Hello Everyone I am researching Captain John Dibbs who I understand was Captain of the East Indiaman 'Lady Mary Blackwood' which was lost near Valparaiso, probably around 1833-34. I have looked in Farrington's book 'Catalogue of EIC SHips Logs and Journals 1600-1834' and have not noticed the ship nor the captain mentioned. Any suggestions for further research would be gratefully received. Many thanks Caroline

Rowan Blackman in "Ships of the East India Company" lists a a LADY BLACKWOOD, 263 tons bm, built at Calcutta in 1821 for Cockerill & Co. She was licensed by the HEIC under the system which existed after the Company lost its monopoly of trade to India in 1813. Peter Beeston -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Gaden Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 10:40 AM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Capt John Dibbs Hello Everyone I am researching Captain John Dibbs who I understand was Captain of the East Indiaman 'Lady Mary Blackwood' which was lost near Valparaiso, probably around 1833-34. I have looked in Farrington's book 'Catalogue of EIC SHips Logs and Journals 1600-1834' and have not noticed the ship nor the captain mentioned. Any suggestions for further research would be gratefully received. Many thanks Caroline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help throw any light on my G-G-Grandfather Henry LAWS 1800-1880 1833 Master of Barque "Blanche" London - St.Kitts 1834 Master of Barque "Blanche" London - St.Kitts 1835 Master of Barque "Blanche" London - St.Kitts 1836 Master of Barque "Blanche" London - St.Kitts 1837 Master of Barque "Blanche" London - St.Kitts 1838 Master of Brig "William Fulcher" London - Nevis 1839 Master of Brig "William Fulcher" London - Nevis 1840 Master of Brig "William Fulcher" London - Nevis 1841 Master of Brig "William Fulcher" London - Nevis 1842 Master of Brig "William Fulcher" London -West Indies Pochley 1858-74 Master of "Barque "Nautilus" London - West Indies Blythe/Green 1875-83 Master of "Barque "Nautilus" London - West Indies Binney (the entries for years 1880-1883 in Lloyds registers is odd as he had died 1880) Can anyone tell me anything about his employer Blythe & Greene? There are earlier records on Lloyds List that refer to Captain LAWS Is there any way of confirming a link His son Robert Henry LAWS Master of the Barque "WOOLHAMPTON CASTLE" this ship was sold to Norway and renamed "Adonis" but beached at Tybee Beach, Savannah, Georgia, America. Is there any way of getting a report or a crew list for the ADONIS and her unfortunate accident. There is a tale in the family that another son Joseph LAWS also Master Mariner who lost his ticket for throwing a crew member overboard, and later went as mate to his brother, is there any way of proving or disproving this. I discovered in the LMA that Joseph had his ticket suspended one year for being drunk in charge of a vessel. John P Laws. (Member 674, of GOONS since 1984) registrar@lawsfamilyregister.org.uk Researching LAW, LAWES, LAWS, LAWSE worldwide since 1974.

Dear List Members, Further to my posting about Joseph Richard Middleton, I have gathered a little more information. He arrived in Australia in 1836, being noted as a first officer in the India trade. He remained in Australia until 1844, and two years after his return he was noted as a master mariner on a baptism certificate. If I have the correct brother, he was reputed to have bought a ship. I could not find anything in the India Office records that would help. Perhaps someone can point me in the right direction? Barbara

Most certainly they had Lieutenants in the Royal Marines : First Lieutenants and Second Lieutenants according to Steel's List of 1805, but Sea going soldiers are not on my agenda and I've not indexed them. I found references to a number of Army officers who were Lieutenants with the appropriate surname in Google Books, but ignored that angle too, In the early years of the Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars ISTR reading that ordinary Pongos, the RN nickname for Army personnel, were used on board ship during the early years of the wars as there were insufficient numbers of Marines to man the ships during the early years of the war, but as the war progressed I gather that the Pongos were replaced by Marines as they were recruited, but I have no date-line as to how this progressed, but imagine that by the turn of the Century most Army personnel would have been replaced ? Paul On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:33:13 -0000, "Piers Smith-Cresswell" <piers@ps-c.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Might he have been a Royal Marine, or didn't they have Lieutenants in those >days? > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Piers, Thankyou for your hard work digging all this out. You have given me plenty of leads to follow up that I am on with now. I want to find out what happened to him after his insolvency in 1900. Would it have affected his position as Captain of a vessel? Would he be discharged, and if so would the record of this be with the shipping company he worked for, or be registered in England? I had noted the bump with the Elginshire, but forgot to include it in my request. Kind Regards, Paul Sent from my Windows Phone _________________________________________________________________ From: Piers Smith-Cresswell Sent: 11/10/2011 3:49 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Charles Teft Lau(w)rence (1845-?), master mariner Did you see he had another bump with the Vlissengen in 1892? [1]http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/16219.asp?vie w=t ext Plenty on "Vlissingen" on Trove. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/16219.asp?view=t

Dear list Thank you Wendy, Peter and Paul for taking the time to responded to my request for information on Lieut. Walsh. I'm much obliged. Following on from your responses I have gone back to my family to see if there is any more information on Lieut. Walsh. Hopefully there is and if so I will post it on the List. I do know that he married Catherine O'Donnell of Donegal and that he died on the 25th November 1825. That's about it.      Kind Regards Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: mariners-request@rootsweb.com To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2011 8:00:09 AM Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 349 Today's Topics:    1. Off the coast of  Namibia (Ms Betty Fredericks)    2. Joseph Richard Middleton (Ellis)    3.  (Se?n)    4. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Wendy Settle)    5. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Peter Klein)    6. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Paul Benyon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:10:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ms Betty Fredericks <bbffrrpp@yahoo.com> Subject: [MAR] Off the coast of  Namibia To: "Mariners@rootsweb.com" <Mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:         <1320833448.32232.YahooMailNeo@web114501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, Once a year, "Matt" from the "TODAY" show on TV? visits many countries around the world - for one week.??? Yesterday,? he visited? Namibia in South Africa,? and the Skeleton Coast.?????? One of the things he mentioned is that there are at least 2? .skeletons.? of ships sitting in the desert.???? He asked why they were in the desert, and the answer was -? that was where the coastline was at the time those ships ran aground.????? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia#Coastal_Desert One example of a rusted, ship skeleton is shown on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Coast The Skeleton Coast?????????????is the northern part of the Atlantic Ocean coast of Namibia and south of Angola from the Kunene River south to the Swakop River, although the name is sometimes used to describe the entire Namib Desert coast. The Bushmen of the Namibian interior called the region "The Land God Made in Anger", while Portuguese sailors once referred to it as "The Gates of Hell". and The coast is named for the bleached whale and seal bones which covered the shore when the whaling industry was still active, as well as the skeletal shipwrecks caused by rocks offshore in the fog. More than a thousand vessels of various sizes and areas litter the coast. Notable wrecks in the region include the Eduard Bohlen, the Otavi, the Dunedin Star, and Tong Taw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_ship Just an FYI for you. Betty???????????? (near Lowell, MA, USA) (on Lists for 10 yrs.;? now an Admin for 9 Lists) FYI:??? My? great-great-grandfather, Evan CORKILL, was a mariner? (1827-maybe 1900) and was involved with shipping of some sort from the Isle of Man and Liverpool and Whitehaven, England.???? He lost his wife ~1872, and, when his 5 young children were being "shipped to Canada" as part of the "UK's Child Migrant Scheme,"? he was - on his way to Africa.???? I don't know anything about what kinds of ships he sailed on,? and whether he sailed to many areas around the world from 1850's to 1880's.) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:56:39 +1000 From: "Ellis" <johnbarb1@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Joseph Richard Middleton To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <101C844A71514C18977CC9A6A5FB6A4D@BarbaraPC1> Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="UTF-8" In 1846, J R Middleton described himself as a master mariner on his daughter?s baptism record in India. Another reference to him said he was a Captain in the Honourable East India Company?s Service. He was born in 1809, so possibly arrived in India c1829. He married Louisa Leigh in 1834, left India in 1836, and returned in 1844, where he remained until his death in 1865. I am keen to find any reference to him as a mariner. Barbara ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID:         <2215809.18497.1320858893391.JavaMail.root@webmailbox101.eircom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:27:49 -0800 From: Wendy Settle <wsettle@pcc.edu> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:         <27AB116E9FF2854F941683557ABE9AB8835A84BD8A@ex.elc.pcc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Do you have his first name? -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Se?n Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:15 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:57:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:         <1320865026.56591.YahooMailNeo@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Sean Lt. Walsh does not seem to appear on the HMS Victory Muster Roll (see attached link)?http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=87. ?There were two landsmen aboard during the battle named "Welsh", but they would seem unrelated. This would not preclude Lieutenant Walsh being at Trafalgar, so he could have been aboard one of the other ships at the battle. ?There were 24 other ships of the line, four frigates, and a few smaller vessels to choose from. ?According to the National Archives website, 18 men named Walsh have been listed as serving during the battle, see: ?http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/results.asp?page=1. ?Sadly none of them are listed as being a Lieutenant. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 17:14 Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:21:58 +0000 From: Paul Benyon <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <lgllb7teln6d0sb8ai62rv3q5kbkvnhe01@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Se?n I see that Steel's List of the Royal Navy for May 1805 had 2 Lieutenants by the name of Walsh : Walsh, Arch., whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1796 and Walsh, John, whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1783 Neither of these officers are noted as serving at sea when the List was published. I don't know which officer the following notes from the Naval Chronicle refer to or whether there may have been another officer with this name around at the time : Note 1 : from  Vol 2 of the Naval chronicle 20 Nov 1799, Portsmouth, arrived the Pelter, Lt. Walsh, from the Texel, having been ashore on the Dutch coast, and was sent into harbour for a refit, having lost her anchor, cables and false keel. She arrived with survivors from the Dutch frigate  Valk/Voolk, wrecked on the Island of Ameland. Note 2 : I've not read it properly, but in Vol 7 of the Naval chronicle in Google Books there appears to be a Lieutenant Walsh who was called as a witness at a Court Martial circa 1801-02, on men from HMS Temeraire : ISTR reading some years ago this Court Martial was of some importance, but forget the nature of it, although it would appear that most of the men involved were sentenced to die.  But, the important thing here is that the Temeraire went on to serve alongside the Victory at Trafalgar, but I don't know if Lt. Walsh was still on board on 21 Oct 1805 when the Battle of Trafalgar took place.   So what we can say is that an officer with the name of Lieutenant Walsh probably served on board a ship that would, in due course, be at Trafalgar, but whether he was still on board at the time is another question altogether.  This is often how stories grow legs and get embroidered ..... :-) FWIW Paul On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT), Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> wrote: > > >Dear List, > > > >I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? > > >Thank you and a ll the b est, > >Se?n > > > > >Thank you and a ll the b est, > >Se?n > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50? 33' N, 2? 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 349 ****************************************

Did you see he had another bump with the Vlissengen in 1892? http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/16219.asp?view=t ext Plenty on "Vlissingen" on Trove.

Hello Paul >From the Index to Lloyd's Captains Register letter "L" http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capsL.pdf : LAURENCE Charles Teft b. Louth 1845 C93015 London 1877 Vol 21 1877-79; Vol 36 1880-1884; Vol 51 No voyages listed. This is evidently your man. He passed as a master in London in 1877 and was granted certificate number C93015. He appears at least once in the handwritten ledgers for the two volumes of the Captains register in the periods 1877-79 and 1880-1884 (in volume 51, his name is in, but there were no voyages notified. This may be because he had emigrated to Australia and Lloyd's information as to voyages originating there isn't too good). The ledgers should list voyages he sailed on, either as master or mate, after he obtained his "ticket"; giving the name of the vessel, its official number, and approximate destination. It won't be comprehensive, because it will contain only those voyages details of which were notified to Lloyd's. However it may narrow down the point at which the family emigrated to Australia. Should you wish, you may be able to track down copies of the relevant Crew Agreements for the voyages in question. These can tell you quite a lot, if you are prepared to dig; see http://www.mun.ca/mha/mlc/index.php . The same goes for the ALDORA and VLISSINGEN, since you have some dates. Search elsewhere on the www.mun.ca website to see what they have. As you have his Certificate number, you can ask the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich if they have his applications for his certificates (second mate, mate, and master). If they do, these should give you a physical description of him, and a list of the vessels he sailed on up to the date he qualified as a master. Further research, using Lloyd's List as to vessel movements during the dates you think he was aboard, may enable you to reconstruct other aspects of his career. Further guidance can be found at, for example, http://brew.clients.ch/Seafarers.htm#Tracing and http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKMasters.html There is a wreck report for VLISSINGEN at http://www.plimsoll.org/images/69111_tcm4-296843.pdf But I think this is the same as the one you probably found on Trove. Hope this helps. Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Brookes Sent: 10 November 2011 12:46 To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Charles Teft Lau(w)rence (1845-?), master mariner Dear Sir/Madam, I am researching my ancestor Captain Charles Teft Laurence (1845-?). He was born in Louth, Lincolnshire, England. In 1872 he married Catherine Anne Wright. At some date before 1893, when they had a son in Francis Street, Rockhampton they emigrated to Australia. According to Trove, Charles was Mate on the A.U.S.N. Company steamship Aldora from 1884-28 July 1889, when he was promoted to Captain of the ill-fated s.s.'Vissinglen', that sunk in the Fitzroy river in 1898 after a collision with the 'Leichardt'. In his trial after the collision he stated that he had been a seaman for thirty years, as master mariner, first and second officer and on te Fitzroy river for twelve of those years. Charles became insolvent. This is all I know. Please could you tell me any more about him? Thankyou for your time and patience. Kind Regards, Paul Brookes Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sir/Madam, I am researching my ancestor Captain Charles Teft Laurence (1845-?). He was born in Louth, Lincolnshire, England. In 1872 he married Catherine Anne Wright. At some date before 1893, when they had a son in Francis Street, Rockhampton they emigrated to Australia. According to Trove, Charles was Mate on the A.U.S.N. Company steamship Aldora from 1884-28 July 1889, when he was promoted to Captain of the ill-fated s.s.'Vissinglen', that sunk in the Fitzroy river in 1898 after a collision with the 'Leichardt'. In his trial after the collision he stated that he had been a seaman for thirty years, as master mariner, first and second officer and on te Fitzroy river for twelve of those years. Charles became insolvent. This is all I know. Please could you tell me any more about him? Thankyou for your time and patience. Kind Regards, Paul Brookes Sent from my Windows Phone

Sean, You still didn't tell us of his first name. If you know he married Catherine, did you have a first name. This would help. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Seán Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:12 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar - Lieut Walsh Dear list Thank you Wendy, Peter and Paul for taking the time to responded to my request for information on Lieut. Walsh. I'm much obliged. Following on from your responses I have gone back to my family to see if there is any more information on Lieut. Walsh. Hopefully there is and if so I will post it on the List. I do know that he married Catherine O'Donnell of Donegal and that he died on the 25th November 1825. That's about it.      Kind Regards Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: mariners-request@rootsweb.com To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2011 8:00:09 AM Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 349 Today's Topics:    1. Off the coast of  Namibia (Ms Betty Fredericks)    2. Joseph Richard Middleton (Ellis)    3.  (Se?n)    4. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Wendy Settle)    5. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Peter Klein)    6. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Paul Benyon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:10:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ms Betty Fredericks <bbffrrpp@yahoo.com> Subject: [MAR] Off the coast of  Namibia To: "Mariners@rootsweb.com" <Mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:         <1320833448.32232.YahooMailNeo@web114501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, Once a year, "Matt" from the "TODAY" show on TV? visits many countries around the world - for one week.??? Yesterday,? he visited? Namibia in South Africa,? and the Skeleton Coast.?????? One of the things he mentioned is that there are at least 2? .skeletons.? of ships sitting in the desert.???? He asked why they were in the desert, and the answer was -? that was where the coastline was at the time those ships ran aground.????? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia#Coastal_Desert One example of a rusted, ship skeleton is shown on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Coast The Skeleton Coast?????????????is the northern part of the Atlantic Ocean coast of Namibia and south of Angola from the Kunene River south to the Swakop River, although the name is sometimes used to describe the entire Namib Desert coast. The Bushmen of the Namibian interior called the region "The Land God Made in Anger", while Portuguese sailors once referred to it as "The Gates of Hell". and The coast is named for the bleached whale and seal bones which covered the shore when the whaling industry was still active, as well as the skeletal shipwrecks caused by rocks offshore in the fog. More than a thousand vessels of various sizes and areas litter the coast. Notable wrecks in the region include the Eduard Bohlen, the Otavi, the Dunedin Star, and Tong Taw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_ship Just an FYI for you. Betty???????????? (near Lowell, MA, USA) (on Lists for 10 yrs.;? now an Admin for 9 Lists) FYI:??? My? great-great-grandfather, Evan CORKILL, was a mariner? (1827-maybe 1900) and was involved with shipping of some sort from the Isle of Man and Liverpool and Whitehaven, England.???? He lost his wife ~1872, and, when his 5 young children were being "shipped to Canada" as part of the "UK's Child Migrant Scheme,"? he was - on his way to Africa.???? I don't know anything about what kinds of ships he sailed on,? and whether he sailed to many areas around the world from 1850's to 1880's.) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:56:39 +1000 From: "Ellis" <johnbarb1@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Joseph Richard Middleton To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <101C844A71514C18977CC9A6A5FB6A4D@BarbaraPC1> Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="UTF-8" In 1846, J R Middleton described himself as a master mariner on his daughter?s baptism record in India. Another reference to him said he was a Captain in the Honourable East India Company?s Service. He was born in 1809, so possibly arrived in India c1829. He married Louisa Leigh in 1834, left India in 1836, and returned in 1844, where he remained until his death in 1865. I am keen to find any reference to him as a mariner. Barbara ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID:         <2215809.18497.1320858893391.JavaMail.root@webmailbox101.eircom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:27:49 -0800 From: Wendy Settle <wsettle@pcc.edu> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:         <27AB116E9FF2854F941683557ABE9AB8835A84BD8A@ex.elc.pcc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Do you have his first name? -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Se?n Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:15 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:57:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:         <1320865026.56591.YahooMailNeo@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Sean Lt. Walsh does not seem to appear on the HMS Victory Muster Roll (see attached link)?http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=87. ?There were two landsmen aboard during the battle named "Welsh", but they would seem unrelated. This would not preclude Lieutenant Walsh being at Trafalgar, so he could have been aboard one of the other ships at the battle. ?There were 24 other ships of the line, four frigates, and a few smaller vessels to choose from. ?According to the National Archives website, 18 men named Walsh have been listed as serving during the battle, see: ?http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/results.asp?page=1. ?Sadly none of them are listed as being a Lieutenant. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 17:14 Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:21:58 +0000 From: Paul Benyon <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <lgllb7teln6d0sb8ai62rv3q5kbkvnhe01@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Se?n I see that Steel's List of the Royal Navy for May 1805 had 2 Lieutenants by the name of Walsh : Walsh, Arch., whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1796 and Walsh, John, whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1783 Neither of these officers are noted as serving at sea when the List was published. I don't know which officer the following notes from the Naval Chronicle refer to or whether there may have been another officer with this name around at the time : Note 1 : from  Vol 2 of the Naval chronicle 20 Nov 1799, Portsmouth, arrived the Pelter, Lt. Walsh, from the Texel, having been ashore on the Dutch coast, and was sent into harbour for a refit, having lost her anchor, cables and false keel. She arrived with survivors from the Dutch frigate  Valk/Voolk, wrecked on the Island of Ameland. Note 2 : I've not read it properly, but in Vol 7 of the Naval chronicle in Google Books there appears to be a Lieutenant Walsh who was called as a witness at a Court Martial circa 1801-02, on men from HMS Temeraire : ISTR reading some years ago this Court Martial was of some importance, but forget the nature of it, although it would appear that most of the men involved were sentenced to die.  But, the important thing here is that the Temeraire went on to serve alongside the Victory at Trafalgar, but I don't know if Lt. Walsh was still on board on 21 Oct 1805 when the Battle of Trafalgar took place.   So what we can say is that an officer with the name of Lieutenant Walsh probably served on board a ship that would, in due course, be at Trafalgar, but whether he was still on board at the time is another question altogether.  This is often how stories grow legs and get embroidered ..... :-) FWIW Paul On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT), Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> wrote: > > >Dear List, > > > >I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. 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Might he have been a Royal Marine, or didn't they have Lieutenants in those days?

In 1846, J R Middleton described himself as a master mariner on his daughter’s baptism record in India. Another reference to him said he was a Captain in the Honourable East India Company’s Service. He was born in 1809, so possibly arrived in India c1829. He married Louisa Leigh in 1834, left India in 1836, and returned in 1844, where he remained until his death in 1865. I am keen to find any reference to him as a mariner. Barbara

Seán I see that Steel's List of the Royal Navy for May 1805 had 2 Lieutenants by the name of Walsh : Walsh, Arch., whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1796 and Walsh, John, whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1783 Neither of these officers are noted as serving at sea when the List was published. I don't know which officer the following notes from the Naval Chronicle refer to or whether there may have been another officer with this name around at the time : Note 1 : from Vol 2 of the Naval chronicle 20 Nov 1799, Portsmouth, arrived the Pelter, Lt. Walsh, from the Texel, having been ashore on the Dutch coast, and was sent into harbour for a refit, having lost her anchor, cables and false keel. She arrived with survivors from the Dutch frigate Valk/Voolk, wrecked on the Island of Ameland. Note 2 : I've not read it properly, but in Vol 7 of the Naval chronicle in Google Books there appears to be a Lieutenant Walsh who was called as a witness at a Court Martial circa 1801-02, on men from HMS Temeraire : ISTR reading some years ago this Court Martial was of some importance, but forget the nature of it, although it would appear that most of the men involved were sentenced to die. But, the important thing here is that the Temeraire went on to serve alongside the Victory at Trafalgar, but I don't know if Lt. Walsh was still on board on 21 Oct 1805 when the Battle of Trafalgar took place. So what we can say is that an officer with the name of Lieutenant Walsh probably served on board a ship that would, in due course, be at Trafalgar, but whether he was still on board at the time is another question altogether. This is often how stories grow legs and get embroidered ..... :-) FWIW Paul On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT), Seán <sean_tee@eircom.net> wrote: > > >Dear List, > > > >I'd be delighted if you could help me  please,     I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative  and he died in 1825. That is a s much as I know at the moment.    > > >Thank you and a ll the b est, > >Seán > > > > >Thank you and a ll the b est, > >Seán > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Sean Lt. Walsh does not seem to appear on the HMS Victory Muster Roll (see attached link) http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=87.  There were two landsmen aboard during the battle named "Welsh", but they would seem unrelated. This would not preclude Lieutenant Walsh being at Trafalgar, so he could have been aboard one of the other ships at the battle.  There were 24 other ships of the line, four frigates, and a few smaller vessels to choose from.  According to the National Archives website, 18 men named Walsh have been listed as serving during the battle, see:  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/results.asp?page=1.  Sadly none of them are listed as being a Lieutenant. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Seán <sean_tee@eircom.net> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 17:14 Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me  please,     I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative  and he died in 1825. That is a s much as I know at the moment.    Thank you and a ll the b est, Seán Thank you and a ll the b est, Seán ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me  please,     I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative  and he died in 1825. That is a s much as I know at the moment.    Thank you and a ll the b est, Seán Thank you and a ll the b est, Seán

Do you have his first name? -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Seán Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:15 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me  please,     I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative  and he died in 1825. That is a s much as I know at the moment.    Thank you and a ll the b est, Seán Thank you and a ll the b est, Seán ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Once a year, "Matt" from the "TODAY" show on TV  visits many countries around the world - for one week.    Yesterday,  he visited  Namibia in South Africa,  and the Skeleton Coast.       One of the things he mentioned is that there are at least 2  .skeletons.  of ships sitting in the desert.     He asked why they were in the desert, and the answer was -  that was where the coastline was at the time those ships ran aground.      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia#Coastal_Desert One example of a rusted, ship skeleton is shown on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Coast The Skeleton Coast             is the northern part of the Atlantic Ocean coast of Namibia and south of Angola from the Kunene River south to the Swakop River, although the name is sometimes used to describe the entire Namib Desert coast. The Bushmen of the Namibian interior called the region "The Land God Made in Anger", while Portuguese sailors once referred to it as "The Gates of Hell". and The coast is named for the bleached whale and seal bones which covered the shore when the whaling industry was still active, as well as the skeletal shipwrecks caused by rocks offshore in the fog. More than a thousand vessels of various sizes and areas litter the coast. Notable wrecks in the region include the Eduard Bohlen, the Otavi, the Dunedin Star, and Tong Taw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_ship Just an FYI for you. Betty             (near Lowell, MA, USA) (on Lists for 10 yrs.;  now an Admin for 9 Lists) FYI:    My  great-great-grandfather, Evan CORKILL, was a mariner  (1827-maybe 1900) and was involved with shipping of some sort from the Isle of Man and Liverpool and Whitehaven, England.     He lost his wife ~1872, and, when his 5 young children were being "shipped to Canada" as part of the "UK's Child Migrant Scheme,"  he was - on his way to Africa.     I don't know anything about what kinds of ships he sailed on,  and whether he sailed to many areas around the world from 1850's to 1880's.)

Greetings, Many thanks for the information, this is a marvelous facility to share or update ones knowledge, it is deeply appreciated. Peter On 2011-11-07, at 7:28 AM, "Piers Smith-Cresswell" <piers@ps-c.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Peter > > Though my understanding is that people at the turn of the 18th/19th > Centuries were generally not as tall as today, it is clear that the gun > decks of Napoleonic era warships never allowed a lot of head room. The > crew's comfort was not a great priority and one must bear in mind that the > naval day probably did not allow much free time below decks. > > To quote Brian Lavery (who was, incidentally, a consultant on the Peter Weir > film) "The essential role of a warship was to carry a gun armament into > action.... In order to keep the centre of gravity as low as possible, it was > necessary to keep the gundeck quite low. On the other hand, it had to be > far enough above the waterline to keep out water when the ship was heeling, > or when waves were high....... The distance between one gundeck and the deck > above was one of the fixed factors of naval architecture. About five feet > of clear headroom was needed to allow the men to operate the guns, and this > did much to determine the height of a ship with a given number of decks. > Decks which did not carry guns, such as the orlop decks on ships of the > line, or the lower decks of frigates, needed less headroom, and were often > closer to the one above." > > The quote comes from Lavery's book "Nelson's Navy - The ships, men and > organisation 1793-1815" in Conway's "History of Sail" series, out of print > (though new copies are available on Amazon and it is readily available > secondhand via www.abebooks.com - there are other books with similar titles, > but I don't know whether they are just US editions or differ in any way). > It can be thoroughly recommended for anyone interested in the period - it's > not too technical, but tells you most of what you could wish to know, with > plenty of illustrations, and it is certainly the sort of thing Hector might > like to add to his shopping list..... unless he prefers to go for one of > Lavery's other books, "Jack Aubrey Commands: An Historical Companion to the > Naval World of Patrick O'Brian". I haven't read this but I'm sure it is > excellent. > > As Hector states, many of Jack Aubrey's adventures are based upon real > incidents, although they didn't necessarily all happen to the same person. > The first book (Master and Commander), the stock market episode (the Reverse > of the Medal), and Aubrey's involvement in the South American wars of > independence all draw heavily upon the life and career of Lord Cochrane. A > brief run-though of his career can be found at http://tinyurl.com/fmsay and > there are a number of biographies. Given his important role in the founding > of the Chilean navy, it is possible that something may be available in > Spanish. > > Hornblower fans, on the other hand, might be interested to read "The Real > Hornblower - the life and times of Admiral Sir James Gordon" by Bryan > Perrett. > > Cheers > Piers > > > > > > 'Master and Commander' movie, viewed frequently, leaves one anxious for > more. Perhaps the lingering powerful impression was the deckhead height, > was evertone smaller then?? > > Peter > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 1950's i was on the training ship arethusa and started my C. S. Forester, Hornblower series plenty of headroom though cockroaches could be a problem. Briefly 1950's HMS Victory the main baracks, but made several trips and tours of HMS Victory itself. Was there not a mock-up of the gun decks on the quayside c/w suitable cannon fire and smoke?? This was fed by Hornblower books, later came Patrick O'Brian with his excellent descriptive novels. Peter