Hi Raymond, The ship's name was the Clontarf (C for Charlie), built Quebec 1850, 1091 tons.  Her last entry in Lloyd's Register was in 1861/62 (last updated in 1858).  The Official Number was 15847, registered at London, but by 1867 her home port was Sunderland.  There are crew lists surviving for 1866 and 1867, in the Maritime History Archive, Newfoundland, code I1, with official log present (see http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/crewlistforms_new.php).  Hopefully you might find here all the information you need. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: RAYMOND THOMPSON <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013, 16:07 Subject: [MAR] Thomas ANGUS death and burial at Sea Hi List,   Help Please.   On 23rd of February 1866 The Seaham Weekly News reported the death and burial at sea of Thomas ANGUS on 17th of January following a short illness aboard the Glontarf on route from Alexandria to the U.K.   The newspaper reports that Thomas was a seaman aboard the Glontarf of Sunderland I can find no trace of a Glontarf and wondered if it could be The Clondarf built 1850 Quebec.    Previously Thomas was reported to be master of the Fellowship of Seaham.   Thomas was born in 1822 in Hull and was a well known person in the Seaham Harbour.   I have searched local maritime indexes without success. Is there any way I can confirm the ships name or discover other circumstances of the death.   Cheers for now,   Raymond Thompson   Seaham Harbour   County Durham ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ted, Thank you very much for the info on FUTURITY,certainly fills a few gaps in the little ships career. Wonder what eventually became of her. Hope you are keeping well. Regards, Joe. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Finch Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:16 PM To: Joe McMillan ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 Hi Joe, Here is all I have on Futurity (o.n.335785) 199 g.t., 1968 completed by Clelands Shipbuilding, Wallsend for Everard. 1.1973 transferred to J. Hay & Sons, Glasgow. 9.1983 sold to B.F & R.J. Sully, T.J., A.H & G. J. Palmer, London renamed Subro Victor. 1984 owners became Sully Freight, London. 1985 sold to G. Palmer, Gravesend. 1986 owners became G., T & A. Palmer, Gravesend. 1987 renamed Katie W. 7.1987 sold to Lima Services, Kingstown, St. Vincent renamed Katie. 1990 still in service. No later info. Info from Everard of Greenhithe by K. S. Garrett. Sorry, nothing on Tor. regards Ted On 13/07/2013 08:29, Joe McMillan wrote: > Hi there, > Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small > vessels. > Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London > Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners > I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent > fates. > Any information will be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List,   Help Please.   On 23rd of February 1866 The Seaham Weekly News reported the death and burial at sea of Thomas ANGUS on 17th of January following a short illness aboard the Glontarf on route from Alexandria to the U.K.   The newspaper reports that Thomas was a seaman aboard the Glontarf of Sunderland I can find no trace of a Glontarf and wondered if it could be The Clondarf built 1850 Quebec.    Previously Thomas was reported to be master of the Fellowship of Seaham.   Thomas was born in 1822 in Hull and was a well known person in the Seaham Harbour.   I have searched local maritime indexes without success. Is there any way I can confirm the ships name or discover other circumstances of the death.   Cheers for now,   Raymond Thompson   Seaham Harbour   County Durham

Morning Joe, TOR Motor Ship 968g    708n       (499g    229n) 218' 05" x 32' 07" x 12' 01 (1/2)" Oil 2 S A 8Cy  290 x 490mm Alpha Diesel A/S 12.1954. Completed by Orenstein Koppel & Lubecker Masch, Lubeck # 496 for Stockholms Rederi A/B Svea, Stockholm as TOR 1965-Sold to I/S Lars Rej Johansen & Knut A Knutsen (Lars Rej Johansen), Oslo Re JO TOR 1970-Sold to Globus Shipping & Trading (Pte) Ltd, Singapore. N/un. 1975-Sold to United Venture Shipping (Pte) Ltd, Singapore. Re UNITED REEFER 1978-Sold to Moariffi Transport Co. N/un. 1980-same owners Re HAMID , Sharjah. Still listed in Lloyds 2004-2005 Hope this helps. Ted. ________________________________ From: Joe McMillan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 8:29 Subject: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 Hi there,             Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small vessels. Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent fates. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A little bit on TOR, assuming that this is the one you mean: 499grt 874nrt built 1954 12 Orenstein-Koppel u. Lubecker Maschinenbau AG, Lubeck (Yd 496) 1954 TOR 1965 JO-TOR 1975 UNITED REEFER 1980 HAMID, Moareffi Transport Co, Ajman (UAE flag) 1/2012 deleted from LR/IHS-Fairplay as continued existence in doubt The former FORMALITY and FUTURITY also deleted for same reason in 11/2012 and 6/2009 respectively. DAvid > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:59:26 +0930 > From: "Joe McMillan" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 > > Hi there, > Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small > vessels. > Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London > Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners > I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent > fates. > Any information will be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > ------------------------------ > >

G`day Colin, Thank you for the info on FORMALITY ,it is very difficult to obtain info on these small vessels. I wonder what her final fate was. Cheers, Joe. From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:32 PM To: Joe McMillan ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 Morning Joe, I can only help with the FORMALITY at the moment. Built : Clelands Shipbuilders Ltd., Willington Quay. Yard No. 304 Launched : 14/05/1968 Number : 335826 07/1968 F.T.Everard & Sons Ltd., Greenhithe 09/1987 Panther Trading Ltd. (A.J. & A. Pratt, Managers), Douglas, I.O.M., renamed EAU DE VIE 1988 T. & D. Murrell & T. Wood, London, renamed THAMESWOOD 1991 Taylor Marine Contracts Ltd. 1993 Milton Maritime Management Ltd. (Merlin Marine Management Ltd. Managers) 07/06/1993 John Bailey & Leslie Blair Noted in 07/2011 as being laid up since 03/05/1995 >From a personal point of view I remember being on board on several occasions in the early 1980's sorting out hatch cover problems. I'll keep looking for the other two and get back to you Cheers Colin Boyd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe McMillan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 8:29 Subject: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 Hi there, Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small vessels. Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent fates. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small vessels. Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent fates. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia.

Hi Joe, Here is all I have on Futurity (o.n.335785) 199 g.t., 1968 completed by Clelands Shipbuilding, Wallsend for Everard. 1.1973 transferred to J. Hay & Sons, Glasgow. 9.1983 sold to B.F & R.J. Sully, T.J., A.H & G. J. Palmer, London renamed Subro Victor. 1984 owners became Sully Freight, London. 1985 sold to G. Palmer, Gravesend. 1986 owners became G., T & A. Palmer, Gravesend. 1987 renamed Katie W. 7.1987 sold to Lima Services, Kingstown, St. Vincent renamed Katie. 1990 still in service. No later info. Info from Everard of Greenhithe by K. S. Garrett. Sorry, nothing on Tor. regards Ted On 13/07/2013 08:29, Joe McMillan wrote: > Hi there, > Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small vessels. > Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London > Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners > I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent fates. > Any information will be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Morning Joe, I can only help with the FORMALITY at the moment. Built : Clelands Shipbuilders Ltd., Willington Quay. Yard No. 304 Launched : 14/05/1968 Number : 335826 07/1968 F.T.Everard & Sons Ltd., Greenhithe 09/1987 Panther Trading Ltd. (A.J. & A. Pratt, Managers), Douglas, I.O.M., renamed EAU DE VIE 1988      T. & D. Murrell & T. Wood, London, renamed THAMESWOOD 1991       Taylor Marine Contracts Ltd. 1993      Milton Maritime Management Ltd. (Merlin Marine Management Ltd. Managers) 07/06/1993 John Bailey & Leslie Blair Noted in 07/2011 as being laid up since 03/05/1995 From a personal point of view I remember being on board on several occasions in the early 1980's sorting out hatch cover problems. I'll keep looking for the other two and get back to you Cheers Colin Boyd ________________________________ From: Joe McMillan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 8:29 Subject: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 Hi there,             Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small vessels. Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent fates. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Peter, in my ignorance I assumed an Indiaman was a ship with the HEIC. Thanks for putting me straight! Caroline On 10-Jul-13 3:23 PM, Peter Beeston wrote: > Pryce is not listed by Farrington in his Biographical Index of HEIC > officers. O'Byrne says that Pryce commanded Indiamen but does not say that > these were Company ships. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Caroline Gaden > Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2013 2:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship Nancy, Captain Henry Pryce, 1831 > > Hello Listers > Thanks to help received form this list I now know Captain Henry Pryce, > the commander of the 'Nancy' sailing from Sydney to London in 1831 had > also commanded HEIC ships. I have Farrington's Catalogue of EIC Ship's > journals and logs 1600-1834 which is sorted by ship but I don't have the > data sorted by Captain. > Rather than trawl ship by ship through the 700+ pages, I wonder does > anyone have such an officers list and if so please could you possibly > advise which HEIC Ships Henry Pryce did command, then I can go back into > my book and extract the specifics. I'm trying to work out if the family > would have known him from their trips to and from St Helena. > Many thanks > Caroline > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Author of "Pounding Along to Singapore, a history of the 2/20 Battalion AIF", available from [email protected] "From Baron to Battler, the story of Dr CUD Schrader of Walcha, 1860-1900" available from <www.smashwords.com/books/view/129058> "The Schrader Letters, 1871-1896" available from <www.smashword.com/books/view/109893>

Pryce is not listed by Farrington in his Biographical Index of HEIC officers. O'Byrne says that Pryce commanded Indiamen but does not say that these were Company ships. -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Gaden Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2013 2:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship Nancy, Captain Henry Pryce, 1831 Hello Listers Thanks to help received form this list I now know Captain Henry Pryce, the commander of the 'Nancy' sailing from Sydney to London in 1831 had also commanded HEIC ships. I have Farrington's Catalogue of EIC Ship's journals and logs 1600-1834 which is sorted by ship but I don't have the data sorted by Captain. Rather than trawl ship by ship through the 700+ pages, I wonder does anyone have such an officers list and if so please could you possibly advise which HEIC Ships Henry Pryce did command, then I can go back into my book and extract the specifics. I'm trying to work out if the family would have known him from their trips to and from St Helena. Many thanks Caroline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers Thanks to help received form this list I now know Captain Henry Pryce, the commander of the 'Nancy' sailing from Sydney to London in 1831 had also commanded HEIC ships. I have Farrington's Catalogue of EIC Ship's journals and logs 1600-1834 which is sorted by ship but I don't have the data sorted by Captain. Rather than trawl ship by ship through the 700+ pages, I wonder does anyone have such an officers list and if so please could you possibly advise which HEIC Ships Henry Pryce did command, then I can go back into my book and extract the specifics. I'm trying to work out if the family would have known him from their trips to and from St Helena. Many thanks Caroline

Hello Adi and Peter Yes you are right Adi, I knew the family had 'survived' the trip, in fact I have only just discovered the report of the 'Nancy' being lost but then found the report from Rio saying they were safe but had run into bad weather round Cape Horn. I remain curious to know if they did abandon ship and then return to it or if the Franch vessel saw no one on the decks so assumed all were lost (how close would the French ship have gone to check her out?) or if the French ship read the incorrect name and if so which ship was lost... so many questions and so few answers!!! Surprisingly the family made another trip to and from Australia, so the rough trip did not deter them from a couple more long sea trips... braver than me, the longest sea trip I have done is from Cape Town to the island of St Helena and return and we were lucky enough to have a smooth trip. Thanks everyone All the best Caroline On 10-Jul-13 4:07 AM, Mme_N_Carmichael wrote: > Thank you, Peter. I didn't know that. Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule? Perhaps this is a second ex-RN Henry Pryce? But ... I think that it is a bit of a blind alley. From Caroline's first post, I got the impression that her main persons-of-interest were passengers on that Sydney-Rio-London voyage and that she was chasing down the abandonment for human interest filler to their story. > > Regards, > Adi > > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Peter Beeston <[email protected]> >> To: Mme_N_Carmichael <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 2:25:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship Nancy, Captain Henry Pryce, 1831 >> >> >> Generally speaking, all officers whose biographies are included in O'Byrne >> were alive in the 1840s. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Author of "Pounding Along to Singapore, a history of the 2/20 Battalion AIF", available from [email protected] "From Baron to Battler, the story of Dr CUD Schrader of Walcha, 1860-1900" available from <www.smashwords.com/books/view/129058> "The Schrader Letters, 1871-1896" available from <www.smashword.com/books/view/109893>

Out of curiosity I googled and found the following additional detail for Captain Amos Hubbell on a Find a Grave site as well as the name of his sloop : Captain Amos was a member of the firm Richard Hubbell & Son, merchant. He was an active whig during the Revolution. The battle off Stratford Point took place on Feb. 20 1783 with Capt. Amos Hubbell of Stratford capturing the privateer sloop "Three Brothers". Capt. Hubbell commanded the seventy two ton sloop "Julius Caesar", built in Bedford Mass. 1782. "Captain Hubbell's capture was listed in the records of the Fairfield County Maritime Court and reported by Col. Benjamin Talmadge in a letter to Gen. Washington, written from Greenfield Hill, Fairfield and dated Feb. 21 1783. Paddy Byers On 09/07/2013, at 3:26 PM, william otis <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Jordan, > Don't know if you have this entry on the engagement you speak of. It is > from the Papers of the Continental Congress. As you can see, the question > you pose is answered here - at least from the American side, with Captain > Hubbel commanding the vessel and Captain Brewster commanding the troops > onboard her. > From my take on this account, as written by Tallmadge, I'd say that > Johnstone was the commissioned captain of this THREE BROTHERS sloop: > "One of the latest naval exploits of the war was the capture of a British > privateer in Long Island Sound by a detachment of forty men from the army. > Colonel Tallmadge, in a report to General Washington, dated Greenfield, > Connecticut, February 21, 1783, says: "Yesterday the Enemy's Vessel was > discovered near Stratford Point, when at 2 o'Clock P.M. the troops were > embarked in a fast sailing Vessel prepared for that purpose, which was > commanded by Capt. Hubbel, and at 4 P.M. they came up with her, when she > gave a discharge of her Cannon followed by her Swivels and Musketry (our > troops being concealed) till both Vessels met, when the troops rose, gave > the Enemy one discharge of Musketry and boarded them with fixed Bayonets. > The Captain of the Privateer was killed and only three or four of his Men > were wounded, two of them supposed mortally wounded. Tho' Captain Hubbel's > Vessel was much damaged in her Hull, Spars & Rigging, Yet not a man on board > was killed or wounded. Captain Brewster, who commanded the Troops, as well > as the other Officers and Soldiers on board, deserve Commendation for the > Spirit and Zeal with which this Service has been performed. The Privateer is > called the Three Brothers, was commanded by Captain Johnstone, mounting > eleven Carriage Guns, four Swivels and twenty-five Stand of small Arms, and > navigated by twenty-one men." (Pap. Cont. Conqr., 152, 11, 87.)" > Hope this helps, > Bill Otis > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Jordan Peeples" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 11:41 PM > Subject: [MAR] "Captain" of a Privateer > Hello, > Would it have been common during the American revolution for a privateer to > have two men referred to as "Captain"? > I imagine that if this is the case one man would be the master of the > vessel, the mariner, while the other would be a military captain. > I ask over confusion with who was captain of the privateer sloop Three > Brothers. The History of Maritime Connecticut during the American > Revolution, 1775-1783 by Louis Middlebrook says: > "Amos Hubbell of Stratford, commander, is recorded in the records of the > Fairfield County Maritime Court as having captured the British privateer > sloop Three Brothers, Cornwall late master..." > > On the same page it quotes a letter written by Benjamin Tallmadge to Geo. > Washington saying: > "One of the latest naval exploits of the Revolutionary War was the > capture of the British privateer Three Brothers, commanded by Captain > Johnstone (?) [the author's ?]...." > Washington afterwards sent Tallmadge a confiscated "passport" that British > Adm. Robert Digby granted to Capt. Jacob Cornwell (full name given, my > ancetor), master of the Three Brothers. This passport was granted 31 Dec > 1777 and the Three Brothers was taken on 20 Feb 1773. There were many sloops > of that name (due to the popular Child Ballad Henry Martin), but in all > accounts this sloop was operating in the Connecticut River and Long Island > sound within the same month. Johnstone was killed in the engagement. I want > to think that Cornwell was the captain of the ship while Johnstone was the > military/militia captain who controlled the men at the guns, the 25 > musketeers and may have been the top authority, but wasn't a mariner. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > Best, > Jordan Peeples > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Peter. I didn't know that. Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule? Perhaps this is a second ex-RN Henry Pryce? But ... I think that it is a bit of a blind alley. From Caroline's first post, I got the impression that her main persons-of-interest were passengers on that Sydney-Rio-London voyage and that she was chasing down the abandonment for human interest filler to their story. Regards, Adi >________________________________ > From: Peter Beeston <[email protected]> >To: Mme_N_Carmichael <[email protected]>; [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 2:25:58 AM >Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship Nancy, Captain Henry Pryce, 1831 > > >Generally speaking, all officers whose biographies are included in O'Byrne >were alive in the 1840s. > > > > > > >

Hello Jordan, Don't know if you have this entry on the engagement you speak of. It is from the Papers of the Continental Congress. As you can see, the question you pose is answered here - at least from the American side, with Captain Hubbel commanding the vessel and Captain Brewster commanding the troops onboard her. From my take on this account, as written by Tallmadge, I'd say that Johnstone was the commissioned captain of this THREE BROTHERS sloop: "One of the latest naval exploits of the war was the capture of a British privateer in Long Island Sound by a detachment of forty men from the army. Colonel Tallmadge, in a report to General Washington, dated Greenfield, Connecticut, February 21, 1783, says: "Yesterday the Enemy's Vessel was discovered near Stratford Point, when at 2 o'Clock P.M. the troops were embarked in a fast sailing Vessel prepared for that purpose, which was commanded by Capt. Hubbel, and at 4 P.M. they came up with her, when she gave a discharge of her Cannon followed by her Swivels and Musketry (our troops being concealed) till both Vessels met, when the troops rose, gave the Enemy one discharge of Musketry and boarded them with fixed Bayonets. The Captain of the Privateer was killed and only three or four of his Men were wounded, two of them supposed mortally wounded. Tho' Captain Hubbel's Vessel was much damaged in her Hull, Spars & Rigging, Yet not a man on board was killed or wounded. Captain Brewster, who commanded the Troops, as well as the other Officers and Soldiers on board, deserve Commendation for the Spirit and Zeal with which this Service has been performed. The Privateer is called the Three Brothers, was commanded by Captain Johnstone, mounting eleven Carriage Guns, four Swivels and twenty-five Stand of small Arms, and navigated by twenty-one men." (Pap. Cont. Conqr., 152, 11, 87.)" Hope this helps, Bill Otis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Peeples" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 11:41 PM Subject: [MAR] "Captain" of a Privateer Hello, Would it have been common during the American revolution for a privateer to have two men referred to as "Captain"? I imagine that if this is the case one man would be the master of the vessel, the mariner, while the other would be a military captain. I ask over confusion with who was captain of the privateer sloop Three Brothers. The History of Maritime Connecticut during the American Revolution, 1775-1783 by Louis Middlebrook says: "Amos Hubbell of Stratford, commander, is recorded in the records of the Fairfield County Maritime Court as having captured the British privateer sloop Three Brothers, Cornwall late master..." On the same page it quotes a letter written by Benjamin Tallmadge to Geo. Washington saying: "One of the latest naval exploits of the Revolutionary War was the capture of the British privateer Three Brothers, commanded by Captain Johnstone (?) [the author's ?]...." Washington afterwards sent Tallmadge a confiscated "passport" that British Adm. Robert Digby granted to Capt. Jacob Cornwell (full name given, my ancetor), master of the Three Brothers. This passport was granted 31 Dec 1777 and the Three Brothers was taken on 20 Feb 1773. There were many sloops of that name (due to the popular Child Ballad Henry Martin), but in all accounts this sloop was operating in the Connecticut River and Long Island sound within the same month. Johnstone was killed in the engagement. I want to think that Cornwell was the captain of the ship while Johnstone was the military/militia captain who controlled the men at the guns, the 25 musketeers and may have been the top authority, but wasn't a mariner. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Best, Jordan Peeples ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Would it have been common during the American revolution for a privateer to have two men referred to as "Captain"? I imagine that if this is the case one man would be the master of the vessel, the mariner, while the other would be a military captain. I ask over confusion with who was captain of the privateer sloop Three Brothers.  The History of Maritime Connecticut during the American Revolution, 1775-1783 by Louis Middlebrook says: "Amos Hubbell of Stratford, commander, is recorded in the records of the Fairfield County Maritime Court as having captured the British privateer sloop Three Brothers, Cornwall late master..." On the same page it quotes a letter written by Benjamin Tallmadge to Geo. Washington saying: "One of the latest naval exploits of the Revolutionary War was the capture of the British privateer Three Brothers, commanded by Captain Johnstone (?) [the author's ?]...." Washington afterwards sent Tallmadge a confiscated "passport" that British Adm. Robert Digby granted to Capt. Jacob Cornwell (full name given, my ancetor), master of the Three Brothers.  This passport was granted 31 Dec 1777 and the Three Brothers was taken on 20 Feb 1773.  There were many sloops of that name (due to the popular Child Ballad Henry Martin), but in all accounts this sloop was operating in the Connecticut River and Long Island sound within the same month.  Johnstone was killed in the engagement.  I want to think that Cornwell was the captain of the ship while Johnstone was the military/militia captain who controlled the men at the guns, the 25 musketeers and may have been the top authority, but wasn't a mariner. Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Best, Jordan Peeples

on 8 Dec 2012 Steve Nichols wrote The ex Italian merchant ship Olimpia, ( built as Rickmer Rickmers ,1920, 6,040 tons ) seized by German forces in September of 1943 was sunk by British destroyers 14th Oct 1943 in the Adriatic. I can only find an SS Olympus ( 5,216 tons ) sunk in Adriatic on 7th Oct 1943 by HMS Faulknor, Fury, Penelope and Sirius. Is this the same ship? I can find no trace of a surface action on the 14th. Any information would be appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>> and Ted Finch replied <snip> Sep.1943 seized by Germans at Trieste. 16th Oct.1943 torpedoed and sunk off Lissa, in Bocche di Cattaro by British motor torpedo boats. >>>>>>>>>>>> There have been some related queries on Warsailors - http://warsailors.com/forum/list.php?1 - always a useful source for this kind of information (or for asking if it is not already there). But there is something very odd in this case. One member writes that 15 Oct 1943 OLIMPIA sailed from Trieste for Durazzo [Durres, Albania] with 648t hay & straw, 105t ammunition, 912t "pioneer material", 833t foodstuffs, 1124t oats and 1290t flour. 16 Oct 1943 sunk around 5pm by the destroyers HMS TUMULT (R-11) and HMS TYRIAN (R-67). http://warsailors.com/forum/read.php?1,13240,13240 But now suggested that OLIMPIA was sunk in error by German coastal artillery on that same date 16 Oct 1943 (and noting claim that she had been sunk 14 Oct by the British destoyers (apparently before she had left Trieste). http://warsailors.com/forum/read.php?1,53462. And there is another twist. See [www.iwm.org.uk] This describes a collection of photographs concerning HMS TUMULT 14-16 Oct 1943 ............... Earlier, on 6 Dec 1940, OLIMPIA was disabled by torpedo from British submarine HMS TRITON (N-15) when outbound from Trieste, but subsequently repaired. best wishes DAvid

Three Shackford brothers (John, Luther, and Samuel Q) were passengers on the Steamer Corsair when it left Boston on Jan 31, 1849 to Chagres. Newspaper articles show that it stopped in New York departing around Feb 14, 1849. Am wondering who was on the crew and when their ship arrived in Chagres. Also since these passengers are all listed as heading towards California for the Gold Rush, did they cross the Panama Isthmus together and was there a plan for them to all board a ship on the other side together? If so, might anyone know how I can learn what that ship might have been? THANKS very much for any help you can offer Joanne Shackford Parkes

Thanks Paul My initial reference to "Elizabeth Furner" came from googling Harry William Byers 1861 census England I then went back a page by clicking vessels at the top of the page, scrolled down to "Elizabeth Furner" and got the census instructions to the captain on one page and his details about the boat and its whereabouts on census night. He stated that the "coaster schooner" was registered at Goole. I am interested in attempting to discover how long Harry William Byers worked on boats. Paddy On 06/07/2013, at 11:05 PM, Paul Brookes <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Paddy, > > If its Elizabeth Turner reference: > > http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=29199 > > Regards > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message