May I please remind members to delete irrelevant material when replying to messages, especially when subscribing in digest mode (as I do). For example, in this morning's the real 2nd message is some 26 screen pages down, after passing at least two other "Message: 2". See below. David -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mariners-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 28 August 2011 08:00 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 275 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Alexander Lawrence, etc. (Peter Klein) 2. Re: Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman (Peter Kirsopp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 16:47:43 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Alexander Lawrence, etc. To: Lisa McKinney <lisakaymckinney@yahoo.com>, mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314460063.87907.YahooMailRC@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Lisa, Further to my last, Cornelia Lawrence is listed in the New-York Marine Register for 1858, reproduced on the Mystic Seaport website. In brief, see entry 379; Cornelia Lawrence, Captain Knapp; ship rig; 1474 tons; 3 decks; built of oak with copper fastenings; built New York 1854 by Westervelt & Co.; managing owner: A. M. Lawrence (Alexander M. Lawrence?); length 196.5 feet, beam 40 feet, depth 27 feet. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Lisa McKinney <lisakaymckinney@yahoo.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 27 August, 2011 12:36:04 Subject: [MAR] Alexander Lawrence, etc. Does anyone have any information about the Alexander M. Lawrence (there are probably 2) and the Cornelia Lawrence? Thanks, Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "mariners-request@rootsweb.com" <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:15 AM Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 271 Today's Topics: 1. Brig ALLIANCE (Mick) 2. Brig Alliance (Peter Kirsopp) 3. Re: Brig ALLIANCE (Peter Klein) 4. Re: Brig ALLIANCE (Peter Klein) 5. Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman (Mme_N_Carmichael) 6. Immigration Vessels (Edie McArthur) 7. Re: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 (Paul Isserlis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:36:23 +0100 From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BE9E0677D3744D1C9122111288ACA84C@westeire> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:45:18 +0100 From: "Peter Kirsopp" <peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> Subject: [MAR] Brig Alliance To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5105DA5B243C4451A6C648ECF6A5E2F4@usercd13ac5f73> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The vessel is the Brig Alliance 114tons built Fowey 1814 owned Fryer & co. rated E1 at this time, copper sheathed 12ft draught, usually employed on the Newfoundland trade. Dried fish to Catholic ports no doubt, Brazil and the Meditteranean. Lloyd's list has her in Pernambuco and Montevideo in 1826. Peter ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314397366.53902.YahooMailRC@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin. Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli. Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831. This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314397366.53902.YahooMailRC@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin. Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli. Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831. This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> Subject: [MAR] Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314407350.10800.YahooMailClassic@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear all, If anyone here has this book, can you tell me: How thoroughly is this book indexed? Is there an index of ship names? Is there an index of people names? I can find only three libraries here with copies. Two are at universities which do not participate in 'inter-library loan' and the? third is Toronto Public Library which has it tagged as 'Reference" and will also not loan it (even though they have two copies). I've checked into buying a copy, but the prices are off-putting when I am only on a 'fishing expedition' and don't know for sure if any of 'mine' will be mentioned there. If the Index is comprehensive, I will chance annoying a professor acquaintance at U of T with a request to take out the book and photocopy the index for me, and later possibly to photocopy some relevant pages. [Aside: That is what I had to do with Graham Farr's "Bristol Ships". While I can understand the universities' position, it was immensely frustrating to learn that I was the first person to want to take out that book since U of T acquired it - '55 years!!!!' earlier. Ah! the joys of being a rural researcher cum full-time caregiver.] Regards, Adi ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:20:55 +1000 From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Immigration Vessels To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <47AD8B888DA442428C99395E3C173D54@user633a122f89> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Haven't been on this llist for long so I am not sure if you have seen this site before. It includes paintings and photos of Vessels. Other material to do with ships etc. Edie http://library.mysticseaport.org/immigration/VesselList.cfm -- Shared using Google Toolbar ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:14:51 -0400 From: Paul Isserlis <paul.isserlis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAA6UzKEEHj4eA4hssvx27t-R6KzM4rNkVyB=bznLeRb56--2-w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Peter Lived in Lower Upnor on barge Plover in the fifties, and saw many boys climb to the main mast top, one did a head stand up there and another sat on the cap ! Ps my brother Joseph is the boatbuilder at Fort Edmonton Park. Paul Isserlis Canada On Thursday, 25 August 2011, <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) 2. > Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Mick) 3. Re: > merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) > 4. Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far side if > the world (Peter Monks) > 5. Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA (Peter Monks) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:34:45 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > > <CAGykBB3r-Gwdtwk7EjYgxbY0Mei-NtdfN65Z4+8xzEhSasacuA@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. > Regards Barry. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:00:26 +0100 > From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B63A57C01572470D854EA601A5E2131E@westeire> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Barry > > David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if > that turns up anything. > http://www.irishmariners.ie/ > > If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a > Ships Captain. > > > Mick > > Mariners List > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Laughton > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > > > Hi, > Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. > Regards Barry. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:20:02 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Cc: Mariners List <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > > <CAGykBB1qn=iRMQUPZU3++FnT0QZuCu4PvyXku4mDmREayMDD-Q@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 24 August 2011 14:00, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: >> Hi Barry >> >> David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. >> http://www.irishmariners.ie/ >> >> If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a >> Ships Captain. > Agreed >> >> > > I did take a look, but unfortunately I think he was born in > Whitehaven, England. You would have thought with a name like Connor he > would have been born in Ireland, but no. Thanks very much for yor > reply and help. Barry in a sunny West Cork > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:49:42 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far > side if the world > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B6938916-1AEC-463F-81FE-E9826469EC5B@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Being retired and lonely, I was playing the above movie as I have > mostly every month. It seems to cover many aspects of interest. > > Near the end of the movie did the Lt. exchange hats while going to > take boarding party? > > Was the breech of the gun prevented from firing on the Acheron by the > hand of a crew member? Blocking the hammer? > > Should anyone be wiling to advise me accordingly, I would appreciate > it. > > Peter > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:04:17 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA > To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BF9E57BF-63A6-422F-90ED-64DEF26DCD4E@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do. I > have the main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck. As a petrified youth I made it up the fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. > > Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 > floor building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ? It makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years ago. Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on to. > > Other thoughts? > > Peter > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to > MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 > **************************************** > ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 271 **************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:17:05 +0100 From: "Peter Kirsopp" <peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8E3A9561B34143D99C7658611676DC63@usercd13ac5f73> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original There is an index but not very comprehensive. I have compiled one of my own if you let me know the names you require. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: [MAR] Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman Dear all, If anyone here has this book, can you tell me: How thoroughly is this book indexed? Is there an index of ship names? Is there an index of people names? I can find only three libraries here with copies. Two are at universities which do not participate in 'inter-library loan' and the third is Toronto Public Library which has it tagged as 'Reference" and will also not loan it (even though they have two copies). I've checked into buying a copy, but the prices are off-putting when I am only on a 'fishing expedition' and don't know for sure if any of 'mine' will be mentioned there. If the Index is comprehensive, I will chance annoying a professor acquaintance at U of T with a request to take out the book and photocopy the index for me, and later possibly to photocopy some relevant pages. [Aside: That is what I had to do with Graham Farr's "Bristol Ships". While I can understand the universities' position, it was immensely frustrating to learn that I was the first person to want to take out that book since U of T acquired it - '55 years!!!!' earlier. Ah! the joys of being a rural researcher cum full-time caregiver.] Regards, Adi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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There is an index but not very comprehensive. I have compiled one of my own if you let me know the names you require. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: [MAR] Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman Dear all, If anyone here has this book, can you tell me: How thoroughly is this book indexed? Is there an index of ship names? Is there an index of people names? I can find only three libraries here with copies. Two are at universities which do not participate in 'inter-library loan' and the third is Toronto Public Library which has it tagged as 'Reference" and will also not loan it (even though they have two copies). I've checked into buying a copy, but the prices are off-putting when I am only on a 'fishing expedition' and don't know for sure if any of 'mine' will be mentioned there. If the Index is comprehensive, I will chance annoying a professor acquaintance at U of T with a request to take out the book and photocopy the index for me, and later possibly to photocopy some relevant pages. [Aside: That is what I had to do with Graham Farr's "Bristol Ships". While I can understand the universities' position, it was immensely frustrating to learn that I was the first person to want to take out that book since U of T acquired it - '55 years!!!!' earlier. Ah! the joys of being a rural researcher cum full-time caregiver.] Regards, Adi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Lisa, Further to my last, Cornelia Lawrence is listed in the New-York Marine Register for 1858, reproduced on the Mystic Seaport website. In brief, see entry 379; Cornelia Lawrence, Captain Knapp; ship rig; 1474 tons; 3 decks; built of oak with copper fastenings; built New York 1854 by Westervelt & Co.; managing owner: A. M. Lawrence (Alexander M. Lawrence?); length 196.5 feet, beam 40 feet, depth 27 feet. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Lisa McKinney <lisakaymckinney@yahoo.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 27 August, 2011 12:36:04 Subject: [MAR] Alexander Lawrence, etc. Does anyone have any information about the Alexander M. Lawrence (there are probably 2) and the Cornelia Lawrence? Thanks, Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "mariners-request@rootsweb.com" <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:15 AM Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 271 Today's Topics: 1. Brig ALLIANCE (Mick) 2. Brig Alliance (Peter Kirsopp) 3. Re: Brig ALLIANCE (Peter Klein) 4. Re: Brig ALLIANCE (Peter Klein) 5. Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman (Mme_N_Carmichael) 6. Immigration Vessels (Edie McArthur) 7. Re: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 (Paul Isserlis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:36:23 +0100 From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BE9E0677D3744D1C9122111288ACA84C@westeire> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:45:18 +0100 From: "Peter Kirsopp" <peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> Subject: [MAR] Brig Alliance To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5105DA5B243C4451A6C648ECF6A5E2F4@usercd13ac5f73> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The vessel is the Brig Alliance 114tons built Fowey 1814 owned Fryer & co. rated E1 at this time, copper sheathed 12ft draught, usually employed on the Newfoundland trade. Dried fish to Catholic ports no doubt, Brazil and the Meditteranean. Lloyd's list has her in Pernambuco and Montevideo in 1826. Peter ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314397366.53902.YahooMailRC@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin. Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli. Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831. This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314397366.53902.YahooMailRC@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin. Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli. Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831. This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> Subject: [MAR] Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314407350.10800.YahooMailClassic@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear all, If anyone here has this book, can you tell me: How thoroughly is this book indexed? Is there an index of ship names? Is there an index of people names? I can find only three libraries here with copies. Two are at universities which do not participate in 'inter-library loan' and the? third is Toronto Public Library which has it tagged as 'Reference" and will also not loan it (even though they have two copies). I've checked into buying a copy, but the prices are off-putting when I am only on a 'fishing expedition' and don't know for sure if any of 'mine' will be mentioned there. If the Index is comprehensive, I will chance annoying a professor acquaintance at U of T with a request to take out the book and photocopy the index for me, and later possibly to photocopy some relevant pages. [Aside: That is what I had to do with Graham Farr's "Bristol Ships". While I can understand the universities' position, it was immensely frustrating to learn that I was the first person to want to take out that book since U of T acquired it - '55 years!!!!' earlier. Ah! the joys of being a rural researcher cum full-time caregiver.] Regards, Adi ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:20:55 +1000 From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Immigration Vessels To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <47AD8B888DA442428C99395E3C173D54@user633a122f89> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Haven't been on this llist for long so I am not sure if you have seen this site before. It includes paintings and photos of Vessels. Other material to do with ships etc. Edie http://library.mysticseaport.org/immigration/VesselList.cfm -- Shared using Google Toolbar ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:14:51 -0400 From: Paul Isserlis <paul.isserlis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAA6UzKEEHj4eA4hssvx27t-R6KzM4rNkVyB=bznLeRb56--2-w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Peter Lived in Lower Upnor on barge Plover in the fifties, and saw many boys climb to the main mast top, one did a head stand up there and another sat on the cap ! Ps my brother Joseph is the boatbuilder at Fort Edmonton Park. Paul Isserlis Canada On Thursday, 25 August 2011, <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) > 2. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Mick) > 3. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) > 4. Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far side if > the world (Peter Monks) > 5. Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA (Peter Monks) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:34:45 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAGykBB3r-Gwdtwk7EjYgxbY0Mei-NtdfN65Z4+8xzEhSasacuA@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. > Regards Barry. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:00:26 +0100 > From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B63A57C01572470D854EA601A5E2131E@westeire> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Barry > > David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. > http://www.irishmariners.ie/ > > If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. > > > Mick > > Mariners List > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Laughton > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > > > Hi, > Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. > Regards Barry. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:20:02 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Cc: Mariners List <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGykBB1qn=iRMQUPZU3++FnT0QZuCu4PvyXku4mDmREayMDD-Q@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 24 August 2011 14:00, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: >> Hi Barry >> >> David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. >> http://www.irishmariners.ie/ >> >> If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. > Agreed >> >> > > I did take a look, but unfortunately I think he was born in > Whitehaven, England. You would have thought with a name like Connor he > would have been born in Ireland, but no. Thanks very much for yor > reply and help. Barry in a sunny West Cork > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:49:42 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far > side if the world > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B6938916-1AEC-463F-81FE-E9826469EC5B@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Being retired and lonely, I was playing the above movie as I have mostly every month. It seems to cover many aspects of interest. > > Near the end of the movie did the Lt. exchange hats while going to take boarding party? > > Was the breech of the gun prevented from firing on the Acheron by the hand of a crew member? Blocking the hammer? > > Should anyone be wiling to advise me accordingly, I would appreciate it. > > Peter > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:04:17 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA > To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BF9E57BF-63A6-422F-90ED-64DEF26DCD4E@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do. I have the main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck. As a petrified youth I made it up the fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. > > Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 floor building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ? It makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years ago. Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on to. > > Other thoughts? > > Peter > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to > MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 > **************************************** > ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Hello Lisa, If you happen to know, it might be helpful to know what nationality these vessels will have been, and when approximately they were sailing. A Cornelia Lawrence was reported in the British newspapers between 1855 and 1860. A barque of that name was off Liverpool from New York in early April 1855, under a Captain Knapp, and sailing for New York again in early June, and she arrived back again at Liverpool on October 5th. There are similar trips between Liverpool and New York in April/May 1856, arriving New York 29th June. Still sailing under Captain Knapp she left Liverpool again in December 1857 for Mobile, arriving back in Liverpool 26 April 1858. In the Belfast Newsletter of 30 April 1858 she was referred to as a "packet ship" that had arrived New York on the 22 March. Further references cease with the American Civil War, although "the English brig Cornelia Lawrence" was reported as having been seen at lat. 41.40, long. 64.43, about 500 miles due east of Philadelphia in May 1861. No Cornelia Lawrence appears in Lloyd's Registers for that period, nor is a vessel of that name listed among British registered vessels nor American ships allocated signal flags in the Mercantile Navy Lists of 1859/60. An Alexander M. Lawrence remains elusive. Regards PK ________________________________ From: Lisa McKinney <lisakaymckinney@yahoo.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 27 August, 2011 12:36:04 Subject: [MAR] Alexander Lawrence, etc. Does anyone have any information about the Alexander M. Lawrence (there are probably 2) and the Cornelia Lawrence? Thanks, Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "mariners-request@rootsweb.com" <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:15 AM Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 271 Today's Topics: 1. Brig ALLIANCE (Mick) 2. Brig Alliance (Peter Kirsopp) 3. Re: Brig ALLIANCE (Peter Klein) 4. Re: Brig ALLIANCE (Peter Klein) 5. Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman (Mme_N_Carmichael) 6. Immigration Vessels (Edie McArthur) 7. Re: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 (Paul Isserlis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:36:23 +0100 From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BE9E0677D3744D1C9122111288ACA84C@westeire> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:45:18 +0100 From: "Peter Kirsopp" <peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> Subject: [MAR] Brig Alliance To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5105DA5B243C4451A6C648ECF6A5E2F4@usercd13ac5f73> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The vessel is the Brig Alliance 114tons built Fowey 1814 owned Fryer & co. rated E1 at this time, copper sheathed 12ft draught, usually employed on the Newfoundland trade. Dried fish to Catholic ports no doubt, Brazil and the Meditteranean. Lloyd's list has her in Pernambuco and Montevideo in 1826. Peter ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314397366.53902.YahooMailRC@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin. Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli. Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831. This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314397366.53902.YahooMailRC@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin. Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli. Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831. This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> Subject: [MAR] Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314407350.10800.YahooMailClassic@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear all, If anyone here has this book, can you tell me: How thoroughly is this book indexed? Is there an index of ship names? Is there an index of people names? I can find only three libraries here with copies. Two are at universities which do not participate in 'inter-library loan' and the? third is Toronto Public Library which has it tagged as 'Reference" and will also not loan it (even though they have two copies). I've checked into buying a copy, but the prices are off-putting when I am only on a 'fishing expedition' and don't know for sure if any of 'mine' will be mentioned there. If the Index is comprehensive, I will chance annoying a professor acquaintance at U of T with a request to take out the book and photocopy the index for me, and later possibly to photocopy some relevant pages. [Aside: That is what I had to do with Graham Farr's "Bristol Ships". While I can understand the universities' position, it was immensely frustrating to learn that I was the first person to want to take out that book since U of T acquired it - '55 years!!!!' earlier. Ah! the joys of being a rural researcher cum full-time caregiver.] Regards, Adi ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:20:55 +1000 From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Immigration Vessels To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <47AD8B888DA442428C99395E3C173D54@user633a122f89> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Haven't been on this llist for long so I am not sure if you have seen this site before. It includes paintings and photos of Vessels. Other material to do with ships etc. Edie http://library.mysticseaport.org/immigration/VesselList.cfm -- Shared using Google Toolbar ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:14:51 -0400 From: Paul Isserlis <paul.isserlis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAA6UzKEEHj4eA4hssvx27t-R6KzM4rNkVyB=bznLeRb56--2-w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Peter Lived in Lower Upnor on barge Plover in the fifties, and saw many boys climb to the main mast top, one did a head stand up there and another sat on the cap ! Ps my brother Joseph is the boatbuilder at Fort Edmonton Park. Paul Isserlis Canada On Thursday, 25 August 2011, <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) > 2. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Mick) > 3. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) > 4. Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far side if > the world (Peter Monks) > 5. Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA (Peter Monks) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:34:45 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAGykBB3r-Gwdtwk7EjYgxbY0Mei-NtdfN65Z4+8xzEhSasacuA@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. > Regards Barry. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:00:26 +0100 > From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B63A57C01572470D854EA601A5E2131E@westeire> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Barry > > David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. > http://www.irishmariners.ie/ > > If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. > > > Mick > > Mariners List > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Laughton > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > > > Hi, > Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. > Regards Barry. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:20:02 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Cc: Mariners List <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGykBB1qn=iRMQUPZU3++FnT0QZuCu4PvyXku4mDmREayMDD-Q@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 24 August 2011 14:00, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: >> Hi Barry >> >> David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. >> http://www.irishmariners.ie/ >> >> If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. > Agreed >> >> > > I did take a look, but unfortunately I think he was born in > Whitehaven, England. You would have thought with a name like Connor he > would have been born in Ireland, but no. Thanks very much for yor > reply and help. Barry in a sunny West Cork > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:49:42 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far > side if the world > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B6938916-1AEC-463F-81FE-E9826469EC5B@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Being retired and lonely, I was playing the above movie as I have mostly every month. It seems to cover many aspects of interest. > > Near the end of the movie did the Lt. exchange hats while going to take boarding party? > > Was the breech of the gun prevented from firing on the Acheron by the hand of a crew member? Blocking the hammer? > > Should anyone be wiling to advise me accordingly, I would appreciate it. > > Peter > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:04:17 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA > To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BF9E57BF-63A6-422F-90ED-64DEF26DCD4E@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do. I have the main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck. As a petrified youth I made it up the fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. > > Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 floor building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ? It makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years ago. Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on to. > > Other thoughts? > > Peter > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to > MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 > **************************************** > ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Many thanks for that, Edie. The Mystic Seaport site is a very useful one, not least because it also features ththe American Lloyd's Register, and these can be very useful for British and other shipping. Their pictorial resource is also most valuable. I am however getting a notice at the moment saying that this website is under page attack and has been compromised by a hacker, so it is currently unsafe and perhaps it would be sensible to avoid accessing it for a day or two. The site has been notified. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Edie McArthur <ediemc@bigpond.com> To: Mariners Rootsweb <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 27 August, 2011 2:20:55 Subject: [MAR] Immigration Vessels Hi Haven't been on this llist for long so I am not sure if you have seen this site before. It includes paintings and photos of Vessels. Other material to do with ships etc. Edie http://library.mysticseaport.org/immigration/VesselList.cfm -- Shared using Google Toolbar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Haven't been on this llist for long so I am not sure if you have seen this site before. It includes paintings and photos of Vessels. Other material to do with ships etc. Edie http://library.mysticseaport.org/immigration/VesselList.cfm -- Shared using Google Toolbar

Greetings, Many thanks for your reply. I recall running the foreshore, looping up the hill and returning via the sports field. This was when I was young and fit. On one occasion I was invited on board one of the Thames barges moored there. My one and only such invitation. Whether the PLOVER I do not remember. It was in the early 1950's, there was several mothballed naval ships in midstream and a monitor battleship alongside at Chatham dockside. Time has no doubt changed the scenery, with the departure of the ARETHUSA in 1975. Now seemingly up for sale at $6 million, if the e-mail is correct. It's relocation back to Hamburg would place several of the Laeisz ships in moderate proximity. POMMERN at Mariehamn, Finland. PEKING currently in New York, PASSAT at Travernmunde. PADUA still sailing as the Kruzenstern under the Russian flag. Many thanks, Peter On 2011-08-26, at 11:14 PM, Paul Isserlis <paul.isserlis@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Peter > Lived in Lower Upnor on barge Plover in the fifties, and saw many boys climb > to the main mast top, one did a head stand up there and another sat on the > cap ! > Ps my brother Joseph is the boatbuilder at Fort Edmonton Park. > Paul Isserlis > Canada > > On Thursday, 25 August 2011, <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) >> 2. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Mick) >> 3. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) >> 4. Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far side if >> the world (Peter Monks) >> 5. Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA (Peter Monks) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:34:45 +0100 >> From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> >> Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 >> To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAGykBB3r-Gwdtwk7EjYgxbY0Mei-NtdfN65Z4+8xzEhSasacuA@mail.gmail.com >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi, >> Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping >> lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas >> Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with >> his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I >> cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to >> the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after >> 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was >> a captain(heard legends like that before. >> Regards Barry. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:00:26 +0100 >> From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> >> Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 >> To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <B63A57C01572470D854EA601A5E2131E@westeire> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Barry >> >> David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that > turns up anything. >> http://www.irishmariners.ie/ >> >> If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships > Captain. >> >> >> Mick >> >> Mariners List >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Barry Laughton >> To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM >> Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 >> >> >> Hi, >> Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping >> lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas >> Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with >> his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I >> cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to >> the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after >> 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was >> a captain(heard legends like that before. >> Regards Barry. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:20:02 +0100 >> From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 >> To: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> >> Cc: Mariners List <mariners@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <CAGykBB1qn=iRMQUPZU3++FnT0QZuCu4PvyXku4mDmREayMDD-Q@mail.gmail.com >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On 24 August 2011 14:00, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: >>> Hi Barry >>> >>> David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if > that turns up anything. >>> http://www.irishmariners.ie/ >>> >>> If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships > Captain. >> Agreed >>> >>> >> >> I did take a look, but unfortunately I think he was born in >> Whitehaven, England. You would have thought with a name like Connor he >> would have been born in Ireland, but no. Thanks very much for yor >> reply and help. Barry in a sunny West Cork >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:49:42 -0600 >> From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> >> Subject: [MAR] Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far >> side if the world >> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <B6938916-1AEC-463F-81FE-E9826469EC5B@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Being retired and lonely, I was playing the above movie as I have mostly > every month. It seems to cover many aspects of interest. >> >> Near the end of the movie did the Lt. exchange hats while going to take > boarding party? >> >> Was the breech of the gun prevented from firing on the Acheron by the hand > of a crew member? Blocking the hammer? >> >> Should anyone be wiling to advise me accordingly, I would appreciate it. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:04:17 -0600 >> From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> >> Subject: [MAR] Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA >> To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BF9E57BF-63A6-422F-90ED-64DEF26DCD4E@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do. I have > the main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck. As a petrified youth I made it up > the fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. >> >> Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 floor > building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ? It > makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years > ago. Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on > to. >> >> Other thoughts? >> >> Peter >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to >> MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to > MARINERS@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 >> **************************************** >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have any information about the Alexander M. Lawrence (there are probably 2) and the Cornelia Lawrence? Thanks, Lisa       ----- Original Message ----- From: "mariners-request@rootsweb.com" <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:15 AM Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 271 Today's Topics:   1. Brig ALLIANCE (Mick)   2. Brig Alliance (Peter Kirsopp)   3. Re: Brig ALLIANCE (Peter Klein)   4. Re: Brig ALLIANCE (Peter Klein)   5. Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman       (Mme_N_Carmichael)   6. Immigration Vessels (Edie McArthur)   7. Re: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 (Paul Isserlis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:36:23 +0100 From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BE9E0677D3744D1C9122111288ACA84C@westeire> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Posting on behalf of  Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:45:18 +0100 From: "Peter Kirsopp" <peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> Subject: [MAR] Brig Alliance To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5105DA5B243C4451A6C648ECF6A5E2F4@usercd13ac5f73> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" The vessel is the Brig Alliance 114tons built Fowey 1814 owned Fryer & co. rated E1 at this time, copper sheathed 12ft draught, usually employed on the Newfoundland trade. Dried fish to Catholic ports no doubt, Brazil and the Meditteranean. Lloyd's list has her in Pernambuco and Montevideo in 1826. Peter ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314397366.53902.YahooMailRC@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin.  Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli.  Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831.  This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of  Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE To: mariners@rootsweb.com Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1314397366.53902.YahooMailRC@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin.  Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli.  Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831.  This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of  Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> Subject: [MAR] Book: "Collier Brigs and Their Sailors", Runciman To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <1314407350.10800.YahooMailClassic@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear all, If anyone here has this book, can you tell me: How thoroughly is this book indexed? Is there an index of ship names? Is there an index of people names? I can find only three libraries here with copies. Two are at universities which do not participate in 'inter-library loan' and the? third is Toronto Public Library which has it tagged as 'Reference" and will also not loan it (even though they have two copies). I've checked into buying a copy, but the prices are off-putting when I am only on a 'fishing expedition' and don't know for sure if any of 'mine' will be mentioned there. If the Index is comprehensive, I will chance annoying a professor acquaintance at U of T with a request to take out the book and photocopy the index for me, and later possibly to photocopy some relevant pages. [Aside: That is what I had to do with Graham Farr's "Bristol Ships". While I can understand the universities' position, it was immensely frustrating to learn that I was the first person to want to take out that book since U of T acquired it - '55 years!!!!' earlier. Ah! the joys of being a rural researcher cum full-time caregiver.] Regards, Adi ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:20:55 +1000 From: "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Immigration Vessels To: "Mariners Rootsweb" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <47AD8B888DA442428C99395E3C173D54@user633a122f89> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Haven't been on this llist for long so I am not sure if you have seen this site before. It includes paintings and photos of Vessels.  Other material to do with ships etc. Edie http://library.mysticseaport.org/immigration/VesselList.cfm -- Shared using Google Toolbar ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:14:51 -0400 From: Paul Isserlis <paul.isserlis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:     <CAA6UzKEEHj4eA4hssvx27t-R6KzM4rNkVyB=bznLeRb56--2-w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Peter Lived in Lower Upnor on barge Plover in the fifties, and saw many boys climb to the main mast top, one did a head stand up there and another sat on the cap ! Ps my brother Joseph is the boatbuilder at Fort Edmonton Park. Paul Isserlis Canada On Thursday, 25 August 2011,  <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > >  1. merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) >  2. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Mick) >  3. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) >  4. Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander,      the far side if >      the world (Peter Monks) >  5. Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA (Peter Monks) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:34:45 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: >        <CAGykBB3r-Gwdtwk7EjYgxbY0Mei-NtdfN65Z4+8xzEhSasacuA@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, >  Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. >                        Regards Barry. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:00:26 +0100 > From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B63A57C01572470D854EA601A5E2131E@westeire> > Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Barry > > David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. > http://www.irishmariners.ie/ > > If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. > > > Mick > > Mariners List > > >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: Barry Laughton >  To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM >  Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > > >  Hi, >    Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping >  lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas >  Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with >  his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I >  cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to >  the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after >  1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was >  a captain(heard legends like that before. >                          Regards Barry. > >  ------------------------------- >  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:20:02 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Cc: Mariners List <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: >        <CAGykBB1qn=iRMQUPZU3++FnT0QZuCu4PvyXku4mDmREayMDD-Q@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 24 August 2011 14:00, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: >> Hi Barry >> >> David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. >> http://www.irishmariners.ie/ >> >> If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. >  Agreed >> >> > > I did take a look, but unfortunately I think he was born in > Whitehaven, England. You would have thought with a name like Connor he > would have been born in Ireland, but no. Thanks very much for yor > reply and help. Barry in a sunny West Cork > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:49:42 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander,      the far >        side if the world > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B6938916-1AEC-463F-81FE-E9826469EC5B@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;      charset=us-ascii > > Being retired and lonely, I was playing the above movie as I have mostly every month.  It seems to cover many aspects of interest. > > Near the end of the movie did the Lt. exchange hats while going to take boarding party? > > Was the breech of the gun prevented from firing on the Acheron by the hand of a crew member?  Blocking the hammer? > > Should anyone be wiling to advise me accordingly, I would appreciate it. > > Peter > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:04:17 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA > To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BF9E57BF-63A6-422F-90ED-64DEF26DCD4E@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;      charset=us-ascii > > As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do.  I have the main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck.  As a petrified youth I made it up the fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. > > Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 floor building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ?  It makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years ago.  Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on to. > > Other thoughts? > > Peter > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to > MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 > **************************************** > ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Hi Peter Lived in Lower Upnor on barge Plover in the fifties, and saw many boys climb to the main mast top, one did a head stand up there and another sat on the cap ! Ps my brother Joseph is the boatbuilder at Fort Edmonton Park. Paul Isserlis Canada On Thursday, 25 August 2011, <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) > 2. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Mick) > 3. Re: merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 (Barry Laughton) > 4. Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far side if > the world (Peter Monks) > 5. Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA (Peter Monks) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:34:45 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAGykBB3r-Gwdtwk7EjYgxbY0Mei-NtdfN65Z4+8xzEhSasacuA@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. > Regards Barry. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:00:26 +0100 > From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B63A57C01572470D854EA601A5E2131E@westeire> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Barry > > David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. > http://www.irishmariners.ie/ > > If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. > > > Mick > > Mariners List > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Laughton > To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM > Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > > > Hi, > Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping > lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas > Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with > his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I > cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to > the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after > 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was > a captain(heard legends like that before. > Regards Barry. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:20:02 +0100 > From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 > To: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Cc: Mariners List <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGykBB1qn=iRMQUPZU3++FnT0QZuCu4PvyXku4mDmREayMDD-Q@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 24 August 2011 14:00, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: >> Hi Barry >> >> David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. >> http://www.irishmariners.ie/ >> >> If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. > Agreed >> >> > > I did take a look, but unfortunately I think he was born in > Whitehaven, England. You would have thought with a name like Connor he > would have been born in Ireland, but no. Thanks very much for yor > reply and help. Barry in a sunny West Cork > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:49:42 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Movie Russell Crowe's Master and Commander, the far > side if the world > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B6938916-1AEC-463F-81FE-E9826469EC5B@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Being retired and lonely, I was playing the above movie as I have mostly every month. It seems to cover many aspects of interest. > > Near the end of the movie did the Lt. exchange hats while going to take boarding party? > > Was the breech of the gun prevented from firing on the Acheron by the hand of a crew member? Blocking the hammer? > > Should anyone be wiling to advise me accordingly, I would appreciate it. > > Peter > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:04:17 -0600 > From: Peter Monks <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> > Subject: [MAR] Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA > To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BF9E57BF-63A6-422F-90ED-64DEF26DCD4E@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do. I have the main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck. As a petrified youth I made it up the fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. > > Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 floor building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ? It makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years ago. Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on to. > > Other thoughts? > > Peter > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to > MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 > **************************************** >

Hello Mick and Mary, Further to Peter Kirsopp's posting, Tulloch appears to have taken command of Alliance during 1827 from a Captain Collin. Alliance was certainly sailing in the Med. in early 1831, when she arrived during March at Falmouth, under Tulloch, loaded with 237 casks of olive oil from Gallipoli. Finally, she was one of a number of vessels driven on shore in Carlisle Bay, Barbadoes, sailing from Newfoundland, during a hurricane on the 11th August 1831. This was reported in the Liverpool Mercury of the 7th October. Alliance's listing ceases in Lloyd's Register after this date, so she was presumably a total loss. Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 August, 2011 15:36:23 Subject: [MAR] Brig ALLIANCE Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The vessel is the Brig Alliance 114tons built Fowey 1814 owned Fryer & co. rated E1 at this time, copper sheathed 12ft draught, usually employed on the Newfoundland trade. Dried fish to Catholic ports no doubt, Brazil and the Meditteranean. Lloyd's list has her in Pernambuco and Montevideo in 1826. Peter

Dear all, If anyone here has this book, can you tell me: How thoroughly is this book indexed? Is there an index of ship names? Is there an index of people names? I can find only three libraries here with copies. Two are at universities which do not participate in 'inter-library loan' and the  third is Toronto Public Library which has it tagged as 'Reference" and will also not loan it (even though they have two copies). I've checked into buying a copy, but the prices are off-putting when I am only on a 'fishing expedition' and don't know for sure if any of 'mine' will be mentioned there. If the Index is comprehensive, I will chance annoying a professor acquaintance at U of T with a request to take out the book and photocopy the index for me, and later possibly to photocopy some relevant pages. [Aside: That is what I had to do with Graham Farr's "Bristol Ships". While I can understand the universities' position, it was immensely frustrating to learn that I was the first person to want to take out that book since U of T acquired it - '55 years!!!!' earlier. Ah! the joys of being a rural researcher cum full-time caregiver.] Regards, Adi

Posting on behalf of Zwicker's Gallery Halifax, NS Hello, I am looking for any information regarding the ship, Brig ALLIANCE We are an Art Gallery in Canada and have just acquired a painting of a ship portrait, and any information about the ship would be helpful for our clientele. The painting is entitled "Brig ALLIANCE of Poole Going into Naples, 1827, Lawrence Tulloch Commander". I thought contacting your Shipping Registry would be the best place to start. Thank you for time. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Garoutte, Gallery Assistant Ian Muncaster, Director > Zwicker's Gallery > > 5415 Doyle Street > > Halifax, NS > > B3J 1H9 > > T. (902) 423-7662 > > F. (902) 422-3870 > > <http://www.zwickersgallery.ca/> www.zwickersgallery.ca > > service@zwickersgallery.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Peter, The mast at RN shore establishment HMS GANGES had a lightening rod that extended about 18 inches (50 cms) above the button, and the button boy used to grip it between his knees as he stood to attention saluting! It takes a special type of person to do that, no doubt with the same lack of fear for heights, and the same sense of balance as steeple jacks. A school friend of mine, Les Smith, was the button boy at GANGES in about 1961, and he received 5 shillings from the Captain after doing it at the ceremonial passing out parade. The ceremonial mast at my old school had safety nets, but that was long after it decommissioned and removed when I was there! Bernard de Neumann -------Original Message------- From: Peter Monks Date: 08/25/11 00:04:50 To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do. I have the main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck. As a petrified youth I made it up the fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 floor building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ? It makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years ago. Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on to. Other thoughts? Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, What a delight to hear from you again. It would seem that we might have lived somewhat similar lives? I was on HMS ST. VINCENT basic training establishment after the ARETHUSA. I raced against HMS GANGES. Our mast also had a safety net, if one should fall within it's reach. Perhaps the ARETHUSA had lightening rods also? I for one was not going to inspect it! Many thanks, Peter On 2011-08-25, at 3:32 AM, "Bernard de Neumann" <de.Neumann@btinternet.com> wrote: > Peter, The mast at RN shore establishment HMS GANGES had a lightening rod > that extended about 18 inches (50 cms) above the button, and the button boy > used to grip it between his knees as he stood to attention saluting! It > takes a special type of person to do that, no doubt with the same lack of > fear for heights, and the same sense of balance as steeple jacks. A school > friend of mine, Les Smith, was the button boy at GANGES in about 1961, and > he received 5 shillings from the Captain after doing it at the ceremonial > passing out parade. The ceremonial mast at my old school had safety nets, > but that was long after it decommissioned and removed when I was there! > > Bernard de Neumann > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Peter Monks > Date: 08/25/11 00:04:50 > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Main mast of the PEKING ex ARETHUSA > > As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do. I have the > main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck. As a petrified youth I made it up the > fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. > > Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 floor > building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ? It > makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years > ago. Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on > to. > > Other thoughts? > > Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As an ex ARETHUSA lad, I am intrigued by the deeds of daring-do. I have the main mast as 52 mtr deck to truck. As a petrified youth I made it up the fore mast to touch the button at the mast head. Now visiting my wife in a nursing home in Edmonton, they have a 15 floor building adjacent that must be almost the height, approx. 150 ft. ? It makes my blood run cold to think of scaling that height some 50 odd years ago. Quite apart from the "button boy" on the top with nothing to hold on to. Other thoughts? Peter

Being retired and lonely, I was playing the above movie as I have mostly every month. It seems to cover many aspects of interest. Near the end of the movie did the Lt. exchange hats while going to take boarding party? Was the breech of the gun prevented from firing on the Acheron by the hand of a crew member? Blocking the hammer? Should anyone be wiling to advise me accordingly, I would appreciate it. Peter

On 24 August 2011 14:00, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: > Hi Barry > > David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. > http://www.irishmariners.ie/ > > If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. Agreed > > I did take a look, but unfortunately I think he was born in Whitehaven, England. You would have thought with a name like Connor he would have been born in Ireland, but no. Thanks very much for yor reply and help. Barry in a sunny West Cork

Hi Barry David Snook has a Data Base of Irish Seamen from 1918 to 1920, see if that turns up anything. http://www.irishmariners.ie/ If he was listed in the census as a Sailor, its unlikely he was a Ships Captain. Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Laughton To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910 Hi, Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was a captain(heard legends like that before. Regards Barry. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Is there any knowledgeable person, who knows the merchant shipping lines between Liverpool/Drogheda. 1890-1920. I am looking for a Thomas Connor employment shown as sailor, living in Madriel St. in 1901 with his family. Wife Mary Ann nee Clarke. His wife was born in Ireland. I cannot find them in the Irish 1911 census. I have not got access to the full census, only the summary tables, so I lose the family after 1901. Any ideas, suggestions welcome.Wife's family legend says he was a captain(heard legends like that before. Regards Barry.