Hi Curtis   It has been restored and is open to the public.   A recent review on the Visit London website at http://www.visitlondon.com/things-to-do/place/197352-cutty-sark:   "Having seen the mess the ship was in a couple of years ago after the fire we could not believe the end result of this restoration! The ship looks as if it could just sail away, from the outside at least! The way the story of Cutty Sark is presented is a credit to the designers of this attraction, I am very into naval/maritime history and I thought there was just the right mix of authenticity and general interest, nobody on board looked bored, even the kids. The guy who conducted the tour disguised as the captain from past voyages did an excellent job, he even had everybody joining in with a sea shanty sing along at the end of the tour, I normally hate audience participation type things but this just seemed so natural! A great way to spend a few hours and good value, if you include visiting Greenwich maritime museum and a trip on the river from Westminster it's a great full day out."   regards   Dawn ________________________________ From: Curtis Michener <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:30 Subject: Re: [MAR] Similarities Cutty Sark (1869 921 tons) and Borealis (1864 920 tons)? Can any one report on the Cutty Sark. I remember a fire at the historic site. Has it been repaired? Cool and rain at 40 16'30" 75 22'30: Curt Michener -----Original Message----- From: kik Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Similarities Cutty Sark (1869 921 tons) and Borealis (1864 920 tons)? I hope to visit the UK in September and am thinking of a visit to the Cutty Sark. I have previously posted about my great-grandfather's ship Borealis which was built at Rotherhithe in 1864 ON50063. It seems from their burthen numbers and construction that Borealis would have more than a little in common with Cutty Sark. Can anyone please give me an idea of similarities and differences to look out for? Also, my great-grandfather was ship's steward on Borealis so I would love to know if there would be any specific quarters or working areas to look out for on Cutty Sark which would give an idea of his time at sea. IanW Hong Kong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

More crew details from the Agreement & Account of Crew for Queen of the Bay for her third voyage, from London to Mauritius thence via Algoa Bay to London. Scan of the document is available via link at: <http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/QotB.php> http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/QotB.php Name (Age) / Birthplace / Name of last ship / Capacity Frederic Coombe Wale (37) / Plymouth / Queen of the Bay, Sunderland / Master Henry Coleman (57) Queenbro / Queen of the South, London / Mate Alexander Topping (27) Isle of Wight / Granite City, Aberdeen / 2nd mate Edward Wilson (31) Sweden / Billow Crest, Bridport / Carpenter & Seaman Jeromi Songa (24) West indies / Percy, Shields / Steward George Fearnley (40) Portsmouth / Queen of the Bay, Sunderland / Cook James Smith (32) Portsmouth / Reform, London / AB William Deere (25) London / Piccadilly, London / AB William Mas(s)on (27) / Findlow / Helen Richards, Shields / AB Isaac Pearson (30) Sweden / Diane, London / AB Michael McDonald (32) Dublin / Star of China, Aberdeen / AB James Shadgett (20) Adelaide / Pr???son, Bo??????? / Ordinary Seaman Joseph H Wale (14) Plymouth / Queen of the Bay, Sunderalnd /Boy George Ogilvy (42) Dundee / Olympia, Glasgow / AB John Norman (23) Wisbeach / Robt & James, Wisbeach / AB John Carbis (49) Cornwall / Prince ??????, ?????? / AB Thomas William Blomfield (18) / Queen of the Bay, Sunderland / Apprentice The document includes dates of joining and discharge, reports of character, etc. We will be grateful for any corrections to our transcripts and pleased to hear from anyone with links. The narrative surrounding the voyage was obtained from the Official Log Book. Best wishes Rosemary Rodliffe

Thanks for the great tip. It lead me to the book, "A Rundlett-Randlett genealogy." Captain Charles Augustus Ranlet's father Charles Ranlet & a John Rundlet were first cousins. According to this book, that John was a mariner, and during the War of 1812 was a lieutenant on the privateer "General Armstrong" and he fell from aloft on the steamer "Robert Fulton" on a passage from New York to Havana about 1825. This John's mother maiden name was McClure and his maternal grandmother's maiden name was McClintock, so perhaps his middle name is Mc...? The death matches the family story, but why would he be listed as Captain John Randlet when he married in 1807 and not lieutenant, etc. This books listed the John M. Randlet, Captain, of the Corps of the Sea Fencibles, as unidentified. It did not mention the John M. Randlett, master of the Pocahontas. Please, I would love any information to help sort this out. Celia On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ms Betty Fredericks <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello, > > Just wanted to offer an FYI to this week's poster that there was a Capt. > Charles RANLETT of New England. He spent most of his life at sea and > retired to Billerica, MA. There is a street in the town named after > him. He is mentioned in this on-line book: > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=jtYSJeIFBFAC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=%22Capt.+Ranlett,++Billerica%22&source=bl&ots=XswoibwiGn&sig=gME98aN4GAq5AI0GexgMndM_s4M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SwEEUtWCHqH84AP8tYC4AQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Capt.%20Ranlett%2C%20%20Billerica%22&f=false > > > This Capt. Ranlett is mentioned in other books, including the "history of > Billerica." > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > > (on Lists and Boards for 12 yrs.; now an Admin for 10 Lists and 5 Boards, > including CAN-USA-Migration and CORKILL) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can any one report on the Cutty Sark. I remember a fire at the historic site. Has it been repaired? Cool and rain at 40 16'30" 75 22'30: Curt Michener -----Original Message----- From: kik Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Similarities Cutty Sark (1869 921 tons) and Borealis (1864 920 tons)? I hope to visit the UK in September and am thinking of a visit to the Cutty Sark. I have previously posted about my great-grandfather's ship Borealis which was built at Rotherhithe in 1864 ON50063. It seems from their burthen numbers and construction that Borealis would have more than a little in common with Cutty Sark. Can anyone please give me an idea of similarities and differences to look out for? Also, my great-grandfather was ship's steward on Borealis so I would love to know if there would be any specific quarters or working areas to look out for on Cutty Sark which would give an idea of his time at sea. IanW Hong Kong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope to visit the UK in September and am thinking of a visit to the Cutty Sark. I have previously posted about my great-grandfather's ship Borealis which was built at Rotherhithe in 1864 ON50063. It seems from their burthen numbers and construction that Borealis would have more than a little in common with Cutty Sark. Can anyone please give me an idea of similarities and differences to look out for? Also, my great-grandfather was ship's steward on Borealis so I would love to know if there would be any specific quarters or working areas to look out for on Cutty Sark which would give an idea of his time at sea. IanW Hong Kong

Hello,   Just wanted to offer an FYI to this week's poster that there was a Capt. Charles RANLETT of New England.    He spent most of his life at sea and retired to Billerica, MA.   There is a street in the town named after him.    He is mentioned in this on-line book:   http://books.google.com/books?id=jtYSJeIFBFAC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=%22Capt.+Ranlett,++Billerica%22&source=bl&ots=XswoibwiGn&sig=gME98aN4GAq5AI0GexgMndM_s4M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SwEEUtWCHqH84AP8tYC4AQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Capt.%20Ranlett%2C%20%20Billerica%22&f=false     This Capt. Ranlett is mentioned in other books, including the "history of Billerica."   Betty                (near Lowell, MA, USA)   (on Lists and Boards for 12 yrs.;   now an Admin for 10 Lists and 5 Boards, including  CAN-USA-Migration  and  CORKILL)

We received the following to the Mariners List a few days ago. I can not help with this one so I am hoping a list member can take it up. replies to the from address below. Thank you Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Hung" <[email protected]> I have been asked by a teacher at Woolmore Primary School for information on Sir John Woolmore. I have obtained a portrait from the National Portrait Gallery but, other than that, I cannot find any printed works at a level suitable for primary school children. Are you aware of any publications on Sir John Woolmore and the East India Trading Company which could be used in a Year 6 classroom, where the children are aged 10-11? Margaret Hung Acquisitions Librarian Tower Hamlets Schools Library Service

*Captain John M. Randlet/Randlett* (?McRandlet?) married in 1807, in Jamaica, Queens, New York, to Aletta Pettit, it was recorded he was of New York. The family story is he *fell on board ship "Robert Fulton" from round top and broke his neck, 12 Jan 1822*. Aletta Pettit's brother *Samuel Pettit *& brother-in-law *William Pertine*(?spelling), were said to have *died at sea, Sept 1810*. I can't find mention of either of these deaths or anything on Samuel Pettit or William Pertine. I found two possible Captain John M. Randlet/Randlett. I am not sure if they are the same person or two different people. Possible Captain John M. Randlet - in New York New York Evening Post, Sat. 6 Feb 1808 - "Brig Ann, capt. Caldwell, and brig Maria, capt. Randlet, both from New York, arrived safe at this port last evening." USA War of 1812 - Captain John M. Randlet, Corps of Sea Fencibles (Battalion of Sea Fencibles, New York State), commanded by Major Charles W. Wooster. Remarks: J. R. dated Mill Rocks, Hell Gate, Dec. 1, 1814. List of Letters, remaining at the Post Office in the City of New York, 1 May 1816, 1 June 1820, Captain John M. Randlett Possible Captain John M. Randlett - Boston, Massachusetts Captain John M. Randlett - 1812 - sailed the schooner Pocahontas, from Boston, it was run away with by ten convicts, but later Captain Randlett regained control. Thank you, Celia

Hello Michael, Further to my last, I have a couple of things to add: The collier Fraternity, under Edward Simmons, was reported at the Port of London from Newcastle on the 1 April 1772, and again on the 24 July. In Lloyd's Register for 1779/80, it mentions that the Providence and Mary was destined for a trip between London and Norway in that year.  Her last listing was in 1781. As most colliers, she was a brig. Finally, have you tried the Hathi Trust's Digital Library to work through the Lloyd's Registers between 1764 and 1780+?  What survives can be found on http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000057051.  The Lloyd's Lists (1744-1826) are at http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000549597. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: MICHAEL MITCHESON <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013, 20:28 Subject: [MAR] Ships on the Tyne 1770-1783 I'm looking for three ships, "Athol", "Cygnet" both with Edward Simmons as Master.  The "Fraternity" renamed "Providence and Mary" with master and owner(1780-1783).  Any information or links would be a great help.   Michael ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Michael, It is rather difficult to judge from the wording of your enquiry how much you already know.  The apparently ?earlier ships I have so far drawn a blank on, but the Providence and Mary was under Edward SImmons/Symmons/Simmonds certainly from September 1773.  She was a collier, operating out of Newcastle, and according to Lloyd's Register for 1779/80 was of 200 tons register, American-built in 1764, and Simmons was then listed as the master/owner. The 18th century newspapers report a sequence of movements over several years.  The collier Providence and Mary, under Edward Simmons, from Newcastle, was reported at the Port of London on 8 Sept. 1773, but on the 21 Sept. the ship was under another master, George Taylor.  She was next reported at London under Simmons on the 13 June 1774, out from "Borowstoness".  Further reports at London are dated 12 Oct. 1774 (Symmons); 5 Dec. (Taylor); and 29 Dec. (Simmons).  She passed by Gravesend out from Dunkirk on the 7 May 1775 (Symmons), and was at London from Newcastle again on 26 June (Simmons).  On the 7 July she was at London under another master, James Forster; 25 Oct. (Simmons); 23 Nov. (Taylor); 19 Dec. (Taylor) and 30 Dec. (Simmons).  She was again at London under Simmons on 2 June 1776, 28 June, and on the 14 Oct.   In April 1777 a Providence and Mary, under a Captain Glynn, from Cork to New York, was reported as "taken by the Provincials", but Simmons' ship was back in London on the 12 November.  Martin Jilson was her master on 18 Dec., and again on 28 January 1778, but "Simmon" was in command again on the 6 March. She arrived at London from "Trepton" under "Summons" on 13 July 1778, but this is the last mention of the vessel that I can find. At least this is a start, and I hope will be useful. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: MICHAEL MITCHESON <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013, 20:28 Subject: [MAR] Ships on the Tyne 1770-1783 I'm looking for three ships, "Athol", "Cygnet" both with Edward Simmons as Master.  The "Fraternity" renamed "Providence and Mary" with master and owner(1780-1783).  Any information or links would be a great help.   Michael ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Piers, I will try that. Many thanks, Eunice South Australia -----Original Message----- From: Piers Smith-Cresswell Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 9:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] The "Margaret Pugh" It looks as if there was at least one painting of her which sold at auction in 1999 - but unfortunately there isn't an image on the web. You could try the auctioneers but you might have to buy some credits to find who they were. *http://tinyurl.com/qdkkctg* ** Cheers Piers On 5 August 2013 10:04, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Peter, > > Thank you for the information. I also think that it was early days for > photography and maybe no photographs were taken when she was first built. > I have tried the Rhiw site without success. > > Thank you for trying. I even tried under the new name of Oceanie, but did > not succeed there either. Maybe one day somebody will come up with > something. > > Regards > > Eunice > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Klein > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] The "Margaret Pugh" > > Hello again Eunice, > > Contemporary pictures of the Margaret Pugh are likely to be difficult to > find. I have tried various websites, such as > http://www.photoship.co.uk/Browse%20Ship%20Galleries/, which is always > worth > trying, but with no result. Dr. A.S.Davidson's book "Marine Art & > Liverpool" (Waine, 1986) has nothing, nor Roger Finch's "The Pierhead > Painters" (Hutchinson, 1983), nor Art and the Seafarer (Faber, 1968). > > You could try a direct enquiry to the National Waterfront Museum at > Swansea: > http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/swansea/, and they might have something in > their collection of photographs or paintings. A better chance might have > been to find a picture locally to Pwllheli, although had there been > something it's almost certain that the Pwllheli Shipbuilding website at > > http://www.rhiw.com/y_mor/hanes_llongau_llyn/pwllheli/pwllheli_shipbuilding..htm > would have illustrated it. Have you tried contacting them > ([email protected])? > > Someone out there may have something, either a photograph or pierhead > painting, but establishing contact will be difficult and you may have to > be > very patient. Sadly this applies to all early shipping images, and the > widely scattered owners/collectors jealously guard copyright, but it would > be wonderful if there was some central registry of shipping pictures. But > that's a pipe dream! > > Best regards, > > PK > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 2:29 > Subject: Re: [MAR] The "Margaret Pugh" > > > Hello everyone, > > Can anybody advise me where I could find a picture of the three masted > barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) which was the largest vessel > ever > built at Pwllheli, in 1862. > > The ‘Margaret Pugh’ was registered at Caernarfon (No. 36 November 17, > 1862). > Her maiden voyage from Liverpool to San Francisco and back to Liverpool, > began on January 23, 1863 and ended on April 18, 1864. > > The engagement was from Liverpool to San Francisco, thence (if required) > to > any ports and places in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans and China > and Eastern Seas, thence to a port for Orders and to the Continent of > Europe > if required, and back to a port of final discharge in the United Kingdom, > the term not to exceed three years'. > > The “Margaret Pugh” was one of the first Liverpool vessels to resume trade > with southern US ports after the ending of the Civil War, sailing to > Mobile > in September 1865. > > She was sold to French owners (Bourdeaux) in June 1878, and renamed > Oceanie, > she was destroyed by fire in 1892. > > With many thanks for any assistance that may be forthcoming. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > South Australia > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm looking for three ships, "Athol", "Cygnet" both with Edward Simmons as Master.  The "Fraternity" renamed "Providence and Mary" with master and owner(1780-1783).  Any information or links would be a great help.   Michael

Probably the number of guns carried. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Lane Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013 6:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Civil War U S Naval Operations During the U. S. Civil War printed in Northern newspapers under the headline "Naval Record" one often finds the names of commissioned vessels followed by a single number (at least no double digit examples have been noted). The following are random examples mostly from March 1862: ship Ino, 8 (later 9) steamer Rhode Island, 5 steamer Madgie, 2 steam sloop Tuscarora, 7 steamer Quaker City, 5 steam sloop Iroquois, 6 steam sloop Kearsage, 7 I presume these numbers refer to naval squadrons or operating theaters. Can anyone supply more specific knowledge of their meaning? Thanks in advance. Bruce Lane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Peter, Thank you for the information. I also think that it was early days for photography and maybe no photographs were taken when she was first built. I have tried the Rhiw site without success. Thank you for trying. I even tried under the new name of Oceanie, but did not succeed there either. Maybe one day somebody will come up with something. Regards Eunice -----Original Message----- From: Peter Klein Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] The "Margaret Pugh" Hello again Eunice, Contemporary pictures of the Margaret Pugh are likely to be difficult to find. I have tried various websites, such as http://www.photoship.co.uk/Browse%20Ship%20Galleries/, which is always worth trying, but with no result. Dr. A.S.Davidson's book "Marine Art & Liverpool" (Waine, 1986) has nothing, nor Roger Finch's "The Pierhead Painters" (Hutchinson, 1983), nor Art and the Seafarer (Faber, 1968). You could try a direct enquiry to the National Waterfront Museum at Swansea: http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/swansea/, and they might have something in their collection of photographs or paintings. A better chance might have been to find a picture locally to Pwllheli, although had there been something it's almost certain that the Pwllheli Shipbuilding website at http://www.rhiw.com/y_mor/hanes_llongau_llyn/pwllheli/pwllheli_shipbuilding..htm would have illustrated it. Have you tried contacting them ([email protected])? Someone out there may have something, either a photograph or pierhead painting, but establishing contact will be difficult and you may have to be very patient. Sadly this applies to all early shipping images, and the widely scattered owners/collectors jealously guard copyright, but it would be wonderful if there was some central registry of shipping pictures. But that's a pipe dream! Best regards, PK ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 2:29 Subject: Re: [MAR] The "Margaret Pugh" Hello everyone, Can anybody advise me where I could find a picture of the three masted barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) which was the largest vessel ever built at Pwllheli, in 1862. The ‘Margaret Pugh’ was registered at Caernarfon (No. 36 November 17, 1862). Her maiden voyage from Liverpool to San Francisco and back to Liverpool, began on January 23, 1863 and ended on April 18, 1864. The engagement was from Liverpool to San Francisco, thence (if required) to any ports and places in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans and China and Eastern Seas, thence to a port for Orders and to the Continent of Europe if required, and back to a port of final discharge in the United Kingdom, the term not to exceed three years'. The “Margaret Pugh” was one of the first Liverpool vessels to resume trade with southern US ports after the ending of the Civil War, sailing to Mobile in September 1865. She was sold to French owners (Bourdeaux) in June 1878, and renamed Oceanie, she was destroyed by fire in 1892. With many thanks for any assistance that may be forthcoming. Eunice Bold-Edwards South Australia [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm afraid not. My Thomas Willcox was born 1815 in England. Best wishes in your hunting for your Willcox line. Regards Simon Simon Martin Station Retailer Merseyrail Email [email protected] Web www.merseyrail.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of RONALD BARTLETT Sent: 05 August 2013 00:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Ships my GGG-Grandfather sailed/worked on Howdy, I have 6 Thomas Wilcox's. Born 1672, 1701, 1713, 1720, 1740, and 1741. They w2ere all from thr RI, MA USA area. Do any of them fit? Ron Bartlett ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Martin<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:27 PM Subject: [MAR] Ships my GGG-Grandfather sailed/worked on Hi everyone. I trust that you are well. In June 2013, I finally got some info on my GGG-Grandfather, Thomas Willcox & the ships he sailed on. His rank varied from apprentice to 1st Mate, in a 28 year career. Is there a website I could go to, to find out more about the ships (i.e. cargo)? I have the names, tonnage of the ship’s and were they were from & were they went to (for some). Any help gratefully appreciated. Simon Simon Martin Station Retailer Merseyrail Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> Web www.merseyrail.org<http://www.merseyrail.org<http://www.merseyrail.org%3chttp//www.merseyrail.org>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It looks as if there was at least one painting of her which sold at auction in 1999 - but unfortunately there isn't an image on the web. You could try the auctioneers but you might have to buy some credits to find who they were. *http://tinyurl.com/qdkkctg* ** Cheers Piers On 5 August 2013 10:04, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Peter, > > Thank you for the information. I also think that it was early days for > photography and maybe no photographs were taken when she was first built. > I have tried the Rhiw site without success. > > Thank you for trying. I even tried under the new name of Oceanie, but did > not succeed there either. Maybe one day somebody will come up with > something. > > Regards > > Eunice > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Klein > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] The "Margaret Pugh" > > Hello again Eunice, > > Contemporary pictures of the Margaret Pugh are likely to be difficult to > find. I have tried various websites, such as > http://www.photoship.co.uk/Browse%20Ship%20Galleries/, which is always > worth > trying, but with no result. Dr. A.S.Davidson's book "Marine Art & > Liverpool" (Waine, 1986) has nothing, nor Roger Finch's "The Pierhead > Painters" (Hutchinson, 1983), nor Art and the Seafarer (Faber, 1968). > > You could try a direct enquiry to the National Waterfront Museum at > Swansea: > http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/swansea/, and they might have something in > their collection of photographs or paintings. A better chance might have > been to find a picture locally to Pwllheli, although had there been > something it's almost certain that the Pwllheli Shipbuilding website at > > http://www.rhiw.com/y_mor/hanes_llongau_llyn/pwllheli/pwllheli_shipbuilding..htm > would have illustrated it. Have you tried contacting them > ([email protected])? > > Someone out there may have something, either a photograph or pierhead > painting, but establishing contact will be difficult and you may have to be > very patient. Sadly this applies to all early shipping images, and the > widely scattered owners/collectors jealously guard copyright, but it would > be wonderful if there was some central registry of shipping pictures. But > that's a pipe dream! > > Best regards, > > PK > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 2:29 > Subject: Re: [MAR] The "Margaret Pugh" > > > Hello everyone, > > Can anybody advise me where I could find a picture of the three masted > barque "Margaret Pugh" (692 tons register) which was the largest vessel > ever > built at Pwllheli, in 1862. > > The ‘Margaret Pugh’ was registered at Caernarfon (No. 36 November 17, > 1862). > Her maiden voyage from Liverpool to San Francisco and back to Liverpool, > began on January 23, 1863 and ended on April 18, 1864. > > The engagement was from Liverpool to San Francisco, thence (if required) to > any ports and places in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans and China > and Eastern Seas, thence to a port for Orders and to the Continent of > Europe > if required, and back to a port of final discharge in the United Kingdom, > the term not to exceed three years'. > > The “Margaret Pugh” was one of the first Liverpool vessels to resume trade > with southern US ports after the ending of the Civil War, sailing to Mobile > in September 1865. > > She was sold to French owners (Bourdeaux) in June 1878, and renamed > Oceanie, > she was destroyed by fire in 1892. > > With many thanks for any assistance that may be forthcoming. > > Eunice Bold-Edwards > South Australia > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Simon I suspect that the dates covered by Thomas's 28 year career, and the vessels on which he sailed during that period might help list members advise you e.g. newspapers and gazettes are often a useful source for shipping news and information, but they often only cover limited periods and geographical regions.....assume from your e-mail address that you are based in the Mersey area ie where you live often gives us an idea regarding the sources that might be available to you. The Times newspaper is often available to UK and US subscribers through their local library and can often be accessed from home, and during the 19th Century carried quite detailed daily reports on merchant shipping arriving and departing UK ports. And for a relatively small fee, in IMHO, you can subscribe for various periods to the British Newspaper Archive at <http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/?ukwid=948554&sourceID=118&utm_source=Google+British+Newspaper+Archive_CPC&utm_medium=SEM_CPC&utm_campaign=archive&bsop_brand=BNA&ns_mchannel=SEM_CPC&ns_source=Google+UK&ns_linkname=the+times+archive&utm_term=the+times+archive&ns_fee=0.25&gclid=CKHG7-fNwbMCFUmN3godb1QAPw> which provides access to many UK newspapers. I'm sure other subscribers can be a lot more helpful with the additional info. Regards Paul On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:27:43 +0100, Simon Martin <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi everyone. > >I trust that you are well. > >In June 2013, I finally got some info on my GGG-Grandfather, Thomas Willcox & the ships he sailed on. His rank varied from apprentice to 1st Mate, in a 28 year career. Is there a website I could go to, to find out more about the ships (i.e. cargo)? I have the names, tonnage of the ship’s and were they were from & were they went to (for some). > >Any help gratefully appreciated. > >Simon > >Simon Martin > >Station Retailer > >Merseyrail > > > > >Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >Web www.merseyrail.org<http://www.merseyrail.org> > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

During the U. S. Civil War printed in Northern newspapers under the headline "Naval Record" one often finds the names of commissioned vessels followed by a single number (at least no double digit examples have been noted). The following are random examples mostly from March 1862: ship Ino, 8 (later 9) steamer Rhode Island, 5 steamer Madgie, 2 steam sloop Tuscarora, 7 steamer Quaker City, 5 steam sloop Iroquois, 6 steam sloop Kearsage, 7 I presume these numbers refer to naval squadrons or operating theaters. Can anyone supply more specific knowledge of their meaning? Thanks in advance. Bruce Lane

Hi everyone. I trust that you are well. In June 2013, I finally got some info on my GGG-Grandfather, Thomas Willcox & the ships he sailed on. His rank varied from apprentice to 1st Mate, in a 28 year career. Is there a website I could go to, to find out more about the ships (i.e. cargo)? I have the names, tonnage of the ship’s and were they were from & were they went to (for some). Any help gratefully appreciated. Simon Simon Martin Station Retailer Merseyrail Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Web www.merseyrail.org<http://www.merseyrail.org>

Having traced great grandfather Thomas Wm Blomfield as an Apprentice aboard Queen of the Bay we offer our best effort at transcribing some of the details from the Agreement & Account of Crew for his voyage from London to Algoa Bay. Scans of the two-page document are available via links at: http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/QotB.php Name Age Birthplace Name of last ship F.C. Wale 36 Plymouth Queen of the Bay W.P. Smith? 32 Plymouth Naval Brigade, Plymouth Thomas Brooks 32 Harwich James Nelson, Liverpool William Martin 30 London James Nelson, Liverpool G Sibthorp 21 Essex London Lion George Fearnley 40 Portsmouth Grace Peil, Liverpool Henry Brett 26 Plumstead James Wilson, Liverpool John Anjou 27 Sweden Caeru(?) Gael(?), Belfast George Lusty 19 ????? Elpis, Shields William Taylor 24 Harrington Elpis, Shields Edward Hill 27 Gainsboro Veesdale, Whitehaven Alfred Klein 33 Sweden American Joseph Wale 13 Devon First voyage Henry Dalley 25 Starcross Simon West(?) C. Smith (Chas. Scott?) 22 York Denmark, London Edward Melvin 31 America Tamtors(?), Greenock Thomas W. Bloomfield 17 The documents include dates of joining and discharge, wages, etc. We will be grateful for any corrections to our transcripts and pleased to hear from anyone with links. Best wishes Rosemary Rodliffe