I have been following it on the news, While its a relief that all onboard were taken off safely the loss of a sail training vessel is a real disaster. http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0724/464385-tall-ship-astrid/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: [MAR] Loss of the sail training vessel Astrid > > The 30 crew and trainees from the 42 metre sail training vessel Astrid > were rescued by the RNLI. The Astrid then broke up and sank in the > heavy swell - see : > > http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/10569100.Weymouth_s_former_tall_ship_runs_aground_off_Irish_coastline/?ref=rss > > http://www.pbo.co.uk/news/534965/tall-ship-astrid-sinks-off-the-cork-coast > > Paul > Isle of Portland > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 30 crew and trainees from the 42 metre sail training vessel Astrid were rescued by the RNLI. The Astrid then broke up and sank in the heavy swell - see : http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/10569100.Weymouth_s_former_tall_ship_runs_aground_off_Irish_coastline/?ref=rss http://www.pbo.co.uk/news/534965/tall-ship-astrid-sinks-off-the-cork-coast Paul Isle of Portland

Hello C.V., Are you aware of "Lloyd's List", twice-weekly maritime newspaper? You can access it for free online and for 1825 and 1826 you will get several hits for her to help you recontruct her travels. (I used 'Butler' as my search term.)  On the front page of issue #6123, dated 9 June 1826 is: "                     Cape of Good Hope,                                March 23rd The Harmony, Butler, was totally wrecked in coming out of the Knyana on the 13th inst. Crew saved." There. That gives you a specific date. Here's the link: http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000549597 In the 1826 edition of Lloyd's Register of shipping, free online, she apears to be # 144 under the 'H" and that gives you a little information about her build. http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.htmlhttp:// FindMyPast (subscription/credits site) has a few hits for possible Richard Butler-s in their merchant seamen records e.g. there is one born 1788 in Whitby Yorkshire, another born 1806 in St. Dunmore and a third born 1808 in Dublin. Might be worthwhile buying a few credits there. Regards, Adi P.S. Erm ... if you write again, perhaps you will tell us your name. (Smile) it just seems a bit friendlier. >________________________________ > From: C. V. <[email protected]> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:08:44 AM >Subject: [MAR] Need help to find any information about brig Harmony (circa 1825) > > >Hi everybody, > >I try to find every information about the british snow/brig Harmony. I try to know more about the last captain, Richard Butler, in 1825-1826. The ship wrecked mear South Africa, but it seems it came from London but I don't know if it's possible to find any information about crew and captain. > >Thank you in advance.  >                        > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you very much for these information! :) > Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 16:53:30 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] Need help to find any information about brig Harmony (circa 1825) > > Hi - > > Some information I found on the Harmony on the British Press, though I am > afraid that I found nothing on the wreck. > > The Harmony was reported in the Morning Post 28 Nov 1825, arriving at the > Cape (Captain Butler) from England, July 6th. > The ship Harmony arrived with Captain Butler was reported at St. Helena's > in the Morning Post on 28 Nov 1825, having left the Cape on the 29th of > September, but was also reported as a sailing from St. Helena "The Harmony, > Butler, from Rio, the 4th of October." > > Regards, Rhonda > > > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:08 AM, C. V. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I try to find every information about the british snow/brig Harmony. I try > > to know more about the last captain, Richard Butler, in 1825-1826. The ship > > wrecked mear South Africa, but it seems it came from London but I don't > > know if it's possible to find any information about crew and captain. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, Thank you for responding to my request re. Barone Ricasoli,the photo on the photoship site is a later vessel built 1916 for Italian owners. Kindest regards, Joe. From: Peter Klein Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 7:07 PM To: Joe McMillan ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Barone Ricasoli or Barons Ricasole Hi Joe, A picture of a Milazzo appears on the Photoship website. Your vessel, perhaps, although it could be later? http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20M/index31.html Regards, PK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe McMillan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 9:52 Subject: [MAR] Barone Ricasoli or Barons Ricasole Hi all,can anyone provide any information on the small iron steamship Barone Ricasoli [or Barons Ricasole] built 1865 by J.G.Lawrie,Glasgow yard number 27 probably built for C.D.Pellas Any information on this shipo would be most welcome. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ted, Thank you so much for the info on Barone Ricasoli,just what i was after,you always come up with the goods. Cheers, Joe. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Finch Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 6:45 PM To: Joe McMillan ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Barone Ricasoli or Barons Ricasole Hi Joe, Barone Ricasoli 142 g.t., 130ft x 17.1ft x 9.4ft, iron hulled steamer, engines by Blackwood & Gordon, Port Glasgow. 1865 completed for Carlo Alberti Pellas for the La Spezia - Lerici service. 1867 owned by Peirano Donovano. 1877 Fleet taken over by Florio following the loss of the mail contract. 1881 transferred to Navigazione Generale Italiana. 1887 sold to Societa Siciliana di Nav. a Vapeur, Messina renamed Milazzo 1915 scrapped. Info from Merchant Fleets vol.40 'Italia' by Duncan Haws. Hope this helps Regards Ted On 21/07/2013 09:52, Joe McMillan wrote: > Hi all,can anyone provide any information on the small iron steamship > Barone Ricasoli [or Barons Ricasole] built 1865 by J.G.Lawrie,Glasgow yard > number 27 probably built for C.D.Pellas > Any information on this shipo would be most welcome. > Thank you in advance, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The names of some of his other ships were the Governor, the Eclipse and the Free Trade. These were of the John Lidgett and Sons Australian Line of Packets and were all over 1000 tons (1857). Another ship, the John Masterman, was a Government emigration ship (but owned by the Lidgetts) which went to the Cape of Good Hope from Southampton in 1861. Under this advert it says apply to John Lidgett and Sons, Ship and Insurance Brokers. He died 17th June 1861 and left "under £60,000". His wife Ann Jacob and sons John Jacob and George (both ship owners) were the executors. His will might be interesting. John Jacob Lidgett married Maria Elizabeth Scott 7/9/1851 at St John's Westminster. This was a C of E wedding in spite of the fact that Maria's father was the Principal of the Westminster Wesleyan Training College. I couldn't find an obituary, which surprised me. Clare Oxford _UK_ (mailto:[email protected]) >Am seeking more information on Mr. John Lidgett who is shown as a Master Mariner when he married in >1828.By 1851 he describes himself as a Ship Owner, of 13 ships (trading as Lidgett & Co or Lidgett & son).

Hi Have you any access to the database 19th Century British Newspapers? Some libraries grant this. There are well over 200 entries for John Lidgett, many of them to a man of that man who was director of the Star Life Assurance Company. May be the same man, but there is no further information. However, several papers reported the following- With reference to your letter of the 17th December last covering a petition from various British Masters frequenting the Baltic to his Majesty the King of Denmark respecting the early removal of the buoys and beacons in the Sound.....the King...is pleased to grant the prayer of the petitioners.....in future the buoys and beacons are to remain until the navigation is stopped by lee and three additional buoys are to be placed in the part of the Sound called the Grounds Letter from the British Consul at Elsinore to Captain John Lidgett Morning Post March 24th 1834. John seems to have been quite a one for political action, as he also signed a petition to Sir Robert Peel, regarding Systematic Colonization in order to promote trade, increase employment , remove some sources of general distress and improve the state of the country! (Morning Post March 27 1843) He also attended a Meeting of the Friends of British Navigation held to try to prevent the repeal of the Navigation laws, April 4th 1849 reported April 5th One of the ships he owned was the Gratitude, 400 tons, sailing to Port Adelaide and advertised in the Daily news Feb 10th 1848 "well-known fast-sailing British built" I imagine other listers will have looked at the same database for you, but contact me if you would like me to look further he did not apply for a Master's certificate of Service, presumably because he had no need of one in 1851 Clare Oxford UK >Hi Listers >Am seeking more information on Mr. John Lidgett who is shown as a Master Mariner when he >married in 1828.By 1851 he describes himself as a Ship Owner, of 13 ships (trading as Lidgett & Co >or Lidgett & son).

Hi Listers Am seeking more information on Mr. John Lidgett who is shown as a Master Mariner when he married in 1828.By 1851 he describes himself as a Ship Owner, of 13 ships (trading as Lidgett & Co or Lidgett & son). John

Hi all,can anyone provide any information on the small iron steamship Barone Ricasoli [or Barons Ricasole] built 1865 by J.G.Lawrie,Glasgow yard number 27 probably built for C.D.Pellas Any information on this shipo would be most welcome. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia.

Hi - Some information I found on the Harmony on the British Press, though I am afraid that I found nothing on the wreck. The Harmony was reported in the Morning Post 28 Nov 1825, arriving at the Cape (Captain Butler) from England, July 6th. The ship Harmony arrived with Captain Butler was reported at St. Helena's in the Morning Post on 28 Nov 1825, having left the Cape on the 29th of September, but was also reported as a sailing from St. Helena "The Harmony, Butler, from Rio, the 4th of October." Regards, Rhonda On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:08 AM, C. V. <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I try to find every information about the british snow/brig Harmony. I try > to know more about the last captain, Richard Butler, in 1825-1826. The ship > wrecked mear South Africa, but it seems it came from London but I don't > know if it's possible to find any information about crew and captain. > > Thank you in advance. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everybody, I try to find every information about the british snow/brig Harmony. I try to know more about the last captain, Richard Butler, in 1825-1826. The ship wrecked mear South Africa, but it seems it came from London but I don't know if it's possible to find any information about crew and captain. Thank you in advance.

Hi Joe, A picture of a Milazzo appears on the Photoship website.  Your vessel, perhaps, although it could be later?  http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20M/index31.html Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Joe McMillan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013, 9:52 Subject: [MAR] Barone Ricasoli or Barons Ricasole Hi all,can anyone provide any information on the small iron steamship Barone Ricasoli [or Barons Ricasole] built 1865 by J.G.Lawrie,Glasgow yard number 27 probably built for C.D.Pellas Any information on this shipo would be most welcome. Thank you in advance,     Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joe, Barone Ricasoli 142 g.t., 130ft x 17.1ft x 9.4ft, iron hulled steamer, engines by Blackwood & Gordon, Port Glasgow. 1865 completed for Carlo Alberti Pellas for the La Spezia - Lerici service. 1867 owned by Peirano Donovano. 1877 Fleet taken over by Florio following the loss of the mail contract. 1881 transferred to Navigazione Generale Italiana. 1887 sold to Societa Siciliana di Nav. a Vapeur, Messina renamed Milazzo 1915 scrapped. Info from Merchant Fleets vol.40 'Italia' by Duncan Haws. Hope this helps Regards Ted On 21/07/2013 09:52, Joe McMillan wrote: > Hi all,can anyone provide any information on the small iron steamship Barone Ricasoli [or Barons Ricasole] built 1865 by J.G.Lawrie,Glasgow yard number 27 probably built for C.D.Pellas > Any information on this shipo would be most welcome. > Thank you in advance, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am wondering if it's possible to find more information on a Merchant seaman David Rattray of Montrose Scotland, Register Ticket 248700. I found his Register Ticket number on Find My Past UK and have also found some of his voyages on Find My Past , between the years 1854 -1857 (Although deciphering the ships names is a little challenging). I am not sure if it is the David Rattray I am searching for, hence the request as to whether there would be more information on him from when he registered. I am in New Zealand, so any information would be appreciated Thanks Jude

>From time to time there are queries on Mariners about employees of the East India Co. I see from the programme of the Docklands History Group in London that their evening talk programme includes: Wed 6th Nov at Museum of London Docklands The East India Company's Maritime Service by Richard Morgan of the Families in British India Society http://www.docklandshistorygroup.org.uk/events.html DAvid

Hi Janice, From www.access.prov.vic.gov.au - Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871 . HENDY WILLIAM 23 JUN 1856 FAIRLIE Book 11 Page 238 Can't find passenger list on line. Cheers, David On 7/18/2013 8:18 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Could you help please. I am trying to locate a passenger who travelled > aboard 'Fairlie' to Victoria, Australia arriving 1850's. > > I have located bare information on Ancestry. Also if I could locate > details of the ship and its' crew would be appreciated. > > Thank you > > Name: William Hendy > > Age: 23 > > Departed Plymouth ? When > > Arrived: Melbourne, Victoria June 1856 > > > > > ------------------------- > Email sent using Optus Webmail > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could you help please. I am trying to locate a passenger who travelled aboard 'Fairlie' to Victoria, Australia arriving 1850's. I have located bare information on Ancestry.  Also if I could locate details of the ship and its' crew would be appreciated. Thank you Name: William Hendy Age: 23 Departed Plymouth ? When Arrived: Melbourne, Victoria June 1856     ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail

Hi David,thank`s for that info,between you and Howard i have most of what i am after, Regards, Joe. -----Original Message----- From: asprey david Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 A little bit on TOR, assuming that this is the one you mean: 499grt 874nrt built 1954 12 Orenstein-Koppel u. Lubecker Maschinenbau AG, Lubeck (Yd 496) 1954 TOR 1965 JO-TOR 1975 UNITED REEFER 1980 HAMID, Moareffi Transport Co, Ajman (UAE flag) 1/2012 deleted from LR/IHS-Fairplay as continued existence in doubt The former FORMALITY and FUTURITY also deleted for same reason in 11/2012 and 6/2009 respectively. DAvid > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:59:26 +0930 > From: "Joe McMillan" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 > > Hi there, > Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small > vessels. > Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London > Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners > I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent > fates. > Any information will be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Howard,this is what i was after. Kindest regards, Joe. From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:36 PM To: Joe McMillan ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 Morning Joe, TOR Motor Ship 968g 708n (499g 229n) 218' 05" x 32' 07" x 12' 01 (1/2)" Oil 2 S A 8Cy 290 x 490mm Alpha Diesel A/S 12.1954. Completed by Orenstein Koppel & Lubecker Masch, Lubeck # 496 for Stockholms Rederi A/B Svea, Stockholm as TOR 1965-Sold to I/S Lars Rej Johansen & Knut A Knutsen (Lars Rej Johansen), Oslo Re JO TOR 1970-Sold to Globus Shipping & Trading (Pte) Ltd, Singapore. N/un. 1975-Sold to United Venture Shipping (Pte) Ltd, Singapore. Re UNITED REEFER 1978-Sold to Moariffi Transport Co. N/un. 1980-same owners Re HAMID , Sharjah. Still listed in Lloyds 2004-2005 Hope this helps. Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe McMillan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 8:29 Subject: [MAR] Formality 1968,Futurity 1968 & Tor 1954 Hi there, Can anyone assist with the histories of the following small vessels. Formality & Futurity both built 1968 for F.T.Everard & Sons,London Tor built 1954 for Swedish owners I am seeking the full histories of these 3 vessels and their subsequent fates. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message