Hello,   Reading the posting on this morning's Digest was a good reminder of how many ways a person could have "died at sea."      What a potentially life-threatening occupation it was in 1800's !          Anthere were no "life preservers" or "lifeboats,"  etc., in the 1800's.    And no doctors on those ships !    And, no helicopters to bring an injured or sick mariner to shore !     Etc.        And, how many mariners knew how to swim?     And how many knew how to "tread water?"    In the news over the weekend was a man who had tread water for 18 hours.      And, "lockjaw" -  an early symptom of "tetanus."   Eventually the patient can't open their jaw.    How many mariners got a "tetanus shot" before they got on the ship?   ...  Just a reminder that I'm always interested in the KIDDER name.    Especially in John KIDDER, born  Maine,  who "drowned at sea in 1887."      His oldest son migrated from Maine to the Hawaiian Islands in 1870's.    How long of a trip was that?   ..And, James CLARK left from New Bedford, MA, in 1844 on a ship which was heading out for a 4-year voyage to the Indian Ocean.     He got on as a "greenhand"  and then "deserted" in Australia.     How many ports did that ship stop in during that 4-year voyage?       Just  curiousity-questions.   Betty             (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Hi Joe, Edward Pembroke. O.N.101919, 1,225 g.t. barque, built 1892 by A. McMillan & Son, Dumbarton for J. Hardie, London 1899 sold to C. Fesenfeldt, Elfsleth, Germany renamed Magnat. 9th May 1900 wrecked in bass Strait near Cape Patterson on voyage Cape Town - Newcastle NSW in ballast. Schell Register of steel merchant sailing ships 1890-1930 regards Ted > Hi there, > Can anyone clarify if it was the sailing ship EDWARD PEMBROKE built 1885 by S.P.Austin at Wear Dock,that was renamed MAGNAT and was wrecked on 9 May 1900 in Bass Strait or the EDWARD PEMBROKE built 1892 by A.McMillan& Son at Dumbarton which was renamed MAGNAT and wrecked there. > I am a bit confused as to which of these was wrecked at Bass Strait. > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Kindest regards, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi there, Can anyone clarify if it was the sailing ship EDWARD PEMBROKE built 1885 by S.P.Austin at Wear Dock,that was renamed MAGNAT and was wrecked on 9 May 1900 in Bass Strait or the EDWARD PEMBROKE built 1892 by A.McMillan & Son at Dumbarton which was renamed MAGNAT and wrecked there. I am a bit confused as to which of these was wrecked at Bass Strait. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia.

Subject: HONG KONG BASED SHIPPING COMPANIES Dear List - Does anyone know if any seamen's records similar to the pouches kept at TNA exist. In particular for the China Navigation Company ( The Swire Group ), the time frame is the early 1960's. Regards Peter in NZ.

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Hello everyone- I am researching the Hong Kong newspapers for they voyages of the ships that my GGG grandfather built and came across these deaths at sea from mariners in transit to Hong Kong. In case they are useful to anyone, here are some of my findings. Regards Rhonda *3 Feb 1874 Hong Kong Daily Mail* British bark* Challenge* left Sydney on 12 Dec 1873. The apprentice boy *Edward Lucas* was washed overboard, and not being able to swim, he was unfortunately drowned, as the ship was hove round and dogged over the place where he was last seen. *HK Daily Press 14 June 1869* The British Clipper bar* Parejero* from Liverpool on the 24th of February. While the bark was under closed reefed topsail, the mate was lost overboard. The unfortunate officer, Mr. *Samuel Williams* of St. John's New Brunswick, went on watch at midnight (2nd-3rd May) and about two o'clock on the morning of May 3rd, a heavy sea came over the vessel carrying away everything on the poop. Binnacle, companion hatchway, rails and boats. All hands immediately on deck, and the mate was found lying across the winch on deck. Mr. Williams expired shortly after being found, his skull being much fractured. Buried at sea. *HK Daily Press, 21 June 1869* The British ship *Sea Flowe*r, Captain Thomas from Cardiff 21st February reports as follows: On the 18th of April, at 8 AM when westward of the Cape, a seaman who shipped under the name of *James Gree*n fell from the fore top-sail-yard on deck and broke both his thighs; the unfortunate man survived the accident a week, and the died of lockjaw and was buried at seas. The deceased seaman shipped under the name of James Green, but his real name was *John Fleming*. He was a native of Tralee in Ireland. *HK Daily Press, 24 Dec 1868* The British bark* Lota*, from Liverpool on the 25th of July. On the November 3rd, Mrs. *Malvina Anna Barbe*r, wife of the captain (M.W. Barber) , died at sea, after an illness of five weeks, and was buried at sea on the same day.

Might someone be able to give me a little education ? My question is in regard of my old Grandfather who went out to India in 1807, under the license of the Court of Directors [of the East India Company] as a free mariner. During the first 10 to 15 years there, he Captained several different Ships, in the Country Trade, some only for one voyage. My curiosity is - how did a Ship-owner select a Captain & Crew - i.e. how did he 'get the job' ? Was it only through Newspaper advertisements or was there some regulating body ? His final 15 to 20 years out there, he continually Captained one Ship - but he owned shares in that Ship, so that is easier to understand. Might someone help me with my curiosity ? Barbara Neish Bermuda

Thanks Mick I sent your previous email in this regard to on of the ladies who is researching Robert evans from the Budget/Colombo. She has already engaged a researcher . I note from a reasonably new book oon the Meerchant Navy at our Genie rooms today. Crew lists transferred to local repositories (1863 to 1912) I photocopied them there were three pages. For the Liverpool registered Ships. The repository is Liverpool City Record Office. I have told Ellen that . I guess the more information you can gather that is less you have to rely on the researcheer for and hopefully cost less. The fees are huge per hour. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] COLOMBO with Belcher as Master, 1864 > Hi Edie > The Maritime History Archive have some crew information on 37096. > I don't know the rates, but you can order documents online from them. > > http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=37096 > > Mick > > Mariners List > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Edie McArthur > To: Irene Read ; MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:19 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] COLOMBO with Belcher as Master, 1864 > > > Thanks Irene. My friends are now engaging a researcher to look through > the > documents to see if they can find any Crew lists and agreements, pay due > etc > Edie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Edie The Maritime History Archive have some crew information on 37096. I don't know the rates, but you can order documents online from them. http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=37096 Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Edie McArthur To: Irene Read ; MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] COLOMBO with Belcher as Master, 1864 Thanks Irene. My friends are now engaging a researcher to look through the documents to see if they can find any Crew lists and agreements, pay due etc Edie

Thanks Irene. My friends are now engaging a researcher to look through the documents to see if they can find any Crew lists and agreements, pay due etc Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Read" <irene.read4@btopenworld.com> To: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com>; <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] COLOMBO with Belcher as Master, 1864 > The Laccadive Islands are about 100 miles off the Malabar Coast of India, > that is, the South West corner. It looks the sort of place that you might > hit if you were pushed off course by a cyclone whilst doing a little > coastal trade around India, perhaps Bombay to Colombo. > > Irene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> > > There was also this SS Colombo that was sent to me on Rootschat on the > same day. I do not knnow where Laccadive Islands were. >> > > This is a link about the SS Colombo, wrecked off the Laccadive Islands > > in > 1862 due to a severe cyclonic storm, there were no casualties. >> http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=8449 >> >> Kevin >> >> Perhaps she then made an outward trip from Bombay to Colombo and >> back to Bombay. Otherwise I can't see her still hanging aound India until >> October and I doubt she had time to make another round trip to England in >> the four months remaining to her. >> Adi >

Hi again, The two cousins whom my enquiries have been about, wish me to thankyou all for all of yor hard work. Many of you have gone to great lengths to help out and it is much appreciated. Edie in the skirt

Hi Alex. I had to laugh because so many people make the same mistake. I am the skirted variety Eddie is my brother. My lady friend is two cousins one who lives in the Uk and the other who is a membe of the same Genealogical Society as me. So many folk think I am male. One d is female two dd's is for eddie the male version. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex borgogno" <alex442@virgilio.it> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: [MAR] Budget/Columbus > Well, I guess this closes this Forum, thanks to David for the new > documentations, unless, of course, some one has found some additional > documents, we must now assume that the Liverpool clerck made an error in > the transcripion into the Register, or I did an error in hand-copying the > data from the Register (?). > It is still possible that the vessel was ordered to be named Bridget, but > then was registered as Budget, probably when the buyer was presented the > final bill. Ha! Ha! He must have had a great sense of Humour, if this was > the case. > Thanks to everyone for your imput, which was a real great show. Meanwhile > several members got busy finding newspapers entries for this vessels, > which add up to the files, both for me, for Edie and his Lady-friend. > Best to everyone and good wishes for your personal research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Laccadive Islands are about 100 miles off the Malabar Coast of India, that is, the South West corner. It looks the sort of place that you might hit if you were pushed off course by a cyclone whilst doing a little coastal trade around India, perhaps Bombay to Colombo. Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> > There was also this SS Colombo that was sent to me on Rootschat on the same day. I do not knnow where Laccadive Islands were. > > This is a link about the SS Colombo, wrecked off the Laccadive Islands in 1862 due to a severe cyclonic storm, there were no casualties. > http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=8449 > > Kevin > > Perhaps she then made an outward trip from Bombay to Colombo and > back to Bombay. Otherwise I can't see her still hanging aound India until > October and I doubt she had time to make another round trip to England in > the four months remaining to her. > Adi

There was also this SS Colombo that was sent to me on Rootschat on the same day. I do not knnow where Laccadive Islands were. Hi This is a link about the SS Colombo, wrecked off the Laccadive Islands in 1862 due to a severe cyclonic storm, there were no casualties. http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=8449 Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Mme_N_Carmichael To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Cc: Edie McArthur Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: COLOMBO with Belcher as Master, 1864 Hello Edie and List, Belcher is listed as master for her June 4 1864 arrival in Bombay. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VmxDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA529&dq=%22Colombo,+Belcher%22&hl=en&ei=t9wxTra5BaTy0gH-9MnfCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Colombo%2C%20Belcher%22&f=true Perhaps she then made an outward trip from Bombay to Colombo and back to Bombay. Otherwise I can't see her still hanging aound India until October and I doubt she had time to make another round trip to England in the four months remaining to her. Regards, Adi

Could be tht Robert Evans took her back to the UK. Would that happen though. Wnen Roberts last chid was born in 1862 his occupation was Mariner, Merchant Service. That was two years befre the 1864 cyclone. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: Mme_N_Carmichael To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Cc: Edie McArthur Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: COLOMBO with Belcher as Master, 1864 Hello Edie and List, Belcher is listed as master for her June 4 1864 arrival in Bombay. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VmxDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA529&dq=%22Colombo,+Belcher%22&hl=en&ei=t9wxTra5BaTy0gH-9MnfCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Colombo%2C%20Belcher%22&f=true Perhaps she then made an outward trip from Bombay to Colombo and back to Bombay. Otherwise I can't see her still hanging aound India until October and I doubt she had time to make another round trip to England in the four months remaining to her. Regards, Adi

Hi David, This is the first account I was sent from Rootschat. From all of the news accounts of the Colombo, she was never heard of again, so it must have sunk. I think the Bengal newspaper the "Englishman" may give some good accounts if anyone can get into there. Maybe about the other 174 vessels that were wreced or were sunk as well. this cyclone is very interesing. I was reading surviving Masters accounts last night from a book n line. One mentions seeing a birht Meteor in th sky jsut before and a family commented they had experienced an earthquake just before. The lull before the sorms were mentioned as it happened several time before the Storm Wave 30 to 40 ft high came. Spooky stuff. Now I know what the Calm before the Storm means. Edie The Bristol Mercury of Saturday October 7 1865: Birth, death, marriage notices. Deaths October 5, 1864 (so one year earlier?) , Captain Robert Evans, of the ship Colombo, of the port of Liverpool, which was lost in the cyclone at Calcutta on the above date. There is an earlier account which may be the same ship but that gives a date of 24 Feb 1865 ( I assume) and which says that the captain, carpenter and two seamen were washed overboard in a cyclone. That account said that the ship had stayed afloat, just but had lost just about everything on its deck and was close to sinking. Stu ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Asprey" <dasprey@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Colombo/Budget/Bridget > on 27 Jul 2011 Alex wrote: > > Up at this moment what we have, Marcil tells that this vessel was > contracted > in 1860 to be named Bridget, and was completed by 1861. It would shade > some > light if it was possible to learn who was the first contracted buyer. It > may > seem that the sale did not succeed, since we see the vessel calling at New > York as the Budget. > At this pont the vessel arrives at Liverpool, as Budget (?), and it is > registered as Colombo, the clerk registers the former name as the Bridget, > this may be because some document indicated the name the vessel was first > launched as Bridget. And this could be the only explanation I can thing > of. > However other documentations indicate the name as Budget, so we are two > documentations to three. > The Bengal book, confirms that the vessel was lost and the obvious date. > An entry from the Glasgow Herald ties (finally), the name of Evans as > master > of the lost Colombo, but gives exactly what the Lloyd's List gives:- ship > Colombo, no news. > So I think that more data can be found for this vessel, to help out with > the > dilemma Bridget/Budget, and our friend Edie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Today I had a chance to look out the original registration papers of ON > 37096 in the National Archives. These are the contemporary copies from > the > register books in Quebec and Liverpool which were sent to the Registrar > General (who was also the compiler of the Mercantile Navy List). We were > reminded earlier today that no documentary source can be assumed to be > completely error free - but this is what I found: > > The Quebec registration [ref BT 108/290 & 109/912] was clearly in the name > BUDGET - the name appears twice on the register transcript as well as on > some other papers: > > 933 tons 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0ft ship rigged > completed 8/5/1861 in Quebec (wood) [in the 1860s the builder was not > shown > on the transcripts] > 4/6/1861 registered at Quebec (No 15/1861) in name of Hyppolite Dubord, > Quebec, shipowner > 24/12/1863 sold at Liverpool to a foreign subject (after a mortgage had > been > discharged on 18/12/1863) > 11/1/1864 register closed as "sold to foreigner" > > The Liverpool registration [ref BT 108/81 & 109/78,86] gives her previous > name as BUDGET [that is what I would expect, as the Quebec registration > certificate would probably have been produced in Liverpool]: > > [technical description as above] > ex-foreign as COLOMBO and previously BUDGET (Quebec) > "sold foreign 5/5/1862 [this date looks odd] by Matthew J Wilson, attorney > for H Dubord, under certificate of sale of 13/6/1861" > 24/12/1863 registered at Liverpool (No 520/1863) in names of William > Thompson Dixon and Edward Williams Wynne, both Liverpool merchants, with > 28/64ths each, and William Henry Belcher, Cork, master mariner, with > 8/64ths. > 4/1/1866 register closed as "lost at Calcutta in October 1864" > > That's all from that source. > > > David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That is great David thankyou. it is becoming cleareer all of the time especially since it is mentioned she was lost at Calcutta 1864. So long as there is a reference to her as being called the Colombo, otherwise she could be any of the 175 vessels lost at Calcutta 1864. I can see why the ship was called the Budget if the sail had fallen through as the Bridget, because the budget wouldnt stretch enough to purchase her. Too expensive. Thanks Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Asprey" <dasprey@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Colombo/Budget/Bridget > on 27 Jul 2011 Alex wrote: > > Up at this moment what we have, Marcil tells that this vessel was > contracted > in 1860 to be named Bridget, and was completed by 1861. It would shade > some > light if it was possible to learn who was the first contracted buyer. It > may > seem that the sale did not succeed, since we see the vessel calling at New > York as the Budget. > At this pont the vessel arrives at Liverpool, as Budget (?), and it is > registered as Colombo, the clerk registers the former name as the Bridget, > this may be because some document indicated the name the vessel was first > launched as Bridget. And this could be the only explanation I can thing > of. > However other documentations indicate the name as Budget, so we are two > documentations to three. > The Bengal book, confirms that the vessel was lost and the obvious date. > An entry from the Glasgow Herald ties (finally), the name of Evans as > master > of the lost Colombo, but gives exactly what the Lloyd's List gives:- ship > Colombo, no news. > So I think that more data can be found for this vessel, to help out with > the > dilemma Bridget/Budget, and our friend Edie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Today I had a chance to look out the original registration papers of ON > 37096 in the National Archives. These are the contemporary copies from > the > register books in Quebec and Liverpool which were sent to the Registrar > General (who was also the compiler of the Mercantile Navy List). We were > reminded earlier today that no documentary source can be assumed to be > completely error free - but this is what I found: > > The Quebec registration [ref BT 108/290 & 109/912] was clearly in the name > BUDGET - the name appears twice on the register transcript as well as on > some other papers: > > 933 tons 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0ft ship rigged > completed 8/5/1861 in Quebec (wood) [in the 1860s the builder was not > shown > on the transcripts] > 4/6/1861 registered at Quebec (No 15/1861) in name of Hyppolite Dubord, > Quebec, shipowner > 24/12/1863 sold at Liverpool to a foreign subject (after a mortgage had > been > discharged on 18/12/1863) > 11/1/1864 register closed as "sold to foreigner" > > The Liverpool registration [ref BT 108/81 & 109/78,86] gives her previous > name as BUDGET [that is what I would expect, as the Quebec registration > certificate would probably have been produced in Liverpool]: > > [technical description as above] > ex-foreign as COLOMBO and previously BUDGET (Quebec) > "sold foreign 5/5/1862 [this date looks odd] by Matthew J Wilson, attorney > for H Dubord, under certificate of sale of 13/6/1861" > 24/12/1863 registered at Liverpool (No 520/1863) in names of William > Thompson Dixon and Edward Williams Wynne, both Liverpool merchants, with > 28/64ths each, and William Henry Belcher, Cork, master mariner, with > 8/64ths. > 4/1/1866 register closed as "lost at Calcutta in October 1864" > > That's all from that source. > > > David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, I guess this closes this Forum, thanks to David for the new documentations, unless, of course, some one has found some additional documents, we must now assume that the Liverpool clerck made an error in the transcripion into the Register, or I did an error in hand-copying the data from the Register (?). It is still possible that the vessel was ordered to be named Bridget, but then was registered as Budget, probably when the buyer was presented the final bill. Ha! Ha! He must have had a great sense of Humour, if this was the case. Thanks to everyone for your imput, which was a real great show. Meanwhile several members got busy finding newspapers entries for this vessels, which add up to the files, both for me, for Edie and his Lady-friend. Best to everyone and good wishes for your personal research.

on 27 Jul 2011 Alex wrote: Up at this moment what we have, Marcil tells that this vessel was contracted in 1860 to be named Bridget, and was completed by 1861. It would shade some light if it was possible to learn who was the first contracted buyer. It may seem that the sale did not succeed, since we see the vessel calling at New York as the Budget. At this pont the vessel arrives at Liverpool, as Budget (?), and it is registered as Colombo, the clerk registers the former name as the Bridget, this may be because some document indicated the name the vessel was first launched as Bridget. And this could be the only explanation I can thing of. However other documentations indicate the name as Budget, so we are two documentations to three. The Bengal book, confirms that the vessel was lost and the obvious date. An entry from the Glasgow Herald ties (finally), the name of Evans as master of the lost Colombo, but gives exactly what the Lloyd's List gives:- ship Colombo, no news. So I think that more data can be found for this vessel, to help out with the dilemma Bridget/Budget, and our friend Edie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today I had a chance to look out the original registration papers of ON 37096 in the National Archives. These are the contemporary copies from the register books in Quebec and Liverpool which were sent to the Registrar General (who was also the compiler of the Mercantile Navy List). We were reminded earlier today that no documentary source can be assumed to be completely error free - but this is what I found: The Quebec registration [ref BT 108/290 & 109/912] was clearly in the name BUDGET - the name appears twice on the register transcript as well as on some other papers: 933 tons 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0ft ship rigged completed 8/5/1861 in Quebec (wood) [in the 1860s the builder was not shown on the transcripts] 4/6/1861 registered at Quebec (No 15/1861) in name of Hyppolite Dubord, Quebec, shipowner 24/12/1863 sold at Liverpool to a foreign subject (after a mortgage had been discharged on 18/12/1863) 11/1/1864 register closed as "sold to foreigner" The Liverpool registration [ref BT 108/81 & 109/78,86] gives her previous name as BUDGET [that is what I would expect, as the Quebec registration certificate would probably have been produced in Liverpool]: [technical description as above] ex-foreign as COLOMBO and previously BUDGET (Quebec) "sold foreign 5/5/1862 [this date looks odd] by Matthew J Wilson, attorney for H Dubord, under certificate of sale of 13/6/1861" 24/12/1863 registered at Liverpool (No 520/1863) in names of William Thompson Dixon and Edward Williams Wynne, both Liverpool merchants, with 28/64ths each, and William Henry Belcher, Cork, master mariner, with 8/64ths. 4/1/1866 register closed as "lost at Calcutta in October 1864" That's all from that source. David

Dear Adi, I presume when you refer to "ENGLISH " seamen that in fact you really mean "BRITISH " seamen. Regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia, Scots by birth,British by law, Australian by choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:26 AM Subject: [MAR] Records? on English Seamen Hospitalized Ashore in ForeignCountries. Dear all, Concurrent with my other query about naval courts, I'm wondering where to look for records of injured English seamen left behind in foreign ports. This would have happened in Nov./Dec. of 1863 somewhere in the Eastern Mediterranean. Would it have been reported to the nearest Consul? That supposedly unlucky first mate turned out to be the only survivor of the ship which left him behind. Regards, Adi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message