Hi Brenda, Further to Ron's reply, there is a photo of her under the name ESTHER in the book "The Hog Islanders" by Mark H. Goldberg ISBN 1-879-180-015 which also gives further details of the ship. It should be available on inter library loan, regards Ted On 23/09/2011 21:38, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > Brenda, > > As joint administrator with myself of Mariners' List, Mick correctly > pointed you towards our mailing list (as shown below). > > However, as your enquiry centres on Hartlepool, which is only a few > miles from where I live, I have taken it upon myself on this occasion to > "jump the gun" and answer your query direct, with a copy posted to > Mariners, whereby yet further information may surface. I am also copying > to a local shipping-interest forum TEESMARITIME. > > Checking Lloyd's Register the only MERIDIAN listed in 1952 was a > freighter registered in Panama. She was 4999 gross tons (a measure of > capacity rather than weight). > > It would be interesting if you know when during 1952 she was in drydock > at Hartlepool as I suspect she may have almost reached the end of her > working life as she arrived at Dunston on 28 March 1953 to be broken up. > Dunston is on the River Tyne, around 40 miles north of Hartlepool. > > She was completed in August 1919 by the American International SB Corp, > Hog Island, Philadelphia. Although not recorded as such in Lloyd's > Register current information on the internet indicates she was launched > with the name of SHAWANGUNK, but completed as the CORSON for American > Export Lines Inc. > (see also: http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/americanexport.htm) > Her subsequent was: 1928 renamed EXIRIA, 1941 renamed EXCHESTER, 1946 > renamed EXMOOR, 1946 sold to Parry Nav. Company renamed ESTHER, 1947 sold > to Montijo Company, Panama renamed MERIDIAN. > > Albeit a humble cargo ship her origins place her among a group of ships > known as Hog Islanders (after where she was built), a class of emergency > vessels actually not completed until after conclusion of WW1. A web > search for<hog islander ships corson> supplies a number of detailed > references, including an entry in Wikipedia! Although I have not yet > found a photo of your specific ship, there are several of similar > vessels included in such articles. > > Hope this is of interest? If you can supply any further details from > your own information of her time in Hartlepool then that would be of > personal interest to myself and other local ship researchers. > > Ron Mapplebeck > Middlesbrough, UK > Joint Administrator - Mariners' List > Moderator - Teesmaritime > ***** > On 23/09/2011 13:15, info@mariners wrote: >> Hi Brenda >> >> Sorry we are unable to take queries for information directly from the >> Mariners Web Site. I can however introduce you to or mailing list >> where our members will be more then happy to aid you in your search. >> To sign up to our list follow the instructions this page. >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/Mariners.html >> > Best Regards >> Mick O Rourke >> >> Mariners List >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:<brenda.turner1@bigpond.com> To: >> <info@mariners-l.co.uk> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:39 PM >> Subject: Mariners Website >> >> >> Hi I am trying to find out as much info about a ship called meridian >> it was in dry dock in Hartleppol in 1952. Regards Brenda Turner >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Brenda, As joint administrator with myself of Mariners' List, Mick correctly pointed you towards our mailing list (as shown below). However, as your enquiry centres on Hartlepool, which is only a few miles from where I live, I have taken it upon myself on this occasion to "jump the gun" and answer your query direct, with a copy posted to Mariners, whereby yet further information may surface. I am also copying to a local shipping-interest forum TEESMARITIME. Checking Lloyd's Register the only MERIDIAN listed in 1952 was a freighter registered in Panama. She was 4999 gross tons (a measure of capacity rather than weight). It would be interesting if you know when during 1952 she was in drydock at Hartlepool as I suspect she may have almost reached the end of her working life as she arrived at Dunston on 28 March 1953 to be broken up. Dunston is on the River Tyne, around 40 miles north of Hartlepool. She was completed in August 1919 by the American International SB Corp, Hog Island, Philadelphia. Although not recorded as such in Lloyd's Register current information on the internet indicates she was launched with the name of SHAWANGUNK, but completed as the CORSON for American Export Lines Inc. (see also: http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/americanexport.htm) Her subsequent was: 1928 renamed EXIRIA, 1941 renamed EXCHESTER, 1946 renamed EXMOOR, 1946 sold to Parry Nav. Company renamed ESTHER, 1947 sold to Montijo Company, Panama renamed MERIDIAN. Albeit a humble cargo ship her origins place her among a group of ships known as Hog Islanders (after where she was built), a class of emergency vessels actually not completed until after conclusion of WW1. A web search for <hog islander ships corson> supplies a number of detailed references, including an entry in Wikipedia! Although I have not yet found a photo of your specific ship, there are several of similar vessels included in such articles. Hope this is of interest? If you can supply any further details from your own information of her time in Hartlepool then that would be of personal interest to myself and other local ship researchers. Ron Mapplebeck Middlesbrough, UK Joint Administrator - Mariners' List Moderator - Teesmaritime ***** On 23/09/2011 13:15, info@mariners wrote: > Hi Brenda > > Sorry we are unable to take queries for information directly from the > Mariners Web Site. I can however introduce you to or mailing list > where our members will be more then happy to aid you in your search. > To sign up to our list follow the instructions this page. > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/Mariners.html > Best Regards > > Mick O Rourke > > Mariners List > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <brenda.turner1@bigpond.com> To: > <info@mariners-l.co.uk> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:39 PM > Subject: Mariners Website > > > Hi I am trying to find out as much info about a ship called meridian > it was in dry dock in Hartleppol in 1952. Regards Brenda Turner >

Hi Richard In 1881 there is a William PHILLIPS born Shabfleet Hamps 1862 Name: William Phillips Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Gender: Male Where born: Shabfleet, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Vessels County/Island: Royal Navy Country: England Street Address: "Hms Alexandra" Occupation: Ordinary Registration district: Royal Navy Sub-registration district: Royal Navy ED, institution, or vessel: Alexandra Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5635 Folio: 90 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age <snip> William Phillips 19 <snip> RG11; Piece: 5635; Folio: 90; Page: 11; GSU roll: 1342354. This mans service record can be downloaded for a fee from the National Archives Description Name Phillips, William Official Number: 102270 Place of Birth: Shabfleet, Hampshire Date 28 July 1861 Catalogue reference ADM 188/119links to the Catalogue Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services Piece 102001 - 102500 Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference Number of image files: 1 Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£) 271 / 767 PDF 1.2 1 88 1 3.50 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Trying to find information on the service career of William Phillips, in the Royal Navy, who I > believe signed up to H.M.S Alexandra in 1875, I suspect for a ten year engagement as he married an > English girl, Mary Ann Time, at the parish church in Senglia Malta on the 24th April 1885. > I believe that H.M.S Alexandra was the flagship of the Mediterranean Fleet at the time. > Any information on the service career or life of William Phillips,and H.M.S Alexandra would be > very much appreciated. > > Thank you > Richard Spicer

Trying to find information on the service career of William Phillips, in the Royal Navy, who I believe signed up to H.M.S Alexandra in 1875, I suspect for a ten year engagement as he married an English girl, Mary Ann Time, at the parish church in Senglia Malta on the 24th April 1885. I believe that H.M.S Alexandra was the flagship of the Mediterranean Fleet at the time. Any information on the service career or life of William Phillips,and H.M.S Alexandra would be very much appreciated. Thank you Richard Spicer

Ted Finch Thanks for your reply,have tried some of the sources you givebut as yetneed to deeper.Our parish records do not show where some of the names of those killedcame from which is surprising.I have details of the ship and photo and sinking. If I find Capt P.E.Williams association with Upton by Chester I will let you know Regards Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Finch" <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com>; <robertcleeves1@btinternet.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Fwd: SS Clan Mac Fadyen2 > Hi Robert and Nivard, > > Thanks for your swift reply, but this appears to be another P. Williams. > > British & Commonwealth Merchant Ship Losses by A. J. Tennent gives - > > Clan Macfadyen > 27.11.1942 torpedoed and sunk by U.508 in 08.57N 59.48W on voyage > Mauritius to the UK via Cape Town and Pernambuco and Trinidad with a cargo > of sugar, hemp and rum. The Master, Capt. Percy Edgar Williams, 82 crew > and 7 gunners were lost. 3 crew and 1 gunner were rescued from a raft by > the schooner Harvard and taken to Port of Spain, Trinidad. > > He is listed on the CWGC site at > http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2794114 but no > indication of his origin. > > There is a guide to tracing records of master mariners at > http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKMasters.html > > Hope this helps > regards > Ted > > > On 20/09/2011 11:09, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> As a small follow up , both Philip and Ethel are teachers in 1911, >> perhaps that is the common >> denominator regarding Chester ? >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> >>> Hi Ted >>> >>> Not sure if the poster thought they were a Maritime Captain but suspect >>> he may be an Army man >>> >>> The only Captain P WILLIAMS I could find as a casualty is the following >>> man who also turns out to >>> be a P E >>> >>> >>> Name: WILLIAMS, PHILIP ERNEST >>> Initials: P E >>> Nationality: United Kingdom >>> Rank: Captain >>> Regiment/Service: Royal Welsh Fusiliers >>> Unit Text: 19th Bn. >>> Age: 28 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >

New York Daily Tribune Apr 09, 1852 Norfolk, Wed. Apr 07, 1852 The Schr. Francis, from Newbern for New York, with a cargo of naval stores, put in with loss of bowsprit. nothing further reported.

Joe, I can't see any Eric Bisset listed on the Commonwealth War Graves site, so it would seem he, too, also survived the war (or, at least, was not "killed in action"). Ron Mapplebeck (UK) **** On 19/09/2011 06:50, Joe Bissett wrote: > I am trying to find additional information on a potential ship loss > during WWII. > > Although my Eric Bisset, born to James Bisset and Fanny Atherton in > Toxteth Park, Liverpool in 3Q1885 would have been age 59, this "could" > be him serving in the Royal Navy during WWII, perhaps as a high ranking > officer. > > It does not appear that the marriage actually took place, as it is not > listed in Free BMD. However, the Lancashire OPC records list the following: > > Banns: Christ Church, Kensington, Lancashire, England > Eric Bisset - B of H. M. S. Gazelle > Constance Mary Elizabeth Ward - S of This Parish > Banns Read: 8 Oct 1944, 2nd: 15 Oct 1944, 3rd: 22 Oct 1944 > Notes: [Line drawn through entry] > <<========================================= > Register: Banns 1943 - 1954, Page 29, Entry 58 > Source: LDS Film 1545852 > > I suspect that Eric's ship HMS Gazelle might have been lost in action, > with Eric as a casualty. > > Can anyone provide any additional information? > > Regards, Joe > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A bit before my time, the Irish Naval Service bought 3 Flower Class Corvettes from the Royal Navy in 1946-47 they were in service up to 1970. These vessels had a tough life on the West Coast used mainly in Fishery Protection . All three were scrapped at Passage West Cork 1970 - 71. HMS Borage became L.E. Macha HMS Oxlip became L.E.Maeve HMS Bellwort became L.E. Cliona http://www.military.ie/naval-service/history/past-ships Mick O Rourke Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: <AndyCAdams@aol.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:27 PM Subject: [MAR] Flower Class Corvettes > Dear List and Betty > > The majority of the Flower Class were in the Royal Navy and the Royal > Canadian Navy. However a limited number ended up in service with US Navy > in the > early period of America's entry into the war, and at least four French > vessels of this class ended up being taken over by the Kriegsmarine. As > far as > I am aware the sole remaining example is HMCS Sackville which is > preserved > in Canada having served the latter part of her active life with the RCMP. > > With reference to The Cruel Sea, so rapid was the scrapping programme of > these vessels after WWII that by 1953 the only active vessels in Europe at > the time of the making of the film were in the Royal Hellenic Navy and it > was > the Greek vessels which featured in the film > > Rgds > > Andy Adams > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edna, I found the following. All the vessels were likely to have been collier brigs operating in the coal trade from Cumberland ports to Dublin. The Samuel and Endeavour are listed in "A List of the Cumberland Shipping corrected to February 1840" by William Sawyers, Comptroller of Her Majesty's Customs at the Port of Whitehaven, republished by Michael Moon (Whitehaven, 1975, ISBN 0-904131-09-2) The Samuel was a 172 ton brig built at Maryport in 1793 by John Peat, owned by John Webster & others, commanded by Capt.John Rigby, registered at Whitehaven. This vessel, still registered at Whitehaven, was lost 31/12/1863 at Wicklow Head (from "Shipwreck Index of Ireland"). Endeavour was a 156 ton brig, built by John Wood at Rockliff in 1762, owned by Anthony Bell & others, master Capt.Thomas Collins. No Betsy listed, so presumably sold or lost between 1833 and 1840. Three brigs named Brothers registered at Whitehaven in 1840, one of which was long-lived, also lost off the Irish coast, and whose story is included here : http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/marhist/maryport/brothers.htm Success is not included in Jollie's Cumberland Directory 1811, in the list of vessels belonging to Whitehaven, but there was a Success registered at Harrington (snow, 145 tons), another at Maryport (brig 57 tons). Jollie's Guide is available on Google Books and lists your ancestor as Jonathan Harrison, joiner and cabinet-maker, of George-street, Whitehaven. A brig Success of Whitehaven, 134 tons, was run down in the River Liffey 29th April 1838 ("Shipwreck index of Ireland"). If you wish to pursue these histories further the share ownership of your ancestor will be listed in the Whitehaven Shipping Register, which is held at the Cumbria Record Office in Whitehaven. Best Wishes, Tim Latham www.mightyseas.co.uk On 17/09/2011 10:33 AM, edna palmer wrote: > I have just received the following information from family wills > Will proved 1806 of Jonathan Harrison joiner of Parton, 1 32nd share of > Ship "Success" to my son William Harrison > > Will proved 1833 Jonathan Harrison to my daughter Sarah Bowman, 1 32nd share > of each of the following vessels"Samuel" "Endeavour" "Betsy" > also 1 16th share of the Brig "Brothers" all of the Port of Whitehaven > > Thank you Edna Palmer > >

Hello Mick Yes I forgot about the vessels that entered the Irish Naval Service. Others were converted for service as Ocean Weather Ships and a considerable number were converted for whale catching in South Africa. Rgds Andy Adams

Greetings....to the List, I just wanted to throw this tad of info to whomever would be interested.... I have added four ship histories to my " Ship History Site " http://home.comcast.net/~cshortridge/site/ they are: SS CASSIUS HUDSON; SS CAPE CONSTANCE; SS CAPE MOHICAN; SS CEDAR MILLS. Bud & Mr. R.J. wish you well "MY BLOG" Naval & Merchant Ship Articles of Interest "SHIP HISTORIES" Liberty & Merchant Ship Histories

Greetings....to the List, I just wanted to throw this tad of info to whomever would be interested.... I have added four ship histories to my " Ship History Site " they are: SS CASSIUS HUDSON; SS CAPE CONSTANCE; SS CAPE MOHICAN; SS CEDAR MILLS. Bud & Mr. R.J. wish you well "MY BLOG" Naval & Merchant Ship Articles of Interest "SHIP HISTORIES" Liberty & Merchant Ship Histories

Hi Ted That explains why I could find him before, he is listed as Master rather than Captain on the CWGC I did wonder what the subject line was about but there was nothing to indicate in the post what it meant At least Philip Ernest WILLIAMS had an airing which is the least he deserves Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Robert and Nivard, > > Thanks for your swift reply, but this appears to be another P. Williams. > > British & Commonwealth Merchant Ship Losses by A. J. Tennent gives - > > Clan Macfadyen > 27.11.1942 torpedoed and sunk by U.508 in 08.57N 59.48W on voyage > Mauritius to the UK via Cape Town and Pernambuco and Trinidad with a > cargo of sugar, hemp and rum. The Master, Capt. Percy Edgar Williams, > 82 crew and 7 gunners were lost. 3 crew and 1 gunner were rescued from a > raft by the schooner Harvard and taken to Port of Spain, Trinidad. > > He is listed on the CWGC site at > http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2794114 but no > indication of his origin. > > There is a guide to tracing records of master mariners at > http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKMasters.html > > Hope this helps > regards > Ted

Hello Robert, Further to Nivard's posting, I take it that this is the Percy E. Williams, listed on the Upton-by-Chester War Memorial, from World War II? This is not a maritime topic, but a Percy Evan Williams, T. /Lt. and Acting Captain, was listed in the London Gazette Supplement dated 2 December 1918 for conspicuous gallantry (see supplement p.14269).  He served with the 16th Battalion Royal Welsh Fusiliers, but could find no mention of a death, nor that it was a posthumous award.  There was also a Percy Evan Williams who was married in Khartoum Cathedral, Sudan, in January 1938, but there's no mention of a Military Cross.  What all this might have to do with Upton-by-Chester is anyone's guess. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Ted Finch <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2011, 9:24 Subject: [MAR] Fwd: SS Clan Mac Fadyen2 Can anyone help with this request please? Ted -------- Original Message -------- Subject:     SS Clan Mac Fadyen2 Date:     Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:46:57 +0100 From:     robert cleeves <robertcleeves1@btinternet.com> To:     <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> Upton  by Chester Local History Group are interested in Capt P.E. Williams as his name appearson the village War Memorial but we cannot find any association with the village.Do you know if he came from this area or can you point out where we can find this out. Thanks for your help R Cleeves ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robert and Nivard, Thanks for your swift reply, but this appears to be another P. Williams. British & Commonwealth Merchant Ship Losses by A. J. Tennent gives - Clan Macfadyen 27.11.1942 torpedoed and sunk by U.508 in 08.57N 59.48W on voyage Mauritius to the UK via Cape Town and Pernambuco and Trinidad with a cargo of sugar, hemp and rum. The Master, Capt. Percy Edgar Williams, 82 crew and 7 gunners were lost. 3 crew and 1 gunner were rescued from a raft by the schooner Harvard and taken to Port of Spain, Trinidad. He is listed on the CWGC site at http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2794114 but no indication of his origin. There is a guide to tracing records of master mariners at http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKMasters.html Hope this helps regards Ted On 20/09/2011 11:09, Nivard Ovington wrote: > As a small follow up , both Philip and Ethel are teachers in 1911, perhaps that is the common > denominator regarding Chester ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Hi Ted >> >> Not sure if the poster thought they were a Maritime Captain but suspect he may be an Army man >> >> The only Captain P WILLIAMS I could find as a casualty is the following man who also turns out to >> be a P E >> >> >> Name: WILLIAMS, PHILIP ERNEST >> Initials: P E >> Nationality: United Kingdom >> Rank: Captain >> Regiment/Service: Royal Welsh Fusiliers >> Unit Text: 19th Bn. >> Age: 28 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear List and Betty The majority of the Flower Class were in the Royal Navy and the Royal Canadian Navy. However a limited number ended up in service with US Navy in the early period of America's entry into the war, and at least four French vessels of this class ended up being taken over by the Kriegsmarine. As far as I am aware the sole remaining example is HMCS Sackville which is preserved in Canada having served the latter part of her active life with the RCMP. With reference to The Cruel Sea, so rapid was the scrapping programme of these vessels after WWII that by 1953 the only active vessels in Europe at the time of the making of the film were in the Royal Hellenic Navy and it was the Greek vessels which featured in the film Rgds Andy Adams

As a small follow up , both Philip and Ethel are teachers in 1911, perhaps that is the common denominator regarding Chester ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Ted > > Not sure if the poster thought they were a Maritime Captain but suspect he may be an Army man > > The only Captain P WILLIAMS I could find as a casualty is the following man who also turns out to > be a P E > > > Name: WILLIAMS, PHILIP ERNEST > Initials: P E > Nationality: United Kingdom > Rank: Captain > Regiment/Service: Royal Welsh Fusiliers > Unit Text: 19th Bn. > Age: 28

Hi Ted Not sure if the poster thought they were a Maritime Captain but suspect he may be an Army man The only Captain P WILLIAMS I could find as a casualty is the following man who also turns out to be a P E Name: WILLIAMS, PHILIP ERNEST Initials: P E Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Captain Regiment/Service: Royal Welsh Fusiliers Unit Text: 19th Bn. Age: 28 Date of Death: 24/11/1917 Awards: M C Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Philip Williams; husband of Ethel Williams, of Glanyrafon, Treforest. Born at Treforest, Glam. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: VIII. E. 5. Cemetery: GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY Soldiers died Name: Philip Ernest Williams Death Date: 24 Nov 1917 Rank: Captain (T) Regiment: Royal Welsh Fusiliers Battalion: 19th Battalion Decoration: MC Type of Casualty: Died of wounds Probate Calendars 1918 WILLIAMS Philip Ernest of Glanyrafon Treforest Glamorganshire captain Royal Welsh Fusiliers died 24 November 1917 in France Administration London 12 February to Ethel Tegwen Williams widow Effects £191 7s 1d 1602 Supplement to the London Gazette 4 February 1918 T/Capt. Philip Ernest WILLIAMS. M.C., R.W. Fus. (M.C. gazetted 18th October 1917) marriage Name: Ethel T Richards Spouse Surname: Williams Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916 Registration district: Pontypridd Inferred County: Glamorgan Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 976 Name: Philip E Williams Spouse Surname: Richards Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916 Registration district: Pontypridd Inferred County: Glamorgan Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 976 births Name: Philip Ernest Williams Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1889 Registration district: Pontypridd Inferred County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan Volume: 11a Page: 423 Name: Ethel Tegwen Richards Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891 Registration district: Pontypridd Inferred County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan Volume: 11a Page: 520 I have not found an obvious link to the Chester area but that could come about due to a relative living there at the wars end or that Philip was there at some point Perhaps the above may provide some clues for the poster I have CC'd this in case they are not a subscriber to this list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Can anyone help with this request please? > > Ted > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: SS Clan Mac Fadyen2 > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:46:57 +0100 > From: robert cleeves <robertcleeves1@btinternet.com> > To: <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> > > > > Upton by Chester Local History Group are interested in Capt P.E. > Williams as his name appearson the village War Memorial but we cannot > find any association with the village.Do you know if he came from this > area or can you point out where we can find this out. > Thanks for your help > R Cleeves

Hi Andy, Betty and list, Further to Andy's posting about Flower Class Corvettes, my father served on the 'glamour' corvette, HMCS Kitchener. Why was it called the glamour corvette? The ship (respresenting a fictitious corvette called HMCS Donnacona) was featured in a surprisingly good 1943 Hollywood 'B' movie called Corvette K-225, which was nominated for an academy award for cinematography. The movie stars Randall Scott and it features the first on-screen appearance of Robert Mitchum, who was an unnamed 'extra'. It's not easy to find a copy of the movie, but it would be well worth the trouble for any of you wanting to learn more about corvettes because it gives a very accurate portrayal of life aboard a corvette. Here is a review: This may be the best of the World War II era submarine warfare movies made during the war. The captain, played by the always wonderful Randolph Scott (see him in "Gung Ho") has just lost an officer on a booby-trapped German sub - and then he comes across the always beautiful and luminous Ella Raines on shore who is the resentful sister of the dead officer. Scott meanwhile has to handle her somewhat irresponsible younger brother who is a new officer on Scott's Corvette. This may not be likely in reality, but it makes for a good dramatic situation. Some romance simmers with Scott and Raines (not too much!) before the Corvette sails. The convoy it protects and its captains from Allies all over the world is handled very well. Scott is masterful as the captain, and the battle scenes with the German U-boats are realistic and vicious. This is a gritty movie that gives a good depiction of the absolutely vital Battle of the Atlantic and the crucial role convoy escorts played in winning the war against Hitler. Here are two amusing footnotes to this story: Many Canadian Navy corvettes were based in Milford Haven, Wales. The ships often hosted dances, but when HMCS Kitchener was in port, it was the only ship the local girls wanted to go aboard because of its Hollywood connection. Corvettes were notoriously uncomfortable. My son once asked my father, "Grandpa, weren't you frightened of torpedos while you were in the North Atlantic?" Dad replied, "No Alex, we were all too busy throwing up!". Barbara in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: AndyCAdams@aol.com Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:33 am Subject: [MAR] Flower Class Corvettes To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Dear List and Betty > > The majority of the Flower Class were in the Royal Navy and the > Royal > Canadian Navy. However a limited number ended up in service with > US Navy in the > early period of America's entry into the war, and at least four > French > vessels of this class ended up being taken over by the > Kriegsmarine. As far as > I am aware the sole remaining example is HMCS Sackville > which is preserved > in Canada having served the latter part of her active life > with the RCMP. > > With reference to The Cruel Sea, so rapid was the scrapping > programme of > these vessels after WWII that by 1953 the only active vessels in > Europe at > the time of the making of the film were in the Royal > Hellenic Navy and it was > the Greek vessels which featured in the film > > Rgds > > Andy Adams > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can anyone help with this request please? Ted -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SS Clan Mac Fadyen2 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:46:57 +0100 From: robert cleeves <robertcleeves1@btinternet.com> To: <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> Upton by Chester Local History Group are interested in Capt P.E. Williams as his name appearson the village War Memorial but we cannot find any association with the village.Do you know if he came from this area or can you point out where we can find this out. Thanks for your help R Cleeves