Howdy, I have 6 Thomas Wilcox's. Born 1672, 1701, 1713, 1720, 1740, and 1741. They w2ere all from thr RI, MA USA area. Do any of them fit? Ron Bartlett ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Martin<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:27 PM Subject: [MAR] Ships my GGG-Grandfather sailed/worked on Hi everyone. I trust that you are well. In June 2013, I finally got some info on my GGG-Grandfather, Thomas Willcox & the ships he sailed on. His rank varied from apprentice to 1st Mate, in a 28 year career. Is there a website I could go to, to find out more about the ships (i.e. cargo)? I have the names, tonnage of the ship’s and were they were from & were they went to (for some). Any help gratefully appreciated. Simon Simon Martin Station Retailer Merseyrail Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> Web www.merseyrail.org<http://www.merseyrail.org<http://www.merseyrail.org%3chttp//www.merseyrail.org>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Eunice, Contemporary pictures of the Margaret Pugh are likely to be difficult to find.  I have tried various websites, such as http://www.photoship.co.uk/Browse%20Ship%20Galleries/, which is always worth trying, but with no result.  Dr. A.S.Davidson's book "Marine Art & Liverpool" (Waine, 1986) has nothing, nor Roger Finch's "The Pierhead Painters" (Hutchinson, 1983), nor Art and the Seafarer (Faber, 1968). You could try a direct enquiry to the National Waterfront Museum at Swansea:   http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/swansea/, and they might have something in their collection of photographs or paintings.  A better chance might have been to find a picture locally to Pwllheli, although had there been something it's almost certain that the Pwllheli Shipbuilding website at http://www.rhiw.com/y_mor/hanes_llongau_llyn/pwllheli/pwllheli_shipbuilding..htm would have illustrated it.  Have you tried contacting them ([email protected])? Someone out there may have something, either a photograph or pierhead painting, but establishing contact will be difficult and you may have to be very patient.  Sadly this applies to all early shipping images, and the widely scattered owners/collectors jealously guard copyright, but it would be wonderful if there was some central registry of shipping pictures.  But that's a pipe dream!   Best regards, PK ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 2:29 Subject: Re: [MAR] The "Margaret Pugh" Hello everyone, Can anybody advise me where I could find a picture of the three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) which was the largest vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862.  The ‘Margaret Pugh’ was registered at Caernarfon (No. 36 November 17, 1862). Her maiden voyage from Liverpool to San Francisco and back to Liverpool, began on January 23, 1863 and ended on April 18, 1864. The engagement was from Liverpool to San Francisco, thence (if required) to any ports and places in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans and China and Eastern Seas, thence to a port for Orders and to the Continent of Europe if required, and back to a port of final discharge in the United Kingdom, the term not to exceed three years'. The “Margaret Pugh” was one of the first Liverpool vessels to resume trade with southern US ports after the ending of the Civil War, sailing to Mobile in September 1865. She was sold to French owners (Bourdeaux) in June 1878, and renamed Oceanie, she was destroyed by fire in 1892. With many thanks for any assistance that may be forthcoming. Eunice Bold-Edwards South Australia [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, Can anybody advise me where I could find a picture of the three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) which was the largest vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862. The ‘Margaret Pugh’ was registered at Caernarfon (No. 36 November 17, 1862). Her maiden voyage from Liverpool to San Francisco and back to Liverpool, began on January 23, 1863 and ended on April 18, 1864. The engagement was from Liverpool to San Francisco, thence (if required) to any ports and places in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans and China and Eastern Seas, thence to a port for Orders and to the Continent of Europe if required, and back to a port of final discharge in the United Kingdom, the term not to exceed three years'. The “Margaret Pugh” was one of the first Liverpool vessels to resume trade with southern US ports after the ending of the Civil War, sailing to Mobile in September 1865. She was sold to French owners (Bourdeaux) in June 1878, and renamed Oceanie, she was destroyed by fire in 1892. With many thanks for any assistance that may be forthcoming. Eunice Bold-Edwards South Australia [email protected]

Hi Friends. Sorry to disturb you with my bad english, the school is far now alas, and please excuse me. Who could help me to confirm details about this LST 3030 with a unique life after the World War II? LST 3030 built by Hall, Russel & Co – Aberdeen She was completed and for a small time HMS LST with the Royal Navy before converted in a floating herring oil factory or not? So completed as a mercantile ship because the work was interrupted. The work was at Stord after a towing from Newcastle, why? when? for a long time? The Norwegian owner was Bartz-Johannessen which renamed the LST 3030 CLUPEA. She was sold to a french owner in the beginning of 1961, do you know the date? and converted in a fish congelator factory ship before the new short life with French flag or Mauretanian flag because the home port was Port Etienne? I am looking also about photos. Cheers Yves from France

Edward Simmons of North Shields was on a ship called "Athol", then master of "Cygnet".  In 1780 he bought a ship called "Fraternity" and renamed it "Providence and Mary". Can anyone give me his ticket number or any other information.  Any advice would be very helpful   Michael

Good morning I think I am looking for the proverbial needle, but I would very much like to find any corroboration of the following-- Alexander Mckeich Crighton was probably 1st mate (as he had a Mates certificate but not a Masters) of a ship wrecked off Cuba about 1857-61. He had probably left from Scotland. He was born in Port Glasgow 1822 and said to be "about 35" when shipwrecked. He was taken to Jamaica to get a ship home, which he did not in fact do. His name is variously spelled Crichton and Creighton. I understand there were newspapers in Cuba at the time, but I have no idea how to access them , nor can I read Spanish! There is a website with passenger lists! If only someone had written down the name of the ship! if it were easy......... Clare A Oxford UK

Farrington has John Willie of the MARQUIS CAMDEN as born 22nd December, 1807, Crewkerne, Somerset, son of William and Mary. Midshipman PRINCESS CHARLOTTE OF WALES 1824/5, and WINCHELSEA 1825/6, 4th Mate MARQUIS CAMDEN 1827/8.

A great big thank you to Peter, Peter, & Paul! Captain John Willie was born in 1807 in Crewkerne, so that one is mine! Looking over my notes, I believe I have my dates off a few years, so that makes a huge difference? The Singapore Free Press and Mercantile Advertiser, 10 Aug 1837, had arrivals Aug. 3, Ship "Lord Auckland," Captain J. Willie, From Calcutta, Date of Departure 29th June; Destination China. The Nautical Magazine, Vol. 37, page 139 - Google Books about July 1838, the teak ship Lord Auckland - Captain John Wyllie, left Calcutta. ** Google Books Calcutta Monthly Journal and General Register .. for the year 1836, published 1837, p. 10. Departures March 16 [1836] -- Barque Virginie, J. Willie, from Moulmein. Thanks again, Celia

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:27:12 -0600, Celia Summers <[email protected]> wrote: >Godowns Can't help with your query, but for what it's worth "godowns" were usually warehouses built in port areas in the Indian Ocean and Far East, invariably within the customs area, ie before goods had been cleared : they was used to store goods prior to being put on board ship, or the reverse, ie goods and materials which had been disembarked. So one wonders if there shouldn't have been the name of a port somewhere in that description of a destination ? The term is possibly a Eurpopean corruption of local terminology, but I've heard many suggestions over the years eg from pigeon English to a term describing where they were situated and thus where you had to go to get to them. Paul 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Celia, The first mention appearing in London newspapers of Captain Willie commanding the Hope is for 1845, when he arrived at Calcutta from Penang on November 18th.  The report of his final voyage, dated from Calcutta 7 November 1848, said:  "The Hope, Willie, from Calcutta for Penang, went down with all hands (except five Lascars saved by the Framjee Cowasjee) 14th ult. in lat. 17 N. long. 86 E."   Similarly, his connection with the Kitty is reported from January 1842 (under East India Shipping) until July 1845 when "The Kitty, Willie, for Penang" appears among a list of casualties in a storm.  Hortensia was commanded by a Captain Reed during 1838, but from September 1838 is under a Captain "Willey", out from Singapore, and this might have been his first command if he is the same man. Hereafter the spellings are various - Welley, Willy - but she appears under a Captain Storey by 1841.  Finally, Lloyd's Register for 1839/40 shows Hortensia with no less than four captains' names entered - J. Read, W. Whale, J. Will... (?), and W. Storey, but the printing is superimposed and indistinct.  The fact that none of these references seem to overlap chronologically suggest that he might be one and the same man.   I'm sorry if this does not make matters much clearer. Regards, Peter Klein    ________________________________ From: Celia Summers <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 18:27 Subject: [MAR] Captain John Willie Please, I am interested in John Willie, Master Mariner of Calcutta, India, who died on the barque "Hope" in the Bay of Bengal, 14 Oct 1848, in a storm.  Using Google I found several "Captain J. Willie" mentioned and wonder if they are this John Willie or another Captain? "Marquis Camden" - year 1828 - 4th officer John Willie (if him would have been 21 years) - East-India Company's ship barque "Virginie" - 1835, 1836, 1837 - John White, John Wittie, & J. Wellie (listed in 1835), John Willie teak ship "Lord Auckland" - 1836, 1837, 1838, 1839 - John Willie - ship owner Boustead, Schwabe & Co. (I see the "Lord Auckland" on Lloyd's register, in 1840, owner Brown, master McDonld, but don't see on the register in the years looking for) brig "Kitty" - 1840, 1841, 1842, 1843, 1844, 1845 - John Willie barque "Hope" - 1845, 1846, 1847, 1848 - John Willie, John Wyllie (Brig Hortensia - Singapore 11 Sep 1838 - Captain Willie - Syme & Co. - from London to Godowns) 1839-Lloyd's Register of British & Foreign Shipping: 516, Hortensia Sw, Captain J. Read, 254, Nwcstl, 1827, Smith & C, London, Lon. inserted underneath looks like two lines. Not sure what goes to what, but there is a W. Whale & J. Will__. 1840--Lloyd's: 572, Hortensia Sw YM.39, W. Whale, 245, Ncstle, 1827, Smith & C., London, Nwc W Inds. Thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Mick. I would never have thought of Ireland. Eunice -----Original Message----- From: Mick O Rourke Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones/James' 1858 "Queenstown" Cobh Co Cork Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones/James' 1858 > Hello Peter, > > Thank you very much for your quick response. The ship was listed firstly > as the "Ellen Jones", and again as the "Ellen James" on the Mariner's > website. I was not sure which one was correct. Thank you for correcting > that. > > The 5th of January being the last sighting, it would appear that she sunk > somewhere near Belize. Whereabouts is Queenstown? > > Thank you for the additional information, and that Samuel James would be > the > Captain. Both brothers held Captain's certificates. A third brother > who > also held a captain's certificate, died on board a ship named 'Margaret > Pugh' on 16 December 1864 at Karachi, East Indies. It does not say that > the > ship sunk. Is there any way that you could check whether that ship did > sink > or whether Henry Thomas James died of other causes on board. > > Details of the 'Margaret Pugh' C/44241/Margaret Pugh/1864. > Certificate > No. 10411 > Capacity = 1m54 OC59 > The Margaret Pugh 1862 > Died at Kurrachee on 16 December 1864. [Henry Thomas James, late of Vron > Oleu, Holyhead parish, AGY, > Master mariner, bachelor, died 16 Dec 1864 at Kurrachee. Admon 30 May 1865 > to Elizabeth James, widow and mother and only next of kin, (NPC)]. > > The three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) was the > largest > vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862. She was registered at Caernarfon > (No. 36 November 17, 1862) > > Many thanks for assisting me, I really appreciate it. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Klein > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 > > Hello Eunice, > > I was thrown initially by your heading of "Ellen Jones". On the > assumption > that it is the "Ellen James" of Caernarfon that you are after, she was > indeed Official Number 19997, and according to Lloyd's Register for > 1858/59 > was built in France in 1847, a brig of 131 tons, of which "S. James" was > evidently the captain. > > Her reported movements are few, and what name she was known under > previously > is not known. She reportedly sailed on or about September 17th 1857 from > Porthdinllaen, and left Liverpool for Belize on the 5th November. She was > then reported at Belize, and that she had sailed for "Queenstown" on the > 5th > January 1858. That is the last report of a sighting. > > The 1858/59 edition of Lloyd's Register is the only one in which she > appears. She was still being listed in the Mercantile Navy List for 1861, > but is gone by 1864. > > Regards, > > Peter Klein > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 0:50 > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 > > > Hello everyone, > > Can anyone help me with the following: > > I have two ancestors (brothers) who were both presumed drowned when the > ship > “Ellen Jones” supposedly sunk on 5 January 1858. They were sons of John > James, Customs Officer in Porthdinllaen. > a.. Samuel John James, born 1821, Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master > Mariner No. 41828 – Capacity M51 > b.. William James, born 1811 Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner > No. 73386 - Capacity M52 > Details from Mariners Web Site: PN:73338 C/19997/Ellen James/1857. Ship > lost about 5 January 1858, not heard of since sailing, and supposed lost > with all hands, presumed drowned. > > My questions are: > 1.. Where did the ship sink? > 2.. How many lives were lost? > 3.. What does ‘Capacity M52’ and ‘M51’ mean? > 4.. Is there a photo of the ‘Ellen James’ that survives? > 5.. Any other relevant details > Many thanks for whatever information is forthcoming. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > South Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINE[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Peter, Thank you very much for your quick response. The ship was listed firstly as the "Ellen Jones", and again as the "Ellen James" on the Mariner's website. I was not sure which one was correct. Thank you for correcting that. The 5th of January being the last sighting, it would appear that she sunk somewhere near Belize. Whereabouts is Queenstown? Thank you for the additional information, and that Samuel James would be the Captain. Both brothers held Captain's certificates. A third brother who also held a captain's certificate, died on board a ship named 'Margaret Pugh' on 16 December 1864 at Karachi, East Indies. It does not say that the ship sunk. Is there any way that you could check whether that ship did sink or whether Henry Thomas James died of other causes on board. Details of the 'Margaret Pugh' C/44241/Margaret Pugh/1864. Certificate No. 10411 Capacity = 1m54 OC59 The Margaret Pugh 1862 Died at Kurrachee on 16 December 1864. [Henry Thomas James, late of Vron Oleu, Holyhead parish, AGY, Master mariner, bachelor, died 16 Dec 1864 at Kurrachee. Admon 30 May 1865 to Elizabeth James, widow and mother and only next of kin, (NPC)]. The three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) was the largest vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862. She was registered at Caernarfon (No. 36 November 17, 1862) Many thanks for assisting me, I really appreciate it. Eunice Bold-Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Peter Klein Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 Hello Eunice, I was thrown initially by your heading of "Ellen Jones". On the assumption that it is the "Ellen James" of Caernarfon that you are after, she was indeed Official Number 19997, and according to Lloyd's Register for 1858/59 was built in France in 1847, a brig of 131 tons, of which "S. James" was evidently the captain. Her reported movements are few, and what name she was known under previously is not known. She reportedly sailed on or about September 17th 1857 from Porthdinllaen, and left Liverpool for Belize on the 5th November. She was then reported at Belize, and that she had sailed for "Queenstown" on the 5th January 1858. That is the last report of a sighting. The 1858/59 edition of Lloyd's Register is the only one in which she appears. She was still being listed in the Mercantile Navy List for 1861, but is gone by 1864. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 0:50 Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 Hello everyone, Can anyone help me with the following: I have two ancestors (brothers) who were both presumed drowned when the ship “Ellen Jones” supposedly sunk on 5 January 1858. They were sons of John James, Customs Officer in Porthdinllaen. a.. Samuel John James, born 1821, Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner No. 41828 – Capacity M51 b.. William James, born 1811 Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner No. 73386 - Capacity M52 Details from Mariners Web Site: PN:73338 C/19997/Ellen James/1857. Ship lost about 5 January 1858, not heard of since sailing, and supposed lost with all hands, presumed drowned. My questions are: 1.. Where did the ship sink? 2.. How many lives were lost? 3.. What does ‘Capacity M52’ and ‘M51’ mean? 4.. Is there a photo of the ‘Ellen James’ that survives? 5.. Any other relevant details Many thanks for whatever information is forthcoming. Eunice Bold-Edwards South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Eunice, Yes, I was wondering which "Queenstown" might have been intended, but Ireland was the best bet rather than New Zealand.  Thanks Mick! If Henry James actually died at Karachi (what they then often printed as "Kurrachee") then he may well have been buried there.  The Margaret Pugh had an eventful few months around this time.  She had weathered a hurricane in March 1864, out from San Francisco bound for Liverpool, shipping a heavy sea that stoved in skylights and filled her cabin with water, split her rudder, and did much other damage.  On the way home she "passed spars and pieces of timber daily" from other vessels.  She sailed for Karachi out from Liverpool on 21 June 1864, but had to put back almost immediately when her carpenter broke his arm.  She was encountered at sea on the 20th August 1864, bound for Karachi; and was finally only reported in the papers as at Karachi on the 6th January 1865.  A cable report received by Lloyd's in early May then reported that she had gone aground on the rocks at Tralee on May 1st loaded with coal, and that a portion of the cargo was being discharged.  She appears to have survived this, and was one of the first Liverpool vessels to resume trade with southern US ports after the ending of the Civil War, sailing to Mobile in September 1865. Whatever, Henry James appears therefore to have died at Karachi rather than at sea, and it might be worthwhile searching for a burial record locally. Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: Peter Klein <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 12:30 Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones/James' 1858 Hello Peter, Thank you very much for your quick response.  The ship was listed firstly as the "Ellen Jones",  and again as the "Ellen James" on the Mariner's website.  I was not sure which one was correct.  Thank you for correcting that. The 5th of January being the last sighting, it would appear that she sunk somewhere near Belize.  Whereabouts is Queenstown? Thank you for the additional information, and that Samuel James would be the Captain.  Both brothers held Captain's certificates.  A third brother who also held a captain's certificate, died on board a ship named 'Margaret Pugh' on 16 December 1864 at Karachi, East Indies.  It does not say that the ship sunk.  Is there any way that you could check whether that ship did sink or whether Henry Thomas James died of other causes on board. Details of the 'Margaret Pugh'    C/44241/Margaret Pugh/1864.  Certificate No. 10411 Capacity = 1m54 OC59 The Margaret Pugh 1862 Died at Kurrachee on 16 December 1864. [Henry Thomas James, late of Vron Oleu, Holyhead parish, AGY, Master mariner, bachelor, died 16 Dec 1864 at Kurrachee. Admon 30 May 1865 to Elizabeth James, widow and mother and only next of kin, (NPC)]. The three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) was the largest vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862. She was registered at Caernarfon (No. 36 November 17, 1862) Many thanks for assisting me, I really appreciate it. Eunice Bold-Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Peter Klein Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 Hello Eunice, I was thrown initially by your heading of "Ellen Jones".  On the assumption that it is the "Ellen James" of Caernarfon that you are after, she was indeed Official Number 19997, and according to Lloyd's Register for 1858/59 was built in France in 1847, a brig of 131 tons, of which "S. James" was evidently the captain. Her reported movements are few, and what name she was known under previously is not known.  She reportedly sailed on or about September 17th 1857 from Porthdinllaen, and left Liverpool for Belize on the 5th November.  She was then reported at Belize, and that she had sailed for "Queenstown" on the 5th January 1858.  That is the last report of a sighting. The 1858/59 edition of Lloyd's Register is the only one in which she appears. She was still being listed in the Mercantile Navy List for 1861, but is gone by 1864. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 0:50 Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 Hello everyone, Can anyone help me with the following: I have two ancestors (brothers) who were both presumed drowned when the ship “Ellen Jones” supposedly sunk on 5 January 1858. They were sons of John James, Customs Officer in Porthdinllaen. a.. Samuel John James, born 1821, Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner No. 41828 – Capacity M51 b.. William James, born 1811 Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey  – Master Mariner No. 73386 - Capacity M52 Details from Mariners Web Site: PN:73338  C/19997/Ellen James/1857. Ship lost about 5 January 1858, not heard of since sailing, and supposed lost with all hands, presumed drowned. My questions are: 1.. Where did the ship sink? 2.. How many lives were lost? 3.. What does ‘Capacity M52’ and ‘M51’  mean? 4.. Is there a photo of the ‘Ellen James’ that survives? 5.. Any other relevant details Many thanks for whatever information is forthcoming. Eunice Bold-Edwards South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barque Margaret Pugh, number 44241, was listed in the MNL up to 1882. He possibly died from a cause other then Shipwreck, local papers may have something . Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858

"Queenstown" Cobh Co Cork Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones/James' 1858 > Hello Peter, > > Thank you very much for your quick response. The ship was listed firstly > as the "Ellen Jones", and again as the "Ellen James" on the Mariner's > website. I was not sure which one was correct. Thank you for correcting > that. > > The 5th of January being the last sighting, it would appear that she sunk > somewhere near Belize. Whereabouts is Queenstown? > > Thank you for the additional information, and that Samuel James would be > the > Captain. Both brothers held Captain's certificates. A third brother > who > also held a captain's certificate, died on board a ship named 'Margaret > Pugh' on 16 December 1864 at Karachi, East Indies. It does not say that > the > ship sunk. Is there any way that you could check whether that ship did > sink > or whether Henry Thomas James died of other causes on board. > > Details of the 'Margaret Pugh' C/44241/Margaret Pugh/1864. > Certificate > No. 10411 > Capacity = 1m54 OC59 > The Margaret Pugh 1862 > Died at Kurrachee on 16 December 1864. [Henry Thomas James, late of Vron > Oleu, Holyhead parish, AGY, > Master mariner, bachelor, died 16 Dec 1864 at Kurrachee. Admon 30 May 1865 > to Elizabeth James, widow and mother and only next of kin, (NPC)]. > > The three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) was the > largest > vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862. She was registered at Caernarfon > (No. 36 November 17, 1862) > > Many thanks for assisting me, I really appreciate it. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Klein > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 > > Hello Eunice, > > I was thrown initially by your heading of "Ellen Jones". On the > assumption > that it is the "Ellen James" of Caernarfon that you are after, she was > indeed Official Number 19997, and according to Lloyd's Register for > 1858/59 > was built in France in 1847, a brig of 131 tons, of which "S. James" was > evidently the captain. > > Her reported movements are few, and what name she was known under > previously > is not known. She reportedly sailed on or about September 17th 1857 from > Porthdinllaen, and left Liverpool for Belize on the 5th November. She was > then reported at Belize, and that she had sailed for "Queenstown" on the > 5th > January 1858. That is the last report of a sighting. > > The 1858/59 edition of Lloyd's Register is the only one in which she > appears. She was still being listed in the Mercantile Navy List for 1861, > but is gone by 1864. > > Regards, > > Peter Klein > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 0:50 > Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 > > > Hello everyone, > > Can anyone help me with the following: > > I have two ancestors (brothers) who were both presumed drowned when the > ship > “Ellen Jones” supposedly sunk on 5 January 1858. They were sons of John > James, Customs Officer in Porthdinllaen. > a.. Samuel John James, born 1821, Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master > Mariner No. 41828 – Capacity M51 > b.. William James, born 1811 Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner > No. 73386 - Capacity M52 > Details from Mariners Web Site: PN:73338 C/19997/Ellen James/1857. Ship > lost about 5 January 1858, not heard of since sailing, and supposed lost > with all hands, presumed drowned. > > My questions are: > 1.. Where did the ship sink? > 2.. How many lives were lost? > 3.. What does ‘Capacity M52’ and ‘M51’ mean? > 4.. Is there a photo of the ‘Ellen James’ that survives? > 5.. Any other relevant details > Many thanks for whatever information is forthcoming. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > South Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please, I am interested in John Willie, Master Mariner of Calcutta, India, who died on the barque "Hope" in the Bay of Bengal, 14 Oct 1848, in a storm. Using Google I found several "Captain J. Willie" mentioned and wonder if they are this John Willie or another Captain? "Marquis Camden" - year 1828 - 4th officer John Willie (if him would have been 21 years) - East-India Company's ship barque "Virginie" - 1835, 1836, 1837 - John White, John Wittie, & J. Wellie (listed in 1835), John Willie teak ship "Lord Auckland" - 1836, 1837, 1838, 1839 - John Willie - ship owner Boustead, Schwabe & Co. (I see the "Lord Auckland" on Lloyd's register, in 1840, owner Brown, master McDonld, but don't see on the register in the years looking for) brig "Kitty" - 1840, 1841, 1842, 1843, 1844, 1845 - John Willie barque "Hope" - 1845, 1846, 1847, 1848 - John Willie, John Wyllie (Brig Hortensia - Singapore 11 Sep 1838 - Captain Willie - Syme & Co. - from London to Godowns) 1839-Lloyd's Register of British & Foreign Shipping: 516, Hortensia Sw, Captain J. Read, 254, Nwcstl, 1827, Smith & C, London, Lon. inserted underneath looks like two lines. Not sure what goes to what, but there is a W. Whale & J. Will__. 1840--Lloyd's: 572, Hortensia Sw YM.39, W. Whale, 245, Ncstle, 1827, Smith & C., London, Nwc W Inds. Thank you.

Hello Eunice, I was thrown initially by your heading of "Ellen Jones".  On the assumption that it is the "Ellen James" of Caernarfon that you are after, she was indeed Official Number 19997, and according to Lloyd's Register for 1858/59 was built in France in 1847, a brig of 131 tons, of which "S. James" was evidently the captain. Her reported movements are few, and what name she was known under previously is not known.  She reportedly sailed on or about September 17th 1857 from Porthdinllaen, and left Liverpool for Belize on the 5th November.  She was then reported at Belize, and that she had sailed for "Queenstown" on the 5th January 1858.  That is the last report of a sighting. The 1858/59 edition of Lloyd's Register is the only one in which she appears. She was still being listed in the Mercantile Navy List for 1861, but is gone by 1864. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 0:50 Subject: Re: [MAR] Sinking of 'Ellen Jones' 1858 Hello everyone, Can anyone help me with the following: I have two ancestors (brothers) who were both presumed drowned when the ship “Ellen Jones” supposedly sunk on 5 January 1858. They were sons of John James, Customs Officer in Porthdinllaen.   a.. Samuel John James, born 1821, Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner No. 41828 – Capacity M51   b.. William James, born 1811 Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey  – Master Mariner No. 73386 - Capacity M52 Details from Mariners Web Site: PN:73338  C/19997/Ellen James/1857. Ship lost about 5 January 1858, not heard of since sailing, and supposed lost with all hands, presumed drowned. My questions are:   1.. Where did the ship sink?   2.. How many lives were lost?   3.. What does ‘Capacity M52’ and ‘M51’  mean?   4.. Is there a photo of the ‘Ellen James’ that survives?   5.. Any other relevant details Many thanks for whatever information is forthcoming. Eunice Bold-Edwards South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, Can anyone help me with the following: I have two ancestors (brothers) who were both presumed drowned when the ship “Ellen Jones” supposedly sunk on 5 January 1858. They were sons of John James, Customs Officer in Porthdinllaen. a.. Samuel John James, born 1821, Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner No. 41828 – Capacity M51 b.. William James, born 1811 Four Mile Bridge, Anglesey – Master Mariner No. 73386 - Capacity M52 Details from Mariners Web Site: PN:73338 C/19997/Ellen James/1857. Ship lost about 5 January 1858, not heard of since sailing, and supposed lost with all hands, presumed drowned. My questions are: 1.. Where did the ship sink? 2.. How many lives were lost? 3.. What does ‘Capacity M52’ and ‘M51’ mean? 4.. Is there a photo of the ‘Ellen James’ that survives? 5.. Any other relevant details Many thanks for whatever information is forthcoming. Eunice Bold-Edwards South Australia

Hi all, I've just had a Eureka moment! After years of searching, I think I've finally found my 3 x gt. Grandfather, James PRIOR, and his merchant navy records, compiled in 1835. His name shows as: 938 Prior, James 24 Dover 7 So. Shields I think it means he was aged 24 in 1835, so born c. 1811 (there is a matching baptism in Dover in 1812), and he drowned aged 27 in the River Tyne in South Shields in August 1839. The ships show as: Dec. '35 75/60 Amphitrite June '36 75/60 Amphitrite Dec. '36 75/1009 Recovery Dec. '35 75/43 Amphitrite June '36 75/187 Curlew Dec. '36 75/187 Curlew June '36 75/875 Mercury 92.79 <?> Trade? 75.1052 <?> Robert <?> Dec. '38 75.1156 & Sons? 75.187 Curlew There are no further entries. Can anyone please help with what the numbers mean, and any details on the vessels shown in the time frame 1835 to 1838 would be great. Many thanks indeed for any help. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

Agree Mike. She was based down here at Weymouth back in the 1980s-90s, and was often crewed by locals, so I'm sure her loss will be felt locally. Even after her departure to Holland she continued to make occasional visits and the site of her familiar masts marking the port's skyline was always good to see. Vessels of her type must be getting a bit thin on the ground in these straightened times, there being few enough opportunities for those wanting to experience some real sailing that doesn't cost the Earth ? Paul On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:30:09 +0100, you wrote: >I have been following it on the news, >While its a relief that all onboard were taken off safely the loss of a >sail training vessel is a real disaster. >http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0724/464385-tall-ship-astrid/ > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:43 PM >Subject: [MAR] Loss of the sail training vessel Astrid > > >> >> The 30 crew and trainees from the 42 metre sail training vessel Astrid >> were rescued by the RNLI. The Astrid then broke up and sank in the >> heavy swell - see : >> >> http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/10569100.Weymouth_s_former_tall_ship_runs_aground_off_Irish_coastline/?ref=rss >> >> http://www.pbo.co.uk/news/534965/tall-ship-astrid-sinks-off-the-cork-coast >> >> Paul >> Isle of Portland >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html