HK Daily Press 20 May 1864 JH Brockleman, Hamburg Brig, departed Hamburg 9th Nov 1863, arrived HK 20 May 1864 In the Straits of Macassar having been knocked overboard by the anchor and drowned in bringing up. W. Moller late chief mate of brig J. H. Brockleman.

Thankyou Paul. I should be able to do something with the Donegal and Pay and Muster lists 1802. I do have the admission for James Bryans son Silas to enter the Greenwich Hopsital School and it did state James served on the Majestic in 1800, but the information for the Donegal will be enough. I shall think about hiring a researcher Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Benyon" <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Majestic and Donegal Edie The Pay Books and Musters, which list personnel borne on the books of the Donegal, have survived and can be found at the National Archives at Kew as follows : Ships' Pay Books ADM 35/479 Ship: Donegal 1801 Aug. 1 - 1802 Apr. 30 ADM 35/2194 Ship: Donegal 1802 May 1 - 1806 Aug. 31 Ships' Musters ADM 36/14726 Ship: DONEGAL 1801 Aug - 1802 Apr ADM 36/15680 Ship: DONEGAL 1802 May - 1803 Feb But these are usually fairly large volumes which cover relatively long periods and are made up of several submissions which each contain an index and the names of the whole ship's company of several hundred officers men, along with details of the comings and goings etc. : being bigger than the Majestic I would guess that the complement of the Donegal would be about 625 : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/D/01427.html I see I've made a note of 594 men for the Majestic : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/M/02850.html Regret though that the Majestic was not in commission during the year 1800, being in refit, so no Ships' Pay Books were created for this period, although they do exist for the years on either side, when the ship was in commission. I am not too familiar with RM research, however the National Archives has created a series of detailed leaflets which can be found by taking links from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guide-listing.htm#r Living where you do, unless you can find a volunteer to do help with your research, you may need to employ a researcher who specialises in RM personnel records : http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/irlist/ Paul On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 09:33:59 +1000, "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> wrote: >Hi, > Does anyone have the Royal Marine Crew list for the Majestic the year 1800 > and the Donegal 1802 please. The numbers if possible too please. I have > a James Bryan who only servved two years when he was invalided in 1802 as > an outpatient at the Greenwich Pensioner Hospital. I have just obtained > his sons Silas Brains/Bryans School admission papers and the information > was on there along with James marraige and Silas birth and Baptism. Also > on which Shps served. there doesn't seem to be any other record at the > National Archive uk, so where else could I find more of his Royal Marine > Record please. It is my son in laws family >thanks >Edie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edie The Pay Books and Musters, which list personnel borne on the books of the Donegal, have survived and can be found at the National Archives at Kew as follows : Ships' Pay Books ADM 35/479 Ship: Donegal 1801 Aug. 1 - 1802 Apr. 30 ADM 35/2194 Ship: Donegal 1802 May 1 - 1806 Aug. 31 Ships' Musters ADM 36/14726 Ship: DONEGAL 1801 Aug - 1802 Apr ADM 36/15680 Ship: DONEGAL 1802 May - 1803 Feb But these are usually fairly large volumes which cover relatively long periods and are made up of several submissions which each contain an index and the names of the whole ship's company of several hundred officers men, along with details of the comings and goings etc. : being bigger than the Majestic I would guess that the complement of the Donegal would be about 625 : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/D/01427.html I see I've made a note of 594 men for the Majestic : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/M/02850.html Regret though that the Majestic was not in commission during the year 1800, being in refit, so no Ships' Pay Books were created for this period, although they do exist for the years on either side, when the ship was in commission. I am not too familiar with RM research, however the National Archives has created a series of detailed leaflets which can be found by taking links from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guide-listing.htm#r Living where you do, unless you can find a volunteer to do help with your research, you may need to employ a researcher who specialises in RM personnel records : http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/irlist/ Paul On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 09:33:59 +1000, "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> wrote: >Hi, > Does anyone have the Royal Marine Crew list for the Majestic the year 1800 and the Donegal 1802 please. The numbers if possible too please. I have a James Bryan who only servved two years when he was invalided in 1802 as an outpatient at the Greenwich Pensioner Hospital. I have just obtained his sons Silas Brains/Bryans School admission papers and the information was on there along with James marraige and Silas birth and Baptism. Also on which Shps served. there doesn't seem to be any other record at the National Archive uk, so where else could I find more of his Royal Marine Record please. It is my son in laws family >thanks >Edie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi, Does anyone have the Royal Marine Crew list for the Majestic the year 1800 and the Donegal 1802 please. The numbers if possible too please. I have a James Bryan who only servved two years when he was invalided in 1802 as an outpatient at the Greenwich Pensioner Hospital. I have just obtained his sons Silas Brains/Bryans School admission papers and the information was on there along with James marraige and Silas birth and Baptism. Also on which Shps served. there doesn't seem to be any other record at the National Archive uk, so where else could I find more of his Royal Marine Record please. It is my son in laws family thanks Edie

Greetings Hella Many thanks for taking the time to reply to my query. Since I posted the query, I located the text of the book online - initially I couldn't find anything more than the beginning of the book and headings! I eventually found the reference I was looking for and after trying to 'copy and paste', save, and a few other strategies, I discovered how to copy the text - great relief! It was too much to try to copy out by hand. To other listers - thank you for reading my request, but I now have the full text of the reference to my great-grandfather's brother. Many thanks Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of menke-voigt Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 6:32 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Celestial Atlas by G Rubie Hallo Pam, As german member of the Mariners List, it maybe possible, that I do not understand well, what you are looking for. Far as I could see, it is possible to download as PDF. http://books.google.com/books?id=KDEAAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Celesti al+Atlas+Rubie&hl=de&ei=Qj9fTs_SDKjm4QTaw5kr&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&r esnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Daniel&f=false Greetings from Germany, Hella -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von PMR Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. September 2011 05:35 An: THE SHIPS LIST; MARINERS Mailing List Betreff: [MAR] Celestial Atlas by G Rubie Hello Listers In checking the Internet for references to Captain Thomas Brown DANIEL, my ggf's eldest brother, I came across an indication that he had made his journals, from his voyage as Master of the Coronet in 1828/29, available to G Rubie who was compiling a Celestial Atlas. Here's the entry: The British celestial atlas: being a complete guide to the ... - Google Books Result books.google.com.au/books?id=KDEAAAAAQAAJ...G. Rubie - 1830 - Science - 180 pages ... Voyage recently made round the World, in the Ship Coronet, Captain TB Daniel, of Hastings; who very kindly allowed me to extract it from his journals. ... Does anyone have this book or access to it who could copy the full extract re Captain TB DANIEL, please? A subsequent question - would the journals referred to still be available somewhere? As Tom DANIEL didn't marry, I'm endeavouring to put his story together - from his birth in Brighton, Sussex in August 1802, a mere fortnight after his parents' wedding, to his death at sea in March 1836 off Cape Horn - he was swept overboard in a storm. He was only 33 years old, but he packed a lot into those years. Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers In checking the Internet for references to Captain Thomas Brown DANIEL, my ggf's eldest brother, I came across an indication that he had made his journals, from his voyage as Master of the Coronet in 1828/29, available to G Rubie who was compiling a Celestial Atlas. Here's the entry: The British celestial atlas: being a complete guide to the ... - Google Books Result books.google.com.au/books?id=KDEAAAAAQAAJ...G. Rubie - 1830 - Science - 180 pages ... Voyage recently made round the World, in the Ship Coronet, Captain TB Daniel, of Hastings; who very kindly allowed me to extract it from his journals. ... Does anyone have this book or access to it who could copy the full extract re Captain TB DANIEL, please? A subsequent question - would the journals referred to still be available somewhere? As Tom DANIEL didn't marry, I'm endeavouring to put his story together - from his birth in Brighton, Sussex in August 1802, a mere fortnight after his parents' wedding, to his death at sea in March 1836 off Cape Horn - he was swept overboard in a storm. He was only 33 years old, but he packed a lot into those years. Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hallo Pam, As german member of the Mariners List, it maybe possible, that I do not understand well, what you are looking for. Far as I could see, it is possible to download as PDF. http://books.google.com/books?id=KDEAAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Celesti al+Atlas+Rubie&hl=de&ei=Qj9fTs_SDKjm4QTaw5kr&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&r esnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Daniel&f=false Greetings from Germany, Hella -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von PMR Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. September 2011 05:35 An: THE SHIPS LIST; MARINERS Mailing List Betreff: [MAR] Celestial Atlas by G Rubie Hello Listers In checking the Internet for references to Captain Thomas Brown DANIEL, my ggf's eldest brother, I came across an indication that he had made his journals, from his voyage as Master of the Coronet in 1828/29, available to G Rubie who was compiling a Celestial Atlas. Here's the entry: The British celestial atlas: being a complete guide to the ... - Google Books Result books.google.com.au/books?id=KDEAAAAAQAAJ...G. Rubie - 1830 - Science - 180 pages ... Voyage recently made round the World, in the Ship Coronet, Captain TB Daniel, of Hastings; who very kindly allowed me to extract it from his journals. ... Does anyone have this book or access to it who could copy the full extract re Captain TB DANIEL, please? A subsequent question - would the journals referred to still be available somewhere? As Tom DANIEL didn't marry, I'm endeavouring to put his story together - from his birth in Brighton, Sussex in August 1802, a mere fortnight after his parents' wedding, to his death at sea in March 1836 off Cape Horn - he was swept overboard in a storm. He was only 33 years old, but he packed a lot into those years. Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A list of European Seamen in the Honble The United English East India Company’s Marine Service at Bombay and Surat 25 January 1766 has now been added to the FIBIS database and is freely available to members and non-members. http://www.new.fibis.org/archives/ cheers Jenny

David, Many thanks for the reminder about "housekeeping" of not replying to the digest. This particular problem drives me crazy and I often delete the message without reading because of frustration. A loss, as I always learn something and sometimes can offer help... Regards, Jennifer

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:06:30 +0100, "Patrick" <pusserhill@ntlworld.com> wrote: >I'd never heard of the Royal Sailors' Home, but it makes perfect sense. >Do you think they might have kept records of residents? I have tried >googling it, but so far without any success (other than confirming that >it exists, of course!). The original Royal Sailors' Home, in Queen Street, Portsmouth, was badly damaged when the major south coast ports were heavily bombed after the Germans captured France, during WWII, and the club wasn't replaced until some years after the war, and would therefore wonder if any pre-war records could have survived ? I don't know where Portsmouth's archives are kept these days, but would suggest that may be the library might be a good place to start ? http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/learning/1028.html Paul 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

http://www.sole.org.uk/hasewe.htm Sian, The link above takes you to an interesting little snippet about Inconstant in the 1880s and mention of Royal Marines going ashore in Egypt is made. There are a few places where you may find further information: The Royal Marines Museum, Portsmouth, holds extensive records of Royal Marines and Royal Naval Bands and their leaders. The National Museum of the Royal Navy - I think this is its new name - are also loaded with facts. It may be worth a plug at the RN Fleet Air Arm Museum at Yeovilton, Somerset. This sounds a bit odd but they have lots of stuff about RM/RN Bands ante WW1. A few degrees off your Bill Oliver target but you may be able to pad out information to help the search. Patrick. -----Original Message----- From: Sian Mackey Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:08 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Help with understanding Naval Medal and Award Rolls entry for William Oliver Thank you to Peter and Patrick for your suggestions. I'd never heard of the Royal Sailors' Home, but it makes perfect sense. Do you think they might have kept records of residents? I have tried googling it, but so far without any success (other than confirming that it exists, of course!). Patrick, your suggestion regarding "band transfers" is very interesting. The band master on HMS Inconstant was Andrea Teseo and I thought that such an unusual name would be easy to track down and might give me a lead. However, it turns out he died in 1883. I haven't yet managed to establish whether or not he had gone to the army before that, but I suspect not given that his (Teseo's) medal roll records are annotated "D.D." with an '83 date, suggesting to me that he died in service. I have often wondered what William Oliver played. (There is a lot of music, much of it brass, in the family.) Does anybody know what a naval band would have consisted of at that time? I don't suppose there's any way of finding out what instrument he actually played, but does anybody have any suggestions of where I might try looking? Regards, Sian. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to Peter and Patrick for your suggestions. I'd never heard of the Royal Sailors' Home, but it makes perfect sense. Do you think they might have kept records of residents? I have tried googling it, but so far without any success (other than confirming that it exists, of course!). Patrick, your suggestion regarding "band transfers" is very interesting. The band master on HMS Inconstant was Andrea Teseo and I thought that such an unusual name would be easy to track down and might give me a lead. However, it turns out he died in 1883. I haven't yet managed to establish whether or not he had gone to the army before that, but I suspect not given that his (Teseo's) medal roll records are annotated "D.D." with an '83 date, suggesting to me that he died in service. I have often wondered what William Oliver played. (There is a lot of music, much of it brass, in the family.) Does anybody know what a naval band would have consisted of at that time? I don't suppose there's any way of finding out what instrument he actually played, but does anybody have any suggestions of where I might try looking? Regards, Sian.

Dear Max What is on them all depends on the dates you are looking for. I have crew lists from 1833 - 1845 for fishermen sailing out of Greenwich and there is no ticket number on those, whereas in 1848 there are. A word of caution though. The lists are in very large cardboard boxes, in absolutely no order whatsoever and are exceptionally fragile papers. The boxes do not contain every vessel for a particular year range. It is a slow process to look through each box and examine each document and whilst you may be lucky in having the researcher hit paydirt quickly, you could turn up nothing at all and find it has taken many hours to do so. I have spent many hours trawling through boxes, spending on average an hour on each at least. That being said, the port was London. It may be less time consuming for smaller ports. Before you commit, ask what the researcher's own experience has been in this type of search as they should be able to give you a reasonable estimate of what they think each could take. For me, trawling through those boxes, or anything else at the National Archives for that matter, is such a wonderful way to spend a holiday. I will send you some examples off line Good luck. Peter Enlund Armidale NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "max johnson" <maxjohn@tpg.com.au> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [MAR] CREW LISTS > a question for those who know > the national archives, agreements and crew list: 1835 - 1860. > states it provides the following, > first & surname,age,place of birth,quality,ship on which last served,date > and place of joining ship,time and place of death and how disposed. > it does not mention listing the seamans reference number, > does crew list include the seamans reference number? > i am trying to connect three seamen with the same name the common link > would be their reference number. > i am writting from australia so befor commiting to a uk based resercher,i > would like to have an idea of my sucess chances. max > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Sian, Possibly the 8/squiggle thing could be '...........Officer Commanding.....etc' with the final letters abbreviated to fit the column? In the 1800s the world of Military and Naval Music was a strange place. It had a history of what could be described as cross pollination. Directors of Music and Bandmasters were often employed by a Regiment or Army Group as direct entries to service based on their musical qualifications and abilities. These men were frequently head hunted by other Units. Famously, in recent history, is the late Col F Vivian-Dunn who was recruited to the Royal Marines Band Service, on a kind of loan, from the BBC Symphony Orchestra as a Lieutenant Director of Music. One of his predecessors, F J Ricketts (aka Kenneth J Alford) arrived at the Royal Marines by way of the Royal Irish Regiment and the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. The point is these influential music leaders took some of their star players with them when they moved - proving us Musoes were doing it before soccer clubs! So, your man may well have gone from RN/RM Band to the RRF as part of a transfer deal and it took a while for his medal to catch up - not unusual in modern times! Regards, Patrick. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Beeston Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:52 PM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Help with understanding Naval Medal and Award Rolls entryfor William OLIVER Perhaps his address in 1894 was Royal Sailors' Home, Portsmouth. Peter Beeston -----Original Message----- From: Sian Mackey Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2011 7:41 AM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Help with understanding Naval Medal and Award Rolls entry for William OLIVER Hello All, Can anybody help me to understand notes on a Naval Medal and Award Rolls entry, please? Ancestry has the details for William Oliver who was a bandsman on HMS Inconstant and was awarded the Egyptian medal in 1882. So far so good. However, the entry has some notes added to it. one appears to say "Royal Sails Home Ptsmth 31.10.94" (in the name column). The other note is in the "where sent" column and says,"Sent to Officer Command8 Royal Fusiliers Finsbury 24.3.83". (The 8 is an approximation of a squiggle which I assume is an abbreviation.) Does anybody have any idea why a medal award entry for 1882 would have been annotated in 1894? Is this usual? The 31st Oct. 1894 is the date that William Oliver rejoined the navy on HMS St George, but I can't understand why that would need to go on this record. And what is the "Royal"? Another ship? Similarly, why might a medal have been sent to the Royal Fusiliers? Does this mean that William Oliver was by that time in the army? Any suggestions very gratefully received! Regards, Sian. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps his address in 1894 was Royal Sailors' Home, Portsmouth. Peter Beeston -----Original Message----- From: Sian Mackey Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2011 7:41 AM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Help with understanding Naval Medal and Award Rolls entry for William OLIVER Hello All, Can anybody help me to understand notes on a Naval Medal and Award Rolls entry, please? Ancestry has the details for William Oliver who was a bandsman on HMS Inconstant and was awarded the Egyptian medal in 1882. So far so good. However, the entry has some notes added to it. one appears to say "Royal Sails Home Ptsmth 31.10.94" (in the name column). The other note is in the "where sent" column and says,"Sent to Officer Command8 Royal Fusiliers Finsbury 24.3.83". (The 8 is an approximation of a squiggle which I assume is an abbreviation.) Does anybody have any idea why a medal award entry for 1882 would have been annotated in 1894? Is this usual? The 31st Oct. 1894 is the date that William Oliver rejoined the navy on HMS St George, but I can't understand why that would need to go on this record. And what is the "Royal"? Another ship? Similarly, why might a medal have been sent to the Royal Fusiliers? Does this mean that William Oliver was by that time in the army? Any suggestions very gratefully received! Regards, Sian. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, Can anybody help me to understand notes on a Naval Medal and Award Rolls entry, please? Ancestry has the details for William Oliver who was a bandsman on HMS Inconstant and was awarded the Egyptian medal in 1882. So far so good. However, the entry has some notes added to it. one appears to say "Royal Sails Home Ptsmth 31.10.94" (in the name column). The other note is in the "where sent" column and says,"Sent to Officer Command8 Royal Fusiliers Finsbury 24.3.83". (The 8 is an approximation of a squiggle which I assume is an abbreviation.) Does anybody have any idea why a medal award entry for 1882 would have been annotated in 1894? Is this usual? The 31st Oct. 1894 is the date that William Oliver rejoined the navy on HMS St George, but I can't understand why that would need to go on this record. And what is the "Royal"? Another ship? Similarly, why might a medal have been sent to the Royal Fusiliers? Does this mean that William Oliver was by that time in the army? Any suggestions very gratefully received! Regards, Sian.

On 29 August 2011 12:31, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Mick > > Findmypast has just in the last few days revamped their site (for the worse > in my opinion) and in the process they seem to have managed to have broken > the link between the index returned in a search and the result > > I get a 404 on all searches > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >yes, I got the the results of the search via the home page. Barry > >> >> Mick >> >> Mariners List > > --

Hi Mick Findmypast has just in the last few days revamped their site (for the worse in my opinion) and in the process they seem to have managed to have broken the link between the index returned in a search and the result I get a 404 on all searches Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Barry > > I had a look on find My Past > http://www.findmypast.co.uk/XdbSearchCountServlet > There are 10 records for Thomas Connors on Crew Lists, unfortunately the > crew list page is not available. > You could contact Find My Past , see if the page has been moved or renamed. > > Mick > > Mariners List

Hi Barry I had a look on find My Past http://www.findmypast.co.uk/XdbSearchCountServlet There are 10 records for Thomas Connors on Crew Lists, unfortunately the crew list page is not available. You could contact Find My Past , see if the page has been moved or renamed. Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Laughton" <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: [MAR] merchant shipping ireland liverpool 1880-1910

Sorry about that, David. In the heat of the moment, one forgets to page down to note all the luggage! PK ________________________________ From: David Asprey <dasprey@blueyonder.co.uk> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 28 August, 2011 10:32:46 Subject: [MAR] Offsubject - housekeeping - please do not reply! May I please remind members to delete irrelevant material when replying to messages, especially when subscribing in digest mode (as I do). For example, in this morning's the real 2nd message is some 26 screen pages down, after passing at least two other "Message: 2". See below. David -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mariners-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 28 August 2011 08:00 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 275 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message