Hello Caroline, It took NANCY February to August to make the voyage Sydney to London via Rio de Janeriro. Even assuming a very quick turn-around in London, she's unlikely to have left for Australia again until late September 1831. Nancy was found drifting south of the equator. With the newspaper mention on December 5th, the time frame looks correct for ASIA to have fallen in with her, then arrived in Australia and reported the news. The Australian paper probably repeated the names of the passengers because that was of local interest and because that would help fix in readers' minds, just which vessel NANCY was. I didn't note any mentions of her loss in the British newspapers. But .... with an R.N. Commander, was she Navy? or commercial? If Navy, you may find more about her loss in National Archives ADM files. There are certainly lots of hits there for commanders named Henry Pryce. Regards, Adi >________________________________ > From: Caroline Gaden <[email protected]> >To: Mme_N_Carmichael <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 2:46:01 AM >Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship Nancy, Captain Henry Pryce, 1831 > > >... I wonder why the Sydney newspapers reported the loss >of 'Nancy' as late as December 1831 and actually named the passengers >from the Sydney to London voyage earlier in the year (ie left Sydney in >February)... ... >I have come across the loss of a whaling ship 'Nancy' with Captain Pryde >in New Zealand waters in March 1831 but surely they didn't mix the two >ships! > >I'll keep a look out for the Captain Pryce and crew of the wool ship >'Nancy' and see if I can work out which one was wrecked and when and where! >Many thanks for your help >Caroline >

Hello Caroline, > > >They made it to England all right. > > >On the evening of Wednesday, 17 August 1831, NANCY arrived off Falmouth, Cornwall. >Source: >Royal Cornwall Gazette, Falmouth Packet & Plymouth Journal (Truro, England), Saturday, August 20, 1831; Issue 1469 > > >And the next day, she arrived off Brighton. >Source: >The Morning Post (London, England), Saturday, August 20, 1831; Issue 18938 > > >The waterlogging and abandonment must have happened on the return voyage. > > >Regards, >Adi > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Caroline Gaden <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 9:48:43 PM >>Subject: [MAR] Ship Nancy, Captain Henry Pryce, 1831 >> >> >>Hello Listers >>I am trying to track down what heppened to the ship 'Nancy' and the >>Captain, crew and passengers en route from Sydney NSW to England. >>We know our ancestors survived the voyage but we'd like to know what >>happened and why the ship was deserted... any ideas where to go next for >>information gratefully accepted! >>Cheers >>Caroline >> > >

Sorry list, looks like I was wrong with the date, while it looks like 1921, I checked TROVE and found a newspaper article saying the Manuka was leaving Wellington on December 5, the article is from 1924. Jenny

Hi List, I have a merchant seaman's register card in the name of D. Coley. The information from the card reads - Name of Ship - Manuka Official No. - 117582 Trade - AS Place - W'gton (Wellingtown NZ I think) Date - 5.12.21 Capacity - Greaser Discharge Place & Date - Looks like Melbourne, 13.12.21 Conduct/Ability - Deserted Place of Birth - New Zealand Year of Birth - 1907 My questions are - I found the crew/passenger list for the above voyage at http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1921/12/025man.htm but couldn't find a Coley. The date of the voyage is the same, I couldn't find it going to Melbourne though, maybe what I think is Melbourne is something else. Also, the voyage left on 5.12.21 and D. Coley was discharged on 13.12.21, an 8 day voyage, is this correct. Was it unusual for a 14 year old to become a merchant marine? Any help appreciated. Thanks Jenny

Hi Eve The Maritime History Archive (Newfoundland) has several Crew agreements including one for 1890, see *http://tinyurl.com/ojwytzl * ** Although the original documents often went down with the ship, it was usually possible to reconstruct them using the duplicate copies. Cheers Piers ** On 4 July 2013 10:02, Eve Mills <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Howard, > > Thanks for that, all the info received confirms that "Arhtur Mills's > Penguin" was the SS Penguin which sank in the North Sea. What are the > chances of finding a > crew list when she went down or a photo of her, pretty remote I guess but > thought I'd ask the question to someone who knows. I've been Googling > without any > success. > > Kind Regards > > Eve > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Jul 04 2013, 09:15 AM > From: "[email protected]" > To: "[email protected]" > Cc: > Subject: [MAR] S.S.penguin > > Morning again Eve, the S.S. Penguin ON 47849 owned by the Union SS Co of > New Zealand, was the vessel which sank on Toms Island near Terawhiti, Cook > Strait > with the loss of 75 people. > Howard (Ted). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body > of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Howard, Thanks for that, all the info received confirms that "Arhtur Mills's Penguin" was the SS Penguin which sank in the North Sea. What are the chances of finding a crew list when she went down or a photo of her, pretty remote I guess but thought I'd ask the question to someone who knows. I've been Googling without any success. Kind Regards Eve ======================================== Message Received: Jul 04 2013, 09:15 AM From: "[email protected]" To: "[email protected]" Cc: Subject: [MAR] S.S.penguin Morning again Eve, the S.S. Penguin ON 47849 owned by the Union SS Co of New Zealand, was the vessel which sank on Toms Island near Terawhiti, Cook Strait with the loss of 75 people. Howard (Ted). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Bob, I am going to give you a non-answer answer and I have Cc'd Mariners List, so you might get a private answer from someone on that list. I do know that the number of crew would depend on whether SEA was sailing, rigged as a ship or a barque. I _think_ ship-rigged required fewer crew, but I may have that back to front. For memory for instance, I see emigrant vessels arriving at Quebec, barque-rigged, with passengers and then eastbound with lumber, ship-rigged. Sue On 7/3/2013 9:55 PM, Robert McKenzie wrote: > G'day Listers > Trying to ascertain if the following crew would be sufficient to sail an 840 > ton, three masted ship in ballast from Melbourne, Australia to Peru? > The crew of the Sea consisted of Captain Jas. McKay, Wm. McKay (chief > officer), W. Boyd (second ditto), Neil McLeod (boatswain), Carpenter, > seventeen able bodied seaman, one ordinary ditto, and two boys-in all, > twenty five. > On previous voyages she had crews of 40 and 37! > She was wrecked on Nepean Reef with this crew in 1853, and newspapers of the > day reported that some crew may have been in irons. > Would a crew of 25 be a 'normal' crew for such a vessel on such a journey? > There was one newspaper report that said she was bound for Sydney, Australia > then Peru. > > Cheers....Bob TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/

Morning again Eve, the S.S. Penguin ON 47849 owned by the Union SS Co of New Zealand, was the vessel which sank on Toms Island near Terawhiti, Cook Strait with the loss of 75 people. Howard (Ted).

Morning Eve , Penguin ON 73678 owned by General Steam Navigation, sank 13th February 1890, 10 miles NNE of Ameland (North Sea).  Howard (Ted). ________________________________ From: Eve Mills <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013, 19:49 Subject: [MAR] SS Penguin (of London) Hi, Can anyone help me with any further information relating to the SS Penguin (of London). She is recorded in the 1881 Census as being docked in Kent on the night of the census, an iron screw steamer coasting UK. Official Number 7367(8?) Registered Tonnage 582. Her Chief Mate Arthur Mills is related to me. Could you also tell me if this is the same ship that met her fate in Wellington Harbour New Zealand in 1909, Arthur Mills was not recorded as a member of the crew on that passage. Many thanks Eve ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Can anyone help me with any further information relating to the SS Penguin (of London). She is recorded in the 1881 Census as being docked in Kent on the night of the census, an iron screw steamer coasting UK. Official Number 7367(8?) Registered Tonnage 582. Her Chief Mate Arthur Mills is related to me. Could you also tell me if this is the same ship that met her fate in Wellington Harbour New Zealand in 1909, Arthur Mills was not recorded as a member of the crew on that passage. Many thanks Eve

Thank you, I will look for the books and see what is there about my Swanton relatives. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Curt and Peg Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 10:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON I have the two volume set of "A Maritime History of Bath, Maine and the kennebec River Region" by William Baker. There are detailed info on the region from the beginning. Curt Michener ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Monks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON > Greetings, > > May i thank you for your response, every detail is part of the overall > picture. It is rather like a jig saw puzzle. At the start, most > parts seem unlikely ever to fit, but eventually, they do. It is the > wonderful people on mariners that contribute to the greater > understanding. Many thanks. > > Peter > > On 2013-06-26, at 9:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I am busy with a house demolition but may have a slight bit of input >> to this query. William Swanton founded the first deep water shipyard >> in Maine (USA) well before the US Revolutionar y War. The town of >> origin is Bath, Maine. >> His shipyard eventually morphed into what is now the Bath Ironworks >> (or was still a decade ago). The first sailing ship built by Swanton >> was the Earl of Bute. >> >> >> >> Bath, Maine has an excellent maritime history muse um, probably online. >> >> >> >> William is about 9 generations back in my family; but my mother >> carried the name as her maiden name. I hope that is of some help. >> >> >> Jean Eichhorn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >> >> Hi Peter >> >> With the state of things in what would eventually become Italy one >> wonders if he might not have gone along the coast to Marseille, from >> whence, I think, there was a fairly regular packet to Malta, since, >> once the railway was built from Northern France to the South Coast, >> this would have been the quickest, and probably most economic way for >> people, mail and stores etc., to make their way from the UK to Malta. >> This, I think, would be in addition to the less regular packets or >> gunboats etc., that the Admiralty used to provide the same sort of >> support for RN mail and personnel once the UK to Malta and Crete >> packets were found to be uneconomic. Similarly, there was also >> something similar from Malta, through to Alexandria, for points East, >> passengers travelling overland to Suez to connect with packets from >> India, via the Red Sea, or for those who were in a real hurry, and >> the cash, overland. >> >> Seem to remember we called at Sicily and Malta in 1960, taking the >> ferry over to Regio, if only to say we'd put a foot on Italian soil - >> the poverty that prevailed seems to be my abiding memory, along with >> the large portions of spaghetti. We then went on to Piraeus and down >> the Suez, to Singapore etc. >> >> Paul >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:28:33 -0600, Peter Monks >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> May i thank you for your response, any information is gratefully >>> received. 1849/1850 Google has Lorenzo Snow in northern Italy, Genoa. >>> Then in Malta with intension of taking a vessel to west coast of the >>> USA, but engine breakdown caused a delay. Then the suez canal was >>> not yet open. My understanding that vessel engines were in early >>> days, so delays were possible. Tracking a person overland and to >>> malta, might be by coastal vessel. Steam trains were also in early >>> days, as were canals, coaches still left the mediteranian sea to >>> cross. (Some hundred years later i touched Italy, Sicily, Malta via >>> the RN) >>> >>> Many thanks, Peter >>> >>> On 2013-06-21, at 3:36 AM, Peter Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> During 1841 and 1842 SWANTON sailed for America under a Captain >>>> Caleb Heath, sailing between Liverpool and New York, apparently >>>> under the flag of "The New York Line of Packets", or at least >>>> sharing the same >>>> agent: P. W. Byrnes of Waterloo Road, Liverpool. I can't find any >>>> proper description of the vessel, but in advertising she was then >>>> referred to as a Ship (ie. a square rigger); she was clearly >>>> American built, and variously described as 1050 tons, or later "700 >>>> tons register" - whatever, she was large. Also then said to have >>>> been "built expressly for the convenience and accommodation of >>>> Second Cabin, and Steerage Passengers, who will be treated with >>>> every care and attention during the Passage by the Officers of the >>>> ship. Fresh water is served out daily." etc. The last sailing for >>>> New York appears to be June 14, 1842, when she carried 270 >>>> passengers. One of the passengers who sailed on the Swanton >>>> appears to have been Lawrence Pitkethly, merchant and Chartist from >>>> Huddersfield, who had articles about emigration published in The >>>> Northern Star and Leeds General Advertiser during June and July 1843. >>>> >>>> By 26 December 1842 she was commanded by a Captain Davenport, when >>>> she entered for loading at Liverpool destined for New Orleans, >>>> reportedly sailing by 16 January 1843, and arriving back on March >>>> 17. The last mention of Davenport as commander is in July 1844, and >>>> she was still arriving at Liverpool from New Orleans in 1849. I >>>> can find no mention of her in Lloyd's Registers of the period, but >>>> she may have been built at Bath, Maine - least-ways, she appears to have had Bath connections. >>>> >>>> All this is not very informative, but it may help! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Peter Klein >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Peter Monks <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 2:47 >>>> Subject: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >>>> >>>> >>>> Seeking information on vessal SWANTON sailing jan 1843 from >>>> liverpool to USA >>>> >>>> Lorenzo SNOW as passenger. >>>> >>>> Sincerally, Peter Monks Canada >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> 50 33' N, 2 26' W >> http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have the two volume set of "A Maritime History of Bath, Maine and the kennebec River Region" by William Baker. There are detailed info on the region from the beginning. Curt Michener ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Monks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON > Greetings, > > May i thank you for your response, every detail is part of the overall > picture. It is rather like a jig saw puzzle. At the start, most parts > seem unlikely ever to fit, but eventually, they do. It is the wonderful > people on mariners that contribute to the greater understanding. Many > thanks. > > Peter > > On 2013-06-26, at 9:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I am busy with a house demolition but may have a slight bit of input to >> this query. William Swanton founded the first deep water shipyard in >> Maine (USA) well before the US Revolutionar y War. The town of origin is >> Bath, Maine. >> His shipyard eventually morphed into what is now the Bath Ironworks (or >> was still a decade ago). The first sailing ship built by Swanton was the >> Earl of Bute. >> >> >> >> Bath, Maine has an excellent maritime history muse um, probably online. >> >> >> >> William is about 9 generations back in my family; but my mother carried >> the name as her maiden name. I hope that is of some help. >> >> >> Jean Eichhorn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >> >> Hi Peter >> >> With the state of things in what would eventually become Italy one >> wonders if he might not have gone along the coast to Marseille, from >> whence, I think, there was a fairly regular packet to Malta, since, >> once the railway was built from Northern France to the South Coast, >> this would have been the quickest, and probably most economic way for >> people, mail and stores etc., to make their way from the UK to Malta. >> This, I think, would be in addition to the less regular packets or >> gunboats etc., that the Admiralty used to provide the same sort of >> support for RN mail and personnel once the UK to Malta and Crete >> packets were found to be uneconomic. Similarly, there was also >> something similar from Malta, through to Alexandria, for points East, >> passengers travelling overland to Suez to connect with packets from >> India, via the Red Sea, or for those who were in a real hurry, and the >> cash, overland. >> >> Seem to remember we called at Sicily and Malta in 1960, taking the >> ferry over to Regio, if only to say we'd put a foot on Italian soil - >> the poverty that prevailed seems to be my abiding memory, along with >> the large portions of spaghetti. We then went on to Piraeus and down >> the Suez, to Singapore etc. >> >> Paul >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:28:33 -0600, Peter Monks >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> May i thank you for your response, any information is gratefully >>> received. 1849/1850 Google has Lorenzo Snow in northern Italy, Genoa. >>> Then in Malta with intension of taking a vessel to west coast of the >>> USA, but engine breakdown caused a delay. Then the suez canal was not >>> yet open. My understanding that vessel engines were in early days, so >>> delays were possible. Tracking a person overland and to malta, might be >>> by coastal vessel. Steam trains were also in early days, as were >>> canals, coaches still left the mediteranian sea to cross. (Some hundred >>> years later i touched Italy, Sicily, Malta via the RN) >>> >>> Many thanks, Peter >>> >>> On 2013-06-21, at 3:36 AM, Peter Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> During 1841 and 1842 SWANTON sailed for America under a Captain Caleb >>>> Heath, sailing between Liverpool and New York, apparently under the >>>> flag of "The New York Line of Packets", or at least sharing the same >>>> agent: P. W. Byrnes of Waterloo Road, Liverpool. I can't find any >>>> proper description of the vessel, but in advertising she was then >>>> referred to as a Ship (ie. a square rigger); she was clearly American >>>> built, and variously described as 1050 tons, or later "700 tons >>>> register" - whatever, she was large. Also then said to have been >>>> "built expressly for the convenience and accommodation of Second Cabin, >>>> and Steerage Passengers, who will be treated with every care and >>>> attention during the Passage by the Officers of the ship. Fresh water >>>> is served out daily." etc. The last sailing for New York appears to be >>>> June 14, 1842, when she carried 270 passengers. One of the passengers >>>> who sailed on the Swanton appears to have been Lawrence Pitkethly, >>>> merchant and Chartist from Huddersfield, who had articles about >>>> emigration published in The Northern Star and Leeds General Advertiser >>>> during June and July 1843. >>>> >>>> By 26 December 1842 she was commanded by a Captain Davenport, when she >>>> entered for loading at Liverpool destined for New Orleans, reportedly >>>> sailing by 16 January 1843, and arriving back on March 17. The last >>>> mention of Davenport as commander is in July 1844, and she was still >>>> arriving at Liverpool from New Orleans in 1849. I can find no mention >>>> of her in Lloyd's Registers of the period, but she may have been built >>>> at Bath, Maine - least-ways, she appears to have had Bath connections. >>>> >>>> All this is not very informative, but it may help! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Peter Klein >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Peter Monks <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 2:47 >>>> Subject: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >>>> >>>> >>>> Seeking information on vessal SWANTON sailing jan 1843 from liverpool >>>> to USA >>>> >>>> Lorenzo SNOW as passenger. >>>> >>>> Sincerally, Peter Monks Canada >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >> http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No not run by Lloyd's Register? just me and hopefully a few others. http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html is a private website with links to online Lloyd's Registers and I am not involved there either. Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Mapplebeck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Lloyds Registers > Mick, > > This looks like a project being run direct by Lloyd's Register?

Mick, This looks like a project being run direct by Lloyd's Register? As they already have quite a number of 19th century registers listed as online and searchable at: http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html is there any indication of which period they will now further be covering? Ron ***** On 30/06/2013 14:41, Mick O Rourke wrote: > Hi Listers > > Just like to gauge interest in a project to transcribe Lloyds Registers in > to a searchable data base. > The transcription software is already built and ready to go, just needs a > large group of volunteers to input data. > If any members would like to help out with transcription please email > [email protected] > Subject "Lloyds Registers" Message "Yes I would like to help". > > Mick > > www.irishshipwrecks.ie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers Just like to gauge interest in a project to transcribe Lloyds Registers in to a searchable data base. The transcription software is already built and ready to go, just needs a large group of volunteers to input data. If any members would like to help out with transcription please email [email protected] Subject "Lloyds Registers" Message "Yes I would like to help". Mick www.irishshipwrecks.ie

Thanks Michael All fixed http://www.mariners-list.com/site_pages.php?section=Shipping+Companies&category=English&page_name=John+I+Jacobs+%26+Co Mick O'Rourke Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:19 PM Subject: [MAR] John I. Jacobs >I was very interested to find your page > http://www.mariners-list.com/site_pages.php?section=Shipping+Companies&category=English&page_name=John+L+Jacobs+%26+Co > > as I have a family connection with the company. But may I point out that > it's John I. Jacobs, not John L Jacobs. > > Best wishes, > > Michael Rank > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, We're glad someone is keeping their eye on us. Thanks for contacting us and pointing out our error. Ron Mapplebeck Joint Administrator - Mariners List ***** On 28/06/2013 12:19, Michael Rank wrote: > I was very interested to find your page > http://www.mariners-list.com/site_pages.php?section=Shipping+Companies&category=English&page_name=John+L+Jacobs+%26+Co > > as I have a family connection with the company. But may I point out that it's John I. Jacobs, not John L Jacobs. > > Best wishes, > > Michael Rank > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Peter, I have no problem with text added to replies. It helps me remember what the original query was about. I sent you another piece, directly to your email with some duplication and some new sources to follow on the SWANTON. Your query has kick started me to go back to that family line and do more. If I find more about it I will be sure to send it on to you. Someone asked me today how long I had been "doing" genealogy. I just laughed. My maternal grandmother was named Larrabee, another old Maine name. Her direct antecedents arrived in Maine about 1730. When I would spend a month with my grandparents in the summers she would ask what I'd like for a bedtime story. I would always say, "tell me the family" which meant recite all of the Larrabee clan. I was also blessed with relatives who lived just a year short of forever. Although my grandmother was born in 1878, and I in 1947, I knew all of her siblings well ... the same with my Swanton relatives. Ah yes, those doublesided jigsaws ! Yikes ! When your family has lived in one state for as long as mine have, you find that every couple of generations the different surnames intermarry again so you end up related to everyone in a 50 mile radius ;-) Congratulations on 56 years ! That is a rare accomplishment now-a-days ! Those grandparents of whom I spoke made 66 years. Jean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Monks Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON Greetings, Another vessel AMARANTH to follow up on and Lorenzo Snow, fantastic. I beg your pardon for adding information to the text in response, i used to be computer literate then got sick and my dear wife got sick and so it went on, now i am creeping back into the modern technology. Our senior years are listed as possible sick years, sad thought. Perhaps you might be familiar with jig saw puzzles for experts it has different pictures both sides and supposedly a couple of rogue pieces that do not belong at all. So saying, we celebrate fifty five years, actualy 56 married. Trust the demolution is going safely. Is this by choice or forced upon you? I also do genealogy, one such individual joined up in the first world war, immediately promoted a petty officer RN and was put in armoured cars, Rolls Royce, with free wheeling behind enemy lines as a secret group with Churchhills backing. Similar to Lawrence of Arabia. Makes life difficult being secret. Shaving sticks being best for sump repairs on heavy repairs. Many thanks, Peter On 2013-06-27, at 9:06 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Hello Peter, > > > > Jigsaw is a good analogy. I think of the search as a treasure hunt. > Here are a couple of additional bits that I located through Google. I > searched ship Swanton about 1840 > > > > I found the following: Swanton Cap't Davenport departed Liverpool 16 Jan 1843 with 212 LDS immigrants. The church leader was Lorenzo Snow. They arrived New Orleans 16 March 1843, where they boarded a boat named Amaranth and went to Navaroo via the Mississippi. It is an interesting, first person, account of the voyage. This is located in www.ourfamilylegacy.info/files/reeveswilliam1801/immigration.doc > > > > The second piece I located was on Google Books. The book is titles 1400 Historical Dates of the Town and City of Bath, and the Town of Georgetown, by Levi P Lemont, Francie Winter. You will find info on pages 59-60 about ships built in Bath (including the Swanton. around pg 53 you will find info about the life and career of Cap't William Swanton who built the Earl of Bute. > > > > Jean > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Monks" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:53:48 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON > > Greetings, > > May i thank you for your response, every detail is part of the overall picture. It is rather like a jig saw puzzle. At the start, most parts seem unlikely ever to fit, but eventually, they do. It is the wonderful people on mariners that contribute to the greater understanding. Many thanks. > > Peter > > On 2013-06-26, at 9:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I am busy with a house demolition but may have a slight bit of input to this query. William Swanton founded the first deep water shipyard in Maine (USA) well before the US Revolutionar y War. The town of origin is Bath, Maine. >> His shipyard eventually morphed into what is now the Bath Ironworks (or was still a decade ago). The first sailing ship built by Swanton was the Earl of Bute. >> >> >> >> Bath, Maine has an excellent maritime history muse um, probably online. >> >> >> >> William is about 9 generations back in my family; but my mother carried the name as her maiden name. I hope that is of some help. >> >> >> Jean Eichhorn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >> >> Hi Peter >> >> With the state of things in what would eventually become Italy one >> wonders if he might not have gone along the coast to Marseille, from >> whence, I think, there was a fairly regular packet to Malta, since, >> once the railway was built from Northern France to the South Coast, >> this would have been the quickest, and probably most economic way for >> people, mail and stores etc., to make their way from the UK to Malta. >> This, I think, would be in addition to the less regular packets or >> gunboats etc., that the Admiralty used to provide the same sort of >> support for RN mail and personnel once the UK to Malta and Crete >> packets were found to be uneconomic. Similarly, there was also >> something similar from Malta, through to Alexandria, for points East, >> passengers travelling overland to Suez to connect with packets from >> India, via the Red Sea, or for those who were in a real hurry, and >> the cash, overland. >> >> Seem to remember we called at Sicily and Malta in 1960, taking the >> ferry over to Regio, if only to say we'd put a foot on Italian soil - >> the poverty that prevailed seems to be my abiding memory, along with >> the large portions of spaghetti. We then went on to Piraeus and down >> the Suez, to Singapore etc. >> >> Paul >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:28:33 -0600, Peter Monks >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> May i thank you for your response, any information is gratefully >>> received. 1849/1850 Google has Lorenzo Snow in northern Italy, >>> Genoa. Then in Malta with intension of taking a vessel to west >>> coast of the USA, but engine breakdown caused a delay. Then the >>> suez canal was not yet open. My understanding that vessel engines >>> were in early days, so delays were possible. Tracking a person >>> overland and to malta, might be by coastal vessel. Steam trains >>> were also in early days, as were canals, coaches still left the >>> mediteranian sea to cross. (Some hundred years later i touched >>> Italy, Sicily, Malta via the RN) >>> >>> Many thanks, Peter >>> >>> On 2013-06-21, at 3:36 AM, Peter Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> During 1841 and 1842 SWANTON sailed for America under a Captain >>>> Caleb Heath, sailing between Liverpool and New York, apparently under the flag of "The New York Line of Packets", or at least sharing the same agent: P. W. Byrnes of Waterloo Road, Liverpool. I can't find any proper description of the vessel, but in advertising she was then referred to as a Ship (ie. a square rigger); she was clearly American built, and variously described as 1050 tons, or later "700 tons register" - whatever, she was large. Also then said to have been "built expressly for the convenience and accommodation of Second Cabin, and Steerage Passengers, who will be treated with every care and attention during the Passage by the Officers of the ship. Fresh water is served out daily." etc. The last sailing for New York appears to be June 14, 1842, when she carried 270 passengers. One of the passengers who sailed on the Swanton appears to have been Lawrence Pitkethly, merchant and Chartist from Huddersfield, who had articles about emigration published in Th! e Northern Star and Leeds General Advertiser during June and July 1843. >>>> >>>> By 26 December 1842 she was commanded by a Captain Davenport, when she entered for loading at Liverpool destined for New Orleans, reportedly sailing by 16 January 1843, and arriving back on March 17. The last mention of Davenport as commander is in July 1844, and she was still arriving at Liverpool from New Orleans in 1849. I can find no mention of her in Lloyd's Registers of the period, but she may have been built at Bath, Maine - least-ways, she appears to have had Bath connections. >>>> >>>> All this is not very informative, but it may help! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Peter Klein >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Peter Monks <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 2:47 >>>> Subject: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >>>> >>>> >>>> Seeking information on vessal SWANTON sailing jan 1843 from >>>> liverpool to USA >>>> >>>> Lorenzo SNOW as passenger. >>>> >>>> Sincerally, Peter Monks Canada >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> 50 33' N, 2 26' W >> http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was very interested to find your page http://www.mariners-list.com/site_pages.php?section=Shipping+Companies&category=English&page_name=John+L+Jacobs+%26+Co as I have a family connection with the company. But may I point out that it's John I. Jacobs, not John L Jacobs. Best wishes, Michael Rank

Greetings, Another vessel AMARANTH to follow up on and Lorenzo Snow, fantastic. I beg your pardon for adding information to the text in response, i used to be computer literate then got sick and my dear wife got sick and so it went on, now i am creeping back into the modern technology. Our senior years are listed as possible sick years, sad thought. Perhaps you might be familiar with jig saw puzzles for experts it has different pictures both sides and supposedly a couple of rogue pieces that do not belong at all. So saying, we celebrate fifty five years, actualy 56 married. Trust the demolution is going safely. Is this by choice or forced upon you? I also do genealogy, one such individual joined up in the first world war, immediately promoted a petty officer RN and was put in armoured cars, Rolls Royce, with free wheeling behind enemy lines as a secret group with Churchhills backing. Similar to Lawrence of Arabia. Makes life difficult being secret. Shaving sticks being best for sump repairs on heavy repairs. Many thanks, Peter On 2013-06-27, at 9:06 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Hello Peter, > > > > Jigsaw is a good analogy. I think of the search as a treasure hunt. Here are a couple of additional bits that I located through Google. I searched ship Swanton about 1840 > > > > I found the following: Swanton Cap't Davenport departed Liverpool 16 Jan 1843 with 212 LDS immigrants. The church leader was Lorenzo Snow. They arrived New Orleans 16 March 1843, where they boarded a boat named Amaranth and went to Navaroo via the Mississippi. It is an interesting, first person, account of the voyage. This is located in www.ourfamilylegacy.info/files/reeveswilliam1801/immigration.doc > > > > The second piece I located was on Google Books. The book is titles 1400 Historical Dates of the Town and City of Bath, and the Town of Georgetown, by Levi P Lemont, Francie Winter. You will find info on pages 59-60 about ships built in Bath (including the Swanton. around pg 53 you will find info about the life and career of Cap't William Swanton who built the Earl of Bute. > > > > Jean > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Monks" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:53:48 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON > > Greetings, > > May i thank you for your response, every detail is part of the overall picture. It is rather like a jig saw puzzle. At the start, most parts seem unlikely ever to fit, but eventually, they do. It is the wonderful people on mariners that contribute to the greater understanding. Many thanks. > > Peter > > On 2013-06-26, at 9:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I am busy with a house demolition but may have a slight bit of input to this query. William Swanton founded the first deep water shipyard in Maine (USA) well before the US Revolutionar y War. The town of origin is Bath, Maine. >> His shipyard eventually morphed into what is now the Bath Ironworks (or was still a decade ago). The first sailing ship built by Swanton was the Earl of Bute. >> >> >> >> Bath, Maine has an excellent maritime history muse um, probably online. >> >> >> >> William is about 9 generations back in my family; but my mother carried the name as her maiden name. I hope that is of some help. >> >> >> Jean Eichhorn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:05:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >> >> Hi Peter >> >> With the state of things in what would eventually become Italy one >> wonders if he might not have gone along the coast to Marseille, from >> whence, I think, there was a fairly regular packet to Malta, since, >> once the railway was built from Northern France to the South Coast, >> this would have been the quickest, and probably most economic way for >> people, mail and stores etc., to make their way from the UK to Malta. >> This, I think, would be in addition to the less regular packets or >> gunboats etc., that the Admiralty used to provide the same sort of >> support for RN mail and personnel once the UK to Malta and Crete >> packets were found to be uneconomic. Similarly, there was also >> something similar from Malta, through to Alexandria, for points East, >> passengers travelling overland to Suez to connect with packets from >> India, via the Red Sea, or for those who were in a real hurry, and the >> cash, overland. >> >> Seem to remember we called at Sicily and Malta in 1960, taking the >> ferry over to Regio, if only to say we'd put a foot on Italian soil - >> the poverty that prevailed seems to be my abiding memory, along with >> the large portions of spaghetti. We then went on to Piraeus and down >> the Suez, to Singapore etc. >> >> Paul >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:28:33 -0600, Peter Monks >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> May i thank you for your response, any information is gratefully received. 1849/1850 Google has Lorenzo Snow in northern Italy, Genoa. Then in Malta with intension of taking a vessel to west coast of the USA, but engine breakdown caused a delay. Then the suez canal was not yet open. My understanding that vessel engines were in early days, so delays were possible. Tracking a person overland and to malta, might be by coastal vessel. Steam trains were also in early days, as were canals, coaches still left the mediteranian sea to cross. (Some hundred years later i touched Italy, Sicily, Malta via the RN) >>> >>> Many thanks, Peter >>> >>> On 2013-06-21, at 3:36 AM, Peter Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> During 1841 and 1842 SWANTON sailed for America under a Captain Caleb Heath, sailing between Liverpool and New York, apparently under the flag of "The New York Line of Packets", or at least sharing the same agent: P. W. Byrnes of Waterloo Road, Liverpool. I can't find any proper description of the vessel, but in advertising she was then referred to as a Ship (ie. a square rigger); she was clearly American built, and variously described as 1050 tons, or later "700 tons register" - whatever, she was large. Also then said to have been "built expressly for the convenience and accommodation of Second Cabin, and Steerage Passengers, who will be treated with every care and attention during the Passage by the Officers of the ship. Fresh water is served out daily." etc. The last sailing for New York appears to be June 14, 1842, when she carried 270 passengers. One of the passengers who sailed on the Swanton appears to have been Lawrence Pitkethly, >>>> merchant and Chartist from Huddersfield, who had articles about emigration published in The Northern Star and Leeds General Advertiser during June and July 1843. >>>> >>>> By 26 December 1842 she was commanded by a Captain Davenport, when she entered for loading at Liverpool destined for New Orleans, reportedly sailing by 16 January 1843, and arriving back on March 17. The last mention of Davenport as commander is in July 1844, and she was still arriving at Liverpool from New Orleans in 1849. I can find no mention of her in Lloyd's Registers of the period, but she may have been built at Bath, Maine - least-ways, she appears to have had Bath connections. >>>> >>>> All this is not very informative, but it may help! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Peter Klein >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Peter Monks <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 2:47 >>>> Subject: [MAR] Vessal SWANTON >>>> >>>> >>>> Seeking information on vessal SWANTON sailing jan 1843 from liverpool to USA >>>> >>>> Lorenzo SNOW as passenger. >>>> >>>> Sincerally, Peter Monks Canada >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >> http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message