Hi Colin, I found a DESMOND A.D.MALDEN born in Wellington,Western Australia in 1921 could this be your man. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Harrison Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 4:43 AM To: mariners Subject: [MAR] Fw: True Enigma-Help Please From: Colin Harrison Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 1:06 PM To: Mariners Subject: True Enigma-Help Please I have a relative who has too many stories about him that add confusion to the story of his life. Any help in correcting what I say will be sincerely appreciated. His name was Desmond Anthony Drinkwater Paliologus MALDEN. No, that is not a lie. He was born in Australia in 1921 I think. I have seen his passage leaving Sydney with two older sisters in 1922, hence I think he was born in Australia. In 1938 in England he became a licensed radio operator for the Royal Mail. The next records show many voyages in and out of New York in 1939 until the war started. He was on the Lancastra. Was that a Royal Mail ship ? Or just a tourist ship ? In 1941 he was on an unnamed ship in Halifax. Shortly thereafter he was cited in the London paper for brave conduct when torpedoed. The ship he was on was the Port of Portland?? Subsequent papers show him as a lieutenant commander in the Royal Navy??? He was too young??? Later records show him in business directories in Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Islands---I am unable to access those directories. Still later he shows up in California in Los Angles on voter registration lists. With this persons four unique given names clearly spelled out every time I can’t believe there would be a second person with that same collection of names. He married Joyce Christian NAISH in Dec 1945 in East Glamorganshire. She was born 23 Jan 1921 in Pontypridd, Mommouthshire. Any clarity any kind sole can bring is most sincerely appreciated, Colin Harrison in southwest Utah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 13:13:26 -0600, "Colin Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote: >Subsequent papers show him as a lieutenant commander in the Royal Navy??? He was too young??? Hi Colin, Not my period of interest, but I can tell you where to find the books that should include his name if he was ever an officer in the RN. I would have thought it unlikely that he might have achieved that rank in such a short space of time, but strange things can happen in wartime, so a case of never saying never ! Oh, the books, The Navy Lists for the period Feb 1939 -> Jul 1945 should list all commissioned and warrant officers who served in the Royal Navy which can be found on the Way Back Machine at : http://archive.org/index.php A search on the words - Navy List - should produce well over 100 hits, including many for the 19th Century and WWI, so it may take you a little while to find what you want....most of them should include an alphabetical index....it is some years since I browsed through the Lists for this period so am not too familiar with them now ! But these Navy Lists are in .pdf format and are searchable ! Or, at least those I've downloaded for WWI are, and they come from the same source ie The National Library of Scotland. But the usual caveats apply to any print that has been OCRd for search purposes. A passing thought before I hit the send button.....if he didn't join the Royal Navy one wonders if he might have joined the Royal Fleet Auxiliary (RFA), who employed W/T people for communications, and many of those I used to know back in the 1950s and 60s qualified for officer status in the RFA service, which kept the Royal Navy supplied with fuel, food and stores etc. So not quite an RN Officer. But regret am unable to help you with tracing someone who may have served on board RFAs. Regards Paul 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

hello i suspect the vessel was the City Of Portland. Lt. Commander was not an age thing. The number of ships and need for crew was great. I was once on a vessel during the VN war where every officer was a licensed master. If you go to the american antiquarian society they will have directories. david On 6/8/2013 2:13 PM, Colin Harrison wrote: > > From: Colin Harrison > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 1:06 PM > To: Mariners > Subject: True Enigma-Help Please > > I have a relative who has too many stories about him that add confusion to the story of his life. Any help in correcting what I say will be sincerely appreciated. His name was Desmond Anthony Drinkwater Paliologus MALDEN. No, that is not a lie. He was born in Australia in 1921 I think. I have seen his passage leaving Sydney with two older sisters in 1922, hence I think he was born in Australia. In 1938 in England he became a licensed radio operator for the Royal Mail. The next records show many voyages in and out of New York in 1939 until the war started. He was on the Lancastra. Was that a Royal Mail ship ? Or just a tourist ship ? In 1941 he was on an unnamed ship in Halifax. Shortly thereafter he was cited in the London paper for brave conduct when torpedoed. The ship he was on was the Port of Portland?? Subsequent papers show him as a lieutenant commander in the Royal Navy??? He was too young??? Later records show him in business directories in Massachusetts, Con! necticut and Rhode Islands---I am unable to access those directories. Still later he shows up in California in Los Angles on voter registration lists. > > With this persons four unique given names clearly spelled out every time I can’t believe there would be a second person with that same collection of names. He married Joyce Christian NAISH in Dec 1945 in East Glamorganshire. She was born 23 Jan 1921 in Pontypridd, Mommouthshire. > > Any clarity any kind sole can bring is most sincerely appreciated, > > Colin Harrison in southwest Utah > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3199/6394 - Release Date: 06/08/13 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 51390 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

On 6/8/2013 2:13 PM, Colin Harrison wrote: > > From: Colin Harrison > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 1:06 PM > To: Mariners > Subject: True Enigma-Help Please > > I have a relative who has too many stories about him that add confusion to the story of his life. Any help in correcting what I say will be sincerely appreciated. His name was Desmond Anthony Drinkwater Paliologus MALDEN. No, that is not a lie. He was born in Australia in 1921 I think. I have seen his passage leaving Sydney with two older sisters in 1922, hence I think he was born in Australia. In 1938 in England he became a licensed radio operator for the Royal Mail. The next records show many voyages in and out of New York in 1939 until the war started. He was on the Lancastra. Was that a Royal Mail ship ? Or just a tourist ship ? In 1941 he was on an unnamed ship in Halifax. Shortly thereafter he was cited in the London paper for brave conduct when torpedoed. The ship he was on was the Port of Portland?? Subsequent papers show him as a lieutenant commander in the Royal Navy??? He was too young??? Later records show him in business directories in Massachusetts, Con! necticut and Rhode Islands---I am unable to access those directories. Still later he shows up in California in Los Angles on voter registration lists. > > With this persons four unique given names clearly spelled out every time I can’t believe there would be a second person with that same collection of names. He married Joyce Christian NAISH in Dec 1945 in East Glamorganshire. She was born 23 Jan 1921 in Pontypridd, Mommouthshire. > > Any clarity any kind sole can bring is most sincerely appreciated, > > Colin Harrison in southwest Utah > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3199/6394 - Release Date: 06/08/13 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 51390 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

Thank you. My relative I assume made the last cruise on the Lancastria , on 8 September 1939 from Nassau in the Bahamas to New York. He did get off just in time. Thanks for your kindness with the information. Colin

Hello Colin, I can deal with the easy part of your story. LANCASTRIA (note spelling) was a Cunarder. She was on the trans-Atlantic run from Liverpool to NYC up to 1932 when she became a cruise ship. Your relative apparently left her soon before she was lost. She was sunk by the Luftwaffe in June 1940 off St. Nazaire France while evacuating civilians and troops with the loss of at least 4,000 lives making it by far the greatest marine disaster in the world at least up to that time. The exact number of people on board is unknown, nobody kept a count, they just shoved them on board, but there were 2,477 survivors. John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Harrison" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 3:13 PM To: "mariners" <[email protected]> Subject: [MAR] Fw: True Enigma-Help Please > > > From: Colin Harrison > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 1:06 PM > To: Mariners > Subject: True Enigma-Help Please > > I have a relative who has too many stories about him that add confusion > to the story of his life. Any help in correcting what I say will be > sincerely appreciated. His name was Desmond Anthony Drinkwater Paliologus > MALDEN. No, that is not a lie. He was born in Australia in 1921 I think. I > have seen his passage leaving Sydney with two older sisters in 1922, > hence I think he was born in Australia. In 1938 in England he became a > licensed radio operator for the Royal Mail. The next records show many > voyages in and out of New York in 1939 until the war started. He was on > the Lancastra. Was that a Royal Mail ship ? Or just a tourist ship ? In > 1941 he was on an unnamed ship in Halifax. Shortly thereafter he was cited > in the London paper for brave conduct when torpedoed. The ship he was on > was the Port of Portland?? Subsequent papers show him as a lieutenant > commander in the Royal Navy??? He was too young??? Later records show him > in business directories in Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode > Islands---I am unable to access those directories. Still later he shows up > in California in Los Angles on voter registration lists. > > With this persons four unique given names clearly spelled out every > time I can’t believe there would be a second person with that same > collection of names. He married Joyce Christian NAISH in Dec 1945 in > East Glamorganshire. She was born 23 Jan 1921 in Pontypridd, > Mommouthshire. > > Any clarity any kind sole can bring is most sincerely appreciated, > > Colin Harrison in southwest Utah > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Colin Harrison Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 1:06 PM To: Mariners Subject: True Enigma-Help Please I have a relative who has too many stories about him that add confusion to the story of his life. Any help in correcting what I say will be sincerely appreciated. His name was Desmond Anthony Drinkwater Paliologus MALDEN. No, that is not a lie. He was born in Australia in 1921 I think. I have seen his passage leaving Sydney with two older sisters in 1922, hence I think he was born in Australia. In 1938 in England he became a licensed radio operator for the Royal Mail. The next records show many voyages in and out of New York in 1939 until the war started. He was on the Lancastra. Was that a Royal Mail ship ? Or just a tourist ship ? In 1941 he was on an unnamed ship in Halifax. Shortly thereafter he was cited in the London paper for brave conduct when torpedoed. The ship he was on was the Port of Portland?? Subsequent papers show him as a lieutenant commander in the Royal Navy??? He was too young??? Later records show him in business directories in Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Islands---I am unable to access those directories. Still later he shows up in California in Los Angles on voter registration lists. With this persons four unique given names clearly spelled out every time I can’t believe there would be a second person with that same collection of names. He married Joyce Christian NAISH in Dec 1945 in East Glamorganshire. She was born 23 Jan 1921 in Pontypridd, Mommouthshire. Any clarity any kind sole can bring is most sincerely appreciated, Colin Harrison in southwest Utah

Hi, I have a copy of the above and would like to know what the numbers are alongside the names of the seamen. In this case the last number is 6073. Many thanks judith

Hi Lynn As a Norfolk ex-pat I had already a few details on Coke, but a friend with Wells ancestors provided more, as set out below. I think if you wished he would have another look but this may be all you need ? Please let me know, All the best, Geoff There are a couple of references to the ship COKE in Michael Stammers’s book on shipbuilding in Wells, One mentioning the vessel launched in 1827 ? with 42 tons measurement, receiving New Tonnage measurement of 41.75 gross (probably around 1855). The other mentions a mortgage of £80 to John Smith on the sloop COKE in 1865.The CLIP website gives just one vessel called COKE. official number 12480 (first) registered Wells 1846 MNL 1860 registered Wells (no detail) Per Shipping Registers sunk Warham Hole near Wells but recovered& taken into Blakeney 8/1/1866. MNL. 1867 ". ". owner John Smith of Wells MNL. 1870. Ditto MNL 1876 regd Louth. Owner Benjamin Black of Barton on Humber. Built 1827 1878 sloop, converted to a lighter, register closed. Accounts of Voyages (which include Crew Lists) available for years 1863, 64, 1866-1874 from Newfoundland archives. >From Wells archives census returns: 1841 West End Lower Road, Ebeneezer Kemp age 3 with assorted others. 1845 marriage William Kemp& Mary Ann Parker ( some more details if wanted ) 1851 53 Glebe. William Kemp b. 1822 Wells Mariner Mary Ann wife 1861 37 Brigg Yard Mary Kemp b 1825 Wells, Mariners Wife (other Kemp were ag. labs.) Ebenezer Kemp, boarder, b. 1838 ag lab 1871 24 W. Glebe. Mary Ann Kemp married, Head of Household so presumably William at sea 1881. Glebe Yard. Ditto. (No occupation so William must be getting a reasonable pay) 1891 153 The Glebe Mary 65 widowed and on parish relief 1895 burial report for Mary No children in any of these returns. William not buried within Well so may have died at sea, according to their archives. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 05:54:47 +0100 > Subject: [MAR] More Info On Ships > > > > Hello there! > > > > If I am reading the records on Find My Past correctly, my relative called > William Kemp/Camp, born Wells Next the Sea, Norfolk, sailed on a ship called > "Coke" between 1842 and 1843. This sounds a strange name for a ship; but > the local aristocracy to Wells Next the Sea at Holkham Hall went by the > surname of Coke (pronounced Cook) so wondered if the ship was anything to do > with him? > > > > Does anyone have any further information about this vessel? > > > > This is where I think the name Coke comes from: > > > > http://www.holkham.co.uk/html/history.html > > > > If anyone wants to check that I am reading the document correctly - this is > the reference on Find My Past: > > > > Last name: CAMP > > First names: WILLIAM > > Age:18 > > Place of birth: WELLS > > Series: BT112 > > Date range:1841-1844 > > Piece number:11 > > Hope someone can shed further light on this matter. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Lynn Sharpe > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Henry LAWS 1800-1880 was master of the following ships the longest service being in the barque "Nautilus" from 1854 till his death in 1880 apart from 1864/5 when Lloyds lists in as being in the "Devonshire" he was either a very skilful or a very lucky master to keep the same ship for so long. Can anyone tell me more of these ships and how although he was in receipt of a pension from 1864 continued till he was eighty years old? 1833 - 38 Master of Barque "Blanche" Shepherd & Co London - St.Kitts 1838 - 39 Master of Brig "William Fulcher" London - Nevis Owner Pochley 1839 - 40 Master of Barque "Benjamin Greene" Blythe & Greene - West Indies 1842 - 43 Master of Brig "William Fulcher" London - Pochley - West Indies 1843 - 50 Master of Barque "Benjamin Greene" Blythe & Greene West Indies 1854 - 64 Master of Barque "Nautilus" Blythe & Greene - London - West Indies 1864 - 65 Master of Barque "Devonshire" 1865 - 74 Master of Barque "Nautilus" Blythe & Greene - London - West Indies 1875 - 80 Master of Barque "Nautilus" W Binney - London - West Indies C24644 pensioned Certificate received by Board of Trade 31 Mar 1864 Masters ticket issued 10 Mar 1850 - 43021- PRO BT122-6 # Of his sons Robert Henry LAWS who I note had the nautilus under his command between 1864-8 then continued with the ill-fated "Woolhampton" who after she was sold to a Norwegian company and renamed "Adonis" was wrecked off Tybee Beach at the mouth of the Savannah River. Master Mariner, Ticket no 282-9 of:- 1851 "Nautilus" (Mate) London - West Indies 1852 - 53 "Catherine Green" London - West Indies 1853 - 61 "St Michael" 39958 West Indies & Africa 1861 - 64 "Devonshire" 24844 West Indies 1864 - 68 "Nautilus" 24507 France, Portugal, Spain & West Indies 1873 "Woolhampton" London - Mauritius 1874 - 81 "Woolhampton" London - St Kitts Employer 1864 - 67 Blythe & Greene 1874 - 75 Blythe & Co 1876 - 77 Blythe Greene & Co 1878 - 80 J Swindell 1881 - 82 N C Sendall Another son we have discovered turned to the demon drink Edward William LAWS Master of the "Amulato" Index to the Captains Registers of Lloyd's of London (Guildhall Library Ms 18567) LAWS, Edward William b. London 1841 C30893 London 1868 vol.9 1869-1873; vol.21 1874-1879; vol.36 1880-1884; vol.51 no voyages listed # 5 Feb 1874 Charge of drunkenness at sea - found Guilty 12 months ban He continued his career as 1st Mate for his brother Robert Henry in the "Woolhampton" If anyone can tell me anything of any or all of these ships I would be most grateful. Oh! One more thing, when I was a teenager in the late 1950's there was a shop in Whichmore Hill London that sold ship photo's is it still there? As I'd love any pictures of these ships I have seen a portrait of the Woolhampton which was hanging in my great aunts house in Fowey sadly it was removed by her son about the time of her death and its whereabouts are unknown as he is dead too. Kind regards John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History A Registered Member of GOONS since 1984

Hi Lynn Being a Norfolk ex-pat & with access in the past to the Norfolk Shipping registers I had a few details of the vessel you mentioned, COKE, but a friend with Wells antecedents let me have more info which I’ll set out below. I don’t know whether or not you have all you need about your Kemp family, but I think he would have another look round if you wished & let me know anything else relevant. All the best from Bristol, Geoff. Per Shipping Registers sunk Warham Hole near Wells but recovered& taken into Blakeney 8/1/1866 MNL. 1867 ". ". owner John Smith of Wells MNL. 1870. Ditto MNL 1876 regd Louth. Owner Benjamin Black of Barton on Humber. Built 1827 1878 sloop, converted to a lighter, register closed. Accounts of Voyages (which include Crew Lists) available for years 1863, 64, 1866-1874 from Newfoundland archives. >From Wells archives census returns: 1841 West End Lower Road, Ebeneezer Kemp age 3 with assorted others. 1845 marriage William Kemp& Mary Ann Parker ( some more details if wanted ) 1851 53 Glebe. William Kemp b. 1822 Wells Mariner Mary Ann wife 1861 37 Brigg Yard Mary Kemp b 1825 Wells, Mariners Wife (other Kemp were ag. labs.) Ebeneezer Kemp, boarder, b. 1838 ag lab 1871 24 W. Glebe. Mary Ann Kemp married, Head of Household so presumably William at sea 1881. Glebe Yard. Ditto. (No occupation so William must be getting a reasonable pay) 1891 153 The Glebe Mary 65 widowed and on parish relief 1895 burial report for Mary No children in any of these returns William not buried within Well so may have died at sea, according to their archives. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 05:54:47 +0100 > Subject: [MAR] More Info On Ships > > > > Hello there! > > > > If I am reading the records on Find My Past correctly, my relative called > William Kemp/Camp, born Wells Next the Sea, Norfolk, sailed on a ship called > "Coke" between 1842 and 1843. This sounds a strange name for a ship; but > the local aristocracy to Wells Next the Sea at Holkham Hall went by the > surname of Coke (pronounced Cook) so wondered if the ship was anything to do > with him? > > > > Does anyone have any further information about this vessel? > > > > This is where I think the name Coke comes from: > > > > http://www.holkham.co.uk/html/history.html > > > > If anyone wants to check that I am reading the document correctly - this is > the reference on Find My Past: > > > > Last name: CAMP > > First names: WILLIAM > > Age:18 > > Place of birth: WELLS > > Series: BT112 > > Date range:1841-1844 > > Piece number:11 > > Hope someone can shed further light on this matter. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Lynn Sharpe > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Martin That's every thing I was looking for + a bit . Mick O' Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: "MNavarro" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Barque Indus > Barque Indus wooden three masted barque 368 tons O.N. 31722. Built > Dumbarton Scotland 1832 108.6 x 27.8 x 18.1ft. reg Dundin2/1871. > Captain > John McColl. Foundered about 100 miles off Cape Dromadery, NSW after > springing a leak in a gale 17 February 1872. Crew landed safely at > Beremagui 19 February 1872. Prior to Leaving Newcastle NSW for Dunedin NZ > with coal, 4 seamen who refused to sail in her , alleging that she was > unseaworthy, were sentenced to eight weeks imprisonment Encyclopedia of > Australian Shipwrecks and other Maritime Incidents. by Peter Stone. > Hope this helps regards Martin > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Mick Westeire" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 6:43 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Barque Indus > >> Thanks to Rhonda & Bev >> >> The lead came from NSW Mariners http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ >> and the extra history helped piece it together . >> >> I found the corroborating evidence on the Register of British ships . >> http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/explore/migration/british-ships/index.aspx >> >> While there were a few other vessels with the name Indus floating around >> this one fits the bill. >> >> INDUS O.N 31772 >> Built 1832 >> Port number 1854/282 >> >> >> Thanks again >> >> Mick O'Rourke >> >> Mariners List >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mick Westeire" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:57 PM >> Subject: [MAR] Barque Indus >> >> >>> Hi Listers >>> >>> I am looking for some help with Australian / NewZealand ship registers. >>> I am tracing the History of the wooden Barque Indus built in Dumbarton >>> Scotland in 1832, she was 368 nrt and owned up to 1848 by Gilkeson and >>> Co, >>> registered at Port Glasgow. >>> I lost track of her in 1848, but A Barque Indus O.N 31772 with the same >>> tonnage turns up registered in Melbourne Dec-1854 and in Lyttelton N-Z >>> by >>> 1870. >>> If any one can make a connection (or not) would be much appreciated. >>> >>> Mick >>> >>> Mariners List >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barque Indus wooden three masted barque 368 tons O.N. 31722. Built Dumbarton Scotland 1832 108.6 x 27.8 x 18.1ft. reg Dundin2/1871. Captain John McColl. Foundered about 100 miles off Cape Dromadery, NSW after springing a leak in a gale 17 February 1872. Crew landed safely at Beremagui 19 February 1872. Prior to Leaving Newcastle NSW for Dunedin NZ with coal, 4 seamen who refused to sail in her , alleging that she was unseaworthy, were sentenced to eight weeks imprisonment Encyclopedia of Australian Shipwrecks and other Maritime Incidents. by Peter Stone. Hope this helps regards Martin -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Westeire" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 6:43 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] Barque Indus > Thanks to Rhonda & Bev > > The lead came from NSW Mariners http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ > and the extra history helped piece it together . > > I found the corroborating evidence on the Register of British ships . > http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/explore/migration/british-ships/index.aspx > > While there were a few other vessels with the name Indus floating around > this one fits the bill. > > INDUS O.N 31772 > Built 1832 > Port number 1854/282 > > > Thanks again > > Mick O'Rourke > > Mariners List > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mick Westeire" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:57 PM > Subject: [MAR] Barque Indus > > >> Hi Listers >> >> I am looking for some help with Australian / NewZealand ship registers. >> I am tracing the History of the wooden Barque Indus built in Dumbarton >> Scotland in 1832, she was 368 nrt and owned up to 1848 by Gilkeson and >> Co, >> registered at Port Glasgow. >> I lost track of her in 1848, but A Barque Indus O.N 31772 with the same >> tonnage turns up registered in Melbourne Dec-1854 and in Lyttelton N-Z by >> 1870. >> If any one can make a connection (or not) would be much appreciated. >> >> Mick >> >> Mariners List >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Rhonda & Bev The lead came from NSW Mariners http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ and the extra history helped piece it together . I found the corroborating evidence on the Register of British ships . http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/explore/migration/british-ships/index.aspx While there were a few other vessels with the name Indus floating around this one fits the bill. INDUS O.N 31772 Built 1832 Port number 1854/282 Thanks again Mick O'Rourke Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Westeire" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: [MAR] Barque Indus > Hi Listers > > I am looking for some help with Australian / NewZealand ship registers. > I am tracing the History of the wooden Barque Indus built in Dumbarton > Scotland in 1832, she was 368 nrt and owned up to 1848 by Gilkeson and Co, > registered at Port Glasgow. > I lost track of her in 1848, but A Barque Indus O.N 31772 with the same > tonnage turns up registered in Melbourne Dec-1854 and in Lyttelton N-Z by > 1870. > If any one can make a connection (or not) would be much appreciated. > > Mick > > Mariners List > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mick Whether it's the same ship or not, but an Indus turns up on the London-Brisbane emigrant route in 1870. 1871, 1872,1873, 1874, and 1876 that I know of. Captains were John Roberts, E P Ellis and E Hunt. Bev -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2013 5:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 222 Today's Topics: 1. Barque Indus (Mick Westeire) 2. Re: Barque Indus (Rhonda Staskow) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:57:15 +0100 From: "Mick Westeire" <[email protected]> Subject: [MAR] Barque Indus To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Listers I am looking for some help with Australian / NewZealand ship registers. I am tracing the History of the wooden Barque Indus built in Dumbarton Scotland in 1832, she was 368 nrt and owned up to 1848 by Gilkeson and Co, registered at Port Glasgow. I lost track of her in 1848, but A Barque Indus O.N 31772 with the same tonnage turns up registered in Melbourne Dec-1854 and in Lyttelton N-Z by 1870. If any one can make a connection (or not) would be much appreciated. Mick Mariners List **

Hi Mick - The ship arrives in Melbourne on December 3rd, 1849 from Glasgow, Capt. Putt, hvaing departed Glasgow on the 27th of July. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4770743?searchTerm=indus&searchLimits=l-decade=184|||l-month=12|||l-year=1849|||sortby=dateAsc I have traced the departure as well to the Glasgow newspapers. There are a number of references in the Australian newspaper after that arrival. Also, the NSW Mariners site has a number of references to the ship. http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/results.htm?cx=004861337844262330206%3Ayq_2tgjydtg&cof=FORID%3A11&q=indus&sa=Search&siteurl=mariners.records.nsw.gov.au%2Fsearch.htm&ref=mariners.records.nsw.gov.au%2F&ss= Also check Google with "Barque Indus" and "Bark Indus" for a number of interesting links. https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22bark+indus%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=%22barque+indus%22&client=firefox-a&hs=lPJ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ei=Og-tUY_bNoK8yAH8t4HoAQ&start=20&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47244034,d.aWc&fp=c68dd2e4c43b97&biw=1080&bih=1763 https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22bark+indus%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#client=firefox-a&hs=I5d&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22bark+indus%22&oq=%22bark+indus%22&gs_l=serp.3...1898195.1898195.1.1898490.1.1.0.0.0.0.211.211.2-1.1.0...0.0...1c..15.psy-ab.HxkUzEhVRvw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47244034,d.aWc&fp=c68dd2e4c43b97&biw=1080&bih=1763 Hope that helps. Regards Rhonda On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mick Westeire < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Listers > > I am looking for some help with Australian / NewZealand ship registers. > I am tracing the History of the wooden Barque Indus built in Dumbarton > Scotland in 1832, she was 368 nrt and owned up to 1848 by Gilkeson and Co, > registered at Port Glasgow. > I lost track of her in 1848, but A Barque Indus O.N 31772 with the same > tonnage turns up registered in Melbourne Dec-1854 and in Lyttelton N-Z by > 1870. > If any one can make a connection (or not) would be much appreciated. > > Mick > > Mariners List > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, My great Uncle, Herbert Edward Carter, was born in Tooting, Surrey in 1881, and I know went to Peru in 1919, as a passenger. Apparently he was a Master Mariner and later imported bananas from Peru to England. I am trying to find out anything I can about him and his seafaring adventures, and if possible where he ended up. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks, Sharon from Australia

Hi Listers I am looking for some help with Australian / NewZealand ship registers. I am tracing the History of the wooden Barque Indus built in Dumbarton Scotland in 1832, she was 368 nrt and owned up to 1848 by Gilkeson and Co, registered at Port Glasgow. I lost track of her in 1848, but A Barque Indus O.N 31772 with the same tonnage turns up registered in Melbourne Dec-1854 and in Lyttelton N-Z by 1870. If any one can make a connection (or not) would be much appreciated. Mick Mariners List

Hi Clare Thank you for getting back to me with that info. Can I take you up on your kind offer of sending me the details privately please. Simon Liverpool, Merseyside -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 31 May 2013 09:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Thomas Willcox Dear Simon I have found his marriage 18 Jan 1836 in Bermonsey (with consent), Elizabeth's baptism 1820, father William and Ann. both could write. Will send details privately if you want. I see someone of your name has a family tree on Ancestry giving date of death Dec 1871 in Bath, and birth 1 Nov 1815 Clare Oxford UK Hi everyone, I am trying (and have been for a number of years) to find out more information about my GGG-Grandfather, Thomas WILLCOX. I have him born in 1815, but that is not definite. He married Elizabeth Pocknell, who was born 1826. Thomas' occupation on 1 of the census' I found him on as a Mariner. The last census I found him on, was the 1871. On previous census', on 1 he's there and on the next, he disappears. Possibly at sea? But I'm just guessing. So, what I'm after is his date of birth (at least the year), when and where he married Elizabeth, and Thomas' death. I've tried the free BMD and the BMD on Ancestry, but found nothing. I do have info on him that he was a Master Mariner and served 28 years. I also have his son, Fredrick, on board a ship on a census, but no Thomas. Can someone help please? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning Mick, A possible further area of investigation is a father/son connection. Note the comma in the name from 1842. Is it possible that your Anderson's father was in business with someone called Anderson at that time and thought it would make a good first name? Cheers Colin   Colin Boyd ________________________________ From: Mick O Rourke <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013, 10:52 Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig Robina Built at Greenock 1838 Thanks again Peter I missed the fold out bit , thats what I was looking for  "Feel like a trip to Edinburgh?"  no but look forward to making new friends in Edinburgh or looking up some old ones . Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Brig Robina Built at Greenock 1838 Hi Mick, No, I could't find anything about Robina there either, but then it was late! There is a good list of ship-builders, and of ships then in building, and also a useful history of the port. I do note however that between pages 66 and 67 is a large fold-out sheet, with what are clearly names of ships and owners, and I think that is what you need to be looking at. Feel like a trip to Edinburgh? Best, PK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message