You can check with the national archives who retain records of seamens services. Try http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=first_name%3dhenry%7clast_name%3dharper&catid=15&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=* which will list records for Henry Harper. Regards Brian On 25/10/2011 09:20, Frank Early wrote: > Greetings all > > One of my forebears, Henry James HARPER, was a lifer in the Royal Navy. His > discharge certificate states that his rate was PO1C, (Petty Officer 1st > Class?) with 3 Good Conduct badges, Character: V.Good, Trade: Sea. He was > "Shore Pensioned" 30 Sept 1874 at the age of 63 in Simon's Town, Cape of > Good Hope. His Pension No was 5.507. But, the document names only the last > ship on which he served before being pensioned: HMS Flora between 1 Jan 1873 > and 30 Sept 1874. > > Is it possible to access his full service history and, if so, how? > > Best wishes > > Frank > South Africa > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 76 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4570 - Release Date: 10/23/11 > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4572 - Release Date: 10/24/11

Greetings all One of my forebears, Henry James HARPER, was a lifer in the Royal Navy. His discharge certificate states that his rate was PO1C, (Petty Officer 1st Class?) with 3 Good Conduct badges, Character: V.Good, Trade: Sea. He was "Shore Pensioned" 30 Sept 1874 at the age of 63 in Simon's Town, Cape of Good Hope. His Pension No was 5.507. But, the document names only the last ship on which he served before being pensioned: HMS Flora between 1 Jan 1873 and 30 Sept 1874. Is it possible to access his full service history and, if so, how? Best wishes Frank South Africa -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 76 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Joan >what is Cap. Mast? The Captain of the Mast was the equivalent of a 2nd Class Working Petty Officer....see the pay scales for about 1860 to see where this comes from : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/RN/Pay_and_Condns/Pay_1860_Ratings.htm for 1870 pay scales see : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Navy_List_1870/Pay.html As you can probably see from the Pay Tables and the different number of Petty Officers' titles ie Capt of the Forecastle, and Capt of the Afterguard (Quaterdeck) etc. the ship was divided up into sections for maintenance and responsibility for the personnel working in that section of the ship, for the cleanliness, the ropes and sails etc., so assuming that the "Mast" was the Mainmast I would assume that it was that "part of ship," as they say, that you man was responsible for ie between the f'csle and the quarterdeck, often known as the waist. An interesting section from British Napoleonic Ship-Of-The-Line By Angus Konstam, Tony Bryan can be found in Google Books : <http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Og_73Qn8jp8C&pg=PT23&lpg=PT23&dq=%22Watch+bill%22+part+of+ship&source=bl&ots=tjJ47K_N36&sig=S4Ss-tj61uw7wTZWbN4_tcPMJhQ&hl=en&ei=63OlTonnF47D8QPD_KXxBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Watch%20bill%22%20part%20of%20ship&f=false> which explains how a ship's company was organised. This is for an earlier period, but it hadn't changed a lot for your period of interest as most ships still had sails even if they had an steam engine. Paul On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:30:11 +1000, "Joan & Peter Gibbs" <joan.peter.gibbs.3@bigpond.com> wrote: >My great grandfather John Geil (also known as Gill, Giel, even Gest) served on the Barrosa from June 1869 when he was 32 years old to July 1875. I have downloaded a photograph of the Barrosa’s crew taken in 1871 from Walker Archive www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/cruisers.htm showing a crew of 17 sailors. The Barrosa was a Corvette 1700 tons with a complement of 275 therefore my chances of John being on this particular photo are extremely slim. Is there any way I can narrow the odds or able to name the 17 sailors? Or are there any other photos of the crew? During his time on this ship he served as Able Seaman, Leading Seaman and Cap. Mast, what is Cap. Mast? Grateful for any information, thank you, Joan Gibbs. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Sorry Howard, the correct spelling is Castletown, Isle of Man. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Nutt" <howard.nutt@sky.com> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: [MAR] Castleton > Morning Mick,hit he wrong key. castleton Isle of Man.Ted > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the great response I have just had a lesson in geography thanks Piers I finally found Kilcatherine a few miles above Ballydonagan and at the opposite side of the Beara Peninsula we have the largest town in the area Castletown or Castletownbere. So this puts us in West Cork and not Cornwall after all. I have this one listed on my website already but new information surfaced a few days ago to suggest she left Hayle on the 15th and foundered on the 16th my first guess was that she was still on the south coast of England after one day sailing so my search started in Cornwall. Now that I have found Kilcatherine which is where the News Papers reported wreckage ashore I think that's evidence enough for me. I think the 16th is probably a guess by the Shipping Master at Hayle as there were no survivors. How far could she travel in a day ? The distance is about 200 nautical miles, on the 15th and 16th the wind was East South East so sailing at about 8 knots she could get there in a day or a day and a half. From the 15th to the 20th of March I have 14 other vessels lost on the coast of Cork as a result of an S / E Atlantic Gale which she most likely got caught up in and sealed her fate. The detail is very important for me, while the Wreck may have been reported bodies coming ashore in later weeks would not always hit the head lines, they would have be buried by the Coast Guard or Lloyds Agent . There are countless grave stones to known and unknown sailors around the coasts of Britain and Ireland and the detail we tease out may help some one find the burial site of a lost ancestor . Thanks for all the Help. Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:53 AM Subject: [MAR] Schooner Pencalenick "Castleton" > Hi Listers > I am researching a vessel which was lost on the 16th of March 1867, Having > left Hayle, Cornwall on the 15th, > I have a report which says stern board washed ashore at Castleton. > Checked Google Maps, checked the sea charts can't find find it, Where the > heck is "Castleton". > It has to be one day sail from Hayle ? . > > The Schooner Pencalenick O.N 13414 was listed in the Board of Trade Wreck > Returns as lost near Kil Catherine or Kilcatherine, Ballydonegan Co Cork > with the loss of her crew in March 1867. Other evidence says she was lost > closer to home. > > According to the Port of Hayle "Account of Voyages and Crew of Home Trade > Ship, To Be Delivered Half-Yearly to the Shipping Master at the Above > Port": > the Pencalenick was lost on March 16th, 1867 during a heavy gale. Her > stern > board was picked up at Castleton. > > Mick > > www.irishshipwrecks.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great grandfather John Geil (also known as Gill, Giel, even Gest) served on the Barrosa from June 1869 when he was 32 years old to July 1875. I have downloaded a photograph of the Barrosa’s crew taken in 1871 from Walker Archive www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/cruisers.htm showing a crew of 17 sailors. The Barrosa was a Corvette 1700 tons with a complement of 275 therefore my chances of John being on this particular photo are extremely slim. Is there any way I can narrow the odds or able to name the 17 sailors? Or are there any other photos of the crew? During his time on this ship he served as Able Seaman, Leading Seaman and Cap. Mast, what is Cap. Mast? Grateful for any information, thank you, Joan Gibbs.

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Rather nearer is Castletownbere on the west shore of Bantry Bay in County Cork, whose name seems to take various forms including Castletown Bear. Castletownbere IS also on the Beara Peninsula, though on the other side of the Peninsula to Kilcatherine (as far as I can make out). Mind you, if the wreckage was washed up in May, and the vessel was lost in March, it sounds not unreasonable that it might have ended up on both sides of the same peninsula. That would require a more detailed knowledge of the local currents than I can easily get from Google though.... Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mick Sent: 24 October 2011 00:54 To: Mariners List Subject: [MAR] Schooner Pencalenick "Castleton" Hi Listers I am researching a vessel which was lost on the 16th of March 1867, Having left Hayle, Cornwall on the 15th, I have a report which says stern board washed ashore at Castleton. Checked Google Maps, checked the sea charts can't find find it, Where the heck is "Castleton". It has to be one day sail from Hayle ? . The Schooner Pencalenick O.N 13414 was listed in the Board of Trade Wreck Returns as lost near Kil Catherine or Kilcatherine, Ballydonegan Co Cork with the loss of her crew in March 1867. Other evidence says she was lost closer to home. According to the Port of Hayle "Account of Voyages and Crew of Home Trade Ship, To Be Delivered Half-Yearly to the Shipping Master at the Above Port": the Pencalenick was lost on March 16th, 1867 during a heavy gale. Her stern board was picked up at Castleton. Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning Mick,hit he wrong key. castleton Isle of Man.Ted

Hi Mick, I've read a couple of reports that the Pencalenick was carrying a cargo of Norway timbers and machinery for Ballydonegan, and by May 23rd 1867 "some identified fragments of the wreck" had been washed ashore at Kil Catherine, on the Beara Peninsular, close to the presumed course of the Pencalenick (Royal Cornwall Gazette, 23 May 1867, p.6).  I am wondering whether Castletownsend might not be too far around the coast to be a likely candidate, even if the vessel had been pounded to bits? Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> To: Mariners List <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011, 0:53 Subject: [MAR] Schooner Pencalenick "Castleton" Hi Listers I am researching a vessel which was lost on the 16th of March 1867, Having left Hayle, Cornwall on the 15th, I have a report which says stern board washed ashore at Castleton. Checked Google Maps, checked the sea charts can't find find it, Where the heck is "Castleton". It has to be one day sail from Hayle ? . The Schooner Pencalenick O.N 13414 was listed in the Board of Trade Wreck Returns as lost near Kil Catherine or Kilcatherine, Ballydonegan Co Cork with the loss of her crew in March 1867.  Other evidence says she was lost closer to home. According to the Port of Hayle "Account of Voyages and Crew of Home Trade Ship, To Be Delivered Half-Yearly to the Shipping Master at the Above Port": the Pencalenick was lost on March 16th, 1867 during a heavy gale.  Her stern board was picked up at Castleton. Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Mick Castletown, Portland Dorset? However, I have no idea how far one can sail in a day. Clare Oxford, UK In a message dated 24/10/2011 08:07:14 GMT Daylight Time, mariners-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi Listers I am researching a vessel which was lost on the 16th of March 1867, Having left Hayle, Cornwall on the 15th, I have a report which says stern board washed ashore at Castleton. Checked Google Maps, checked the sea charts can't find find it, Where the heck is "Castleton". It has to be one day sail from Hayle ? . The Schooner Pencalenick O.N 13414 was listed in the Board of Trade Wreck Returns as lost near Kil Catherine or Kilcatherine, Ballydonegan Co Cork with the loss of her crew in March 1867. Other evidence says she was lost closer to home. According to the Port of Hayle "Account of Voyages and Crew of Home Trade Ship, To Be Delivered Half-Yearly to the Shipping Master at the Above Port": the Pencalenick was lost on March 16th, 1867 during a heavy gale. Her stern board was picked up at Castleton. Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com

Hi Listers I am researching a vessel which was lost on the 16th of March 1867, Having left Hayle, Cornwall on the 15th, I have a report which says stern board washed ashore at Castleton. Checked Google Maps, checked the sea charts can't find find it, Where the heck is "Castleton". It has to be one day sail from Hayle ? . The Schooner Pencalenick O.N 13414 was listed in the Board of Trade Wreck Returns as lost near Kil Catherine or Kilcatherine, Ballydonegan Co Cork with the loss of her crew in March 1867. Other evidence says she was lost closer to home. According to the Port of Hayle "Account of Voyages and Crew of Home Trade Ship, To Be Delivered Half-Yearly to the Shipping Master at the Above Port": the Pencalenick was lost on March 16th, 1867 during a heavy gale. Her stern board was picked up at Castleton. Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com

I have been surprised this week, to come upon an item in the Otago Daily Times, NZ , dated 12 July 1865, from which I learnt that my G-Grandfather, WILLIAM WYLIE NEISH was living in Dunedin , New Zealand (at least in the years 1863-1865-1867). From the articles I learnt that he was the 'half owner of the Rose' (also referred to as THE LIGHTER ROSE) and that BENJAMIN COLEMAN, was Master, at that time. While there were many Ship-owners in the family, never have I seen William so noted. Might someone have advise for me, where I might find anything about this Ship and/or Voyages, his shares or the Captain ? Much obliged for any and all help. It has me puzzled. Barbara Neish Bermuda

Ian, Can't help with your 19\866 query, but I note he appears on the Borealis in 1868 and on other later ships in "Ships and Mariners in Australian waters". There is a scan of the 1868 Borealis list here: http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1868/05/007bor.htm regards Chris in Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "kik" <laamia3@netvigator.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:40 PM Subject: [MAR] William Shepperd - ship's steward I am piecing together the seaman/ship's-steward/hotelier career of my great-grandfather William Shepperd (Shephard/Shepherd). He was born in Colchester around 1842, although his stated age doesn't always suggest a birth in that year. The earliest I have him is 1868 aboard the Borealis as ship's steward in Australia and Shanghai. [And my thanks to those who helped me get this far]. BTW, 1868 was the year that his daughter, my grandmother Annie, was born back in Colchester, just about at the very time her Dad was sailing into Shanghai. Our own daughter is expecting her first child, our first grandchild, five weeks from now. The Borealis had made a long, long maiden voyage to Hong Kong, Singapore and Rangoon, starting from London on September 11th 1864 and returning home in 1866, but unfortunately I have not found William aboard. I have what appears to be an entry for him as ordinary seaman William Sheppard in the 1861 census of 'LIST of the CREW and OTHERS on BOARD of the SHIP or VESSEL called the.. William Franses...[???] of [maybe meaning 'off'?] Colchester'. I just can't read the writing of the vessel's name and hope someone can figure out who she might be. The name of the vessel and of her seven-member crew are listed in the 1861 Census at RG09 Piece 4449 Folio 58 Page 1. Any other thoughts would be gratefully received. Ian in Hong Kong

Greetings, Speaking as a retiree, I peruse the messages with delight, having spent two sessions in hospital earlier this year it reinforced my desire to catch up on what was happening. The knowledge of the members and willingness to share makes my day. Thank you one and all for your time and information. Peter in Edmonton. On 2011-10-22, at 4:55 PM, "Dr. Paul Lee" <paul@paullee.com> wrote: > Dear all, > It has been fun perusing the fine discussions on this forum over the last > few years, but sadly the time > has come for me to, perhaps, temporarily, depart. It has been fun and I wish > you all the best. > On a slightly "trumpet-blowing" theme, I'd like to say that my book on the > Titanic (yes, that > perennial sea-chest of stories!) and the Californian, ("The Ship That Stood > Still") is still available > in paperback, kindle and epub formats: see > http://www.paullee.com/book_details.php > > Best to you all > > Paul x > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all, It has been fun perusing the fine discussions on this forum over the last few years, but sadly the time has come for me to, perhaps, temporarily, depart. It has been fun and I wish you all the best. On a slightly "trumpet-blowing" theme, I'd like to say that my book on the Titanic (yes, that perennial sea-chest of stories!) and the Californian, ("The Ship That Stood Still") is still available in paperback, kindle and epub formats: see http://www.paullee.com/book_details.php Best to you all Paul x

Thanks for going to all that trouble, Peter. I was hoping to find the immigration details, though. Thanks anyway, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Phillips" <pphillip@bigpond.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] SYDEE, Robert > Hi Jan, > > I have found a couple of general entries but no nautical entries for a > Robert Sydee so I hope it is still of interest to you..... > > The 1930 and 1933 Australian electoral rolls show a Robert Alfred Sydee and > Elizabeth Sydee living in Pittwater Road, St Ives. His occupation is given > as labourer. > > Under BDM his marriage to "Gelzabeth Scott" which I presume is a > transcription error and should be Elizabeth Scott was noted as 1915 in > Hornsby NSW. The NSW BDM (for a small fee) would have a copy of their > marriage certificate which have a lot more information such as parents names > exact date of their marriage and details of the location. > > Also I found an entry for the death of a Robert A Sydee in 1933 in > Chatswood NSW. His father's name is Robert B and his mother is Emma. > Similarly his death certificate would have more details and available from > NSW BDM Office. I cannot be sure this is your man but seems to fit. This > matches with his death notice I found in Trove... > > http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=robert+sydee&l-title=The+Sydney+Morning+Herald...%7Ctitleid%3A35 > > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:13 PM > Subject: [MAR] SYDEE, Robert > > >> Hello, >> I'm trying to find a record for Robert SYDEE who joined the Merchant >> Navy in England late in the 19th century or early in the 20th please. He >> was born in West Ham, Essex in 1884 and apparently jumped ship off the >> Australian coast some time before he married Elizabeth SCOTT in Sydney, >> NSW in 1915. >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Jan >> in beautiful Queensland >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4562 - Release Date: 10/19/11 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am piecing together the seaman/ship's-steward/hotelier career of my great-grandfather William Shepperd (Shephard/Shepherd). He was born in Colchester around 1842, although his stated age doesn't always suggest a birth in that year. The earliest I have him is 1868 aboard the Borealis as ship's steward in Australia and Shanghai. [And my thanks to those who helped me get this far]. BTW, 1868 was the year that his daughter, my grandmother Annie, was born back in Colchester, just about at the very time her Dad was sailing into Shanghai. Our own daughter is expecting her first child, our first grandchild, five weeks from now. The Borealis had made a long, long maiden voyage to Hong Kong, Singapore and Rangoon, starting from London on September 11th 1864 and returning home in 1866, but unfortunately I have not found William aboard. I have what appears to be an entry for him as ordinary seaman William Sheppard in the 1861 census of 'LIST of the CREW and OTHERS on BOARD of the SHIP or VESSEL called the.. William Franses...[???] of [maybe meaning 'off'?] Colchester'. I just can't read the writing of the vessel's name and hope someone can figure out who she might be. The name of the vessel and of her seven-member crew are listed in the 1861 Census at RG09 Piece 4449 Folio 58 Page 1. Any other thoughts would be gratefully received. Ian in Hong Kong

Hi Jan, I have found a couple of general entries but no nautical entries for a Robert Sydee so I hope it is still of interest to you..... The 1930 and 1933 Australian electoral rolls show a Robert Alfred Sydee and Elizabeth Sydee living in Pittwater Road, St Ives. His occupation is given as labourer. Under BDM his marriage to "Gelzabeth Scott" which I presume is a transcription error and should be Elizabeth Scott was noted as 1915 in Hornsby NSW. The NSW BDM (for a small fee) would have a copy of their marriage certificate which have a lot more information such as parents names exact date of their marriage and details of the location. Also I found an entry for the death of a Robert A Sydee in 1933 in Chatswood NSW. His father's name is Robert B and his mother is Emma. Similarly his death certificate would have more details and available from NSW BDM Office. I cannot be sure this is your man but seems to fit. This matches with his death notice I found in Trove... http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=robert+sydee&l-title=The+Sydney+Morning+Herald...%7Ctitleid%3A35 Hope this helps. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:13 PM Subject: [MAR] SYDEE, Robert > Hello, > I'm trying to find a record for Robert SYDEE who joined the Merchant > Navy in England late in the 19th century or early in the 20th please. He > was born in West Ham, Essex in 1884 and apparently jumped ship off the > Australian coast some time before he married Elizabeth SCOTT in Sydney, > NSW in 1915. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Jan > in beautiful Queensland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4562 - Release Date: 10/19/11 >

Hi Ron, Great thought! Unfortunately not that I know of. I have no females called Adelaide on the family tree. It would have made an unbelievable story if there was connection! Thanks anyway Peter My direct family did settle in Adelaide Australia which is still a originally f. It would have been a great connection if ----- Original Message ----- From: "RONALD BARTLETT" <ronbart12@msn.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren,voyage 1816-18 > Peter, > > I have a piece of Whalebone (5" X 7") carved with a hand drawn picture of > a young lady with the name "Miss Adelaide Phillips" > > carved below the picture. (Skrimsaw, phonetic spelling) I know it's a > long shot but could there be any connection? > > Ron Bartlett > ronbart12@msn.com<mailto:ronbart12@msn.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Phillips<mailto:pphillip@bigpond.com> > To: Chris Maxworthy<mailto:cgmaxwor@gmail.com> ; > mariners-l<mailto:Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:19 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren,voyage > 1816-18 > > > Hi Chris and Listers, > > Thanks so much for all the great info below. I was so impressed with all > the good information I decided I needed my own personal copy of A.G.E. > Jones book "Ships Employed in The South Seas Trade". It is a great > reference book The problem was it raised a whole lot of new questions!!! > > I am no nearer to answering my original questions about James Phillips on > the Syren but having a lot of fun trying to! > > I found a reference in Jones' book to another James Phillips who in 1795 > was master of the "William" another ship owned by C & S Enderby. This > started me wondering if this James was the father of my 5 * Grandfather > drowned at sea in cir 1816 on the Syren also owned by C & S Enderby. The > father/son relationship fits well based on the age difference, as do the > first names and the Enderby connection. > > Is anyone aware of any crew records or records in general of C & S > Enderby? Can some one tell me how I would best find out if they exit. > Should I approach the TNA in England or some other source? > > Sorry if this becoming tedious for everyone on the list but I am finding > the 'thrill of chase' fascinating. > > Regards > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Maxworthy > To: Peter Phillips > Cc: mariners-l > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, > voyage 1816-18 > > > Peter > > The offshore whaling trade had a strong influence from New England > mariners. This link is to Google Books, and an article from the 1830's > that provides a thorough description of the roles in a whaler. > Yes, there was a hierarchy of progression within the whaling industry > of that period. Whale oil, and particularly spermacetti oil, was the > illuminant and lubricant of choice, until the advent of large scale > mineral oil production (petroleum) from the mid 19th century. > cheers > chris > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Peter Phillips > <pphillip@bigpond.com<mailto:pphillip@bigpond.com>> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Thanks very much for all your help and your annotations below. As I > said I am very ignorant of matters sailing! Is a line coiler a 'deckhand' > who is responsible for coiling up the anchor ropes, sail ropes etc.? Is a > boat steerer is someone who steered the boat out in the middle of an ocean > and only had to worry about steering a constant course? > > If James was recorded as a mate in 1816 does that mean he was > progressing up mariner's greasy pole'? Another quick question - do any of > these job descriptions give a clue to his age? > > When I was over in England last year I went to TNA at Kew and I think > I found the will for James Phillips but not a James Phillips from > Middlesex. My James came from Pembrokshire in Wales and the beneficiary > was noted as Diana - which I know to be his wife's name. I also found a > petition to Trinity House in the London Archives that had a lot of detail > about James's family which tied everything together really nicely. > > The big challenge I have is to find details of James's parents and > his siblings and I was hoping something in all these shipping records > would give me a clue. > > Thanks again for your help and also to Alex, Jenny and Julie for > their help. I find it amazing how much knowledge you have all accumulated > and your willingness to share it. > > Kind Regards > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Maxworthy > To: mariners-l > Cc: Peter Phillips > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, > voyage 1816-18 > > > Peter > > Regarding your maritime ancestor James Phillips, mate of the Syren > whaler. There is a Will at the TNA for a James Phillips, master mariner. > Any chance this is your chap? > Will of James Phillips, Master Mariner of Lucas Street, Commercial > Road, Saint George , Middlesex 03 March 1817 ref: PROB 11/1590 > If this is your chap then it implies that Probate was granted while > the Syren was still on it's whaling voyage. I suppose it is possible, if > say James drowned at the Cape Verde islands or Madeira on the outbound > voyage, and news was passed via a returning ship. A copy of the Will > should help answer this - only A$6. > http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk<http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk> > > Again, care of the Jones books, some other items on the career of a > James Phillips are: > 10 Dec 1798 - crew on the General Boyd whaler, capt Howes Swain. > Phillips was line coiler. > 30 April 1799 - whaler Aurora, capt Stephen Macey; again as line > coiler. > 16 Oct 1809 - whaler Charles, no capt named; served as Boat Steerer > Also, the voyage of the Syren ended with its return to London on 4 > Dec 1818 (LL 8.12.1818) > > CM > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Chris Maxworthy > <cgmaxwor@gmail.com<mailto:cgmaxwor@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Peter, > I can help. The best reference for starting out on whaling > voyages in the South Seas is A.G.E. Jones two books, Ships Employed on the > South Seas Trade. Here's the ref to locate a Library near you that holds > the two sets > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443> > and > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956>. > "Mac" Jones packed a lot of information into the two books that > were published by Roebuck Press, so it can take some time to gain the full > value of his research. Here is a part of what I found in the shipping > movements volume [with my translation in brackets]: > 1816 29.3 Deal 26 Syren Christie to SS. > [29 March 1816 issue of Lloyds List (LL) reports that the Syren, > commanded by Christie, departed Deal for the South Seas (SS) three days > earlier, on 26th] > > 1816 3.9. Syren to SS, all well, 14.5 x 3N. > [3 Sept 1816 issue of LL - steering for the South Seas - the > Syren is abeam of the Gulf of Guinea and about 200 miles SW of Sierra > Leone] > > 1818 17.2. Sir Charles Price at Downs from Timor, sld, 16 > Oct; left there Syren, Ranger, Ocean. Sir A. Hammond sld for England 10 > days before Sir C. Price. > [17 Feb 1818 issue of LL - The whaler Sir Charles Price, having > arrived back from her voyage to the South Seas reported that the Syren and > other whalers had been at Timor with her back in Oct 1817] > > A great source of LL Marine News is the digitized copies of LL > performed by Michael Dun. > go to > http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/<http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/> > Please note that AGE Jones also worked from the arrivals and > departures intelligence in LL.. At this time this is not fully available > in Michael's online resource - hence the possibility of Jones information > not being locatable Michael's site. > > Other works of relevance are: > John Cumpston's, Shipping arrivals and departures, Sydney, > 1788-1825, > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669> > > Robert Langdon; Where the whalers went : an index to the Pacific > ports and islands visited by American whalers, and some other ships, in > the 19th century, > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681> > > Richards, Rhys (three books): > Into the South Seas : the southern whale fishery comes of age on > the Brazil Banks, 1765 to 1812 : a review of the whaling activities of > American British, French, Spanish and Portuguese whalemen off Brazil and > Patagonia before 1812, > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824>; > Bay of Islands SAD [for NZ ship visits during 1803 to 1840's] > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094> ; > and his more recent work > Tahiti and the Society Islands : shipping arrivals and > departures, 1767 to 1852, > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183> > > I'm working on the edited publication of a sailor narrative who > was a Mate and later Master of a whaler. Though he does not name the > Siren he names other whalers that were in company with your ship of > interest. I'm located in Sydney, so you can contact me offlist if you > have any specific questions. > regards > Chris Maxworthy > AAMH > > > <SNIP> Peter wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the best sources of > information/references are > available to research a whaler - The Syren. It was owned by C & S > Enderby > from London. Apart from any details on the ship itself, I am > most > interested in a voyage that left Portsmouth on Nov 25, 1817 under > Capt. > Christie to carry out whaling in the South Pacific off the > Chilean coast. My > GGGG Grandfather, James Phillips was a mate on this voyage but > unfortunately drowned on the voyage. (Poetic justice???? - maybe > but they > where different times ) > > If anyone on the Mariners list can give me pointers to find out > more > information about the ship and James Phillips I would be most > grateful. > > Regards > Peter Phillips > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/> > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3822 - Release Date: > 08/08/11 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/> > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3826 - Release Date: 08/10/11 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4562 - Release Date: 10/19/11 >