Hello Listers The Union-Castle Staff Register website _www.unioncastlestaffregister.co.uk_ (http://www.unioncastlestaffregister.co.uk) "cannot be found". Does anyone know if it has been renamed or taken down please ? Regards Roy Elliott

Many thanks Ted,saved a journey to the library.Ted Nutt. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Ted Finch <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > Hi Ted, > > Yard No.43 > > Ted > > > > On 07/10/2011 12:40, Howard Nutt wrote: > > Many thanks Ted for the information.Trying now to find the yard > > number.T.nutt > > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Ted Finch > > <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > > > >> Hi Ted, > >> > >> MOUNT CARMEL > >> 1,686 g.t., launched Feb.1883 by Ramage& Ferguson, Leith for Smith& > >> Service, Glasgow. > >> 1899 sold to B. Scotto Lachianca, Naples > >> 3rd May 1916 sailed from Genoa for Pensacola, last sighted on 5th July > >> 1916 off Pensacola Bar and subsequently went missing. > >> [Schell Register of Sailing Ships 1880-1889] > >> > >> regards > >> Ted Finch > >> > >> > >> On 07/10/2011 10:27, Howard Nutt wrote: > >>> Morning,would anyone have details of the above named Iron Ship,after > her > >>> sale to Italian Owners in 1898. ON 87632.Thanks Ted > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ted, Yard No.43 Ted On 07/10/2011 12:40, Howard Nutt wrote: > Many thanks Ted for the information.Trying now to find the yard > number.T.nutt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Ted Finch > <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > >> Hi Ted, >> >> MOUNT CARMEL >> 1,686 g.t., launched Feb.1883 by Ramage& Ferguson, Leith for Smith& >> Service, Glasgow. >> 1899 sold to B. Scotto Lachianca, Naples >> 3rd May 1916 sailed from Genoa for Pensacola, last sighted on 5th July >> 1916 off Pensacola Bar and subsequently went missing. >> [Schell Register of Sailing Ships 1880-1889] >> >> regards >> Ted Finch >> >> >> On 07/10/2011 10:27, Howard Nutt wrote: >>> Morning,would anyone have details of the above named Iron Ship,after her >>> sale to Italian Owners in 1898. ON 87632.Thanks Ted >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Many thanks Ted for the information.Trying now to find the yard number.T.nutt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Ted Finch <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > Hi Ted, > > MOUNT CARMEL > 1,686 g.t., launched Feb.1883 by Ramage & Ferguson, Leith for Smith & > Service, Glasgow. > 1899 sold to B. Scotto Lachianca, Naples > 3rd May 1916 sailed from Genoa for Pensacola, last sighted on 5th July > 1916 off Pensacola Bar and subsequently went missing. > [Schell Register of Sailing Ships 1880-1889] > > regards > Ted Finch > > > On 07/10/2011 10:27, Howard Nutt wrote: > > Morning,would anyone have details of the above named Iron Ship,after her > > sale to Italian Owners in 1898. ON 87632.Thanks Ted > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ciao Mick, I have posted several collections if ships photoes on FB Alex alex442, alex442@virgilio.it 10/7/2011 ----- Messaggio ricevuto ----- Mittente: Mick Destinatario: mariners Data: 2011-10-06, 18:46:14 Oggetto: Re: [MAR] Shameless Self Promotion Correction to the address ( I am new to this Face Book thing ) http://www.facebook.com/pages/Irish-Shipwrecks/219780828082293#!/profile.php?id=100001627241375&sk=wall Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: [MAR] Shameless Self Promotion >I have recently set up a Face Book Page for Irish Shipwrecks. If any one > would like to join in find me here. > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Irish-Shipwrecks/219780828082293 > > > > Mick > > > www.irishshipwrecks.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ted, MOUNT CARMEL 1,686 g.t., launched Feb.1883 by Ramage & Ferguson, Leith for Smith & Service, Glasgow. 1899 sold to B. Scotto Lachianca, Naples 3rd May 1916 sailed from Genoa for Pensacola, last sighted on 5th July 1916 off Pensacola Bar and subsequently went missing. [Schell Register of Sailing Ships 1880-1889] regards Ted Finch On 07/10/2011 10:27, Howard Nutt wrote: > Morning,would anyone have details of the above named Iron Ship,after her > sale to Italian Owners in 1898. ON 87632.Thanks Ted > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Morning,would anyone have details of the above named Iron Ship,after her sale to Italian Owners in 1898. ON 87632.Thanks Ted

Ciao Mick, I have been on FB for a couple years or more. It can be fun if you have a lot fo friends. Best , Alex alex442, alex442@virgilio.it 10/7/2011 ----- Messaggio ricevuto ----- Mittente: Mick Destinatario: Mariners List Data: 2011-10-06, 15:07:57 Oggetto: [MAR] Shameless Self Promotion I have recently set up a Face Book Page for Irish Shipwrecks. If any one would like to join in find me here. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Irish-Shipwrecks/219780828082293 Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Correction to the address ( I am new to this Face Book thing ) http://www.facebook.com/pages/Irish-Shipwrecks/219780828082293#!/profile.php?id=100001627241375&sk=wall Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: [MAR] Shameless Self Promotion >I have recently set up a Face Book Page for Irish Shipwrecks. If any one > would like to join in find me here. > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Irish-Shipwrecks/219780828082293 > > > > Mick > > > www.irishshipwrecks.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have recently set up a Face Book Page for Irish Shipwrecks. If any one would like to join in find me here. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Irish-Shipwrecks/219780828082293 Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com

Hi, Does any list member have details on a ship called the Borston? I believe she was lost with all hands a little time prior to February 1905 - the only clue to her fate was a message in a bottle. Best wishes Paul -- Newly updated and revised: http://www.paullee.com/book_details.php

Hi Graham, My mistake.  You are absolutely right about the ship bringing in wool, and not sailing with it.  She was sailing from Adelaide to London, and my contemporary authority regarding wool was a report in the Huddersfield Daily Chronicle newspaper (30 March 1876, p.2), which ran a piece about arrivals of wool for the series of London Colonial Wool sales, and that the total from Adelaide had been 51,907 bales "exclusive of Coonatta".  Much I understand was salvaged from the wreck, but as to how much had been wool I could find no statement. My apologies for the slip. Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: Irene Read <irene.read4@btopenworld.com> To: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com>; mariners@rootsweb.com; kik <laamia3@netvigator.com> Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 13:28 Subject: Re: [MAR] Borealis Hi Peter, In 1876, taking wool to Australia must have been like Coals to Newcastle. Would this have been woolens i.e. woolen cloth  or made-up goods? Graham (husband of Irene) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <klein84@btinternet.com> To: "kik" <laamia3@netvigator.com> Cc: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Borealis Hello Ian, I'm delighted you found the information useful. Just to add a little bit, Borealis was an interesting vessel in that she was presumably built according to Thomas Bilbe's patent method of composite ship construction (iron frames, and probably teak planking), a patent he had taken out in August 1856. While Borealis no longer survives, the remains of a similar vessel, built by Bilbe in the previous year 1863, the Coonatto, a three-masted ship later barque of 633 tons, is to be found on the rocks just off Beachy Head. Pictures that can be seen online show what now remains of the hull; and an old picture of the Coonatto at Adelaide is also shown, although her rigging will be a little different from the Borealis. Coonatto came to grief at Crowlink off Beachy Head in February 1876, on her way to Australia with a cargo of copper and wool. See the attached: http://www.wrecksite.eu/imgBrowser.aspx?1816 and: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwassell/2480350668/ and: http://www.vic.org.uk/edu/sitefs/sitefs3.htm Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: kik <laamia3@netvigator.com> To: klein84@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 4:16 Subject: Borealis Dear Peter, Thank you so much for the information about the Borealis. I received your detailed response about seven hours after I asked the question. Amazing - both you and the technology. I am really, really grateful. You will have noted the Hong Kong link (Borealis and me). BTW there is a present-day company 'Borealis Maritime' whom I had speculatively written to for information. Mr. Liam Murray was interested but had to tell me that they named their company - which has branches in Hong Kong and Shanghai - after the aurora borealis and had not known of the ship. Nonetheless, I have taken the liberty of passing on to Mr. Murray the information you sent me, particularly as 'my' Borealis was in a very real sense the forerunner of their own business activities. I am now going to search for any kind of picture depicting a vessel matching the profile you gave. Ian Walters 29 Ko Tong Village Sai Kung Hong Kong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Yves, I am sending you,off list, three photos of Park ships during wartime. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: <Mariners@rootsweb.com>; <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Fw: Flags on Parks an also Canadian Ships and where tofind photos of Parks Hello Yves, Many pictures (though mostly postwar) in book: A GREAT FLEET OF SHIPS The Canadian Forts & Parks author - S. C. Heal published 1999 by Vanwell Publishing Limited, St. Catherines, Ontario, CANADA hardcover, 309 pages, lots of bl/wh photos ISBN: 1-55125-023-3 I have access to the book but no way of scanning images. Perhaps [worldcat.org] can locate a copy in a library accessible to you. Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 10/4/11, yves bertrand <Yves-Guy.Bertrand@wanadoo.fr> wrote: Hello dear Friends Please, another enquiry: I am looking for photos of Parks, mainly during the war, who could help me? Cheers Yves ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Yves, I have attached three photos of Park ships taken during wartime. They are scanned from a book so the quality is not too great but hopefully they are of interest to you. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: <Mariners@rootsweb.com>; <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Fw: Flags on Parks an also Canadian Ships and where tofind photos of Parks Hello Yves, Many pictures (though mostly postwar) in book: A GREAT FLEET OF SHIPS The Canadian Forts & Parks author - S. C. Heal published 1999 by Vanwell Publishing Limited, St. Catherines, Ontario, CANADA hardcover, 309 pages, lots of bl/wh photos ISBN: 1-55125-023-3 I have access to the book but no way of scanning images. Perhaps [worldcat.org] can locate a copy in a library accessible to you. Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 10/4/11, yves bertrand <Yves-Guy.Bertrand@wanadoo.fr> wrote: Hello dear Friends Please, another enquiry: I am looking for photos of Parks, mainly during the war, who could help me? Cheers Yves ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, In 1876, taking wool to Australia must have been like Coals to Newcastle. Would this have been woolens i.e. woolen cloth or made-up goods? Graham (husband of Irene) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <klein84@btinternet.com> To: "kik" <laamia3@netvigator.com> Cc: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Borealis Hello Ian, I'm delighted you found the information useful. Just to add a little bit, Borealis was an interesting vessel in that she was presumably built according to Thomas Bilbe's patent method of composite ship construction (iron frames, and probably teak planking), a patent he had taken out in August 1856. While Borealis no longer survives, the remains of a similar vessel, built by Bilbe in the previous year 1863, the Coonatto, a three-masted ship later barque of 633 tons, is to be found on the rocks just off Beachy Head. Pictures that can be seen online show what now remains of the hull; and an old picture of the Coonatto at Adelaide is also shown, although her rigging will be a little different from the Borealis. Coonatto came to grief at Crowlink off Beachy Head in February 1876, on her way to Australia with a cargo of copper and wool. See the attached: http://www.wrecksite.eu/imgBrowser.aspx?1816 and: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwassell/2480350668/ and: http://www.vic.org.uk/edu/sitefs/sitefs3.htm Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: kik <laamia3@netvigator.com> To: klein84@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 4:16 Subject: Borealis Dear Peter, Thank you so much for the information about the Borealis. I received your detailed response about seven hours after I asked the question. Amazing - both you and the technology. I am really, really grateful. You will have noted the Hong Kong link (Borealis and me). BTW there is a present-day company 'Borealis Maritime' whom I had speculatively written to for information. Mr. Liam Murray was interested but had to tell me that they named their company - which has branches in Hong Kong and Shanghai - after the aurora borealis and had not known of the ship. Nonetheless, I have taken the liberty of passing on to Mr. Murray the information you sent me, particularly as 'my' Borealis was in a very real sense the forerunner of their own business activities. I am now going to search for any kind of picture depicting a vessel matching the profile you gave. Ian Walters 29 Ko Tong Village Sai Kung Hong Kong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ian, I'm delighted you found the information useful.  Just to add a little bit, Borealis was an interesting vessel in that she was presumably built according to Thomas Bilbe's patent method of composite ship construction (iron frames, and probably teak planking), a patent he had taken out in August 1856.  While Borealis no longer survives, the remains of a similar vessel, built by Bilbe in the previous year 1863, the Coonatto, a three-masted ship later barque of 633 tons, is to be found on the rocks just off Beachy Head.  Pictures that can be seen online show what now remains of the hull; and an old picture of the Coonatto at Adelaide is also shown, although her rigging will be a little different from the Borealis.  Coonatto came to grief at Crowlink off Beachy Head in February 1876, on her way to Australia with a cargo of copper and wool. See the attached:   http://www.wrecksite.eu/imgBrowser.aspx?1816   and:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwassell/2480350668/  and: http://www.vic.org.uk/edu/sitefs/sitefs3.htm Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: kik <laamia3@netvigator.com> To: klein84@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 4:16 Subject: Borealis Dear Peter,   Thank you so much for the information about the Borealis.   I received your detailed response about seven hours after I asked the question. Amazing - both you and the technology.   I am really, really grateful.   You will have noted the Hong Kong link (Borealis and me).   BTW there is a present-day company 'Borealis Maritime' whom I had speculatively written to for information. Mr. Liam Murray was interested but had to tell me that they named their company - which has branches in Hong Kong and Shanghai - after the aurora borealis and had not known of the ship. Nonetheless, I have taken the liberty of passing on to Mr. Murray the information you sent me, particularly as 'my' Borealis was in a very real sense the forerunner of their own business activities.   I am now going to search for any kind of picture depicting a vessel matching the profile you gave.    Ian Walters 29 Ko Tong Village Sai Kung Hong Kong

Hello Peter, Sorry, there's more than two of us in the Far Flung. Regards, Iain Rogers (Lamma Island) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Monks" <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 20:38 Subject: Re: [MAR] 'Borealis' > How many Ian's in Hong Kong, maybe we might reestablish contact? Peter ex > NW Ontario ex ARETHUSA etc. > >

Any information please on the 'Borealis'? Type of ship? 920 tons. Abt. 1860-1880. Out of London. Thanks. Ian in Hong Kong.

Bonjour Yves It’s not my area, I’m afraid, but does this article help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ensign Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of yves bertrand Sent: 04 October 2011 16:55 To: Mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Fw: Flags on Parks an also Canadian Ships and where to findphotos of Parks Hello dear Friends Have you received my email because until now I don’t received any answer. Please, another enquiry: I am looking for photos of Parks, mainly during the war, who could help me? Cheers Yves From: yves bertrand Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:35 PM To: Mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Flags on Parks an also Canadian Ships Bonjour à Tou(te)s May I ask you, the Flags during the WW2 for the Canadian warships and merchant ships was the same for United Kingdom or specific for Canada? White – Blue – Red Ensign? For example for the Parks: - Ship for Canadian Government (Park SS Co. Ltd, mgrs) like MONTMORENCY PARK. - Ship for United Kingdom Ministry of War Transport (MOWT) William Dickinson & Co.Ltd, managers like CAMP DEBERT (launched as HECTOR PARK). Cheers Yves from France Please be indulgent with my bad english, thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello dear Friends Have you received my email because until now I don’t received any answer. Please, another enquiry: I am looking for photos of Parks, mainly during the war, who could help me? Cheers Yves From: yves bertrand Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:35 PM To: Mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Flags on Parks an also Canadian Ships Bonjour à Tou(te)s May I ask you, the Flags during the WW2 for the Canadian warships and merchant ships was the same for United Kingdom or specific for Canada? White – Blue – Red Ensign? For example for the Parks: - Ship for Canadian Government (Park SS Co. Ltd, mgrs) like MONTMORENCY PARK. - Ship for United Kingdom Ministry of War Transport (MOWT) William Dickinson & Co.Ltd, managers like CAMP DEBERT (launched as HECTOR PARK). Cheers Yves from France Please be indulgent with my bad english, thanks