariners@rootsweb.com       Hello Rhonda,   According to American Lloyds Register, the Master's name in 1882 was Moos.   regards   Ted

Hi Wendy I agree with you that ADM 175 can make interesting reading, and as you've discovered, allow you to research a rellie from abroad. Regarding the entry 'see 77 9/29' most coastguard stations, or at least the Chief Officer, much like commanding officers of HM ships, would have letter books which recorded letters received and sent to the Coastguard Station and I suspect that these references are to the letter books : so perhaps letter No. 77 received possibly Sep 1829 would have been the authority for the demotion, but without the letter book I doubt we'll ever know what that referred to, and being as it was a local document was probably destroyed after x number of years, or what ever the rules were for that sort of thing in the Coastguard ? Since there was only one step between the two ranks or ratings of Commissioned Boatmen and Boatmen, I suspect that the Commissioned Boatmen probably equated to a Petty Officer in the Royal Navy, and the Boatman to an Able Seaman. Both grades would appear to have lasted, I believe, through to the early years of the 20th Century. As to what transgression might have caused his demotion to Boatman, it is difficult to know, but one can only make suggestions, taking into account their profession and the culture that may have existed i.e. he may have enjoyed a few drinks too many which may have caused problems with time keeping or arguing when he should have been saying "Aye aye Sir," ;-) or perhaps, since he was probably in the company of the Boatmen for much of the time he was at work he was considered to be too familiar with those who he was supposed to be in charge of which might have caused problems ? Since correspondence appears to have resulted from the problem it would appear that approval from "on high" was needed before he could be reduced in rating, which suggests that their approval would also have been needed before he could have been advanced to Commissioned Boatmen in the first instance. Most certainly a fair number of the Coastguards were former RN personnel, many of whom probably enjoyed their rum and beer and who may well have brought their habits with them to the Coastguard Service. Paul On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:57:51 +1000, Wendy Jessup <w.jessup@unsw.edu.au> wrote: >Dear Listers, > >I am working through the ADM 175 series of Coastguards records, which are presently downloadable free from the National Archives. I was very pleased to be able to trace my ancestor from Cornwall in 1821 to various stations in Ireland before returning to the UK and a couple of east coast postings until his retirement in the 1840s. The records are fascinating, but there are some things that were not clear, and I would appreciate any help in interpretation that other readers might be able to provide. > >I note that each station comprised a Chief Officer, a Chief Boatman and usually several Commissioned Boatmen and another category called just 'Boatmen'. I would be interested to know the differences between Commissioned Boatman and plain ordinary Boatman. My sorry ancestor was promoted from Boatman to Commissioned Boatman and then later reduced to Boatman again and I wonder what transgression is likely to have precipitated this? > >I also note that the Establishment books often have cryptic references that I am having trouble deciphering. For example, on the occasion of my ancestor's demotion, there is a reference 'see 77 9/29' I m pretty sure that the '29' refers to the date 1829, but the rest of the reference and its likely location are obscure. Any help with that would be much appreciated. > >Finally, it appears that my ancestor started his career with the nascent coastguard service on the revenue cutter 'Hind' in the late 1810s until 1821. I have gleaned a bit of information on this from the internet and it appears at some times to have been very successful at intercepting smugglers. Any more information about this would be great. > >Best wishes >Wendy Jessup >Sydney, Australia. > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:04:16 +0100 (BST), Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> wrote: >Have you tried the Gentleman's Magazine obituaries? And during the Napoleonic Wars there was the Naval Chronicle which ISTR announced many naval officers hatches, matches and despatches, a number of which can also be found in Google Books, along with other magazines which came and went during the 19th Century such as the Nautical Magazine, some apparently lasting only a couple of years, or at least only a few editions appearing in Google Books. It will be interesting to see what the current British Library scanning programme produces. Now we'll find out if Rootsweb have sorted out their filters ? Paul 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Maureen, I do hope one of our Listers can provide a definitive answer, as this from me is pure guesswork! I think we must both feel Medit is short for Mediterranean? However, there does not seem to be any present-day port in the Med which would abbreviate to CLY. My guess, therefore, is that this might stand for Clyde (which in some ways appears quite obvious!) perhaps in the context of loading in the Clyde and then proceeding to the Mediterranean. As I say, just a guess, but my starter for ten! Ron Mapplebeck ***** On 06/07/2011 16:45, Maureen Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > I have traced an ancestor George Roche who was Ships master on the > Sayed Pasha. Lloyd's register 1854- 1855 page 182. It states that the > destination is CLY. Medit. Help! What does the CLY stand for? I > realise that it must be a Port Abbreviation but cannot find it! The > vessal was built in Greenock but home Port was given as London > > Hoping that someone can help. > > Many thanks > > Maureen > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Thank you, Susan, for the link to the Aberdeenships site, which includes details of both the INGELI and the INANDA, on which one of my grand-uncles & his family travelled from London to Durban in 1904 & 1909 respectively. Interesting to see that the INGELI was for ten years of her life (as the CHASSERAL) part of the Swiss Navy. :-) Best wishes Gordon From: Susan Enns < bellenns@rogers.com> Subject: [MAR] The sinking of the 'Ranger' Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:34:03 -0400 I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives from Sunderland, UK. I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for the schooner was made with the markings of J & B Christie. I'm suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would there only be one of these made? I welcome any information. Many thanks, Susan Enns Canada.

Maureen There is some cause to believe that CLY. Medit. may indeed be a description of a voyage from the Clyde to the Mediterranean. Sayed Pacha was built as a steam yacht for HRH Sayed Pacha of Egypt by Caird and Company of Greenock in 1849. She was a relatively small vessel of some 80 tons and my guess would be that this was a 'one way' voyage the ship spending the remainder of her life in the Eastern Med. Sayed Pacha (Saeed, Said, variously spelt) was a Khedive or Vice Regent of Egypt under the Ottoman Empire. He signed the agreement with De Lesseps for the building of the Suez Canal and the port at the northern end of the canal was named after him (Port Said). Born 1822 he died in 1863. A number of steam vessels of this period were owned by the Khedivial Govt with mainly Egyptian crew but included European senior officers who were contracted to the Khedive. This may explain your mans connection. I have sent an Illustrated London News engraving of the vessel to you off list. I hope this helps. Rgds Andrew Adams

Thank you all for your help. That is perfect. Regards Rhonda On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ted Finch <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > Hello Rhonda, > > According to American Lloyds Register, the Master's name in 1882 was Moos. > > regards > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Staskow" < > rhonda.staskow@gmail.com> > > To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:04 AM > Subject: [MAR] Barque Arab - arrival to Liverpool in 1882 > > > >> Dear Listers - >> >> I am looking for information on the arrival of the barque Arab to >> Liverpool >> (or another UK port) from Manila, sometime around May, June, July 1882. >> The >> ship departed Manila in January of that year and departed Liverpool on >> July >> 20 1882 for a return trip to Manila. It is a German or Prussian ship. Any >> information, including the captain listed, would be much appreciated. >> >> Thanks and regards, Rhonda >> >> ------------------------------**- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > -------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3747 - Release Date: 07/06/11 > 06:34:00 > > > >

Dear Listers, I am working through the ADM 175 series of Coastguards records, which are presently downloadable free from the National Archives. I was very pleased to be able to trace my ancestor from Cornwall in 1821 to various stations in Ireland before returning to the UK and a couple of east coast postings until his retirement in the 1840s. The records are fascinating, but there are some things that were not clear, and I would appreciate any help in interpretation that other readers might be able to provide. I note that each station comprised a Chief Officer, a Chief Boatman and usually several Commissioned Boatmen and another category called just 'Boatmen'. I would be interested to know the differences between Commissioned Boatman and plain ordinary Boatman. My sorry ancestor was promoted from Boatman to Commissioned Boatman and then later reduced to Boatman again and I wonder what transgression is likely to have precipitated this? I also note that the Establishment books often have cryptic references that I am having trouble deciphering. For example, on the occasion of my ancestor's demotion, there is a reference 'see 77 9/29' I m pretty sure that the '29' refers to the date 1829, but the rest of the reference and its likely location are obscure. Any help with that would be much appreciated. Finally, it appears that my ancestor started his career with the nascent coastguard service on the revenue cutter 'Hind' in the late 1810s until 1821. I have gleaned a bit of information on this from the internet and it appears at some times to have been very successful at intercepting smugglers. Any more information about this would be great. Best wishes Wendy Jessup Sydney, Australia.

Hi there Is there anyone who could tell me a more complete history of this barque ... I have a Stephen William SMITH who sailed on the Arab from England to the Cape in 1895. Many thanks Paxie ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Finch To: Rhonda Staskow ; mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Barque Arab - arrival to Liverpool in 1882 Hello Rhonda, According to American Lloyds Register, the Master's name in 1882 was Moos. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Staskow" <rhonda.staskow@gmail.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: [MAR] Barque Arab - arrival to Liverpool in 1882 > > Dear Listers - > > I am looking for information on the arrival of the barque Arab to > Liverpool > (or another UK port) from Manila, sometime around May, June, July 1882. > The > ship departed Manila in January of that year and departed Liverpool on > July > 20 1882 for a return trip to Manila. It is a German or Prussian ship. Any > information, including the captain listed, would be much appreciated. > > Thanks and regards, Rhonda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3747 - Release Date: 07/06/11 06:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have traced an ancestor George Roche who was Ships master on the Sayed Pasha. Lloyd's register 1854- 1855 page 182. It states that the destination is CLY. Medit. Help! What does the CLY stand for? I realise that it must be a Port Abbreviation but cannot find it! The vessal was built in Greenock but home Port was given as London Hoping that someone can help. Many thanks Maureen

Hello Rhonda, According to American Lloyds Register, the Master's name in 1882 was Moos. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Staskow" <rhonda.staskow@gmail.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: [MAR] Barque Arab - arrival to Liverpool in 1882 > > Dear Listers - > > I am looking for information on the arrival of the barque Arab to > Liverpool > (or another UK port) from Manila, sometime around May, June, July 1882. > The > ship departed Manila in January of that year and departed Liverpool on > July > 20 1882 for a return trip to Manila. It is a German or Prussian ship. Any > information, including the captain listed, would be much appreciated. > > Thanks and regards, Rhonda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3747 - Release Date: 07/06/11 06:34:00

Hi again, Rhonda I should have said that the ARAB arrived in Liverpool from Manilla on 9th May 1882. Regards Gordon From: "Gordon Evans" <gordon.w.evans@btinternet.com> To: "Rhonda Staskow" <rhonda.staskow@gmail.com>; <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Barque Arab - arrival to Liverpool in 1882 >Hi Rhonda >According to the Glasgow Herald of Friday 5 May 1882 the ARAB arrived in >Queenstown (Ireland) from Manilla on 4th May. >According to the Liverpool Mercury of Monday 8 May 1882 the ARAB left >Queenstown for Liverpool on 7 May. >According to the Glasgow Herald of Wednesday 10 May 1882 the ARAB arrived >in >Liverpool from Manilla. >No master's name mentioned, I'm afraid. :-( >Regards >Gordon > >From: "Rhonda Staskow" <rhonda.staskow@gmail.com> >To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:04 AM >Subject: [MAR] Barque Arab - arrival to Liverpool in 1882 > >Dear Listers - >I am looking for information on the arrival of the barque Arab to Liverpool >(or another UK port) from Manila, sometime around May, June, July 1882. The >ship departed Manila in January of that year and departed Liverpool on July >20 1882 for a return trip to Manila. It is a German or Prussian ship. Any >information, including the captain listed, would be much appreciated. >Thanks and regards, Rhonda

Hi Rhonda According to the Glasgow Herald of Friday 5 May 1882 the ARAB arrived in Queenstown (Ireland) from Manilla on 4th May. According to the Liverpool Mercury of Monday 8 May 1882 the ARAB left Queenstown for Liverpool on 7 May. According to the Glasgow Herald of Wednesday 10 May 1882 the ARAB arrived in Liverpool from Manilla. No master's name mentioned, I'm afraid. :-( Regards Gordon From: "Rhonda Staskow" <rhonda.staskow@gmail.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: [MAR] Barque Arab - arrival to Liverpool in 1882 >Dear Listers - >I am looking for information on the arrival of the barque Arab to Liverpool >(or another UK port) from Manila, sometime around May, June, July 1882. The >ship departed Manila in January of that year and departed Liverpool on July >20 1882 for a return trip to Manila. It is a German or Prussian ship. Any >information, including the captain listed, would be much appreciated. >Thanks and regards, Rhonda

I would appreciate any random input here: Still trying to sort out the James Dillon , lieut in the RN, dilemma. Here is what I have to date :- James Dillon Married 8th May 1802 ST Giles, Norwich, Norfolk Spouse: Anne (Ann, Anna) Sarah Raven (daughter of Henry Baldwin Raven) Issue ?? 1.Sarah Dillon ,(probably named for Ann Raven’s grandmother, Sarah Raven, who left money in her will to Ann) born 28th Dec 1802 , St Giles, Norwich, Norfolk, England Died 2nd Jan 1803 2.James Dillon, born 24th September 1805, St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, England. Possibly the James Dillon who died in 1827, age 22years, son of the “late Lieut James Dillon, RN) Died in a “hunting accident” whilst shooting rabbits. 3.Emily Dillon, born 18th of June 1811, Saint Giles, Norwich, England. Probably Emily Dillon, “only surviving child of the late Lt. James Dillon, RN) who married in 1830 to Rev. Wm Easdon Lumb. Emily married at KINGS LYNN. Here is my dilemma: Who is James Dillon, Lieut in the RN who died at Trowse, Norfolk, in 1811, age 32 years? Who is James Dillon, born c 1807, who died at Halford Vicarage in 1887? Emily (Dillon) Lumb was living there (Her husband was vicar there 1843 – 1885ish) And where and when did Lieutenant James Dillon die? It had to be pre 1827, as his son James’s death notice stated he was the son of the”Late” James Dillon, RN , and his daughter Emily’s death notice stated she was the only surviving child of the “late” James Dillon RN. Who is the Lieutenant Dillon who died in 1826? He had taken command of the ARIEL that year, for the London – South America trade, but a news report stated a rumour that he and his son drowned in the upset of a boat. (They pointed out that as he was in the “foreign” trade his widow would probably not be eligible for a pension payment). Was he James Dillon. And perhaps his son didn’t die in that incident ? Who is: Emily Dillon, christened 18th Oc 1819, All Saints, South Lynn, Norfolk (KINGS LYNN). James Dillon, born 12th February 1824, Saint Mary St, Marlylebone Rd, Lon, son of James Dillon/Ann ? and just as an aside: -Ann Dillon nee Raven had a nephew named James Dillon Raven.

This is how Susan started an enthralling thread less than a week ago! Thanks to input specifically from Peter Klein, Adi Carmichael, and John Stevenson, but also from sighting the actual documentation held by Susan herself, we have satisfied the Aberdeen Museum that the RANGER was, in fact, lost on the Goodwin Sands, not off Aberdeen. This means the inscription on the rummer glass is, for some strange reason, wrong. To me this demonstrates the collective resources utilised by our listers in many ways to clarify matters of maritime history often, as in this case, now many years in the past - with the ability to correct factual errors which arise from time to time. Well done MARINERS' LIST and all concerned. Ron Mapplebeck ***** On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: > I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the > schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship > dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the > letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives > from Sunderland, UK. > > I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 > . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of > Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. > Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? > > This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for > the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm > suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was > this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would > there only be one of these made? > > I welcome any information. > Many thanks, > > Susan Enns > Canada. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Jenny, Two newspapers (Ipswich Journal and Bury and Norwich Post), that reported the death of the James Dillon who died at Trowse in Norfolk in June 1811, both reported his death as being 32, which might make a difference - unless one paper printed it wrong, and the other merely copied it! Have you tried the Gentleman's Magazine obituaries? The GMs were bound as half-yearly volumes, each with an index at the back, which noted briefly the births, marriages and deaths of society folk such as the Dillons, naval officers etc. Bound volumes in a library are probably easier to search through, although most if not all have been scanned more than once for Google Books, and are available online. Unfortunately they're presented in more or less random date order, although you can specify the years on search. They might be worth trying. Kind regards PK ________________________________ From: J. Fawcett <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au> To: mariners-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 6 July, 2011 4:24:26 Subject: [MAR] Brainstorming help needed I would appreciate any random input here: Still trying to sort out the James Dillon , lieut in the RN, dilemma. Here is what I have to date :- James Dillon Married 8th May 1802 ST Giles, Norwich, Norfolk Spouse: Anne (Ann, Anna) Sarah Raven (daughter of Henry Baldwin Raven) Issue ?? 1.Sarah Dillon ,(probably named for Ann Raven’s grandmother, Sarah Raven, who left money in her will to Ann) born 28th Dec 1802 , St Giles, Norwich, Norfolk, England Died 2nd Jan 1803 2.James Dillon, born 24th September 1805, St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, England. Possibly the James Dillon who died in 1827, age 22years, son of the “late Lieut James Dillon, RN) Died in a “hunting accident” whilst shooting rabbits. 3.Emily Dillon, born 18th of June 1811, Saint Giles, Norwich, England. Probably Emily Dillon, “only surviving child of the late Lt. James Dillon, RN) who married in 1830 to Rev. Wm Easdon Lumb. Emily married at KINGS LYNN. Here is my dilemma: Who is James Dillon, Lieut in the RN who died at Trowse, Norfolk, in 1811, age 32 years? Who is James Dillon, born c 1807, who died at Halford Vicarage in 1887? Emily (Dillon) Lumb was living there (Her husband was vicar there 1843 – 1885ish) And where and when did Lieutenant James Dillon die? It had to be pre 1827, as his son James’s death notice stated he was the son of the”Late” James Dillon, RN , and his daughter Emily’s death notice stated she was the only surviving child of the “late” James Dillon RN. Who is the Lieutenant Dillon who died in 1826? He had taken command of the ARIEL that year, for the London – South America trade, but a news report stated a rumour that he and his son drowned in the upset of a boat. (They pointed out that as he was in the “foreign” trade his widow would probably not be eligible for a pension payment). Was he James Dillon. And perhaps his son didn’t die in that incident ? Who is: Emily Dillon, christened 18th Oc 1819, All Saints, South Lynn, Norfolk (KINGS LYNN). James Dillon, born 12th February 1824, Saint Mary St, Marlylebone Rd, Lon, son of James Dillon/Ann ? and just as an aside: -Ann Dillon nee Raven had a nephew named James Dillon Raven. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to thank you all for your earnest attempts to clarify this story. I too am very impressed how well the collective voice of the Mariner's List managed to affect Maritime History and so quickly! My gratitude goes out to all who contributed to this mystery. Regards, Susan Enns On 6-Jul-11, at 7:55 AM, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > This is how Susan started an enthralling thread less than a week ago! > > Thanks to input specifically from Peter Klein, Adi Carmichael, and > John Stevenson, but also from sighting the actual documentation held > by Susan herself, we have satisfied the Aberdeen Museum that the > RANGER was, in fact, lost on the Goodwin Sands, not off Aberdeen. > > This means the inscription on the rummer glass is, for some strange > reason, wrong. > > To me this demonstrates the collective resources utilised by our > listers in many ways to clarify matters of maritime history often, > as in this case, now many years in the past - with the ability to > correct factual errors which arise from time to time. > > Well done MARINERS' LIST and all concerned. > > Ron Mapplebeck > ***** > On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: >> I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the >> schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship >> dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the >> letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives >> from Sunderland, UK. >> >> I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 >> . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of >> Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. >> Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? >> >> This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for >> the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm >> suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was >> this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would >> there only be one of these made? >> >> I welcome any information. >> Many thanks, >> >> Susan Enns >> Canada. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >>

Dear Listers - I am looking for information on the arrival of the barque Arab to Liverpool (or another UK port) from Manila, sometime around May, June, July 1882. The ship departed Manila in January of that year and departed Liverpool on July 20 1882 for a return trip to Manila. It is a German or Prussian ship. Any information, including the captain listed, would be much appreciated. Thanks and regards, Rhonda

Hello again Gordon,   Splendid. If you'd like to give me the "4 for sure" names, I'll get you some citations next time I am in the newspapers.   Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 7/5/11, Gordon Shank <gdshank@comcast.net> wrote: Thank you so much Adi for all the research you did. I am assuming the references you have listed were from another source (newspapers)? I have checked them all against the Lloyd’s Register website and found 4 for sure that appear to be Walter although several of the others could/should also be valid like the Minerva in 1850 even though he is not listed there.   From: Mme_N_Carmichael [mailto:mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:39 PM To: Gordon Shank; MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt Walter SHANKS circa 1818 - 1900   Hello Gordon,   >From the newspapers, here are some 'possibles' to check against Lloyd's registers for master's name, owner's name. Apparently there was more than one SHANKS as master, but the shipping news usually gives surname only.   Here's the link to Lloyd's registers online: http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html   and here's the list of possibles: 1841 - schooner BELECK CASTLE of Glasgow 1841-2  - CLYDE 1842 - HUGH WALKER 1842 - SARAH 1843-4 - ROBINA 1845 - HANNAH ISABELLA 1845-6-7, 1849 - brig ANNA or ANN 1846, 1848 - MAGOG 1848 - SUPERB 1851 - COILA 1853-4-5 - AGNES SOPHIA of Glasgow 1854 - MINERVA 1854 - ship CANADA of Greenock   Regards, Adi