The one of Liverpool may be of interest. Did you only note the number not the year Alex? Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex borgogno" <alex442@virgilio.it> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:31 PM Subject: [MAR] Colombo >A few O/N of vessels named Colombo, from my files: > 25124, of London; 37096, of Liverpool; 38533, of Sydney, CA; 47664, of > London, and later of Hong-Kong; 54994, of Liverpool; 61351, of Miramichi; > 62058, of Greenock; 45664, of London; 900473, of Miramichi. > And a Columbo, 58080, of Sunderland. > I have many more, but no O/N for them, most were early vessels, this list > does not include Italian or French vessels by this name. > I must add that I have not done a in depth research on these vessels, > since for me are only a curiosity, not having any certain relation with > Cristopher Columbus's name, as the Italian vessels of this name have. > However when I find any data of them, I take a note of it. > Alex > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Piers. Actually the Broomielawwas of interest as that is the ship on her miaden voyage that brough our McArthur family to Australia. We actually went to Quebec port to see about a photo for her but there has never been a photo anywhere. Still nothing official to prove the Budget Bridget or any other ship became the Colombo who sunk in the Cyclones off Calcutta in 1864. Thankyou to everyon who have tried to help. We really need the right Colombo to get the O/N If the Budget is the one mentioned earlier that was stillabout in 1869 it cannot be our Colombo as she was sunk in 1864 Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Smith-Cresswell" <piers@ps-c.demon.co.uk> To: "'Mariners List'" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo > Looks like she was BUDGET: the 1862 American Lloyds Register of American > and > Foreign Shipping has a 933 ton Quebec ship of that name in 1862 edition, > other details tally: http://tinyurl.com/3z4p63a . If there was a > transcription error then it evidently made it onto that as well. > > BUDGET continues to appear in editions up to 1869, but it should be noted > that in 1869 she was recorded as last "seen" in NY in 1863, so it goes to > show that such things aren't necessarily all that accurate and shouldn't > be > absolutely relied upon! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Mick > Sent: 26 July 2011 18:31 > To: Mariners List > Subject: Re: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo > > > Pete owns from the Clip Website has sent me a cutting from the > Appropriation > > books this shows her entry in the Book as Budget and subsequently sold to > Liverpool under a new name, what you don't see in the clip is that she was > first reg,d in Quebec in 1861 but take it from me its there. > > I have posted it here and sent a copy to Edie > > http://www.mariners-list.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pid=47#top_dis > play_media > > > My link in the last post seems to have an error so try this one. and > search > by number. > > http://www.pro.rcip-chin.gc.ca/bd-dl/nav-ship-eng.jsp?emu=en.vessel:/Proxapp > /ws/vessel/public/vessel/SearchForm > > > > Mick O Rourke > > Mariners List > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Most of us have checked now and then the Canadian site, and had the opportunity to notice that Eileen Marcil is often quoted as the referential source for data offered on many Quebec's vessels, which should be proof enough of the research done by her and the great consideration for it. Up at this moment what we have, Marcil tells that this vessel was contracted in 1860 to be named Bridget, and was completed by 1861. It would shade some light if it was possible to learn who was the first contracted buyer. It may seem that the sale did not succeed, since we see the vessel calling at New York as the Budget. At this pont the vessel arrives at Liverpool, as Budget (?), and it is registered as Colombo, the clerk registers the former name as the Bridget, this may be because some document indicated the name the vessel was first launched as Bridget. And this could be the only explanation I can thing of. However other documentations indicate the name as Budget, so we are two documentations to three. The Bengal book, confirms that the vessel was lost and the obvious date. An entry from the Glasgow Herald ties (finally), the name of Evans as master of the lost Colombo, but gives exactly what the Lloyd's List gives:- ship Colombo, no news. So I think that more data can be found for this vessel, to help out with the dilemma Bridget/Budget, and our friend Edie. What I find very interesting, is that so many members of the List have taken the time to come up with a contribution to this Forum. This surley reflects the great spirit of this community which is helping others, and sharing our data with others. I am surly proud to be a member of such community. Much Alohas and Mahalo Nui Loa to everyone Alex

Ted, Many thanks Rod At 10:47 27/07/2011, Ted Finch wrote: >Hi Rod, > >Yes, a maximum of 12 passengers before a doctor is necessary. Leighton was >described as a cargo ship so would not carry more than 12. > >regards >Ted

Hi John I have uploaded the full page from the appro- books as supplied by Pete Owens , download it for best view. http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/list-images/budget.jpg If you examine the other hand writing by the same writer I am sure you will come to the same conclusion . The builder or owner may have intended to call this vessel Brigit, But She is named Budget on two separate continents long before the chin transcriber put it in a database. In my last post I stated that there was no Brigit registered in that period. There was however a Budget registered in Quebec in 1861. The important part for Edie is that the vessel with official number 37096 Brigit / Budget became Colombo in 1863 and came to grief in 1864. Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: jduerkop@cogeco.ca To: Edie McArthur ; alex borgogno ; mariners-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Colombo/Bridget Eileen Reid Marcil's book "The Charley-Man" is subtitled "A History of Wooden Shipbuilding at Quebec 1763-1893". The English version of the book appeared in 1995, I think the French one preceded it by a couple of years. It contains what is given as a complete list of all seagoing vessels built in the area. There is no BUDGET listed. I think it possible that the CHIN reference previously cited is incorrect as to the name. It has happened before with that source. The person doing the data entry to the CHIN website probably read "BRIDGET" as "BUDGET", which would be very easy to do with handwritten entries. As far as I am aware the material Marcil collected is not available on line as such. I do know that she has donated at least some of her research materials to various institutions. John From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:23 AM To: <jduerkop@cogeco.ca>; "alex borgogno" <alex442@virgilio.it>; <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Colombo/Bridget > Isthere anything else in the data you are looking at please and can I go > to a website and view. > Thanks > Edie > ps Sorry about all f these posts but maybe one day someone else may be > asking the same questions but it will be there for them. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jduerkop@cogeco.ca> > To: "alex borgogno" <alex442@virgilio.it>; <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Colombo/Bridget > > >> The translated transcript of the contracts to build the ship at Pointe >> aux >> Trembles are quite clear. Her name was to be BRIDGET. The translation >> was >> done by Parks Canada. Incidentally, Mr. Angers made a profit of 37 >> pounds, >> 14 shillings and 1 pence in building her. That was a profit of less than >> 2 >> %. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "alex borgogno" <alex442@virgilio.it> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:03 PM >> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [MAR] Colombo/Bridget >> >>> It is becoming very interesting. I managed to check my early hand >>> written >>> transcription from the "Liverpool Ships Register" to see if I made an >>> error typing this data into my PC, the name I see is Bridget. >>> The American Lloyd's Register gives correct data on this vessel. I had >>> not >>> checked it before for her, probably due to her short life, which did not >>> make it much interested to me. >>> At this point I can only think that, either I made an early error of >>> transcription, or the Liverpool Ships Register got the wrong name >>> entered. >>> Yes the MNL gives the name Budget, I remember I thought that it was an >>> error, due to my previous findings. >>> The only think to do now, to clear the issue, is to check the Canadian >>> Register for the name Budget. >>> Those vessels name Bridget listed, do not seem to have to correct >>> tonnage >>> to qualify. >>> Alex >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re SANS PAREIL -Possibly James Tippet, Lieutenant 27th September 1794, Commander 29th April 1802. Drowned May 1809. (Syrett & DiNardo). Peter Beeston -----Original Message----- From: Chris Maxworthy Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2011 1:42 PM To: mariners-l Subject: [MAR] HM Ships Sans Pareil and Melampus - 1801 in West Indies -"Tibbett" Lieutenant hi folks I have a sailor narrative where he served in 1801 onboard HMS Melampus in the West Indies before he deserted and made his way back to London via Cadiz. In the narrative an officer is named - Tibbett - but I can find no record of him. The narrator tends to be vague with names - usually the first few letters of a name are on the money, but after that point it can be anything. So I'm hoping that one of you with access to Steel's or a hunch might help. If not then I'll need to have a check made of the Pay Books / Musters. Here is the extract and rough dates: "After our cruize was out we returned to Port Royal where Captain Moor left us [this would be August 1801] and returned to England. Captain Gosling [Thomas Gosselin (1765-1857)] who was appointed to our ship, being absent on a cruize, the First Lieutenant of the *Sans Pareil* [HMS] took charge of us for the cruize. His name was Tibett and he prooved [proved] to be a tartar but however his command did not last long, for in two months captain Gosling joined us off the Havanah where we was stationed; with several other ships blockading the port and frequently for deversion [diversion] we was to stand close in and amuse the Spaniards by fireing [firing] a broadside or two at the forts." Any suggestions gratefully received. Chris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris, I have only a hunch to offer - since he seems to have spelled Gosselin the way he heard it, have you tried Tippett? A google search finds mention of a Lieutenant Tippett around the right time. Cheers, Katherine On 27 July 2011 13:42, Chris Maxworthy <cgmaxwor@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a sailor narrative where he served in 1801 onboard HMS Melampus in > the West Indies before he deserted and made his way back to London via > Cadiz. > > In the narrative an officer is named - Tibbett - but I can find no record > of > him. The narrator tends to be vague with names - usually the first few > letters of a name are on the money, but after that point it can be > anything. > So I'm hoping that one of you with access to Steel's or a hunch might help. > If not then I'll need to have a check made of the Pay Books / Musters. > Here > is the extract and rough dates: > > "After our cruize was out we returned to Port Royal where Captain Moor left > us [this would be August 1801] and returned to England. Captain Gosling > [Thomas Gosselin (1765-1857)] who was appointed to our ship, being absent > on > a cruize, the First Lieutenant of the *Sans Pareil* [HMS] took charge of us > for the cruize. His name was Tibett and he prooved [proved] to be a tartar > but however his command did not last long, for in two months captain > Gosling > joined us off the Havanah where we was stationed; with several other ships > blockading the port and frequently for deversion [diversion] we was to > stand > close in and amuse the Spaniards by fireing [firing] a broadside or two at > the forts." > >

hi folks I have a sailor narrative where he served in 1801 onboard HMS Melampus in the West Indies before he deserted and made his way back to London via Cadiz. In the narrative an officer is named - Tibbett - but I can find no record of him. The narrator tends to be vague with names - usually the first few letters of a name are on the money, but after that point it can be anything. So I'm hoping that one of you with access to Steel's or a hunch might help. If not then I'll need to have a check made of the Pay Books / Musters. Here is the extract and rough dates: "After our cruize was out we returned to Port Royal where Captain Moor left us [this would be August 1801] and returned to England. Captain Gosling [Thomas Gosselin (1765-1857)] who was appointed to our ship, being absent on a cruize, the First Lieutenant of the *Sans Pareil* [HMS] took charge of us for the cruize. His name was Tibett and he prooved [proved] to be a tartar but however his command did not last long, for in two months captain Gosling joined us off the Havanah where we was stationed; with several other ships blockading the port and frequently for deversion [diversion] we was to stand close in and amuse the Spaniards by fireing [firing] a broadside or two at the forts." Any suggestions gratefully received. Chris

Hello Edie,   She is also BUDGET in 1862 Volume of Mercantile Navy List.   Regards, Adi Please see Page 560 in January 01, 1862 issue of Mercantile Navy List

I did a search on the inter-web for this before I posted and came up empty , looks like none exists . Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com Its the end of July in the west of Ireland, its cold and raining, looks more like October . ----- Original Message ----- From: Mick To: Mariners List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:29 PM Subject: [MAR] Limerick Steamship Coonagh I have a request for a photo of the SS. Almagro / Coonagh 1904 / 1917 from a visitor to my website, if any one can help out I would much appreciate it. Built as Almagro O.N 119149 in 1904 owned by Tasso SS Co Ltd Registered in Glasgow. 1393 gross tons built by Sir Raylton Dixon & Co launched in May 1904. 1907 she was purchased by Limerick Steam Ship Co Registered in Limerick renamed SS Coonagh. 1917 she was torpedoed and sunk off the coast of France with the loss of all ten crew. Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

on 26 Jul 2011 Adi wrote: I seem to be going round in circles on this one. I am looking for details of a naval court (not a court-martial) held in Constantinople on 6 February, 1862 and presided over by Captain Seymour of HMS WANDERER, where a merchant captain was tried on charges of placing men in irons without sufficient authority. Pointers on where to look gratefully accepted. >>>>>>>>>>>>> In the past I have found this kind of report in the Consular papers for the place in question, in the National Archives at Kew. These inquiries/courts were ordered by the Consul and headed by a RN captain or an experienced British master mariner, as available (and failing that, by the consul himself). In this case, possibly among following files: FO 78/1677 Consuls at Constantinople; Cumberbatch, Dunlop, Abbott, Stevens, Guarracino. 1862. FO 78/1696 Supreme Consular Court: Sir E. Hornby, Dr. Parnis, Mr. Francis. 1862 Jan.-April. FO 78/1789 Accounts of H. M. 's Supreme Consular Court, Constantinople, vol. 3. 1862-1863.[probably financial accounts only] FO 780/368 Supreme Court, Constantinople. Despatches from Foreign Office, consular 1858-1863 FO 780/333 Supreme Court, Constantinople. Despatches to Foreign Office, judicial 1859-1862 If you have more details - eg name of ship, or people involved that would be helpful. David

Hello Piers,   Thank you for the reply. That's what I had thought.   The mate had "fallen from the top-mast to the deck and broken his leg." No detail on whether it was a simple break or compound fracture, so no idea of how long to recuperate. Also no idea of whether he was repatriated or made his own way back home. I suspect the latter, because when he walked into the shipowner's office "some months later" that was the first news received of the ship's last movements (she had been 'tramping' about the Med and Black Seas). Though one wonders why he didn't telegraph.   Richard Keys gives the last reported movement as "not been seen since leaving Enos on 26 December 1863, bound for Malta." Another source says she loaded with wheat somewhere in the Black Sea and headed for England. (Enos is in Romania, 125 miles west of Constantinople isn't it?)   Regards, Adi --- On Wed, 7/27/11, Piers Smith-Cresswell <piers@ps-c.demon.co.uk> wrote: Probably consular records again, at the National Archives, and they're unlikely to be online.  If you can track down the Crew Agreement for the voyage, it should contain an endorsement by the consul to the effect that so-and-so was discharged at such and such a place by reason of sickness or injury and that the master had deposited a sum to cover his hospital expenses.  That's assuming that the port in question had a consul.  SOMEONE would have had to have signed him off the ship, but if there was no consul then there probably isn't a record. I know that the ship's original papers would have been lost with the vessel, but there was a system by 1910 at least whereby copies of changes to the original agreement were forwarded to the BoT so that they could reconstruct the crew list for a missing vessel.  Not sure whether this was the case in 1863 though.  I'm also not sure whether records for individual cases would have survived; I did look through some consular records for 1906 and there were all sorts of letters there - but obviously only for the cases where it was necessary for the consul to write a letter.  If the chap went to hospital, got better, was discharged and got another job I wouldn't expect him to show up.  If he had to be repatriated, though, there might be something on it. You might be able to work out which port/consulate it was by tracking the vessel's route through Lloyd's List. Cheers Piers

Since she was of Liverpool, hopefully this is the right reference Alex. thankyou. edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex borgogno" <alex442@virgilio.it> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:15 AM Subject: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo >I just checked another one of my files, this is the "Liverpool Ship >Register 1787-1880" > COLOMBO, O/N 37096 > Built 1861 at Point aux Trembles, near Quebec, by A.J. Dubord as the > BRIDGET, and sold to foreigners. > Ship, 934 grt, 863 net, 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0 ft. > Registered at Liverpool 24 Dec. 1863 (no. 520), as COLOMBO. Owners:- Wm > Thompson Dixon, Liverpool merchant, 32/64, and Ed Wm Wynne, Liverpool > merchant, 32/64, joint owners. Lost Calcutta Oct. 5, 1864. > Hope this helps > > If I find more data on her I will share it. > Best > > Alex, retired US Merchant Mariner > Resident in the sunny Italian Riviera > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ThanksAlex. I now would like to know where I can view a copy of this 1850-1920 Mercantile Navy List. I was told that Google has a copy of the 1864 list. If all else fails I am sure the Britsh MuseumLibrary will have a copy as they along withthe Bodelian Library at Oxford have a copy of every publication written. Someone may make my life easeir though. A photocopy of the original would be great. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex borgogno" <alex442@virgilio.it> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:54 PM Subject: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo >I guess that when I answered the request I should have been more exact, and >check my files for any additional data. For many years, 17 or more, I have >been making a research on any vessel ever named COLOMBO, COLUMBUS, COLON, >&c., and I have been checking thousands of books, in different languages, >Registers, Newspapers, Lloyd's List, MNL, &c., even reconstructing the >voyages of most of the vessels from early 1700's to date. > My file of this COLOMBO, did not show where I got my O/N from, now in > checking a file on data I transcribed from the Mercantile Navy List > (1850-1920), I see that I got this data from the MNL of 1864. Check for > the BRIDGET (37096), in the Alphabetical List of British Registered > Vessels. Of course I did search for the Bridget, after having obtained > knowledge that this COLOMBO was originally built as the BRIDGET. > I hope this clear the confusion. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No Edie, my point is that BUDGET *WASN'T* still around in 1869. The name still appeared in American Lloyds up to 1869, sure, but American Lloyds wasn't an official register. The last they heard of BUDGET was in 1863 in New York (see the last column). As a reactive record they just kept reprinting the 1863 details until either someone got round to telling them to take them out, or they weeded it out themselves on the grounds that the info was now so old as to be unreliable. There was no obligation on anyone to tell them of the change. So since their last information was that BUDGET was seen in NY in 1863, it is entirely consistent with her being sold in December 1863 and thus the name disappearing from reports. After that she changed her name and there was nothing to connect COLOMBO with the former BUDGET, and she was wrecked not so long after that. No reports meant no updating, so American Lloyds just kept her in because for all they know she was laid up somewhere. The American Civil War being on at the time would probably not have made it easy to keep updated. What it does confirm, though, is that American Lloyds, at least, also read the Quebec-built 933-ton ship's name as BUDGET rather than BRIDGET. As did the Mercantile Navy List in 1864 (p650 on the link sent by Peter Klein). Note that this too was out of date, as the vessel's name seems to have changed in 1863. But you *DO* have an official proof that vessel ON 37096, named BUDGET (ok, or possibly BRIDGET), built in 1861 became COLOMBO of Liverpool in 1863 because you have a copy of the appropriation book (courtesy of Mick and Peter Owens). Personally I also read the entry as "Budget". It is a tricky one, but the "R" isn't formed in the same way as it was for CHERUB above, or MAGGIE LANDER below, and there is no dot above the "I", and I can't really see how else one would write "Budget" in joined-up script. Of course for all we know that could itself be a misreading of someone else's handwriting! The Canadian Public Archives (the other link provided by Mick) also read the vessel's name as BUDGET. This doesn't explain the references to BRIDGET except as errors in transcription somewhere along the line, but such things happened. I have researched an American vessel of the same period whose name was ALICE VENNARD but I have come across references to her in various sources as ALICE VENARD, KENNARD, VONNARD etc. Other evidence made it clear that it was the same vessel in each case, but the name just got constantly garbled. The link to the COLOMBO lost in the Calcutta Cyclone is on page 144 of the Government of Bengal's Report (on Google Books http://tinyurl.com/44a66w7 ). That vessel was recorded at 932 tons which is close enough, given the comparative rarity of the name, to suggest that it is the same vessel as the ex-BUDGET. You really want to tie her in more closely than that of course; Merseyside Maritime Museum might be a good place to start, as they have a blog post specifically about the 1864 Calcutta Cyclone which apparently bankrupted many Liverpool insurance companies. As BUDGET was re-registered at Liverpool COLOMBO might well appear somewhere in their records: see http://tinyurl.com/3vvt9ux Have a look at the Southampton website too: http://www.plimsoll.org/RegistersAndRecords/ Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: Edie McArthur [mailto:ediemc@bigpond.com] Sent: 27 July 2011 07:12 To: Piers Smith-Cresswell; 'Mariners List' Subject: Re: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo Thanks for that Piers. Actually the Broomielawwas of interest as that is the ship on her miaden voyage that brough our McArthur family to Australia. We actually went to Quebec port to see about a photo for her but there has never been a photo anywhere. Still nothing official to prove the Budget Bridget or any other ship became the Colombo who sunk in the Cyclones off Calcutta in 1864. Thankyou to everyon who have tried to help. We really need the right Colombo to get the O/N If the Budget is the one mentioned earlier that was stillabout in 1869 it cannot be our Colombo as she was sunk in 1864 Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Smith-Cresswell" <piers@ps-c.demon.co.uk> To: "'Mariners List'" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo > Looks like she was BUDGET: the 1862 American Lloyds Register of American > and > Foreign Shipping has a 933 ton Quebec ship of that name in 1862 edition, > other details tally: http://tinyurl.com/3z4p63a . If there was a > transcription error then it evidently made it onto that as well. > > BUDGET continues to appear in editions up to 1869, but it should be noted > that in 1869 she was recorded as last "seen" in NY in 1863, so it goes to > show that such things aren't necessarily all that accurate and shouldn't > be > absolutely relied upon! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Mick > Sent: 26 July 2011 18:31 > To: Mariners List > Subject: Re: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo > > > Pete owns from the Clip Website has sent me a cutting from the > Appropriation > > books this shows her entry in the Book as Budget and subsequently sold to > Liverpool under a new name, what you don't see in the clip is that she was > first reg,d in Quebec in 1861 but take it from me its there. > > I have posted it here and sent a copy to Edie > > http://www.mariners-list.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pid=47#top_dis > play_media > > > My link in the last post seems to have an error so try this one. and > search > by number. > > http://www.pro.rcip-chin.gc.ca/bd-dl/nav-ship-eng.jsp?emu=en.vessel:/Proxapp > /ws/vessel/public/vessel/SearchForm > > > > Mick O Rourke > > Mariners List > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Adi it will be useful. Budget/Bridget. Going around in circles right now. Niether have mentioned a change to Colombo. maye this Museum will have something on her. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: Mme_N_Carmichael To: Mariners Rootsweb ; Edie McArthur Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo Hello again, Edie, In that 1864 Mercantile Navy List that Peter gave you, call letters S.C.N.B. are assigned to BUDGET of Quebec, O.N. 37096, 933 tons (page 565, Google's pagination). It is my understanding that very often North American built ships were very often sent to the UK with an initial cargo of timber to be then sold in the UK. Merseyside Maritime Museum appears to have Transaction Books which record changes in ownership. http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/archive/displayGuide.aspx?sid=53&mode=html&sorStr=&serStr=&pgeInt=&catStr= Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 7/26/11, Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Received: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 7:57 AM Hi have been told that the Colombo lost in the Cyclone at Calcutta was originally Bridget but can find no reference to either Bridget or Colombo. This is the reason for the question re: Ships number remaining the same when there is a change. Does anyone have references to the Bridget please. The information I was given was; Colombo, built 1863 by AJ Duberd at Point aux Trembles, near quebec as the BRIDGET. 934 grt., 863 net. Dim.: 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0 ft. Registered at Liverpool (n. 520), on Dec. 24, 1863 as COLOMBO, for Wm Thompson Dixon & Edward Wm Wynne. Lost at Calcutta Oct. 5, 1864. I have been to Quebec to the port there in 1998 to see if they had a photof of another ship. I remember them having a thick book with photos of ships and information of other shiips without pictures so maybe they could even help. The chap who gave me the information cannot find his reference for it. He gave the number as 37096, signal letters SCNB we could really do with this ship seamans list. Does anyone else have this information and cantell me where this came from please aas we would like to quote a reference in our research as one does. Thanks Edie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou for that John. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jduerkop@cogeco.ca> To: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com>; "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo > As an aside - > > Eileen Marcil's history of Quebec shipbuilding, "The Charlie-Man" gives > BRIDGET's builder's name as Joseph Dubord-Angers. She was originally > registered at the port of Quebec. An English transcript of the original > construction contract is included. It is five pages long and covers all > the work done and payments made from the time the first timbers were cut > and paid for (5 November 1860) until rigging was completed (15 June 1861). > Tonnage was calculated at 979 tons and payment was 40/ a ton so the cost > was 1,949 pounds. > > John > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:57 AM > To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [MAR] Bridget/Colombo > >> Hi have been told that the Colombo lost in the Cyclone at Calcutta was >> originally Bridget but can find no reference to either Bridget or >> Colombo. This is the reason for the question re: Ships number remaining >> the same when there is a change. Does anyone have references to the >> Bridget please. >> The information I was given was; >> Colombo, built 1863 by AJ Duberd at Point aux Trembles, near quebec as >> the >> BRIDGET. >> 934 grt., 863 net. Dim.: 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0 ft. >> Registered at Liverpool (n. 520), on Dec. 24, 1863 as COLOMBO, for Wm >> Thompson Dixon & Edward Wm Wynne. >> Lost at Calcutta Oct. 5, 1864. >> >> I have been to Quebec to the port there in 1998 to see if they had a >> photof of another ship. I remember them having a thick book with photos >> of ships and information of other shiips without pictures so maybe they >> could even help. >> >> The chap who gave me the information cannot find his reference for it. >> He gave the number as 37096, signal letters SCNB we could really do with >> this ship seamans list. >> >> Does anyone else have this information and cantell me where this came >> from please aas we would like to quote a reference in our research as one >> does. >> Thanks >> Edie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Chris Would be inclined to agree with Katherine : I've not got a Tibbet, but have got a George Tippett and a James Tippet in my database. The sources for these gentlemen are as follows : for George Tippet see William James Naval History of GB http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval_History/Index/Index_T.htm http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval_History/Vol_III/Vol_III_P_267.htm then, 1804, a lieutenant on board the Wilhelmina, and for George Tippett, promoted Lieutenant in 1800, http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Navy_List_1805/Officers/Lieutenants.html and James Tippet, promoted commander 1802 http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Navy_List_1805/Officers/Commanders.html and in command of the Hawke, 19, both listed in Steel's List for May 1805. If asked for an opinion as to which one it might be I think I'd probably plump for James, as I would guess that his appointment to the *Sans Pareil* might be the right sort of appointment for a lieutenant heading promotion and for the command of a ship in the near future ? On the other hand this was war time and unusual things seem to take places during such times ;-) Regret I've not got a copy of Steel's for the year in question, and regret that neither officer appears to have survived until Jan 1845, so are not included in O'Byrne's Naval Biographical Dictionary. Paul On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:06:21 +1000, Katherine McLeod <katherine.mcleod@gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Chris, > >I have only a hunch to offer - since he seems to have spelled Gosselin the >way he heard it, have you tried Tippett? A google search finds mention of a >Lieutenant Tippett around the right time. > >Cheers, >Katherine > >On 27 July 2011 13:42, Chris Maxworthy <cgmaxwor@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have a sailor narrative where he served in 1801 onboard HMS Melampus in >> the West Indies before he deserted and made his way back to London via >> Cadiz. >> >> In the narrative an officer is named - Tibbett - but I can find no record >> of him. The narrator tends to be vague with names - usually the first few >> letters of a name are on the money, but after that point it can be >> anything. >> So I'm hoping that one of you with access to Steel's or a hunch might help. >> If not then I'll need to have a check made of the Pay Books / Musters. >> Here is the extract and rough dates: >> >> "After our cruize was out we returned to Port Royal where Captain Moor left >> us [this would be August 1801] and returned to England. Captain Gosling >> [Thomas Gosselin (1765-1857)] who was appointed to our ship, being absent >> on a cruize, the First Lieutenant of the *Sans Pareil* [HMS] took charge of us >> for the cruize. His name was Tibett and he prooved [proved] to be a tartar >> but however his command did not last long, for in two months captain >> Gosling >> joined us off the Havanah where we was stationed; with several other ships >> blockading the port and frequently for deversion [diversion] we was to >> stand >> close in and amuse the Spaniards by fireing [firing] a broadside or two at >> the forts." >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Rod, Yes, a maximum of 12 passengers before a doctor is necessary. Leighton was described as a cargo ship so would not carry more than 12. regards Ted On 27/07/2011 08:44, Rod Clayburn wrote: > Mariners, > > Am I correct in that the passenger carrying cargo ship rules specified up > to 12 without a Doctor? > > Please could anyone tell me under which rules the LEIGHTON, 145877, Lamport > and Holt Line, carried passengers? > The TNA Passenger Manifest shows around 10 person in the 1930's. > > Many thanks > > Rod > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello fellow listers I have finally located information on my elusive great great great grandfather and his father in Malta on http://website.lineone.net/~stephaniebidmead/other%20sites.htm. John Milliken was a sergeant instructor of musketry, 64th regiment of the British Army. He & wife, Hannah, had their first 3 daughters there - Hannah 1867, Edith 1869 (my great great grandmother) & Laura 1871. An army chaplain recorded John's father's (William Milliken) death circa 1868/69. How might I go about finding more information on the 64th regiment & the ship on which my ancestors left Antrim, Ireland (?) for Malta pre-1867? Regards, Tara