Hello again Eunice,   Since WILLIAM NAIZBY is looking ever more probable for your great-grandfather, here are some more leads. Her Official Number is 47726. That will help you locate records for her e.g. at CLIP: http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/sourcesRO.php which in turn will lead you to several crew agreements at Memorial University in Newfoundland, of which you can buy copies. You can see samples of the type of information on those by clicking on the thumbnail images here: http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/crewlistforms_new.php     And ... your man got his 2nd Mate's certificate (#22935) in London in 1860, so having his Master's certificate by 1864 is pretty quick progress. http://books.google.ca/books?id=feoNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA144&dq=%22William+Webb+Defriez%22&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=true You'll find other editions of the Mercantile Navy List online at: http://collections.mun.ca/   Regards, Adi --- On Sat, 8/6/11, Eunice Donovan <eunice.donovan@bigpond.com> wrote: I've discovered the following information in the Index to the Captains Registers of Lloyd's of London, about my great-grandfather: DEFRIEZ, William Webb b.London 1838 C22935 London 1864 vol.4 1864-73; vol.18 1874-76; vol.31 no voyages listed

Hello Eunice,   A *possible* ship for him would be 463 ton WILLIAM NAISBY in 1870. I say only *possible* because there are no forenames in this source. A second email follows with an attachment. The attachment is a newspaper article and is legitimate. Sadly, the surname is one which probably endures many mis-spellings, so there may be other newspaper mentions which I have not found.   That ship is possibly the same one as in "VESSELS SPOKEN WITH" in the second attachment I will send you.   The third attachment is a mention of the WILLIAM NAIZBY with master Defries (see what I meant about spellings - smile?). There was a shipyard on the Wear owned by a William Naizby, so she was possibly named for the builder.   If this is indeed your man, there's a starting point for you. You can also try searching for him in the appropriate volumes of Lloyd's Register of Shipping here: http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html In the 1869 edition, master of WILLIAM NAIZBY is shown as W. Defriez. Having that first initial looks encouraging (and, she was built Sunderland by Naisby).   Regards, Adi   --- On Sat, 8/6/11, Eunice Donovan <eunice.donovan@bigpond.com> wrote: I've discovered the following information in the Index to the Captains Registers of Lloyd's of London, about my great-grandfather: DEFRIEZ, William Webb b.London 1838 C22935 London 1864 vol.4 1864-73; vol.18 1874-76; vol.31 no voyages listed

Thank You to the Listers who responded to my enquiry about Mark Ridley Baker, namely Peter, Jayne, Ron, Ray and Jocelyn. To some I have send my reply and others I will contact individually later at there is a variety of information was sent to me. Mary

Thankyou for this Jenny. I just did a surname search on the off chance as I research an unusual surname. Found a birth I have been looking for for ages. Pretty unexpected but very welcome. :) Regards Lyn In Oz. > -----Original Message----- > From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J. Fawcett > Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 3:12 PM > To: mariners-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Warrants Index - Ships travelling to East > India 1768 - 1826 > > I have donated my index of warrants (commissions, letters of > marque) issued to ships travelling to East India (1768-1826) > to FIBIS, www.new.fibis.org a

Able Bodied Seaman. Someone with usually three or four years practical experience at sea. -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tudor Owen Sent: 16 August 2011 16:44 To: 'mariners-l' Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren,voyage 1816-18 Dear List Members What does A.B. mean in maritime context? Tudor Owen -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Phillips Sent: 11 August 2011 12:38 To: Chris Maxworthy; mariners-l Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren,voyage 1816-18 Hi Chris, Thanks very much for all your help and your annotations below. As I said I am very ignorant of matters sailing! Is a line coiler a 'deckhand' who is responsible for coiling up the anchor ropes, sail ropes etc.? Is a boat steerer is someone who steered the boat out in the middle of an ocean and only had to worry about steering a constant course? If James was recorded as a mate in 1816 does that mean he was progressing up mariner's greasy pole'? Another quick question - do any of these job descriptions give a clue to his age? When I was over in England last year I went to TNA at Kew and I think I found the will for James Phillips but not a James Phillips from Middlesex. My James came from Pembrokshire in Wales and the beneficiary was noted as Diana - which I know to be his wife's name. I also found a petition to Trinity House in the London Archives that had a lot of detail about James's family which tied everything together really nicely. The big challenge I have is to find details of James's parents and his siblings and I was hoping something in all these shipping records would give me a clue. Thanks again for your help and also to Alex, Jenny and Julie for their help. I find it amazing how much knowledge you have all accumulated and your willingness to share it. Kind Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Maxworthy To: mariners-l Cc: Peter Phillips Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, voyage 1816-18 Peter Regarding your maritime ancestor James Phillips, mate of the Syren whaler. There is a Will at the TNA for a James Phillips, master mariner. Any chance this is your chap? Will of James Phillips, Master Mariner of Lucas Street, Commercial Road, Saint George , Middlesex 03 March 1817 ref: PROB 11/1590 If this is your chap then it implies that Probate was granted while the Syren was still on it's whaling voyage. I suppose it is possible, if say James drowned at the Cape Verde islands or Madeira on the outbound voyage, and news was passed via a returning ship. A copy of the Will should help answer this - only A$6. http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk Again, care of the Jones books, some other items on the career of a James Phillips are: 10 Dec 1798 - crew on the General Boyd whaler, capt Howes Swain. Phillips was line coiler. 30 April 1799 - whaler Aurora, capt Stephen Macey; again as line coiler. 16 Oct 1809 - whaler Charles, no capt named; served as Boat Steerer Also, the voyage of the Syren ended with its return to London on 4 Dec 1818 (LL 8.12.1818) CM On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Chris Maxworthy <cgmaxwor@gmail.com> wrote: Peter, I can help. The best reference for starting out on whaling voyages in the South Seas is A.G.E. Jones two books, Ships Employed on the South Seas Trade. Here's the ref to locate a Library near you that holds the two sets http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443 and http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956. "Mac" Jones packed a lot of information into the two books that were published by Roebuck Press, so it can take some time to gain the full value of his research. Here is a part of what I found in the shipping movements volume [with my translation in brackets]: 1816 29.3 Deal 26 Syren Christie to SS. [29 March 1816 issue of Lloyds List (LL) reports that the Syren, commanded by Christie, departed Deal for the South Seas (SS) three days earlier, on 26th] 1816 3.9. Syren to SS, all well, 14.5 x 3N. [3 Sept 1816 issue of LL - steering for the South Seas - the Syren is abeam of the Gulf of Guinea and about 200 miles SW of Sierra Leone] 1818 17.2. Sir Charles Price at Downs from Timor, sld, 16 Oct; left there Syren, Ranger, Ocean. Sir A. Hammond sld for England 10 days before Sir C. Price. [17 Feb 1818 issue of LL - The whaler Sir Charles Price, having arrived back from her voyage to the South Seas reported that the Syren and other whalers had been at Timor with her back in Oct 1817] A great source of LL Marine News is the digitized copies of LL performed by Michael Dun. go to http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/ Please note that AGE Jones also worked from the arrivals and departures intelligence in LL.. At this time this is not fully available in Michael's online resource - hence the possibility of Jones information not being locatable Michael's site. Other works of relevance are: John Cumpston's, Shipping arrivals and departures, Sydney, 1788-1825, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669 Robert Langdon; Where the whalers went : an index to the Pacific ports and islands visited by American whalers, and some other ships, in the 19th century, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681 Richards, Rhys (three books): Into the South Seas : the southern whale fishery comes of age on the Brazil Banks, 1765 to 1812 : a review of the whaling activities of American British, French, Spanish and Portuguese whalemen off Brazil and Patagonia before 1812, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824; Bay of Islands SAD [for NZ ship visits during 1803 to 1840's] http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094 ; and his more recent work Tahiti and the Society Islands : shipping arrivals and departures, 1767 to 1852, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183 I'm working on the edited publication of a sailor narrative who was a Mate and later Master of a whaler. Though he does not name the Siren he names other whalers that were in company with your ship of interest. I'm located in Sydney, so you can contact me offlist if you have any specific questions. regards Chris Maxworthy AAMH <SNIP> Peter wrote: Can anyone tell me what the best sources of information/references are available to research a whaler - The Syren. It was owned by C & S Enderby from London. Apart from any details on the ship itself, I am most interested in a voyage that left Portsmouth on Nov 25, 1817 under Capt. Christie to carry out whaling in the South Pacific off the Chilean coast. My GGGG Grandfather, James Phillips was a mate on this voyage but unfortunately drowned on the voyage. (Poetic justice???? - maybe but they where different times ) If anyone on the Mariners list can give me pointers to find out more information about the ship and James Phillips I would be most grateful. 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Dear List Members What does A.B. mean in maritime context? Tudor Owen -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Phillips Sent: 11 August 2011 12:38 To: Chris Maxworthy; mariners-l Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren,voyage 1816-18 Hi Chris, Thanks very much for all your help and your annotations below. As I said I am very ignorant of matters sailing! Is a line coiler a 'deckhand' who is responsible for coiling up the anchor ropes, sail ropes etc.? Is a boat steerer is someone who steered the boat out in the middle of an ocean and only had to worry about steering a constant course? If James was recorded as a mate in 1816 does that mean he was progressing up mariner's greasy pole'? Another quick question - do any of these job descriptions give a clue to his age? When I was over in England last year I went to TNA at Kew and I think I found the will for James Phillips but not a James Phillips from Middlesex. My James came from Pembrokshire in Wales and the beneficiary was noted as Diana - which I know to be his wife's name. I also found a petition to Trinity House in the London Archives that had a lot of detail about James's family which tied everything together really nicely. The big challenge I have is to find details of James's parents and his siblings and I was hoping something in all these shipping records would give me a clue. Thanks again for your help and also to Alex, Jenny and Julie for their help. I find it amazing how much knowledge you have all accumulated and your willingness to share it. Kind Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Maxworthy To: mariners-l Cc: Peter Phillips Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, voyage 1816-18 Peter Regarding your maritime ancestor James Phillips, mate of the Syren whaler. There is a Will at the TNA for a James Phillips, master mariner. Any chance this is your chap? Will of James Phillips, Master Mariner of Lucas Street, Commercial Road, Saint George , Middlesex 03 March 1817 ref: PROB 11/1590 If this is your chap then it implies that Probate was granted while the Syren was still on it's whaling voyage. I suppose it is possible, if say James drowned at the Cape Verde islands or Madeira on the outbound voyage, and news was passed via a returning ship. A copy of the Will should help answer this - only A$6. http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk Again, care of the Jones books, some other items on the career of a James Phillips are: 10 Dec 1798 - crew on the General Boyd whaler, capt Howes Swain. Phillips was line coiler. 30 April 1799 - whaler Aurora, capt Stephen Macey; again as line coiler. 16 Oct 1809 - whaler Charles, no capt named; served as Boat Steerer Also, the voyage of the Syren ended with its return to London on 4 Dec 1818 (LL 8.12.1818) CM On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Chris Maxworthy <cgmaxwor@gmail.com> wrote: Peter, I can help. The best reference for starting out on whaling voyages in the South Seas is A.G.E. Jones two books, Ships Employed on the South Seas Trade. Here's the ref to locate a Library near you that holds the two sets http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443 and http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956. "Mac" Jones packed a lot of information into the two books that were published by Roebuck Press, so it can take some time to gain the full value of his research. Here is a part of what I found in the shipping movements volume [with my translation in brackets]: 1816 29.3 Deal 26 Syren Christie to SS. [29 March 1816 issue of Lloyds List (LL) reports that the Syren, commanded by Christie, departed Deal for the South Seas (SS) three days earlier, on 26th] 1816 3.9. Syren to SS, all well, 14.5 x 3N. [3 Sept 1816 issue of LL - steering for the South Seas - the Syren is abeam of the Gulf of Guinea and about 200 miles SW of Sierra Leone] 1818 17.2. Sir Charles Price at Downs from Timor, sld, 16 Oct; left there Syren, Ranger, Ocean. Sir A. Hammond sld for England 10 days before Sir C. Price. [17 Feb 1818 issue of LL - The whaler Sir Charles Price, having arrived back from her voyage to the South Seas reported that the Syren and other whalers had been at Timor with her back in Oct 1817] A great source of LL Marine News is the digitized copies of LL performed by Michael Dun. go to http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/ Please note that AGE Jones also worked from the arrivals and departures intelligence in LL.. At this time this is not fully available in Michael's online resource - hence the possibility of Jones information not being locatable Michael's site. Other works of relevance are: John Cumpston's, Shipping arrivals and departures, Sydney, 1788-1825, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669 Robert Langdon; Where the whalers went : an index to the Pacific ports and islands visited by American whalers, and some other ships, in the 19th century, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681 Richards, Rhys (three books): Into the South Seas : the southern whale fishery comes of age on the Brazil Banks, 1765 to 1812 : a review of the whaling activities of American British, French, Spanish and Portuguese whalemen off Brazil and Patagonia before 1812, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824; Bay of Islands SAD [for NZ ship visits during 1803 to 1840's] http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094 ; and his more recent work Tahiti and the Society Islands : shipping arrivals and departures, 1767 to 1852, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183 I'm working on the edited publication of a sailor narrative who was a Mate and later Master of a whaler. Though he does not name the Siren he names other whalers that were in company with your ship of interest. I'm located in Sydney, so you can contact me offlist if you have any specific questions. regards Chris Maxworthy AAMH <SNIP> Peter wrote: Can anyone tell me what the best sources of information/references are available to research a whaler - The Syren. It was owned by C & S Enderby from London. Apart from any details on the ship itself, I am most interested in a voyage that left Portsmouth on Nov 25, 1817 under Capt. Christie to carry out whaling in the South Pacific off the Chilean coast. My GGGG Grandfather, James Phillips was a mate on this voyage but unfortunately drowned on the voyage. (Poetic justice???? - maybe but they where different times ) If anyone on the Mariners list can give me pointers to find out more information about the ship and James Phillips I would be most grateful. 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I have donated my index of warrants (commissions, letters of marque) issued to ships travelling to East India (1768-1826) to FIBIS, www.new.fibis.org and they can be seen online there in the Maritime – Other Records section. There are some 316 ships and their masters named. Hopefully it will be of some help to those searching that era of vessels. Original Warrants (Commissions) provides the ship’s name and that of her commander, its burthen and the number of men and guns on board. The first commission is dated 22nd Dec 1768 for the Duke of Grafton and the last (in this register) on the 22nd Dec 1827 for the Reliance. A number of the commissions were granted coincidental to the ships’ launch, most are unique (though some successive) and the all were recorded as ships excepting those couple noted as a snow or cutter. The commissions stretch from the reign of King George, through the Prince Regent’s monarchy to Queen Victoria’s. There are several examples (varying little in content) of the actual Commissions (instructions to the masters of the vessels). Commanders were instructed to secure enemy ports, seize their vessels, force them to yield and bring them back to a legal trial. They were to keep an exact journal of their undertaking, set down names of the pirates, officers and companies of the ships, the quantities of arms, ammunition, and provisions and laden, and provide a true value of the same. Especial care was to be taken of any official papers found on board. It was emphasised they not offend or injure “by colour or pretence” any British subjects, allies and friends, their ships or their possessions, and not to abuse their privilege. The 316 vessels named reflect 261,220t of shipping carrying 8475 guns and 31,719 men. The steady increase in the size of vessels indicates the changing needs in the sea trade, and the rising careers of the commanders (and often their obvious connections) can be seen. The commissions were issue to the commanders by Admiralty representatives who were purposely granted a Warrant for that process. Usually granted at the Court of St James the warrants were alike: ‘Warrant for affixing the Great Seal to (Two) Commissions for seizing of pyrates’ & ‘Warrant granted to (eg)Counsellor Charles Lord Camden, Baronet Camden Place, Chancellor of Great Britain, issued by HM command (signed eg) WEYMOUTH’. The commission went on to name the vessel, commander, and provided instructions. The original documents are held at TNA, England, in HO 118/1, and can be viewed there. cheers Jenny Fawcett

Yes Thomas is one of the eight younger sons mentioned near the bottom right of the Hodgson Tree. I found this tree almost by accident - I had spent an hour at the Society of Genealogists in between meetings in London researching some of my Yorkshire miners rather unsuccessfully so in my last few minutes I idly flicked through the volume and almost fell over when I saw the tree. I had found a number of the individuals already but it provided a great deal of further information and confirmed an amount of information from other sources. I believe it was prepared by JC Hodgson who wrote a number of the other volumes of the History of Northumberland. You may well be right about the Young connection. The Hodgsons also had marital and business links with the Watts who ran a shipping line, Joseph Hodgson, one of Thomas's elder brothers was in business with a Robert Soulsby. They ran Hodgson & Soulsby, Shipbuilders in Blyth which was later to become the Blyth Shibuilding Company. You have left me with plenty of leads to follow up -thankyou for all your help Best Regards Gavin On 13/08/2011 18:03, Peter Kirsopp wrote: > Looking at the Hodgson of Cowpen descent in the County History Vol IX, > I suppose your man Thomas is a grandson of Richard Hodgson of Plessey > 1756-1830. Richard's mother was Alice Young 1731-1821, don't know if > it connects. His brother Thomas married Margaret Simpson a minor > heiress of the Ovingham family abt 1782. A Hodgson from Ovingham > married the daughter of John Soulsby a shipowner in South Shields. > Business often followed family links in those days. Excuse me if you > know this already. > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin McLelland" > <gavin.mclelland@btinternet.com> > To: "Peter Kirsopp ; mariners@rootsweb.com" <peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MAR] (no subject) > > >> Peter, >> >> Thanks for the comprehensive reply. >> >> I hadn't thought to investigate Emanuel Young. >> >> And I've been meaning to get a copy of Walter Runcimans books so this >> will encourage more searches on ABE books. >> >> Thomas came from the Hodgsons of Hodgsons Lane/Road in Blyth and the >> operated, owned and built a number of ships, Thomas's brother went on >> to found a shipyard that later became the Blyth Shipbuilding Co. so >> they must have known Emanuel Young. >> >> Wonder why he got a poor deal on the pay? perhaps Young had a good >> reputation for teaching >> >> Thanks again >> >> Gavin >> >> >> >> >> >> On 09/08/2011 21:00, Peter Kirsopp wrote: >>> Sir Walter Runciman gives an account of the system in 'Before the Mast >>> and After'. He engaged to sail from Blyth as an apprentice at 12 yrs >>> without his parent's knowing and despite their subsequent attempt at >>> disuasion. He didn't stay with his first ship but served out his time >>> on others. The money is a bit on the low side. The system in Blyth was >>> for a commitee of the union to examine time served apprentices as able >>> seamen. Runciman also learnt navigation in his spare time with some >>> assistance from the officers, and sat for his certificate as mate, at >>> this time only required for foreign-going ships. >>> Emmanuel Young was a considerable shipowner of foreign-going ship so I >>> would not expect him to command his own ships, relying upon the >>> captains to give adequate training. Promising senior apprentices were >>> often appointed as uncertificated 2nd mate to keep the captain's >>> watch. Good owners sometimes sent boys to navigation training schools >>> in slack periods. >>> Peter >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin McLelland" >>> <gavin.mclelland@btinternet.com> >>> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:22 PM >>> Subject: [MAR] (no subject) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> List >>>> >>>> Through Ancestry I recently got in touch with a long lost cousin – we >>>> share a 3 x Great Grandfather – Thomas Hodgson who was from Blyth, >>>> Northumberland, UK. I knew that he was qualified master mariner but >>>> she has several original documents relating to his service in the >>>> merchant marine. >>>> >>>> First was his apprentice agreement: >>>> >>>> He signed it in early January 1852 when he was fifteen, his master >>>> Emanuel Young agreed to teach him to become a seaman over a period of >>>> 4 years. >>>> His pay was to be a total of 29 pounds over the 4 years 3 pounds for >>>> the first, 6 pounds for the second, 8 pounds for the third and 12 for >>>> the final year + 12 shillings extra each year for doing his own >>>> washing. >>>> >>>> Some Questions for the list: >>>> >>>> Thomas’s parents did not sign the document (I have a copy of a >>>> weavers apprenticeship agreement from another branch of the family >>>> which was signed by the apprentices father) was that unusual? Would it >>>> imply some breakdown in family relations? >>>> >>>> Was the amount paid typical for the period? >>>> >>>> Whilst the agreement said that he was to be taught to be only to be a >>>> seaman Thomas qualified as a Master Mariner in 1859 about three years >>>> after the apprenticeship finished and claimed whilst giving evidence >>>> in a trial at the Old Bailey that he first sailed as 2ndMate in 1853 >>>> when he was 16 and whilst he was still an apprentice. So was the aim >>>> of the apprenticeship to train him as a merchant officer rather than >>>> as ordinary seaman as the text of the apprenticeship agreement >>>> implies? >>>> >>>> He obviously had good relations with his master as his 2nd son, my >>>> Great Great Grandfather, Thomas Emanuel Hodgson was named after him. >>>> >>>> Many thanks in anticipation >>>> Gavin >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> > >

Hi Mardell, Try searcher@searcher-na.co.uk Regards Bill On Aug 15, 2011, at 21:54, TRAVIS GITCHEL wrote: Dear Listers, I wrote to Bob O'Hara using the email address : searcher@searcher.na.co.uk It came back to me. Is there something missing in the address? I really do want to contact him. Thank you Mardell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers,         I wrote to Bob O'Hara using the email address :    searcher@searcher.na.co.uk     It came back to me. Is there something missing in the address? I really do want to contact him. Thank you     Mardell

Hi Marco, I am sending you [off list] a photo of TWIGA from my collection,hope it is of interest,Ted has kindly filled you in onthe history of the ship. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Errigo" <maerrigo@yahoo.com> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: [MAR] Info about Twiga > Hi to all of the Mariners... > I'm lookin for informations regarding a ship called TWIGA ex LINDA > CLAUSEN (a danish ship) wrecked near messina - Italy in1969. I also would > like to know if there is a danish archive of plans, photos, records etc! > thanks to all! > Marco > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, I see your original posting came in while I was away earlier in the month and although I spotted it later it is in you passing on Peter's comments that I add my own about the local geography. It sounds as though you may be fairly local and may already know this, but it may be of general interest to the List. In 1851 Middlesbrough was still in its infancy as a new town, developing from 1830. It was not incorporated as a borough (with only one "o" in the actual town name) until 1853. Until about then the town was growing "across the border" as we call it, north of the railway. It seems expansion south of the railway started in the early 1850s, including Dundas Street, now the site of the Dundas Arcade (shops), only a couple of hundred yards from the railway station, and well within a mile of Middlesbrough Dock which had opened in 1842. There would be many riverside berths within the same radius. You may find something in archived newspapers and if you do live nearby the Teesside Archives in Marton Road (the old post office near the railway station end) may also hold some records. All I can do, however, is wish you luck with your search - you will probably need it! Ron Mapplebeck (Middlesbrough - UK) **** On 12/08/2011 19:24, D M STORRY wrote: > To Peter Kirsopp. > > Thank you for your reply to my query, I will try Middlesbrough Newspapers. > > Mary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Kirsopp<peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> > To: dms<dms@dmstorry.force9.co.uk> > Sent: 04 August 2011 15:37 > Subject: Re: [MAR] Mark Ridley BAKER > >> It sounds as though his career was in the short distance trades, mostly >> colliers in this area. Middlesborough is an easy train ride from several >> possible loading ports. Possibly it was where his wife was at home rather >> than him. He probaly got his start on a Whitby owned ship but sailing from >> any port where coal cargoes offered, hence the Sunderland call..Employment >> was often obtained initially through local or family connections. If he >> made it to Master perhaps local newspapers might add his name to that of a >> ship in the shipping news. Some crew lists can be searched from the Clip >> project on www.findmypast.com >> Peter >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "dms"<dms@dmstorry.force9.co.uk> >> To:<mariners-l@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM >> Subject: [MAR] Mark Ridley BAKER >> >> >>> Hello Listers >>> >>> My problem is how can I find out the name if the ship or ships that my >>> great grandfather Mark Ridley Baker sailed on. On his Seaman's Ticket > it >>> states that he was born at Robin Hood's Bay , 11th July 1828 when >>> unemployed resides at Whitby. He first went to sea as an Apprentice 20 >>> December 1843. Ticket issued at Sunderland 6 day of May 1845. The > years >>> 1949 and 1850 are blank. In 1951 he was a Seaman in June and a Mate > in >>> December. I have been unable to finding anything more about him until >>> the following Censuses. >>> >>> On the 1851 Census he is lodging at a house in Middlesbrough, North >>> Yorkshire. He married in 1852 and on the 1861 Census he is with his > wife >>> and 3 sons at 28 Dundas Street, Middlesbrough >>> >>> Does this mean that the ship/ships he was on is/are in Harbour at >>> Middlesbrough? >>> >>> Looking forward to knowing any comments about this enquiry. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Another such Master Mariner was my late uncle, Derrick de Neumann, who became Commodore of Strick's, and when they were taken over, Commodore of P&O. Passing through Aden, on the way home from Australia, he was asked to carry home the body of an army Major. Passaging the Suez Canal the smell became quite noticeable, so he had all the passengers taken off the ship for a trip ashore, whilst he and the crew emptied one of the freezer compartments of food, and then placed the corpse therein. In the North Atlantic on another trip, they stood-by and then rescued the crew of a deep-sea trawler as it sank. On yet another occasion when a crew member had his forehead gashed in an accident my uncle sewed up the wound, and was later complemented by a surgeon who saw it at a hospital on his skills at sewing! Once when they had a valuable stallion horse on board, they noticed that the horse seemed ill and that there had been no droppings for a few days, so my uncle decided to try to give it an enema. But he had to come up with a means to do it. He decided to try a stirrup pump, but it was not a success and the horse died. Bernard de Neumann -------Original Message------- From: Peter Monks Date: 08/12/11 12:30:06 To: Gordon Shank; MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Characteristics of a Master Mariner Greetings, Perhaps a glimpse of one gentleman might help? Robert Karl Miethe rounded Cape Horn forty-two times, and was alive at age of 97 in 1974. He suffered injury during a storm whilst a master. A broken collarbone, one kneecap dislocated, and was gashed severely on the head. He supervised the setting and strapping of his shoulder, ordered the mate to knock back the kneecap with a belaying pin, and sew up the scalp. "Pinch the sides together and sew like a sailmaker". Twenty-four stitches later he returned to the deck to take charge. Peter On 2011-08-11, at 2:03 PM, "Gordon Shank" <gdshank@comcast.net> wrote: > Appreciating the generalization of the question I nevertheless was > interested in anyone's perspective as to the capabilities of a Master > Mariner during the 19th century. > > > > As close as I can determine my gg grandfather was a Sea Captain/Master > Mariner for 50+ years from the 1830's through the 1880's. > > > > His cargo often consisted of coal, pig iron, timber, sugar or molasses. On > many voyages he transported immigrants from the UK to Australia, New > Zealand, Canada or the United States. A few of his other more frequent > destinations included India, the Philippines, Singapore, Malta, Antigua, > Trinidad, Barbados, Brazil and Cuba. > > > > Other than a good working knowledge of the sea and sailing ships I suspect > MM's needed to be excellent leaders of men and capable of managing the > commercial aspects of these voyages. > > > > I would love to hear others' opinions on the topic. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marco, 1,609 gross tons, length 79.9m x beam 11.0m, built 1945 by Svendborg Skibs, Svendborg as the LINDA CLAUSEN for C. Clausen, Esbjerg, 1950 sold to Det Forenede D/S A/S, Odense renamed DIANA, 1965 sold to V. Makris, Piraeus, 1967 renamed TWIGA, 13th May 1968 caught fire in position 38.27N 16.35E and sank at Messina on 10th Feb.1969. She was on voyage Setubal to Venice with a cargo of wood pulp. From "Modern Shipping Disasters" by Norman Hooke - While on voyage from Setubal to Venice with a cargo of wood pulp, the Greek steamship TWIGA had an outbreak of fire in holds 1 & 2 during the early hours of May 13th 1968 when off Reggio Calabria. The Master deliberately beached his vessel 60 miles from Reggio at Monasterace near Punta Stilo in an effort to save her. All the crew reached the safety of the beach. Still smouldering and heavily fire damaged, the TWIGA was refloated two days later by two tugs which both attempted to extinguish the fire by flooding the holds and engine room. They towed her to an anchorage outside Messina harbour on May 17th, still on fire and too hot to board. She lay there as a burnt out hulk until she sank on 10th Feb.1969. There is a good photo of her as the DIANA in the book DFDS 1886-1991 by Soren Thorsoe, ISBN 87-980030-0-3 regards Ted On 13/08/2011 00:34, Marco Errigo wrote: > Hi to all of the Mariners... > I'm lookin for informations regarding a ship called TWIGA ex LINDA CLAUSEN (a danish ship) wrecked near messina - Italy in1969. I also would like to know if there is a danish archive of plans, photos, records etc! > thanks to all! > Marco > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The SULLAMANY, owned by Haji Seroo bin Yacoob, allegedly of Bombay (although he claimed to have moved his domicile), figured in Vice Admiralty Court proceedings in 1817. Seroo was found guilty of having brought fourteen slaves indirectly from Africa under a British flag. ("The Bombay Country Ships" - Anne Bulley). This may be the same ship of 679 tons owned by Hajee Suroor bin Yacoote of Muscat recorded as being used as a troop transport to the Red Sea in 1801/2. See (page 306): http://books.google.com/books?id=O91AAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA307&dq=SULLAMANY+ship+slaves+favourite&hl=en&ei=GK1FTvHTAo3LmAXh3JCABw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-preview-link&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=SULLAMANY%20ship%20slaves%20favourite&f=false Peter Beeston -----Original Message----- From: J. Fawcett Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 8:40 PM To: mariners-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Sulaimani I would appreciate hearing from anyone who can anyone tell me anything about the SULAIMANI . All I have is that she was a “country ship” sailing under British pass and colours in 1816 when detained in the Persian Gulf by HMS Favourite for having slaves on board for sale at Basra. with thanks Jenny Fawcett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yikes! He was one tough cookie Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Monks" <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> To: "Gordon Shank" <gdshank@comcast.net>; <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Characteristics of a Master Mariner > Greetings, > > Perhaps a glimpse of one gentleman might help? Robert Karl Miethe rounded > Cape Horn forty-two times, and was alive at age of 97 in 1974. He > suffered injury during a storm whilst a master. A broken collarbone, one > kneecap dislocated, and was gashed severely on the head. He supervised > the setting and strapping of his shoulder, ordered the mate to knock back > the kneecap with a belaying pin, and sew up the scalp. "Pinch the sides > together and sew like a sailmaker". Twenty-four stitches later he > returned to the deck to take charge. > > Peter > > > > On 2011-08-11, at 2:03 PM, "Gordon Shank" <gdshank@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Appreciating the generalization of the question I nevertheless was >> interested in anyone's perspective as to the capabilities of a Master >> Mariner during the 19th century. >> >> >> >> As close as I can determine my gg grandfather was a Sea Captain/Master >> Mariner for 50+ years from the 1830's through the 1880's. >> >> >> >> His cargo often consisted of coal, pig iron, timber, sugar or molasses. >> On >> many voyages he transported immigrants from the UK to Australia, New >> Zealand, Canada or the United States. A few of his other more frequent >> destinations included India, the Philippines, Singapore, Malta, Antigua, >> Trinidad, Barbados, Brazil and Cuba. >> >> >> >> Other than a good working knowledge of the sea and sailing ships I >> suspect >> MM's needed to be excellent leaders of men and capable of managing the >> commercial aspects of these voyages. >> >> >> >> I would love to hear others' opinions on the topic. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi to all of the Mariners... I'm lookin for informations regarding a ship called TWIGA ex LINDA CLAUSEN (a danish ship) wrecked near messina - Italy in1969. I also would like to know if there is a danish archive of plans, photos, records etc! thanks to all! Marco > > > > > > > > > > > >

I would appreciate hearing from anyone who can anyone tell me anything about the SULAIMANI . All I have is that she was a “country ship” sailing under British pass and colours in 1816 when detained in the Persian Gulf by HMS Favourite for having slaves on board for sale at Basra. with thanks Jenny Fawcett

To Peter Kirsopp. Thank you for your reply to my query, I will try Middlesbrough Newspapers. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Kirsopp <peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> To: dms <dms@dmstorry.force9.co.uk> Sent: 04 August 2011 15:37 Subject: Re: [MAR] Mark Ridley BAKER > It sounds as though his career was in the short distance trades, mostly > colliers in this area. Middlesborough is an easy train ride from several > possible loading ports. Possibly it was where his wife was at home rather > than him. He probaly got his start on a Whitby owned ship but sailing from > any port where coal cargoes offered, hence the Sunderland call..Employment > was often obtained initially through local or family connections. If he > made it to Master perhaps local newspapers might add his name to that of a > ship in the shipping news. Some crew lists can be searched from the Clip > project on www.findmypast.com > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dms" <dms@dmstorry.force9.co.uk> > To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:43 PM > Subject: [MAR] Mark Ridley BAKER > > > > Hello Listers > > > > My problem is how can I find out the name if the ship or ships that my > > great grandfather Mark Ridley Baker sailed on. On his Seaman's Ticket it > > states that he was born at Robin Hood's Bay , 11th July 1828 when > > unemployed resides at Whitby. He first went to sea as an Apprentice 20 > > December 1843. Ticket issued at Sunderland 6 day of May 1845. The years > > 1949 and 1850 are blank. In 1951 he was a Seaman in June and a Mate in > > December. I have been unable to finding anything more about him until > > the following Censuses. > > > > On the 1851 Census he is lodging at a house in Middlesbrough, North > > Yorkshire. He married in 1852 and on the 1861 Census he is with his wife > > and 3 sons at 28 Dundas Street, Middlesbrough > > > > Does this mean that the ship/ships he was on is/are in Harbour at > > Middlesbrough? > > > > Looking forward to knowing any comments about this enquiry. > > > > Mary > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

El Militar (Spain) might be of some interest to some on the list (1846-48) http://bdh.bne.es/bnesearch/HemerotecaSearch.do?numfields=1&field1=pidpadre&field1val=0000000832&field1Op=AND&anhoH=1846&advanced=true&showYearItems=true&abreviada=true&fillForm=false&sort=anho