----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com>; <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship Charles Marshall Hello Jerry, The CHARLES MARSHALL arrived New York from Liverpool 19 February, 1871 Source: SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE . Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Wednesday, March 8, 1871; Issue 9729 Perhaps she had been just overdue and "feared missing"? Regards, Adi Thanks Adi. I beginning to think maybe he went missing from the vessel instead of the vessel went missing. Jerry

Hello, I'm trying to find a record for Robert SYDEE who joined the Merchant Navy in England late in the 19th century or early in the 20th please. He was born in West Ham, Essex in 1884 and apparently jumped ship off the Australian coast some time before he married Elizabeth SCOTT in Sydney, NSW in 1915. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jan in beautiful Queensland

Hi Chris and Listers, Thanks so much for all the great info below. I was so impressed with all the good information I decided I needed my own personal copy of A.G.E. Jones book "Ships Employed in The South Seas Trade". It is a great reference book The problem was it raised a whole lot of new questions!!! I am no nearer to answering my original questions about James Phillips on the Syren but having a lot of fun trying to! I found a reference in Jones' book to another James Phillips who in 1795 was master of the "William" another ship owned by C & S Enderby. This started me wondering if this James was the father of my 5 * Grandfather drowned at sea in cir 1816 on the Syren also owned by C & S Enderby. The father/son relationship fits well based on the age difference, as do the first names and the Enderby connection. Is anyone aware of any crew records or records in general of C & S Enderby? Can some one tell me how I would best find out if they exit. Should I approach the TNA in England or some other source? Sorry if this becoming tedious for everyone on the list but I am finding the 'thrill of chase' fascinating. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Maxworthy To: Peter Phillips Cc: mariners-l Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, voyage 1816-18 Peter The offshore whaling trade had a strong influence from New England mariners. This link is to Google Books, and an article from the 1830's that provides a thorough description of the roles in a whaler. Yes, there was a hierarchy of progression within the whaling industry of that period. Whale oil, and particularly spermacetti oil, was the illuminant and lubricant of choice, until the advent of large scale mineral oil production (petroleum) from the mid 19th century. cheers chris On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Peter Phillips <pphillip@bigpond.com> wrote: Hi Chris, Thanks very much for all your help and your annotations below. As I said I am very ignorant of matters sailing! Is a line coiler a 'deckhand' who is responsible for coiling up the anchor ropes, sail ropes etc.? Is a boat steerer is someone who steered the boat out in the middle of an ocean and only had to worry about steering a constant course? If James was recorded as a mate in 1816 does that mean he was progressing up mariner's greasy pole'? Another quick question - do any of these job descriptions give a clue to his age? When I was over in England last year I went to TNA at Kew and I think I found the will for James Phillips but not a James Phillips from Middlesex. My James came from Pembrokshire in Wales and the beneficiary was noted as Diana - which I know to be his wife's name. I also found a petition to Trinity House in the London Archives that had a lot of detail about James's family which tied everything together really nicely. The big challenge I have is to find details of James's parents and his siblings and I was hoping something in all these shipping records would give me a clue. Thanks again for your help and also to Alex, Jenny and Julie for their help. I find it amazing how much knowledge you have all accumulated and your willingness to share it. Kind Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Maxworthy To: mariners-l Cc: Peter Phillips Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, voyage 1816-18 Peter Regarding your maritime ancestor James Phillips, mate of the Syren whaler. There is a Will at the TNA for a James Phillips, master mariner. Any chance this is your chap? Will of James Phillips, Master Mariner of Lucas Street, Commercial Road, Saint George , Middlesex 03 March 1817 ref: PROB 11/1590 If this is your chap then it implies that Probate was granted while the Syren was still on it's whaling voyage. I suppose it is possible, if say James drowned at the Cape Verde islands or Madeira on the outbound voyage, and news was passed via a returning ship. A copy of the Will should help answer this - only A$6. http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk Again, care of the Jones books, some other items on the career of a James Phillips are: 10 Dec 1798 - crew on the General Boyd whaler, capt Howes Swain. Phillips was line coiler. 30 April 1799 - whaler Aurora, capt Stephen Macey; again as line coiler. 16 Oct 1809 - whaler Charles, no capt named; served as Boat Steerer Also, the voyage of the Syren ended with its return to London on 4 Dec 1818 (LL 8.12.1818) CM On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Chris Maxworthy <cgmaxwor@gmail.com> wrote: Peter, I can help. The best reference for starting out on whaling voyages in the South Seas is A.G.E. Jones two books, Ships Employed on the South Seas Trade. Here's the ref to locate a Library near you that holds the two sets http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443 and http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956. "Mac" Jones packed a lot of information into the two books that were published by Roebuck Press, so it can take some time to gain the full value of his research. Here is a part of what I found in the shipping movements volume [with my translation in brackets]: 1816 29.3 Deal 26 Syren Christie to SS. [29 March 1816 issue of Lloyds List (LL) reports that the Syren, commanded by Christie, departed Deal for the South Seas (SS) three days earlier, on 26th] 1816 3.9. Syren to SS, all well, 14.5 x 3N. [3 Sept 1816 issue of LL - steering for the South Seas - the Syren is abeam of the Gulf of Guinea and about 200 miles SW of Sierra Leone] 1818 17.2. Sir Charles Price at Downs from Timor, sld, 16 Oct; left there Syren, Ranger, Ocean. Sir A. Hammond sld for England 10 days before Sir C. Price. [17 Feb 1818 issue of LL - The whaler Sir Charles Price, having arrived back from her voyage to the South Seas reported that the Syren and other whalers had been at Timor with her back in Oct 1817] A great source of LL Marine News is the digitized copies of LL performed by Michael Dun. go to http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/ Please note that AGE Jones also worked from the arrivals and departures intelligence in LL.. At this time this is not fully available in Michael's online resource - hence the possibility of Jones information not being locatable Michael's site. Other works of relevance are: John Cumpston's, Shipping arrivals and departures, Sydney, 1788-1825, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669 Robert Langdon; Where the whalers went : an index to the Pacific ports and islands visited by American whalers, and some other ships, in the 19th century, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681 Richards, Rhys (three books): Into the South Seas : the southern whale fishery comes of age on the Brazil Banks, 1765 to 1812 : a review of the whaling activities of American British, French, Spanish and Portuguese whalemen off Brazil and Patagonia before 1812, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824; Bay of Islands SAD [for NZ ship visits during 1803 to 1840's] http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094 ; and his more recent work Tahiti and the Society Islands : shipping arrivals and departures, 1767 to 1852, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183 I'm working on the edited publication of a sailor narrative who was a Mate and later Master of a whaler. Though he does not name the Siren he names other whalers that were in company with your ship of interest. I'm located in Sydney, so you can contact me offlist if you have any specific questions. regards Chris Maxworthy AAMH <SNIP> Peter wrote: Can anyone tell me what the best sources of information/references are available to research a whaler - The Syren. It was owned by C & S Enderby from London. Apart from any details on the ship itself, I am most interested in a voyage that left Portsmouth on Nov 25, 1817 under Capt. Christie to carry out whaling in the South Pacific off the Chilean coast. My GGGG Grandfather, James Phillips was a mate on this voyage but unfortunately drowned on the voyage. (Poetic justice???? - maybe but they where different times ) If anyone on the Mariners list can give me pointers to find out more information about the ship and James Phillips I would be most grateful. 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Good afternoon Listers, The sloop Elizabeth bound from Chester for London with a general cargo foundered in the Bristol Channel in 1757. She is described as being of "North Yarmouth". Initially I thought that this may refer to Great Yarmouth in order to distinguish it from Yarmouth, Isle of Wight, but there is a North Yarmouth in Maine USA.  Would a sloop make an Atlantic crossing I wonder. Best wishes, Carl Smith          www.shipwrecks-wales.co.uk

Carl Gt Yarmouth was often referred to as N. Yarmouth to distinguish it from Yarmouth I.O.W. I would suggest that a vessel on passage from Chester to London was from Gt Yarmouth, I doubt that she had been trading across the Atlantic. Rgds Andy Adams

Peter, I have a piece of Whalebone (5" X 7") carved with a hand drawn picture of a young lady with the name "Miss Adelaide Phillips" carved below the picture. (Skrimsaw, phonetic spelling) I know it's a long shot but could there be any connection? Ron Bartlett ronbart12@msn.com<mailto:ronbart12@msn.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Phillips<mailto:pphillip@bigpond.com> To: Chris Maxworthy<mailto:cgmaxwor@gmail.com> ; mariners-l<mailto:Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren,voyage 1816-18 Hi Chris and Listers, Thanks so much for all the great info below. I was so impressed with all the good information I decided I needed my own personal copy of A.G.E. Jones book "Ships Employed in The South Seas Trade". It is a great reference book The problem was it raised a whole lot of new questions!!! I am no nearer to answering my original questions about James Phillips on the Syren but having a lot of fun trying to! I found a reference in Jones' book to another James Phillips who in 1795 was master of the "William" another ship owned by C & S Enderby. This started me wondering if this James was the father of my 5 * Grandfather drowned at sea in cir 1816 on the Syren also owned by C & S Enderby. The father/son relationship fits well based on the age difference, as do the first names and the Enderby connection. Is anyone aware of any crew records or records in general of C & S Enderby? Can some one tell me how I would best find out if they exit. Should I approach the TNA in England or some other source? Sorry if this becoming tedious for everyone on the list but I am finding the 'thrill of chase' fascinating. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Maxworthy To: Peter Phillips Cc: mariners-l Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, voyage 1816-18 Peter The offshore whaling trade had a strong influence from New England mariners. This link is to Google Books, and an article from the 1830's that provides a thorough description of the roles in a whaler. Yes, there was a hierarchy of progression within the whaling industry of that period. Whale oil, and particularly spermacetti oil, was the illuminant and lubricant of choice, until the advent of large scale mineral oil production (petroleum) from the mid 19th century. cheers chris On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Peter Phillips <pphillip@bigpond.com<mailto:pphillip@bigpond.com>> wrote: Hi Chris, Thanks very much for all your help and your annotations below. As I said I am very ignorant of matters sailing! Is a line coiler a 'deckhand' who is responsible for coiling up the anchor ropes, sail ropes etc.? Is a boat steerer is someone who steered the boat out in the middle of an ocean and only had to worry about steering a constant course? If James was recorded as a mate in 1816 does that mean he was progressing up mariner's greasy pole'? Another quick question - do any of these job descriptions give a clue to his age? When I was over in England last year I went to TNA at Kew and I think I found the will for James Phillips but not a James Phillips from Middlesex. My James came from Pembrokshire in Wales and the beneficiary was noted as Diana - which I know to be his wife's name. I also found a petition to Trinity House in the London Archives that had a lot of detail about James's family which tied everything together really nicely. The big challenge I have is to find details of James's parents and his siblings and I was hoping something in all these shipping records would give me a clue. Thanks again for your help and also to Alex, Jenny and Julie for their help. I find it amazing how much knowledge you have all accumulated and your willingness to share it. Kind Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Maxworthy To: mariners-l Cc: Peter Phillips Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, voyage 1816-18 Peter Regarding your maritime ancestor James Phillips, mate of the Syren whaler. There is a Will at the TNA for a James Phillips, master mariner. Any chance this is your chap? Will of James Phillips, Master Mariner of Lucas Street, Commercial Road, Saint George , Middlesex 03 March 1817 ref: PROB 11/1590 If this is your chap then it implies that Probate was granted while the Syren was still on it's whaling voyage. I suppose it is possible, if say James drowned at the Cape Verde islands or Madeira on the outbound voyage, and news was passed via a returning ship. A copy of the Will should help answer this - only A$6. http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk<http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk> Again, care of the Jones books, some other items on the career of a James Phillips are: 10 Dec 1798 - crew on the General Boyd whaler, capt Howes Swain. Phillips was line coiler. 30 April 1799 - whaler Aurora, capt Stephen Macey; again as line coiler. 16 Oct 1809 - whaler Charles, no capt named; served as Boat Steerer Also, the voyage of the Syren ended with its return to London on 4 Dec 1818 (LL 8.12.1818) CM On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Chris Maxworthy <cgmaxwor@gmail.com<mailto:cgmaxwor@gmail.com>> wrote: Peter, I can help. The best reference for starting out on whaling voyages in the South Seas is A.G.E. Jones two books, Ships Employed on the South Seas Trade. Here's the ref to locate a Library near you that holds the two sets http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443> and http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956>. "Mac" Jones packed a lot of information into the two books that were published by Roebuck Press, so it can take some time to gain the full value of his research. Here is a part of what I found in the shipping movements volume [with my translation in brackets]: 1816 29.3 Deal 26 Syren Christie to SS. [29 March 1816 issue of Lloyds List (LL) reports that the Syren, commanded by Christie, departed Deal for the South Seas (SS) three days earlier, on 26th] 1816 3.9. Syren to SS, all well, 14.5 x 3N. [3 Sept 1816 issue of LL - steering for the South Seas - the Syren is abeam of the Gulf of Guinea and about 200 miles SW of Sierra Leone] 1818 17.2. Sir Charles Price at Downs from Timor, sld, 16 Oct; left there Syren, Ranger, Ocean. Sir A. Hammond sld for England 10 days before Sir C. Price. [17 Feb 1818 issue of LL - The whaler Sir Charles Price, having arrived back from her voyage to the South Seas reported that the Syren and other whalers had been at Timor with her back in Oct 1817] A great source of LL Marine News is the digitized copies of LL performed by Michael Dun. go to http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/<http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/> Please note that AGE Jones also worked from the arrivals and departures intelligence in LL.. At this time this is not fully available in Michael's online resource - hence the possibility of Jones information not being locatable Michael's site. Other works of relevance are: John Cumpston's, Shipping arrivals and departures, Sydney, 1788-1825, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669> Robert Langdon; Where the whalers went : an index to the Pacific ports and islands visited by American whalers, and some other ships, in the 19th century, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681> Richards, Rhys (three books): Into the South Seas : the southern whale fishery comes of age on the Brazil Banks, 1765 to 1812 : a review of the whaling activities of American British, French, Spanish and Portuguese whalemen off Brazil and Patagonia before 1812, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824>; Bay of Islands SAD [for NZ ship visits during 1803 to 1840's] http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094> ; and his more recent work Tahiti and the Society Islands : shipping arrivals and departures, 1767 to 1852, http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183> I'm working on the edited publication of a sailor narrative who was a Mate and later Master of a whaler. Though he does not name the Siren he names other whalers that were in company with your ship of interest. I'm located in Sydney, so you can contact me offlist if you have any specific questions. regards Chris Maxworthy AAMH <SNIP> Peter wrote: Can anyone tell me what the best sources of information/references are available to research a whaler - The Syren. It was owned by C & S Enderby from London. Apart from any details on the ship itself, I am most interested in a voyage that left Portsmouth on Nov 25, 1817 under Capt. Christie to carry out whaling in the South Pacific off the Chilean coast. My GGGG Grandfather, James Phillips was a mate on this voyage but unfortunately drowned on the voyage. (Poetic justice???? - maybe but they where different times ) If anyone on the Mariners list can give me pointers to find out more information about the ship and James Phillips I would be most grateful. 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Hi Adi Your messages are coming in duplecate . you are sending to both Mariners-L@rootsweb.com and mariners@rootsweb.com Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com>; <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship Charles Marshall Hello Jerry, The CHARLES MARSHALL arrived New York from Liverpool 19 February, 1871 Source: SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE . Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Wednesday, March 8, 1871; Issue 9729 Perhaps she had been just overdue and "feared missing"? Regards, Adi --- On Sun, 10/16/11, Jerry Titus <jatitus@eastlink.ca> wrote: Hi Folks, I have a newspaper report of a ship named Charles Marshall of Liverpool, which went missing in February 1871 on passage from Liverpool to New York. There was a fellow from Yarmouth, NS on the ship but I suspect the name of the ship is incorrect as I cannot find any reference to same. This apparently was not the Charles H. Marshall, which was clearly afloat after 1871. The only vessel I can find missing on passage from Liverpool to New York in February 1871 in the Centurion of New York. Anyone know of a Liverpool vessel missing in February 1871 that could be mistaken for the Charles Marshall. Jerry Titus Yarmouth, NS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mick,   My apologies. Twitchy fingers. I will delete one address from the book.   Regards, Adi --- On Wed, 10/19/11, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: Hi Adi Your messages are coming in duplecate . you are sending to both  Mariners-L@rootsweb.com  and  mariners@rootsweb.com Mick Mariners List

Hello Jerry,   The CHARLES MARSHALL arrived New York from Liverpool 19 February, 1871 Source: SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE . Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Wednesday, March 8, 1871; Issue 9729   Perhaps she had been just overdue and "feared missing"?   Regards, Adi   --- On Sun, 10/16/11, Jerry Titus <jatitus@eastlink.ca> wrote: Hi Folks, I have a newspaper report of a ship named Charles Marshall of Liverpool, which went missing in February 1871 on passage from Liverpool to New York. There was a fellow from Yarmouth, NS on the ship but I suspect the name of the ship is incorrect as I cannot find any reference to same. This apparently was not the Charles H. Marshall, which was clearly afloat after 1871. The only vessel I can find missing on passage from Liverpool to New York in February 1871 in the Centurion of New York. Anyone know of a Liverpool vessel missing in February 1871 that could be mistaken for the Charles Marshall. Jerry Titus Yarmouth, NS.

Hello Maria, The only ship named Mosser I have was a 1,921 gross ton cargo steamer, o.n.85167 built 1882 by Richardon Duck, Thornaby and owned by Shaw Bushby & Co, Liverpool. 1895 sold to G. Lavarello, Italy renamed Aurelia, 1901 sold to G. Moumoutzis, Greece renamed Joannis Moumoutzis, 1905 sold to A. Gafos, Greece renamed Tinios Stavros, 2nd May 1908 wrecked at Paleohora, Crete. Some crew lists for this ship are available via http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/searchcombinedcrews.php Enter 85167 in the Official Number box to find which years are available. Crew agreements usually indicate the name of his previous ship, so you can work your way back. regards Ted On 17/10/2011 10:25, Mick wrote: > Posting on behalf of Maria Konarska > > Dear sirs, My great grandfather was a Bosun when sailing. I want to find > out the ship he was on in 1881. He could have been on a ship named BRAMPTON. > Otherwise he could have been at sea in 1891 on a ship called the MOSSER. > These ships are not in your indexes and I am unable to find the ship's > numbers. Grandfather's name was William Donaldson, born in 1849 in > Scotland.He married in Cardiff in 1877 and never returned to Scotland. I > am trying to build a Family History tree and would be most grateful for any > clues you can give me. The only other clue I have is that his father was > named GEORGE. Many thanks for your kind attention. Maria > Konarska (Aged 85) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Posting on behalf of Maria Konarska Dear sirs, My great grandfather was a Bosun when sailing. I want to find out the ship he was on in 1881. He could have been on a ship named BRAMPTON. Otherwise he could have been at sea in 1891 on a ship called the MOSSER. These ships are not in your indexes and I am unable to find the ship's numbers. Grandfather's name was William Donaldson, born in 1849 in Scotland.He married in Cardiff in 1877 and never returned to Scotland. I am trying to build a Family History tree and would be most grateful for any clues you can give me. The only other clue I have is that his father was named GEORGE. Many thanks for your kind attention. Maria Konarska (Aged 85)

My goodness me. Thanks a million Harold. That's simply spectacular. I have no idea whatsoever how you did it. (Don't tell). I don't believe I shall ever forget the elation I felt reading your message. Ian

Hi Folks, I have a newspaper report of a ship named Charles Marshall of Liverpool, which went missing in February 1871 on passage from Liverpool to New York. There was a fellow from Yarmouth, NS on the ship but I suspect the name of the ship is incorrect as I cannot find any reference to same. This apparently was not the Charles H. Marshall, which was clearly afloat after 1871. The only vessel I can find missing on passage from Liverpool to New York in February 1871 in the Centurion of New York. Anyone know of a Liverpool vessel missing in February 1871 that could be mistaken for the Charles Marshall. Jerry Titus Yarmouth, NS.

Hi Ian- The Hong Kong Daily Press from 23 Jan 1865 reports the Borealis, Brit. sh. 920, Henderson, arrived in Hong Kong on 21 Jan, having left London on Sept 12th. The Hong Kong Daily Press from 3 Mar 1865 reports the Borealis cleared Hong Kong on the 2nd of March, and the March 4th issue has it departed on 3rd of March. The Singapore Straits Times issue from 25 Mar 1865 reports in shipping in Harbor that the Borealis arrived March 17th from Hong Kong and was discharging. The Singapore Straits Times issues from 8 Apr 1865, 15 Apr, 22 Apr and 29 Apr, and 8th May still show the ship in harbor in Singapore. By the 15th of May, the ship is no longer in port. The Hong Kong Daily press from July 12 reports Borealis, British Ship, arrived at Hong Kong from the Westward, at 5 PM. The next issue reports that the Borealis, Brit. sh. 920, Alex. Henderson, arrived from Rangoon where it departed the 12th of June, with rice. The Hong Kong Daily Press from 19 Oct 1865 reports the Borealis cleared HK on Oct 18 for Singapore. The departure does not appear to be listed. The Singapore Straits Times from 6 Nov 1865, page 2 reports the Borealis 920 tons, Henderson, arrived from Hong Kong, 20th of October. Last listed in harbor in the Singapore Straits Times in the 29 Nov 1865 issue. I cannot find a departure but that is not unusual with the Singapore records which tend to be erratic. Hope that helps - Rhonda On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM, <Hwabz@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Ian ~ > > > The following newspaper blurbs recount the maiden voyage of Borealis from > London to Hong Kong, Singapore, Rangoon and Home: > London Daily News, Monday, Sept. 12, 1864 > Sailed, Sept. 11, Borealis to Hong Kong > Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, Mar. 15, 1865 > Borealis, Henderson, at Hong Kong, 21 Jan., from London > Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, May 3, 1865 > Borealis, Henderson, left Hong Kong, 3 (March), for Singapore > Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, June 2, 1865 > Borealis, Henderson, at Rangoon, 16 April, from Hong Kong > Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, Aug. 30, 1865 > Borealis, at Hong Kong, 11 (July) from Singapore > Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, Sept. 13, 1865 > Borealis, Henderson, at Hong Kong, 12 July, from Rangoon > Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, Dec. 20, 1865 > Borealis, Henderson, at Singapore, 4 Nov., from Hong Kong > Glasgow Herald, Friday, June 29, 1866 > Arrived Falmouth ~ June 27 > Borealis, Henderson, from Rangoon > All the best, > Harold > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ian ~ The following newspaper blurbs recount the maiden voyage of Borealis from London to Hong Kong, Singapore, Rangoon and Home: London Daily News, Monday, Sept. 12, 1864 Sailed, Sept. 11, Borealis to Hong Kong Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, Mar. 15, 1865 Borealis, Henderson, at Hong Kong, 21 Jan., from London Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, May 3, 1865 Borealis, Henderson, left Hong Kong, 3 (March), for Singapore Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, June 2, 1865 Borealis, Henderson, at Rangoon, 16 April, from Hong Kong Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, Aug. 30, 1865 Borealis, at Hong Kong, 11 (July) from Singapore Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, Sept. 13, 1865 Borealis, Henderson, at Hong Kong, 12 July, from Rangoon Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, Dec. 20, 1865 Borealis, Henderson, at Singapore, 4 Nov., from Hong Kong Glasgow Herald, Friday, June 29, 1866 Arrived Falmouth ~ June 27 Borealis, Henderson, from Rangoon All the best, Harold

Peter's kind research (October 5th) on the Bilbe-built Borealis mentioned her maiden voyage as possibly being recorded in London newspapers on or about September 11th 1864, with a possible destination of Hong Kong. I have been looking and looking, but can't find any reference to that voyage, nor to any specific call at Hong Kong at any time. The wonderful Trove records in Australia do have a good deal of information about this Borealis in Australian waters, as part of her repeated voyages London-Sydney-Shanghai. BTW, Trove's newspapers of the period are enthralling. I'm new to the Trove system, but it's surely a model for any archive. What a triumph. But I'm still missing the maiden voyage of Bilbe's Borealis and missing any reference to her and Hong Kong. Hong Kong's Public Records Office can find nothing. Further help will be greatly appreciated. - from one Ian in Hong Kong

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Thanks Paul As a family problem seems to be the cause of the website being taken down I won't pursue my enquiry any further but hope that it will return. Roy

Thanks Alan As a family problem seems to be the reason for the website to have been taken down I won't pursue my enquiry any further and hope that it will return. Roy