I guess that when I answered the request I should have been more exact, and check my files for any additional data. For many years, 17 or more, I have been making a research on any vessel ever named COLOMBO, COLUMBUS, COLON, &c., and I have been checking thousands of books, in different languages, Registers, Newspapers, Lloyd's List, MNL, &c., even reconstructing the voyages of most of the vessels from early 1700's to date. My file of this COLOMBO, did not show where I got my O/N from, now in checking a file on data I transcribed from the Mercantile Navy List (1850-1920), I see that I got this data from the MNL of 1864. Check for the BRIDGET (37096), in the Alphabetical List of British Registered Vessels. Of course I did search for the Bridget, after having obtained knowledge that this COLOMBO was originally built as the BRIDGET. I hope this clear the confusion.

Thankyou Peter, I hope so too. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Klein To: Edie McArthur Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Mercantile Navy List Hello Edie, The 1864 edition of the MNL is available on Google Books at: http://books.google.com/books?id=VOoNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR13&dq=%22mercantile+navy+list%22&hl=en&ei=D-ctTr7VGcvWsgaa7azaCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22mercantile%20navy%20list%22&f=false I hope you find what information you need. Regards. PK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> To: Mariners Rootsweb <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 25 July, 2011 22:49:49 Subject: [MAR] Mercantile Navy List Hi Does anyone have a copy of the 1864 Mercantile Navy List pleae. Not sure if that is he title of front cover but has the lists inside. I can get the 1862 version up but the next one is 1882 which is too late for he Mariner Robert evans. There are 809 pages not in alphabetical order. There must be an easier way. Where can I find a list in Alphabetical order fot that time slot please. Thanks Edie mcArthur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Canadian Heritage Information Network have some history . http://www.pro.rcip-chin.gc.ca/bd-dl/nav-ship-eng.jsp?emu=en.vessel:/Proxapp/ws/vessel/public/vessel/Record&upp=0&m=1&w=NATIVE(%27OFFICIAL_NO+%3D+37096%27)&order=native(%27NAME%27) Mick Mariners List

I have a request for a photo of the SS. Almagro / Coonagh 1904 / 1917 from a visitor to my website, if any one can help out I would much appreciate it. Built as Almagro O.N 119149 in 1904 owned by Tasso SS Co Ltd Registered in Glasgow. 1393 gross tons built by Sir Raylton Dixon & Co launched in May 1904. 1907 she was purchased by Limerick Steam Ship Co Registered in Limerick renamed SS Coonagh. 1917 she was torpedoed and sunk off the coast of France with the loss of all ten crew. Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com

-----Message d'origine----- From: yves bertrand Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:31 AM To: hwabz@aol.com Subject: Re: [MAR] "Nourse Line" by Perry and Laxon Bonjour Harold, Hello everybody, Extract from this book: S13. BOYNE (1877-1886) Iron ship; reduced to barque 1882. ON 77003. 1403g, 1338n, 226.1x37.1x22.3 feet. 28.7.1877: launched by Oswald, Mordaunt & Co., Southampton (Yard N° 163), and first registered 6.9.1877. 24.4.1882: lost her Master and abandoned when the cargo shifted in heavy weather in the Bay of Biscay (46°N, 12°W), bound Liverpool-Barbados with general cargo. The crew were rescued by the barque ORCHID and taken to Barbados. On the 27th the steamer CHARRINGTON encountered the derelict in 45°N, 10°W and attempted to take it in tow. The next day the crew of the barque CAPE FINISTERRE boarded and also attempted a tow. On the 29th SHEVINGTON at last effected a tow and arrived at Falmouth on 3rd May. 21.6.1886: Stranded near Jagernath Pagoda, False Point, en route Fiji-Calcutta in ballast. Amitiés Yves from France Sorry no photo in the book. -----Message d'origine----- From: hwabz@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:07 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] "Nourse Line" by Perry and Laxon I'm wondering if anyone on the list has the book "Nourse Line" by F. Perry and W. Laxon. If yes, I'd very much appreciate a quick look-up for the ship Boyne. I'm particularly interested in the ship's dimensions and any references to her first captain, John Kelly (of Belfast). This Boyne is ON 77003, built 1876, Southampton, 1,351 tons. Thanks very much. Harold Bradley Alamo, CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

on 26 Jul 2011 Edie wrote Can anyone tell me please if a Ship has a name change (Mercahnt Navy) does the ship keep her original number please. >>>>>>>>>> On the British and US registers, and no doubt on some others, the Official Number does stay constant. That is, provided it stays on the same national register. And since the early 1980s, the IMO number became a lifetime indicator, regardless of flag, name etc. But there are some countries that don't have a national numbering system. For example, in Greece, the numbers are issued by ports, so will change if the port of registry changes (but stay the same if it is a new name at the same port). And of course the systems of national official numbers were only introduced in different countries during at varying times from the mid-19th century onwards. David

Harold, Here is a copy of the Perry & Laxon book regarding Boyne. Regards, Cori -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of hwabz@aol.com Sent: 26 July 2011 00:07 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] "Nourse Line" by Perry and Laxon I'm wondering if anyone on the list has the book "Nourse Line" by F. Perry and W. Laxon. If yes, I'd very much appreciate a quick look-up for the ship Boyne. I'm particularly interested in the ship's dimensions and any references to her first captain, John Kelly (of Belfast). This Boyne is ON 77003, built 1876, Southampton, 1,351 tons. Thanks very much. Harold Bradley Alamo, CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed if you have received this email in error please notify the System Manager This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. While DP World has taken reasonable precautions to minimise the risk of any attachment to this email containing viruses, we cannot accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of any such viruses. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening this document. DP World FZE is a company formed and registered in Dubai, UAE under number 00468. DP World FZE’s registered office and head office is at 5th Floor, LOB 17, Dubai, UAE. The DP World group includes The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company and its subsidiary companies. The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company was formed under Charter in 1840, is registered in England and Wales under number ZC73 and has its registered office at 16 Palace Street, London, SW1E 5JQ. **********************************************************************

As an aside - Eileen Marcil's history of Quebec shipbuilding, "The Charlie-Man" gives BRIDGET's builder's name as Joseph Dubord-Angers. She was originally registered at the port of Quebec. An English transcript of the original construction contract is included. It is five pages long and covers all the work done and payments made from the time the first timbers were cut and paid for (5 November 1860) until rigging was completed (15 June 1861). Tonnage was calculated at 979 tons and payment was 40/ a ton so the cost was 1,949 pounds. John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:57 AM To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo > Hi have been told that the Colombo lost in the Cyclone at Calcutta was > originally Bridget but can find no reference to either Bridget or Colombo. > This is the reason for the question re: Ships number remaining the same > when there is a change. Does anyone have references to the Bridget > please. > The information I was given was; > Colombo, built 1863 by AJ Duberd at Point aux Trembles, near quebec as the > BRIDGET. > 934 grt., 863 net. Dim.: 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0 ft. > Registered at Liverpool (n. 520), on Dec. 24, 1863 as COLOMBO, for Wm > Thompson Dixon & Edward Wm Wynne. > Lost at Calcutta Oct. 5, 1864. > > I have been to Quebec to the port there in 1998 to see if they had a > photof of another ship. I remember them having a thick book with photos > of ships and information of other shiips without pictures so maybe they > could even help. > > The chap who gave me the information cannot find his reference for it. He > gave the number as 37096, signal letters SCNB we could really do with this > ship seamans list. > > Does anyone else have this information and cantell me where this came from > please aas we would like to quote a reference in our research as one does. > Thanks > Edie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Edie, Yes, the ship kept her Official Number unless sold to foreign registry. If later repurchased by British owners, the same number was usually re-allocated. Ted On 26/07/2011 07:24, Edie McArthur wrote: > Hi > Can anyone tell me please if a Ship has a name change (Mercahnt Navy) does the ship keep her original number please. > Thanks > Edie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Does anyone have a copy of the 1864 Mercantile Navy List pleae. Not sure if that is he title of front cover but has the lists inside. I can get the 1862 version up but the next one is 1882 which is too late for he Mariner Robert evans. There are 809 pages not in alphabetical order. There must be an easier way. Where can I find a list in Alphabetical order fot that time slot please. Thanks Edie mcArthur

Hello again, Edie,   In that 1864 Mercantile Navy List that Peter gave you, call letters S.C.N.B. are assigned to BUDGET of Quebec, O.N. 37096, 933 tons (page 565, Google's pagination).   It is my understanding that very often North American built ships were very often sent to the UK with an initial cargo of timber to be then sold in the UK.   Merseyside Maritime Museum appears to have Transaction Books which record changes in ownership. http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/archive/displayGuide.aspx?sid=53&mode=html&sorStr=&serStr=&pgeInt=&catStr=   Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 7/26/11, Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Received: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 7:57 AM Hi have been told that the Colombo lost in the Cyclone at Calcutta was originally Bridget but can find no reference to either Bridget or Colombo.  This is the reason for the question re: Ships number remaining the same when there is a change.  Does anyone have references to the Bridget please. The information I was given was; Colombo, built 1863 by AJ Duberd at Point aux Trembles, near quebec as the BRIDGET. 934 grt., 863 net. Dim.: 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0 ft. Registered at Liverpool (n. 520), on Dec. 24, 1863 as COLOMBO, for Wm Thompson Dixon & Edward Wm Wynne. Lost at Calcutta Oct. 5, 1864. I have been to Quebec to the port there in 1998 to see if they had a photof of another ship.  I remember them having a thick book with photos of ships and information of other shiips without pictures so maybe they could even help. The chap who gave me the information cannot find his reference for it.  He gave the number as 37096, signal letters SCNB we could really do with this ship seamans list. Does anyone else have this information and cantell me where this came from please aas we would like to quote a reference in our research as one does. Thanks Edie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Edie,   The ship with O.N. 37096 is named on the CLIP website as BUDGET. http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsnum.php   There is an 1863 crew agreement at Memorial University of Newfoundland for her. http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=37096   Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 7/26/11, Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Received: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 7:57 AM Hi have been told that the Colombo lost in the Cyclone at Calcutta was originally Bridget but can find no reference to either Bridget or Colombo.  This is the reason for the question re: Ships number remaining the same when there is a change.  Does anyone have references to the Bridget please. The information I was given was; Colombo, built 1863 by AJ Duberd at Point aux Trembles, near quebec as the BRIDGET. 934 grt., 863 net. Dim.: 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0 ft. Registered at Liverpool (n. 520), on Dec. 24, 1863 as COLOMBO, for Wm Thompson Dixon & Edward Wm Wynne. Lost at Calcutta Oct. 5, 1864. I have been to Quebec to the port there in 1998 to see if they had a photof of another ship.  I remember them having a thick book with photos of ships and information of other shiips without pictures so maybe they could even help. The chap who gave me the information cannot find his reference for it.  He gave the number as 37096, signal letters SCNB we could really do with this ship seamans list. Does anyone else have this information and cantell me where this came from please aas we would like to quote a reference in our research as one does. Thanks Edie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Info on Crew lists can be found here. http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=77003 Mick Mariners List

Boyne ON 77003, Iron Ship 2 Decks 2 Bulk Heads 1351 nrt 1416 gross Dim 226.1 by 37.1 feet, depth of the hold was 22.3 . Ref = Lloyds Reg 1880 Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: <hwabz@aol.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:07 AM Subject: [MAR] "Nourse Line" by Perry and Laxon > > I'm wondering if anyone on the list has the book "Nourse Line" by F. Perry > and W. Laxon. If yes, I'd very much appreciate a quick look-up for the > ship Boyne. I'm particularly interested in the ship's dimensions and any > references to her first captain, John Kelly (of Belfast). This Boyne is ON > 77003, built 1876, Southampton, 1,351 tons. > Thanks very much. > Harold Bradley > Alamo, CA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Does anyone happen to know it a similar list exists for Americans ? I surely hope it does ! Jean Eichhorn

Hello Edie, The 1864 edition of the MNL is available on Google Books at: http://books.google.com/books?id=VOoNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR13&dq=%22mercantile+navy+list%22&hl=en&ei=D-ctTr7VGcvWsgaa7azaCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22mercantile%20navy%20list%22&f=false I hope you find what information you need. Regards. PK ________________________________ From: Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> To: Mariners Rootsweb <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 25 July, 2011 22:49:49 Subject: [MAR] Mercantile Navy List Hi Does anyone have a copy of the 1864 Mercantile Navy List pleae. Not sure if that is he title of front cover but has the lists inside. I can get the 1862 version up but the next one is 1882 which is too late for he Mariner Robert evans. There are 809 pages not in alphabetical order. There must be an easier way. Where can I find a list in Alphabetical order fot that time slot please. Thanks Edie mcArthur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Merci bien, Yves! The Boyne certainly attracted many "Good Samaritans" after her 1882 difficulties. I appreciate your reply. Harold

I'm wondering if anyone on the list has the book "Nourse Line" by F. Perry and W. Laxon. If yes, I'd very much appreciate a quick look-up for the ship Boyne. I'm particularly interested in the ship's dimensions and any references to her first captain, John Kelly (of Belfast). This Boyne is ON 77003, built 1876, Southampton, 1,351 tons. Thanks very much. Harold Bradley Alamo, CA

Hello everyone I visited Pembrokeshire RO a couple of years ago and transcribed some log books & crew agreements for *Dunloe* - my g g g grandfather was the Master, Walter Batten. It occured to me that others might be interested in some of the crew members listed below. According to the record of Walter's voyages: On 12 January 1866 Dunloe left Cardiff for Palermo returning to London on 29 August. On 6 October he left Cardiff for Ancona returning, from Philadelphia to Sligo on 27 June 1867. Regards Mary ** *DUNLOE 28581* Three-masted barque of 300 tons built at Sunderland and was registered at Milford between 1864 & 1877. It then transferred to Guernsey. *Crew agreement Port no. 8 1864* Owner C P Philips Haverfordwest. Master W Batten Cert 50327, home address: Milford Voyage from Cardiff, Palermo, thence if required New York and any other port or ports in North or South America, U. States, West Indies, Mediterranean, ……but finally to a port of discharge in the United Kingdom, not to exceed two years. Walter Batten, age 44: last ship: same ship. Date & place of discharge: remains Date & place of discharge 29/8/66 London. Cause: remains William Williams age 30 Fishguard. Mate cert 32045 (?) Thomas Jones 22 Haverfordwest Bosun. James Johnston 22 Barladows ?? AB William George 40 Fishguard AB Edward Shelley 25 Southampton AB Thomas Evans 21 Fishguard AB John Evans 17 Dinas AD ? Robert Peterson 18 Shetland OS Thomas Ekstrom? 20 Sweden OS John John 17 Frolignan ? OS George Lock 19 Swansea OS Apprentices: Mark Howells 17 (date of indenture 19 Feb 65? Swansea) (At discharge remained) John Thomas 14 (as above, Milford) Deserted at Philadelphia July 20th Joze dos Santos 25 Lisbon Cook & steward. Deserted at Philadelphia 24/5/67 Jules Cagan 24 Paris AB Deserted at Philadelphia 23/5/67 ..........Stewart 18 Queenstown 26/6/67 Paid off at Sligo* *

Hi Sean A search of Google books for "Mulreany + Donegal" brings up numerous entries , If you could name a vessel associated with them it might help to get the ball rolling. Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: Seán To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:44 PM Subject: [MAR] Irish Ship Owner Dear List, I am looking for any information that might be available on a ship owner/merchant named Mulreany. They operated between the West coast of Ireland (Donegal Bay), and France, Northern Spain and Portugal. They shipped wines and spirit and other commodities to Ireland around the late 1700 to early 1850. I understand from family stories that the Captain of one of the ships was a Scott named Bennett. Any information would be much appreciated. Thank you and best regards, Seán Tapley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message