Ted, So pleased you have found the answer. Posting this to Mariners for completeness (and to assist any future research). Ron **** On 22/08/2011 10:46, Ted Nutt wrote: > Morning Ron,thanks the e-mail,have been able to glean some more info on > the Sandsend,after several other Spanish owners she was renamed Merche > in 1923,and was lost 09.11.1923 near Cape Sin,o.v.Las palmas-Gibraltar. > Ted. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Mapplebeck" > <ron.mapplebeck1@virgin.net> > To: "Ted Nutt" <h.nutt1@ntlworld.com> > Cc: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sandsend > > >> Mick's answer suggests there may be another slight mystery here! >> >> According to: http://www.teesbuiltships.co.uk/dentongray/sandsend1869.htm >> she was sold foreign in 1908 (is that from where CLIP get the notation >> register closed?) >> and then carried the two later names mentioned by Ted. >> >> I think this data will be accurate as she started life as owned >> locally in West Hartlepool by Pyman, and ships of that company have >> been fairly well researched by local ship enthusiasts. >> >> However, neither Teesbuilt nor Miramar (which does not show subsequent >> history) have details of her eventual fate, so I'm hopeful a Lister >> can supply fuller information. >> >> Ron Mapplebeck (Middlesbrough, UK) >> *** >> On 19/08/2011 08:19, Ted Nutt wrote: >>> Morning,trying to trace the ownership of the s.s.Sandsend after >>> 1900;built in 1869 by Denton Gray. >>> 1900,Owned by East Steel S.S.Co,Sunderland.(J.H.Pearson,mgr) >>> ?? ,Sold to Montevideo owners Re Bedeo >>> ?? ,Sold to Spanish owners Re Lucero >>> Many thanks,Ted >>> Howard D Nutt >>> 17 Burnthill Crescent >>> Newtownabbey >>> BT36 5AE >>> Phone 02890879791 >>> Mobile07974683388 >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >

I would like to repeat a question I put to the list a few years ago: Does anyone know of a list of names of surviving crew of the 'City of Benares'? I have lists of passengers who survived, passengers who died and crew who died but not crew who survived. David

Hello Eunice,   Do you have his fate? I ask because I have a report of a Captain Defries, pilot at Falmouth(20 miles away from Montego Bay), Jamaica, drowned 10 December 1880 in an attempt to rescue the crew of the British barque FONTABELLA.   Regards, Adi --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Eunice Donovan <eunice.donovan@bigpond.com> wrote: I've also discovered that he "retired" to Jamaica, and became a Master Pilot at Montego Bay.

Greetings to the List, I am in need of a sketch, painting or print of the Continental frigate 'Deane' which was built at Nantes France and brought to the U.S. in May of 1778...to be prepared for sea. I believe she was renamed "Hague" in September 1782. If anyone can direct me to such .....I would appreciate it very much.....and I wish to thank you in advance for your time and effort. Enjoy your Day -- Bud & R.J....We Wish You Well MY BLOG FOR NAVAL ARTICLES MY MERCHANT SHIP HISTORY SITE

Ted finch has her listed in his Fleet List for Pyman, only up to her sale in 1888 to East Steel S.S.Co http://www.mariners-list.com/site_pages.php?section=Shipping+Companies&category=British&page_name=George+Pyman+ Clip takes this info from BT 110/ which shows her register was closed 1908, this only indicates that she left the British Register at this point ( name change would not effect her O.N). She is not in the subsequent Mercantile Navy Lists. Later editions of Lloyds or the Schell Registers might throw up something. Mick Mariners List ---- Original Message ----- From: Ted Nutt To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:19 AM

Mick's answer suggests there may be another slight mystery here! According to: http://www.teesbuiltships.co.uk/dentongray/sandsend1869.htm she was sold foreign in 1908 (is that from where CLIP get the notation register closed?) and then carried the two later names mentioned by Ted. I think this data will be accurate as she started life as owned locally in West Hartlepool by Pyman, and ships of that company have been fairly well researched by local ship enthusiasts. However, neither Teesbuilt nor Miramar (which does not show subsequent history) have details of her eventual fate, so I'm hopeful a Lister can supply fuller information. Ron Mapplebeck (Middlesbrough, UK) *** On 19/08/2011 08:19, Ted Nutt wrote: > Morning,trying to trace the ownership of the s.s.Sandsend after 1900;built in 1869 by Denton Gray. > 1900,Owned by East Steel S.S.Co,Sunderland.(J.H.Pearson,mgr) > ?? ,Sold to Montevideo owners Re Bedeo > ?? ,Sold to Spanish owners Re Lucero > Many thanks,Ted > Howard D Nutt > 17 Burnthill Crescent > Newtownabbey > BT36 5AE > Phone 02890879791 > Mobile07974683388 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ted MNL 1904 and 07 list her as still owned by East Steel S.S.Co Clip says her Register was closed 1908 Mick Mariners List - Original Message ----- From: Ted Nutt To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:19 AM Subject: [MAR] Sandsend

Morning,trying to trace the ownership of the s.s.Sandsend after 1900;built in 1869 by Denton Gray. 1900,Owned by East Steel S.S.Co,Sunderland.(J.H.Pearson,mgr) ?? ,Sold to Montevideo owners Re Bedeo ?? ,Sold to Spanish owners Re Lucero Many thanks,Ted Howard D Nutt 17 Burnthill Crescent Newtownabbey BT36 5AE Phone 02890879791 Mobile07974683388

hi Anne Are you sure of the dates. The US and Britain were not in conflict - and the only legitimate prize taking is if the Hope was running the RN blockade of France (which England was at war with since 1793). A check of the TNA Catalogue under High Court of Admiralty (HCA) does not bring up your ship or master. (but there is a Farley who was commanding a ship Hope that was captured in 1795: HCA 42/248/608 Ship: Hope Master: Farley<http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-1017997&CATLN=7&Highlight=%2CHOPE&accessmethod=0> ) Sure it wasn't Farley? cheers chris Anne wrote: Sometime between late 1794 and 1796, Nathan Haley, an American captain of the ship Hope, which sailed from New York about the 1st of November, 1794, was captured and taken to Britain. By 1796, he was freed or had escaped. Can anyone please direct me as to where to find information about his capture? Thank you, Anne

Adi - THANK YOU for the time you've obviously put in to searching these items out for me; I'm stunned at your generosity! It certainly is "my" man :-) I've been in touch with the Maritime History Archive at Newfoundland, and they are doing a search for me, based on the William Naisby/Naizby. It seems he was Master of that vessel between 1867 and 1876. I've also discovered that he "retired" to Jamaica, and became a Master Pilot at Montego Bay. It's just amazing to think about the nautical miles these ships and their crews covered during their sea-years. I'm in awe of them. In the articles you've sent me, do you know what the phrase "vessels spoken with" means? Was there some kind of communication between vessels as they passed each other? Or is it a more official kind of speaking-to? Thank you again so very much for your help; it's truly appreciated! Many kind regards Eunice Eunice Donovan Queensland, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Mme_N_Carmichael To: Eunice Donovan Cc: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Master Mariner details Hello Eunice, A *possible* ship for him would be 463 ton WILLIAM NAISBY in 1870. I say only *possible* because there are no forenames in this source. A second email follows with an attachment. The attachment is a newspaper article and is legitimate. Sadly, the surname is one which probably endures many mis-spellings, so there may be other newspaper mentions which I have not found. That ship is possibly the same one as in "VESSELS SPOKEN WITH" in the second attachment I will send you. The third attachment is a mention of the WILLIAM NAIZBY with master Defries (see what I meant about spellings - smile?). There was a shipyard on the Wear owned by a William Naizby, so she was possibly named for the builder. If this is indeed your man, there's a starting point for you. You can also try searching for him in the appropriate volumes of Lloyd's Register of Shipping here: http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html In the 1869 edition, master of WILLIAM NAIZBY is shown as W. Defriez. Having that first initial looks encouraging (and, she was built Sunderland by Naisby). Regards, Adi --- On Sat, 8/6/11, Eunice Donovan <eunice.donovan@bigpond.com> wrote: I've discovered the following information in the Index to the Captains Registers of Lloyd's of London, about my great-grandfather: DEFRIEZ, William Webb b.London 1838 C22935 London 1864 vol.4 1864-73; vol.18 1874-76; vol.31 no voyages listed

http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/Volturno.html Jane > I've found two Dutch-language articles describing the arrival in Rotterdam > of five children rescued from SS Volturno by SS Devonian and who were > landed at Liverpool. In one article the boat and/or line is described as > the "Glasgowboot" (Glasgow boat) and in the other, the boat is described > as the "Grimsby-boot" (Grimsby boat). I doubt the children would have > sailed from Glasgow, and Grimsby seems to be on the other side of England > from Liverpool. Any thoughts on what service this might be? > > Thank you, > Andy Baker > http://fireontheocean.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ted I struggle with the notion that he was an IOW Pilot. Prior to October 1988 any candidate for a Trinity House license (the IOW was administered by TH) was required to be British born of British parents, hold a British or Commonwealth Master FG certificate, have 8 years watch-keeping experience, preferably to have been Chief Officer of a substantial ship or Master of a ship in regular trade to the District, and be under the age of 35. I commenced 'tripping' in Nov 1979 at the age of 31 (birthday on the 14th) and licensed in May 1980, ostensibly the youngest pilot in the London District for 30 years. Rgds Andy Adams In a message dated 17/08/2011 09:27:20 GMT Daylight Time, mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk writes: Forwarded from *mr.r@hetnet.nl <mailto:mr.r@hetnet.nl>** Can anyone please help Rolf?* -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Search Captain Piet Dammer from Liverpool Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:36:29 +0200 From: RR <iceland@hetnet.nl> To: <mariners-L@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> Good evening , I am looking for a captain of Ship company HSM in The Netherlands. His name is Piet Dammer. Official: Pieter Johannes Dammer 28.08.1929 Amsterdam -- he died in 1989 Liverpool (England) HSM then Nedlloyd and for several years he was a pilot at the Isle of Wight. Could you give me any information where I could find any information about him? Thank you very much. Regards, Rolf Roemers Mail: mr.r@hetnet.nl <mailto:mr.r@hetnet.nl> The Netherlands ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Andy, There was a direct rail link between Grimsby and Liverpool which was frequently used by European emigrants to America. The Great Central Railway Co operated passenger shipping services between Grimsby - Hamburg, Rotterdam and Antwerp at the time. Fleet list at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/feeders.html regards Ted On 17/08/2011 12:58, Andrew Baker wrote: > I should have included a timeframe in my question. The events took place in October 1913. Might be helpful. :) > > Thank you, > Andy Baker > http://fireontheocean.com > > On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Andrew Baker<bellhalla@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've found two Dutch-language articles describing the arrival in Rotterdam of five children rescued from SS Volturno by SS Devonian and who were landed at Liverpool. In one article the boat and/or line is described as the "Glasgowboot" (Glasgow boat) and in the other, the boat is described as the "Grimsby-boot" (Grimsby boat). I doubt the children would have sailed from Glasgow, and Grimsby seems to be on the other side of England from Liverpool. Any thoughts on what service this might be? >> >> Thank you, >> Andy Baker >> http://fireontheocean.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

http://books.google.com/books?id=YztHAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA7-PA31&lpg=RA7-PA31&dq=%22+Nathan+Haley%22+AND+ship+captain&source=bl&ots=PbjhI2ehR6&sig=r9RR1KipyOoQu0LG3ZJKhXJkixc&hl=en&ei=8wBMTobwOq3EsQLz0-G_CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22%20Nathan%20Haley%22%20AND%20ship%20captain&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=k-oVFwedjD4C&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=%22+Nathan+Haley%22+AND+ship+captain&source=bl&ots=Wy3V8LBYdl&sig=rABpavkNqX_476g_5xwFRDL_kiE&hl=en&ei=ewFMTuusMeSLsgKK-8y-CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22%20Nathan%20Haley%22%20AND%20ship%20captain&f=false I just googled it and came up with a slight variation in the name of the ship. Could this be the right one and your information incorrect? Just a guess- Sue Also, if you go onto a newspaper abstract site you might find information. I have found quite a bit about NYC ship captains that way.

Ted, Thanks for the info! Looking at the link and cross-referencing ship arrivals in Dutch newspapers around the date they arrived, I believe the ship they traveled on was the Lutterworth. (Ain't the Internet a wonderful thing!) Thank you, Andy Baker http://fireontheocean.com On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Ted Finch <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Andy, > > There was a direct rail link between Grimsby and Liverpool which was frequently used by European emigrants to America. The Great Central Railway Co operated passenger shipping services between Grimsby - Hamburg, Rotterdam and Antwerp at the time. Fleet list at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/feeders.html > > regards > Ted > > > On 17/08/2011 12:58, Andrew Baker wrote: >> I should have included a timeframe in my question. The events took place in October 1913. Might be helpful. :) >> >> Thank you, >> Andy Baker >> http://fireontheocean.com >> >> On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Andrew Baker<bellhalla@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I've found two Dutch-language articles describing the arrival in Rotterdam of five children rescued from SS Volturno by SS Devonian and who were landed at Liverpool. In one article the boat and/or line is described as the "Glasgowboot" (Glasgow boat) and in the other, the boat is described as the "Grimsby-boot" (Grimsby boat). I doubt the children would have sailed from Glasgow, and Grimsby seems to be on the other side of England from Liverpool. Any thoughts on what service this might be? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Andy Baker >>> http://fireontheocean.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >

Forwarded from *mr.r@hetnet.nl <mailto:mr.r@hetnet.nl>** Can anyone please help Rolf?* -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Search Captain Piet Dammer from Liverpool Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:36:29 +0200 From: RR <iceland@hetnet.nl> To: <mariners-L@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> Good evening , I am looking for a captain of Ship company HSM in The Netherlands. His name is Piet Dammer. Official: Pieter Johannes Dammer 28.08.1929 Amsterdam -- he died in 1989 Liverpool (England) HSM then Nedlloyd and for several years he was a pilot at the Isle of Wight. Could you give me any information where I could find any information about him? Thank you very much. Regards, Rolf Roemers Mail: mr.r@hetnet.nl <mailto:mr.r@hetnet.nl> The Netherlands

I should have included a timeframe in my question. The events took place in October 1913. Might be helpful. :) Thank you, Andy Baker http://fireontheocean.com On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Andrew Baker <bellhalla@gmail.com> wrote: > I've found two Dutch-language articles describing the arrival in Rotterdam of five children rescued from SS Volturno by SS Devonian and who were landed at Liverpool. In one article the boat and/or line is described as the "Glasgowboot" (Glasgow boat) and in the other, the boat is described as the "Grimsby-boot" (Grimsby boat). I doubt the children would have sailed from Glasgow, and Grimsby seems to be on the other side of England from Liverpool. Any thoughts on what service this might be? > > Thank you, > Andy Baker > http://fireontheocean.com

Hello Eunice,   There was discussion of that on here not so long ago. Have a look here in the Archives at posts headed "overdue ship Eliza": http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/Mariners/2011-02   Regards, Adi --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Eunice Donovan <eunice.donovan@bigpond.com> wrote:  In the articles you've sent me, do you know what the phrase "vessels spoken with" means?  Was there some kind of communication between vessels as they passed each other?  Or is it a more official kind of speaking-to?

I've found two Dutch-language articles describing the arrival in Rotterdam of five children rescued from SS Volturno by SS Devonian and who were landed at Liverpool. In one article the boat and/or line is described as the "Glasgowboot" (Glasgow boat) and in the other, the boat is described as the "Grimsby-boot" (Grimsby boat). I doubt the children would have sailed from Glasgow, and Grimsby seems to be on the other side of England from Liverpool. Any thoughts on what service this might be? Thank you, Andy Baker http://fireontheocean.com

Sometime between late 1794 and 1796, Nathan Haley, an American captain of the ship Hope, which sailed from New York about the 1st of November, 1794, was captured and taken to Britain. By 1796, he was freed or had escaped. Can anyone please direct me as to where to find information about his capture? Thank you, Anne