I would be interested to hear from anyone who has any knowledge concerning one or more of the BAM Minesweepers which were built in the United States for the Royal Navy under the Lend Lease scheme I am particularly interested in the J375 HMS Steadfast. Which Flotilla she was in and which areas she served in before the end of the war My late brother in law Thomas Gough was one of the crew which picked her up from the Gulf Shipbuilding company in Texas in 1943 and sailed across the Atlantic to Britain Whilst I have some very vague information about her service I would really like to know more about the wartime operations she was in before 1946 I am writing a family history about members of my family and this includes my late sisters husband Tommy Gough Thanks Mike McDonnell

I'd like to thank the three people who sent me excellent details about this ship's loss. My correspondent's ancestor had died during the incident. best regards   Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/   ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2013, 8:00 Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 231 Today's Topics:   1. ss Henry Stanley (REGINALD DAVIES)   2. Re: ss Henry Stanley (Graham Read)   3. Re: ss Henry Stanley (Ted Finch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:12:43 +0100 (BST) From: REGINALD DAVIES <[email protected]> Subject: [MAR] ss Henry Stanley To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID:     <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'm trying to find more about the fate of the?Henry Stanley.?A correspondent to my website says?said that the S.S. (M.V.?)  Henry Stanley, was torpedoed by? a German U boat on 6th Dec. 1942.  Apart from the Captain, Richard Jones, who was taken prisoner, all the crew and  passengers were lost at sea, N.W. of the Azores.? ? Is there any more detailed information about this event available?? Are there any publications or sources which can help study losses of ships?in World War Two? ? Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:55:06 +0100 From: Graham Read <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] ss Henry Stanley To: REGINALD DAVIES <[email protected]>,     [email protected] Message-ID:     <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Reg,  I tried Google and this appeared.  Subject to checking -of course - this looks like your ship. Graham Elder Dempster Line SS Henry Stanley. GRT 5026. Built 1929 6.12.42:Torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U-103 (Jansen), part of the "Westwall" patrol group of sixteen U-boats, in the Atlantic 580 miles NW of the Azores, in position 40.35N 39.40W while on a voyage from Liverpool 26.11.42 to Freetown and Lagos, with 11 passengers and 4000 tons of general cargo including explosives and bags of mail, a straggler from convoy ON 149 comprising 50 ships. The Master, Capt Richard Jones, was taken prisoner, landed at Lorient 29.12.42 and taken to Milag Nord. 44 crew, 8 gunners and passengers were lost. Capt Jones was the only survivor. Source: British and Commonwealth Merchant Ships Losses 1939 - 1945 by AJ Tennent. Disasters at Sea by Hocking. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:12 PM, REGINALD DAVIES <[email protected] > wrote: > I'm trying to find more about the fate of the Henry Stanley. A > correspondent to my website says said that the S.S. (M.V.?)  Henry Stanley, > was torpedoed by  a German U boat on 6th Dec. 1942.  Apart from the > Captain, Richard Jones, who was taken prisoner, all the crew and >  passengers were lost at sea, N.W. of the Azores. > > Is there any more detailed information about this event available? > Are there any publications or sources which can help study losses of > ships in World War Two? > > Reg Davies > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:52:54 +0100 From: Ted Finch <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] ss Henry Stanley To: REGINALD DAVIES <[email protected]>,     [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Reg, Further to Graham's reply, Elder Dempster fleet history by Cowden & Duffy gives - Janssen first sighted Henry Stanley at 19.45hrs but lost sight of her in a rain squall at 20.30 hrs. She was resighted after dark and Janssen attacked on the surface firing one torpedo from the bow tube. This missed so a second torpedo was fired which also missed as the ship, having seen the first one's wake went hard a port. At 23.59 Janssen fired a third torpedo at a range of 1000 metres which hit forward. The ship was stopped and lowered her boats and at 00.37 the master was picked up by the U.103 and taken prisoner. In order to sink the ship, Janssen fired a fourth torpedo at 01.40 which caused a huge explosion from the cargo of dynamite. 52 crew and 10 passengers in four boats were never seen again and are thought perished in the gale which followed the sinking. Capt. Jones was released in April 1945. U.103 was bombed and sunk at Kiel on 15th Apr.1945. regards Ted On 17/06/2013 17:12, REGINALD DAVIES wrote: > I'm trying to find more about the fate of the Henry Stanley. A correspondent to my website says said that the S.S. (M.V.?)  Henry Stanley, was torpedoed by  a German U boat on 6th Dec. 1942.  Apart from the Captain, Richard Jones, who was taken prisoner, all the crew and  passengers were lost at sea, N.W. of the Azores. >  > Is there any more detailed information about this event available? > Are there any publications or sources which can help study losses of ships in World War Two? >  > Reg Davies > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Any chance he answered to William Byers. In which case this might be your man in 1875 in Australian waters: http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1875/07/067bar.htm > > I am trying to discover how my husband's great grandfather Harry William > Byers reached New Zealand. I have searched passenger lists without success; > I am now wondering whether he was a crewman who jumped ship (or signed off) > when he reached New Zealand. > When he married in Palmerston North, NZ, he was said to have been in the > district for 4 years (I know he could have been elsewhere prior to that but > have no information.) > I know he was born in London in 1841, and was still in England for the > 1851 census. > I discovered him, aged 19, as a crewman on a coastal schooner at the time > of the 1861 census. The vessel was Elizabeth Furner, a 57 ton Coaster > Schooner. At the time of the census she was registered at Goole. The > Captain was William Fratson (35), born in Yorkshire. > Any suggestions? > Paddy >

Hi Yvonne HMS PEMBROKE was the RN Barracks for the Chatham Port Division, having been first occupied in 1902, and commissioned in 1903, and paid off in 1983. The other port divisions in those days were Portsmouth and Plymouth, which together, covered the whole of the UK, Chatham covering Kent and the North Sea or East Coast of Engloand. HMS PEMBROKE was used for a multitude of tasks, from providing training facilities for ratings of different branches and specialisations, over the years, from Stokers to the Supply and Secretariat branches etc., including a cookery school. You can see a few post cards of HMS PEMBROKE in those days at:- http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Uniform/Phot/Index.html#Establishments Following the rundown of the old hulked receiving ships in the Medway River, PEMBROKE provided accommodation for ships in long refit in Chatham Dockyard, and for vessels that had been paid off. The Barracks also looked officers and ratings serving ashore at a number of minor establishments and vessels, based in the Chatham Command catchment area, such as the Signal School, the Boom Defence Depots at Felixstowe and Grimsby, the staff and offenders at the RN Detention Quarters, and much else with respect to pay and stores etc, See pages 823->829 of the Jan 1921 edition of the Navy List for some idea : http://archive.org/stream/navylistjan1921grea#page/n5/mode/2up New Entries in the Chatham command were taken in at Chatham Barracks were they were given their basic new entry training before going on to their various training schools, depending on their specialisation. And following on from the end of the Great War, the Naval Bases at Dover, Grimsby and on the Humber were still operational as PEMBROKE V and VIII, and they in turn also had out-stations e.g. Immingham. >Was it a training establishment or was it an actual boat? There was a small vessel attached to each shore base, because each establishment, in those days, had to have a small nominal vessel attached for disciplinary reasons, which remained on the books until eventually done away with in 1959. But, whilst there was a boat, it was often little more than a paper exercise, and the establishment or its satellite bases was where it all happened. Since Franics Malcolm wasn't born until 1908 his record won't be available in the National Archives database and you will have to follow the links from the following web page if you want to research his naval career : http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/ratingroyalnavy1923.htm#dummy-link But I should point out that only direct Next of Kin are usually allowed to order a service record, for the usual fee, of course....but regret I have no idea what that is these days. Regards Paul On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:11:18 +0100 (BST), Yvonne <[email protected]> wrote: >Hello Listers, >  >I have a family photograph of a group of sailors all wearing sailor uniforms with the hat band showing HMS Pembroke.  >  >One of the men on the photograph looks strikingly like my grandfather - he was called Franics Malcolm born 1908 in Gateshead.  He was in the Pioneer Corp in WW11 so not sure how HMS Pembroke fits in.  It could be a relative of my grandfather but the likeness is uncanny. >  >Can anyone tell me where or what HMS Pembroke was?  Was it a training establishment or was it an actual boat? >  >Any leads would be great. >  >Thank you >Yvonne > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Peter and list, Is there anything to support that the John Gemmell I found (below) is the same John Gemmell who was master of the Black Eagle ? I was taking a leap after reading his vessels on his Mates Certificate, and his wife being born in the Seychelles. Thanks again Peter, Sue On 6/19/2013 4:03 AM, Peter Klein wrote: > Hi Sue, > > I'm replying off-list as it does not support attachments, but this > cutting from the Liverpool Mercury of 23 June 1854 may be useful in > giving a full description of the Black Eagle. She was said to have > sailed from Liverpool under captain Gemmell the 25 June, but on 3 July > she was reported as having put into Milford Haven with her mainmast > sprung, sailing again on the 15th. The same newspaper (26 Jan 1855) > reported her as having arrived at Melbourne. She was still under > Gemmell when she sailed for Bombay from Liverpool on the 26 March > 1856, and she had arrived there by the 11 December. She was > reportedly still under Gemmell when she sailed from Madras before 14 > December 1857. > > Just snippets, but I hope they are useful in filling out the picture. > > Best regards, > > Peter Klein > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Susan Swiggum <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 June 2013, 15:21 > *Subject:* [MAR] ship BLACK EAGLE ca. 1854 > > Hi Mariners, > > I am trying to learn more about the subject vessel and its crew. > > In the Sydney Morning Herald, 17 July 1854 p.2 it is indicated as being > chartered by the Government Emigration Commissioners. > >> > Emigration to Australia.-The ship Marshall Bennett, with Government > emigrants, left Southampton last week for Geelong. The Navarino will > shortly leave the same port with Government emigrants forAdelaide. The > Government Emigration Commissioners have chartered the Black Eagle for > Melbourne, the Moffatt, for Portland Bay, and the Confiance for Adelaide. > >> > > I have it on TSL, sailing from Liverpool 25th June 1854, arriving at > Melbourne 19th October 1854, 1,853 tons, old measurement. > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.shtml > > Then this Ad in The Argus, Monday 13 November 1854 p.1 > For Callao direct.-The fine AI clipper ship BLACK-EAGLE. 1468 tons > register, J. Gemmell, Commander, will positively sail for the above > port on Tuesday, 14th Inst. Has a few cabins still disengaged.. DE PASS > BROTHERS and CO., agents. > > Here is the 1854 arrival on the Argus Friday 20 Oct. 1854 p.2 ... > SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVALS. October 19. - Black Eagle, ship, 1468 > tons, John Gemmell, from Liverpool 16th July, with 301 Government > emigrants. D. McCosh, Surgeon Superintendent, John Gemmell, agent. > > I have her sailing again to Geelong, in 1857 but I couldn't find a > detailed arrival report so I'm not sure whether John Gemmell was still > the master and her tonnage is now shown as 1,250, new measure. > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1858-1859.shtml > > I do believe I have found the right John Gemmell, as Mate in 1851 > > Name: John Gemmell > Estimated Age: 28 > Birth Date: 5 May 1823 > Birth Place: Paisley, Renfrewshire > Issue Date: 19 May 1851 > Issue Port: Glasgow > Certificate Number: 40.437 > > ... then Master 21 May 1853, Certificate Number 8.424 > > I then find him In the 1871 census for Kent with a wife and the first > two of his children born in the Seychelles, the others in Kent. The > birthdates of the children fit well with the two Australia trips. > > I cannot find him or his family after that, and absolutely nothing about > the BLACK EAGLE, or any of her crew, so if anyone is able to expand on > my knowledge about this vessel or any of her crew, I would appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Sue > > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/

Peter, Thank you SO much, it is exactly what I was looking for. Much appreciated. Sue Swiggum On 6/19/2013 4:03 AM, Peter Klein wrote: > Hi Sue, > > I'm replying off-list as it does not support attachments, but this > cutting from the Liverpool Mercury of 23 June 1854 may be useful in > giving a full description of the Black Eagle. She was said to have > sailed from Liverpool under captain Gemmell the 25 June, but on 3 July > she was reported as having put into Milford Haven with her mainmast > sprung, sailing again on the 15th. The same newspaper (26 Jan 1855) > reported her as having arrived at Melbourne. She was still under > Gemmell when she sailed for Bombay from Liverpool on the 26 March > 1856, and she had arrived there by the 11 December. She was > reportedly still under Gemmell when she sailed from Madras before 14 > December 1857. > > Just snippets, but I hope they are useful in filling out the picture. > > Best regards, > > Peter Klein > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Susan Swiggum <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 June 2013, 15:21 > *Subject:* [MAR] ship BLACK EAGLE ca. 1854 > > Hi Mariners, > > I am trying to learn more about the subject vessel and its crew. > > In the Sydney Morning Herald, 17 July 1854 p.2 it is indicated as being > chartered by the Government Emigration Commissioners. > >> > Emigration to Australia.-The ship Marshall Bennett, with Government > emigrants, left Southampton last week for Geelong. The Navarino will > shortly leave the same port with Government emigrants forAdelaide. The > Government Emigration Commissioners have chartered the Black Eagle for > Melbourne, the Moffatt, for Portland Bay, and the Confiance for Adelaide. > >> > > I have it on TSL, sailing from Liverpool 25th June 1854, arriving at > Melbourne 19th October 1854, 1,853 tons, old measurement. > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.shtml > > Then this Ad in The Argus, Monday 13 November 1854 p.1 > For Callao direct.-The fine AI clipper ship BLACK-EAGLE. 1468 tons > register, J. Gemmell, Commander, will positively sail for the above > port on Tuesday, 14th Inst. Has a few cabins still disengaged.. DE PASS > BROTHERS and CO., agents. > > Here is the 1854 arrival on the Argus Friday 20 Oct. 1854 p.2 ... > SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVALS. October 19. - Black Eagle, ship, 1468 > tons, John Gemmell, from Liverpool 16th July, with 301 Government > emigrants. D. McCosh, Surgeon Superintendent, John Gemmell, agent. > > I have her sailing again to Geelong, in 1857 but I couldn't find a > detailed arrival report so I'm not sure whether John Gemmell was still > the master and her tonnage is now shown as 1,250, new measure. > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1858-1859.shtml > > I do believe I have found the right John Gemmell, as Mate in 1851 > > Name: John Gemmell > Estimated Age: 28 > Birth Date: 5 May 1823 > Birth Place: Paisley, Renfrewshire > Issue Date: 19 May 1851 > Issue Port: Glasgow > Certificate Number: 40.437 > > ... then Master 21 May 1853, Certificate Number 8.424 > > I then find him In the 1871 census for Kent with a wife and the first > two of his children born in the Seychelles, the others in Kent. The > birthdates of the children fit well with the two Australia trips. > > I cannot find him or his family after that, and absolutely nothing about > the BLACK EAGLE, or any of her crew, so if anyone is able to expand on > my knowledge about this vessel or any of her crew, I would appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Sue > > -- > TheShipsList Website > http://www.theshipslist.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi Sue, I'm replying off-list as it does not support attachments, but this cutting from the Liverpool Mercury of 23 June 1854 may be useful in giving a full description of the Black Eagle.  She was said to have sailed from Liverpool under captain Gemmell the 25 June, but on 3 July she was reported as having put into Milford Haven with her mainmast sprung, sailing again on the 15th.  The same newspaper (26 Jan 1855) reported her as having arrived at Melbourne.  She was still under Gemmell when she sailed for Bombay from Liverpool on the 26 March 1856, and she had arrived there by the 11 December.  She was reportedly still under Gemmell when she sailed from Madras before 14 December 1857. Just snippets, but I hope they are useful in filling out the picture. Best regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Susan Swiggum <[email protected]>  To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2013, 15:21 Subject: [MAR] ship BLACK EAGLE ca. 1854 Hi Mariners, I am trying to learn more about the subject vessel and its crew. In the Sydney Morning Herald, 17 July 1854 p.2 it is indicated as being chartered by the Government Emigration Commissioners. >> Emigration to Australia.-The ship Marshall Bennett, with Government emigrants, left Southampton last week for Geelong. The Navarino will shortly leave the same port with Government emigrants forAdelaide. The Government Emigration Commissioners have chartered the Black Eagle for Melbourne, the Moffatt, for Portland Bay, and the Confiance for Adelaide. >> I have it on TSL, sailing from Liverpool 25th June 1854, arriving at Melbourne 19th October 1854, 1,853 tons, old measurement. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.shtml Then this Ad  in The Argus, Monday 13 November 1854 p.1 For Callao direct.-The fine AI clipper ship  BLACK-EAGLE. 1468 tons register, J. Gemmell,  Commander, will positively sail for the above port on Tuesday, 14th Inst. Has a few cabins still disengaged.. DE PASS BROTHERS and CO., agents. Here is the 1854 arrival on the Argus Friday 20 Oct. 1854 p.2  ... SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVALS. October 19. - Black Eagle, ship, 1468 tons, John Gemmell, from Liverpool 16th July, with 301 Government emigrants. D. McCosh, Surgeon Superintendent, John Gemmell, agent. I have her sailing again to Geelong, in 1857 but I couldn't find a detailed arrival report so I'm not sure whether John Gemmell was still the master and her tonnage is now shown as 1,250, new measure. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1858-1859.shtml I do believe I have found the right John Gemmell, as Mate in 1851 Name:    John Gemmell Estimated Age:    28 Birth Date:    5 May 1823 Birth Place:    Paisley, Renfrewshire Issue Date:    19 May 1851 Issue Port:    Glasgow Certificate Number:    40.437 ... then Master      21 May 1853, Certificate Number    8.424 I then find him In the 1871 census for Kent with a wife and the first two of his children born in the Seychelles, the others in Kent.  The birthdates of the children fit well with the two Australia trips. I cannot find him or his family after that, and absolutely nothing about the BLACK EAGLE, or any of her crew, so if anyone is able to expand on my knowledge about this vessel or any of her crew, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to discover how my husband's great grandfather Harry William Byers reached New Zealand. I have searched passenger lists without success; I am now wondering whether he was a crewman who jumped ship (or signed off) when he reached New Zealand. When he married in Palmerston North, NZ, he was said to have been in the district for 4 years (I know he could have been elsewhere prior to that but have no information.) I know he was born in London in 1841, and was still in England for the 1851 census. I discovered him, aged 19, as a crewman on a coastal schooner at the time of the 1861 census. The vessel was Elizabeth Furner, a 57 ton Coaster Schooner. At the time of the census she was registered at Goole. The Captain was William Fratson (35), born in Yorkshire. Any suggestions? Paddy

Since no-one with greater knowledge has replied. Although other 'real' ships have borne the name, you are likely to be concerned with the HMS Pembroke that was the RNB (Royal Naval Baracks) Chatham. Google will provide you with a lot of general data, which is generally reliable, but obviously check specific data against original sources. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Yvonne <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I have a family photograph of a group of sailors all wearing sailor > uniforms with the hat band showing HMS Pembroke. > > One of the men on the photograph looks strikingly like my grandfather - he > was called Franics Malcolm born 1908 in Gateshead. He was in the Pioneer > Corp in WW11 so not sure how HMS Pembroke fits in. It could be a relative > of my grandfather but the likeness is uncanny. > > Can anyone tell me where or what HMS Pembroke was? Was it a training > establishment or was it an actual boat? > > Any leads would be great. > > Thank you > Yvonne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers,   I have a family photograph of a group of sailors all wearing sailor uniforms with the hat band showing HMS Pembroke.    One of the men on the photograph looks strikingly like my grandfather - he was called Franics Malcolm born 1908 in Gateshead.  He was in the Pioneer Corp in WW11 so not sure how HMS Pembroke fits in.  It could be a relative of my grandfather but the likeness is uncanny.   Can anyone tell me where or what HMS Pembroke was?  Was it a training establishment or was it an actual boat?   Any leads would be great.   Thank you Yvonne

Hi Mariners, I am trying to learn more about the subject vessel and its crew. In the Sydney Morning Herald, 17 July 1854 p.2 it is indicated as being chartered by the Government Emigration Commissioners. >> Emigration to Australia.-The ship Marshall Bennett, with Government emigrants, left Southampton last week for Geelong. The Navarino will shortly leave the same port with Government emigrants forAdelaide. The Government Emigration Commissioners have chartered the Black Eagle for Melbourne, the Moffatt, for Portland Bay, and the Confiance for Adelaide. >> I have it on TSL, sailing from Liverpool 25th June 1854, arriving at Melbourne 19th October 1854, 1,853 tons, old measurement. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.shtml Then this Ad in The Argus, Monday 13 November 1854 p.1 For Callao direct.-The fine AI clipper ship BLACK-EAGLE. 1468 tons register, J. Gemmell, Commander, will positively sail for the above port on Tuesday, 14th Inst. Has a few cabins still disengaged.. DE PASS BROTHERS and CO., agents. Here is the 1854 arrival on the Argus Friday 20 Oct. 1854 p.2 ... SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVALS. October 19. - Black Eagle, ship, 1468 tons, John Gemmell, from Liverpool 16th July, with 301 Government emigrants. D. McCosh, Surgeon Superintendent, John Gemmell, agent. I have her sailing again to Geelong, in 1857 but I couldn't find a detailed arrival report so I'm not sure whether John Gemmell was still the master and her tonnage is now shown as 1,250, new measure. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1858-1859.shtml I do believe I have found the right John Gemmell, as Mate in 1851 Name: John Gemmell Estimated Age: 28 Birth Date: 5 May 1823 Birth Place: Paisley, Renfrewshire Issue Date: 19 May 1851 Issue Port: Glasgow Certificate Number: 40.437 ... then Master 21 May 1853, Certificate Number 8.424 I then find him In the 1871 census for Kent with a wife and the first two of his children born in the Seychelles, the others in Kent. The birthdates of the children fit well with the two Australia trips. I cannot find him or his family after that, and absolutely nothing about the BLACK EAGLE, or any of her crew, so if anyone is able to expand on my knowledge about this vessel or any of her crew, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Hi Reg, Further to Graham's reply, Elder Dempster fleet history by Cowden & Duffy gives - Janssen first sighted Henry Stanley at 19.45hrs but lost sight of her in a rain squall at 20.30 hrs. She was resighted after dark and Janssen attacked on the surface firing one torpedo from the bow tube. This missed so a second torpedo was fired which also missed as the ship, having seen the first one's wake went hard a port. At 23.59 Janssen fired a third torpedo at a range of 1000 metres which hit forward. The ship was stopped and lowered her boats and at 00.37 the master was picked up by the U.103 and taken prisoner. In order to sink the ship, Janssen fired a fourth torpedo at 01.40 which caused a huge explosion from the cargo of dynamite. 52 crew and 10 passengers in four boats were never seen again and are thought perished in the gale which followed the sinking. Capt. Jones was released in April 1945. U.103 was bombed and sunk at Kiel on 15th Apr.1945. regards Ted On 17/06/2013 17:12, REGINALD DAVIES wrote: > I'm trying to find more about the fate of the Henry Stanley. A correspondent to my website says said that the S.S. (M.V.?) Henry Stanley, was torpedoed by a German U boat on 6th Dec. 1942. Apart from the Captain, Richard Jones, who was taken prisoner, all the crew and passengers were lost at sea, N.W. of the Azores. > > Is there any more detailed information about this event available? > Are there any publications or sources which can help study losses of ships in World War Two? > > Reg Davies > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Reg, I tried Google and this appeared. Subject to checking -of course - this looks like your ship. Graham Elder Dempster Line SS Henry Stanley. GRT 5026. Built 1929 6.12.42:Torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U-103 (Jansen), part of the "Westwall" patrol group of sixteen U-boats, in the Atlantic 580 miles NW of the Azores, in position 40.35N 39.40W while on a voyage from Liverpool 26.11.42 to Freetown and Lagos, with 11 passengers and 4000 tons of general cargo including explosives and bags of mail, a straggler from convoy ON 149 comprising 50 ships. The Master, Capt Richard Jones, was taken prisoner, landed at Lorient 29.12.42 and taken to Milag Nord. 44 crew, 8 gunners and passengers were lost. Capt Jones was the only survivor. Source: British and Commonwealth Merchant Ships Losses 1939 - 1945 by AJ Tennent. Disasters at Sea by Hocking. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:12 PM, REGINALD DAVIES <[email protected] > wrote: > I'm trying to find more about the fate of the Henry Stanley. A > correspondent to my website says said that the S.S. (M.V.?) Henry Stanley, > was torpedoed by a German U boat on 6th Dec. 1942. Apart from the > Captain, Richard Jones, who was taken prisoner, all the crew and > passengers were lost at sea, N.W. of the Azores. > > Is there any more detailed information about this event available? > Are there any publications or sources which can help study losses of > ships in World War Two? > > Reg Davies > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm trying to find more about the fate of the Henry Stanley. A correspondent to my website says said that the S.S. (M.V.?) Henry Stanley, was torpedoed by  a German U boat on 6th Dec. 1942. Apart from the Captain, Richard Jones, who was taken prisoner, all the crew and passengers were lost at sea, N.W. of the Azores.    Is there any more detailed information about this event available?  Are there any publications or sources which can help study losses of ships in World War Two?   Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/

It appears the first line may have been variable according to the ship or line involved! Version for BI ships online at: http://www.biship.com/song.htm#poop Ron Mapplebeck (UK) **** On 15/06/2013 16:16, Ted Finch wrote: > I don't know where this poem originated, but am sure it will be appreciated > by old Far East hands! > > Ted > > ODE TO THE POOP. > > Oh hasten my friends for > Socotra's arriving, > and with her the chance of some > buckshee imbibing. > Let us laud from the quay > her official elite, > As they strut on the deck with > their oversize feet. > Observe the Commander in > pristine white suit, > at the end of a sixteen > inch, he-man cheroot. > And the elegant Third > busy ogling a bird, > the Cadet noting down every > action and word. > While the dashing Fourth Mate you > will readily own, > cuts a right noble figure > while working the phone. > > ++++++++++++ > Observe on the fo'c'sle > in right regal state, > and dazzling apparel, the > honoured Chief Mate. > His crew all attentive in > eye straining white, > are proud to obey such a > man of great might. > His Cadet standing by with a > bright beady eye, > to please him would > doubtless be ready to die. > The Chippy who stands at his > brakes on tip-toe, > the dark visaged men in > the lockers below. > In fact every man-jack I > think you'll agree, > is a credit indeed to > this great Company. > > +++++++++++ > Now haste for the gangway is > already lowered, > and 'tis well to be foremost > among those on board. > The ale that awaits us > will go in a trice, > before reinforcements > can cool on the ice. > For they truthfully say, > so make no delay, > that the swift win the race and > the strong win the fray. > But before we press on to > partake of the cheer, > prepared by the Purser and > Chief Engineer, > I prithee one moment your > proud glance to stoop > and regard with compassion - the > man on the poop. > > +++++++++++++ > Observe how the Second Mate > lacks all serenity > as he strives to make fast that > unwholesome extremity. > With an air of > dejection so utterly final > his nose but a yard from > the fireman's urinal. > The execrable stench from the > Bhandary's bench > would cause the most stalwart > of heroes to blench. > His crew all look doleful > and sullen and grim > as they peer forth from > cavities dark and so dim. > And a definite aura of > baffled frustration > hangs around every man as he > stands at his station. > > ++++++++++++++ > Oh up on the Bridge how they > chortle with glee > as they think of the poop with its > fish-heads and ghee. > Where the garlic has drifted > like snow in the scupper > midst the week-old remains of the > Deck Serang's supper. > Where the expectorations of > Far Eastern nations > have gathered for what would > appear generations. > The sun deck that wards off > the pure solar ray > denying access to the > clean light of day, > collects all the rain and > through many a crack > directs the whole lot down the > Second Mate's back. > > ++++++++++++++++++ > Purgatorial Poop, with > selection of pains > devised by a sadist's > demoniacal brains. > Beware as you move lest your > clothing you soil, > for some fiend has coated the > rails with fuel oil. > And the leads were designed by a > tyro, whose mind, > would have been better use if > he'd left it behind. > To hurry is fatal, > you'll find if you try, > as your feet from beneath you > will certainly fly. > As you slide on the deck > impregnated with butter, > to end in an undignified > heap in the gutter. > > ++++++++++++++++++ > When the pungent aromas of > bad sanitation > have conspired to produce a > complete desperation, > the industrious Topass > in manner so neat, > spills a quart of > carbolic all over your feet. > And splashes the rest with > commendable zest > wherever he thinks the > effect will be best. > But though for a moment he > masks the condition > of fish in advanced stage > of decomposition, > 'Tis but a measure of > passing respite > as the odours creep back just like > thieves in the night. > > +++++++++++++++++++ > The telephone stands on > the sundeck above, > a position for which the > Cadet has no love. > In solitude left to > commune with his soul, > amidst derelict stages and > spare galley coal. > But though blinded by dust and > old chippings of rust > He never deserts this > position of trust. > Each order received he repeats > through clenched teeth > through a hole in the deck to > the Second beneath. > While that worthy develops a > neck like a gander > popping up through the hatch like a > U-boat Commander. > > +++++++++++++++++++ > Oh, the spring 'neath the horsebox > is hopelessly stuck, > We've bust two chain stoppers, > beheaded a duck. > The Tindal with language, may > Allah forgive him, > sorts out the wire from the > Ag-wallah's tiffin. > Though we're in a tight pinch yet > we wont move an inch > 'till the Cassab's brown hen is > removed from the winch. > And though on the Bridge they > most ardently yearn > to give the propellers > just one little turn. > Yet they must curb their > impatience we fear > for we'll save all the livestock > ere we say 'All Clear'. > > ++++++++++++++++++ > Aye! Bowse her in forard > as hard as a rock! > Aye! Leave the stern sticking > way over the dock! > And when for a little > slack forard we pray > just telephone aft the curt > words 'Heave Away!'. > Oh the men are past caring, the > Tindal's despairing, > The Second has taken to > bi-lingual swearing. > But an inch at a time > she is coming a little > doubtless due to the ship being > bent in the middle. > And as long as the crew > are not taken away > to turn out the gangway, > 'We'll get fast today!' > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know where this poem originated, but am sure it will be appreciated by old Far East hands! Ted ODE TO THE POOP. Oh hasten my friends for Socotra's arriving, and with her the chance of some buckshee imbibing. Let us laud from the quay her official elite, As they strut on the deck with their oversize feet. Observe the Commander in pristine white suit, at the end of a sixteen inch, he-man cheroot. And the elegant Third busy ogling a bird, the Cadet noting down every action and word. While the dashing Fourth Mate you will readily own, cuts a right noble figure while working the phone. ++++++++++++ Observe on the fo'c'sle in right regal state, and dazzling apparel, the honoured Chief Mate. His crew all attentive in eye straining white, are proud to obey such a man of great might. His Cadet standing by with a bright beady eye, to please him would doubtless be ready to die. The Chippy who stands at his brakes on tip-toe, the dark visaged men in the lockers below. In fact every man-jack I think you'll agree, is a credit indeed to this great Company. +++++++++++ Now haste for the gangway is already lowered, and 'tis well to be foremost among those on board. The ale that awaits us will go in a trice, before reinforcements can cool on the ice. For they truthfully say, so make no delay, that the swift win the race and the strong win the fray. But before we press on to partake of the cheer, prepared by the Purser and Chief Engineer, I prithee one moment your proud glance to stoop and regard with compassion - the man on the poop. +++++++++++++ Observe how the Second Mate lacks all serenity as he strives to make fast that unwholesome extremity. With an air of dejection so utterly final his nose but a yard from the fireman's urinal. The execrable stench from the Bhandary's bench would cause the most stalwart of heroes to blench. His crew all look doleful and sullen and grim as they peer forth from cavities dark and so dim. And a definite aura of baffled frustration hangs around every man as he stands at his station. ++++++++++++++ Oh up on the Bridge how they chortle with glee as they think of the poop with its fish-heads and ghee. Where the garlic has drifted like snow in the scupper midst the week-old remains of the Deck Serang's supper. Where the expectorations of Far Eastern nations have gathered for what would appear generations. The sun deck that wards off the pure solar ray denying access to the clean light of day, collects all the rain and through many a crack directs the whole lot down the Second Mate's back. ++++++++++++++++++ Purgatorial Poop, with selection of pains devised by a sadist's demoniacal brains. Beware as you move lest your clothing you soil, for some fiend has coated the rails with fuel oil. And the leads were designed by a tyro, whose mind, would have been better use if he'd left it behind. To hurry is fatal, you'll find if you try, as your feet from beneath you will certainly fly. As you slide on the deck impregnated with butter, to end in an undignified heap in the gutter. ++++++++++++++++++ When the pungent aromas of bad sanitation have conspired to produce a complete desperation, the industrious Topass in manner so neat, spills a quart of carbolic all over your feet. And splashes the rest with commendable zest wherever he thinks the effect will be best. But though for a moment he masks the condition of fish in advanced stage of decomposition, 'Tis but a measure of passing respite as the odours creep back just like thieves in the night. +++++++++++++++++++ The telephone stands on the sundeck above, a position for which the Cadet has no love. In solitude left to commune with his soul, amidst derelict stages and spare galley coal. But though blinded by dust and old chippings of rust He never deserts this position of trust. Each order received he repeats through clenched teeth through a hole in the deck to the Second beneath. While that worthy develops a neck like a gander popping up through the hatch like a U-boat Commander. +++++++++++++++++++ Oh, the spring 'neath the horsebox is hopelessly stuck, We've bust two chain stoppers, beheaded a duck. The Tindal with language, may Allah forgive him, sorts out the wire from the Ag-wallah's tiffin. Though we're in a tight pinch yet we wont move an inch 'till the Cassab's brown hen is removed from the winch. And though on the Bridge they most ardently yearn to give the propellers just one little turn. Yet they must curb their impatience we fear for we'll save all the livestock ere we say 'All Clear'. ++++++++++++++++++ Aye! Bowse her in forard as hard as a rock! Aye! Leave the stern sticking way over the dock! And when for a little slack forard we pray just telephone aft the curt words 'Heave Away!'. Oh the men are past caring, the Tindal's despairing, The Second has taken to bi-lingual swearing. But an inch at a time she is coming a little doubtless due to the ship being bent in the middle. And as long as the crew are not taken away to turn out the gangway, 'We'll get fast today!' +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Rosalind the Fair: Love your name. For some reason the full title of my message did not go through. It had the dates in it, 1702-1730. He was born outside of Singleton, Lancashire, a small place in 1702 so I used Poulton-le-Fylde. I know none of the ships names for sure but I thought one might be Tiger. His father was Richard Harrison also of Singleton/ Poulton-le-Fylde where the family Estate, Bankfield, was located.I do sincerely appreciate your efforts for me. Colin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Cuthbert HARRISON Hi Some dates would be really helpful, plus the name of the village. I can find two Cuthbert Harrisons on the 1861 census, one had a father who was a weaver, the other a railway porter. They were both alive 20 years later, one a weaver himself the other a brakesman. I can't see any others of the name, nor are there any entries for Cuthbert Harrison in the list of Masters and Mates certificates. Do you know his father's name? Or the name of any ships? Or his wife/children? Clare, Oxford UK >Cuthbert Harrison is my fifth great grand uncle. He was a sailing master out of Upper Wyre >and later out of London. His father owned the ships. He was born just east of Poulton le >Fylde and died in Bluefields, Nicaragua. Can anyone please point me in the direction >where I might find more information. I only have the notes from the family history. My sincere appreciation in advance for any help, Colin Harrison in southwest Utah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Some dates would be really helpful, plus the name of the village. I can find two Cuthbert Harrisons on the 1861 census, one had a father who was a weaver, the other a railway porter. They were both alive 20 years later, one a weaver himself the other a brakesman. I can't see any others of the name, nor are there any entries for Cuthbert Harrison in the list of Masters and Mates certificates. Do you know his father's name? Or the name of any ships? Or his wife/children? Clare, Oxford UK >Cuthbert Harrison is my fifth great grand uncle. He was a sailing master out of Upper Wyre >and later out of London. His father owned the ships. He was born just east of Poulton le >Fylde and died in Bluefields, Nicaragua. Can anyone please point me in the direction >where I might find more information. I only have the notes from the family history. My sincere appreciation in advance for any help, Colin Harrison in southwest Utah

Cuthbert Harrison is my fifth great grand uncle. He was a sailing master out of Upper Wyre and later out of London. His father owned the ships. He was born just east of Poulton le Fylde and died in Bluefields, Nicaragua. Can anyone please point me in the direction where I might find more information. I only have the notes from the family history. My sincere appreciation in advance for any help, Colin Harrison in southwest Utah

Hi again Colin, If you type your bloke`s name into Google you will find quite a lot of information on him with some contact addresses too of other family researchers. Good luck, Joe McMillan, South Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Harrison Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 4:43 AM To: mariners Subject: [MAR] Fw: True Enigma-Help Please From: Colin Harrison Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 1:06 PM To: Mariners Subject: True Enigma-Help Please I have a relative who has too many stories about him that add confusion to the story of his life. Any help in correcting what I say will be sincerely appreciated. His name was Desmond Anthony Drinkwater Paliologus MALDEN. No, that is not a lie. He was born in Australia in 1921 I think. I have seen his passage leaving Sydney with two older sisters in 1922, hence I think he was born in Australia. In 1938 in England he became a licensed radio operator for the Royal Mail. The next records show many voyages in and out of New York in 1939 until the war started. He was on the Lancastra. Was that a Royal Mail ship ? Or just a tourist ship ? In 1941 he was on an unnamed ship in Halifax. Shortly thereafter he was cited in the London paper for brave conduct when torpedoed. The ship he was on was the Port of Portland?? Subsequent papers show him as a lieutenant commander in the Royal Navy??? He was too young??? Later records show him in business directories in Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Islands---I am unable to access those directories. Still later he shows up in California in Los Angles on voter registration lists. With this persons four unique given names clearly spelled out every time I can’t believe there would be a second person with that same collection of names. He married Joyce Christian NAISH in Dec 1945 in East Glamorganshire. She was born 23 Jan 1921 in Pontypridd, Mommouthshire. Any clarity any kind sole can bring is most sincerely appreciated, Colin Harrison in southwest Utah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message