Many thanks to Paul for drawing our attention to the obituary in today's Daily Telegraph of Kenneth Dancy mate of the salvage tug Turmoil. I was 7 years old at the time and well recall the story of the attempted salvage. I was a sensitive lad and both fascinated and appalled by the plight of the Flying Enterprise. What most frightened me were the photo's of Dancy and Carlsen walking down the funnel when she was on her beam ends. This was one of the factors which led to a lifetime interest in shipwreck and life-saving at sea. At that time I was unaware that earlier generations of my father's family had been in The Mumbles Lifeboat crew and that two had lost their lives on service. Years later I was in the crew myself and enjoyed 20 years of great camaraderie. Fortunately we did not experience anything as bad as the loss of the Flying Enterprise. Those of you who may be interested in shipwreck and rescue on the coast of Wales may wish to take a look at my website: www.shipwrecks-wales.co.uk Many thanks to all for a wonderful List and the knowledgeable members. Carl Smith

Name:Auguste BriandArrival Date:15 Sep 1904Age:34Birthdate:abt 1870Gender: MaleRace/Nationality:FrenchShip Name:DupleixPort of Departure:Newcastle On Tyne, EnglandPort of Arrival:Portland, OregonLast Residence: St Moro Name:Auguste BriandGender:MaleDate of Arrival:13 Jan 1896Vessel:Pro PatriaPort of Arrival:Halifax, Nova ScotiaPort of Departure:St Pierre, Saint Pierre and MiquelonRoll:C-4517 On 12 August 2013 15:10, alain delbarre <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > On the Ellis Island site (http://www.ellisisland.org/) are the manifests > of the Massilia, Neustria and Patria (1882) for the considered periods > (search by ship not by passengers). > The master of Neustria and Patria (may be also Massilia) was Constantin > Briand (Hippolyto Briand on Massilia ?) not Auguste Briand. > The 1888 manifest of La Bourgogne is not reported in the database. > > Best regards > Alain > > Le 12/08/13 15:14, Ted Finch a écrit : > > Can anyone help Verity please? > > > > regards > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Verity Jones <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I have been advised by an enthusiast, Don Hazeldine, to contact you > > regarding my search for my Great Gt Grandfather _*Captain Auguste > > Briand*_. All we know from my Gt grandmothers marriage cert is that her > > father was a Captain Auguste Briand in the Merchant Navy. My grandmother > > was French, from Normandy, so I am presuming he was in the French > > Merchant Navy. > > We wish to find his place of birth and information regarding his voyages > > etc and hoped to do it through some Merchant Naval records? He would > > have been born in/around the early/mid 1800’s. > > We have traced/,/ online, /a/ Captain Briand to the ships MASSILIA, > > NEUSTRIA AND PATRIA (ALL FABRE LINE). He was captain of these ships > > during the late 1890’s. Articles in the New York Times have given us > > these specifics- > > Capt., Briand- PATRIA- 1898 > > Capt., Briand- NEUSTRIA-1891,1892,1896,1897 > > Capt., Briand- MASSILIA-1897 > > Our first problem lies in that we need to first confirm that this > > Captain Briand, above, is indeed an AUGUSTE Briand. > > Secondly, we have another Auguste Briand coming up on an /Ancestry/ > > website search, linked to the ship La Bourgogne. It is unclear whether > > he was the Captain as it just lists his name alongside the ship info and > > image. > > > > Name: > > > > > > > > *Auguste Briand* > > > > Arrival Date: > > > > > > > > 15 Oct 1888 > > > > Age: > > > > > > > > 49 > > > > Gender: > > > > > > > > Male > > > > Port of Departure: > > > > > > > > Le Havre, France > > > > Ship route: > > > > > > > > Havre-NY > > > > Port of Arrival: > > > > > > > > New York, United States > > > > Ship Name: > > > > > > > > La Bourgogne > > > > Ship built: > > > > > > > > 1886 > > > > Shipping Line: > > > > > > > > French Line > > > > I can see from your website you have a huge knowledge base regarding > > ships and crew of this era. > > If so perhaps you can help? Where might I find archives on crew etc? Do > > we have to travel to London or is there anything online I have missed? > > We have been searching for so long now we would be so grateful of any > > glimmer of information you have! > > Kind regards, > > Verity Ellen Jones > > Wales > > UK > > ** > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, On the Ellis Island site (http://www.ellisisland.org/) are the manifests of the Massilia, Neustria and Patria (1882) for the considered periods (search by ship not by passengers). The master of Neustria and Patria (may be also Massilia) was Constantin Briand (Hippolyto Briand on Massilia ?) not Auguste Briand. The 1888 manifest of La Bourgogne is not reported in the database. Best regards Alain Le 12/08/13 15:14, Ted Finch a écrit : > Can anyone help Verity please? > > regards > Ted > > > > > > From: Verity Jones <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Hi, > I have been advised by an enthusiast, Don Hazeldine, to contact you > regarding my search for my Great Gt Grandfather _*Captain Auguste > Briand*_. All we know from my Gt grandmothers marriage cert is that her > father was a Captain Auguste Briand in the Merchant Navy. My grandmother > was French, from Normandy, so I am presuming he was in the French > Merchant Navy. > We wish to find his place of birth and information regarding his voyages > etc and hoped to do it through some Merchant Naval records? He would > have been born in/around the early/mid 1800’s. > We have traced/,/ online, /a/ Captain Briand to the ships MASSILIA, > NEUSTRIA AND PATRIA (ALL FABRE LINE). He was captain of these ships > during the late 1890’s. Articles in the New York Times have given us > these specifics- > Capt., Briand- PATRIA- 1898 > Capt., Briand- NEUSTRIA-1891,1892,1896,1897 > Capt., Briand- MASSILIA-1897 > Our first problem lies in that we need to first confirm that this > Captain Briand, above, is indeed an AUGUSTE Briand. > Secondly, we have another Auguste Briand coming up on an /Ancestry/ > website search, linked to the ship La Bourgogne. It is unclear whether > he was the Captain as it just lists his name alongside the ship info and > image. > > Name: > > > > *Auguste Briand* > > Arrival Date: > > > > 15 Oct 1888 > > Age: > > > > 49 > > Gender: > > > > Male > > Port of Departure: > > > > Le Havre, France > > Ship route: > > > > Havre-NY > > Port of Arrival: > > > > New York, United States > > Ship Name: > > > > La Bourgogne > > Ship built: > > > > 1886 > > Shipping Line: > > > > French Line > > I can see from your website you have a huge knowledge base regarding > ships and crew of this era. > If so perhaps you can help? Where might I find archives on crew etc? Do > we have to travel to London or is there anything online I have missed? > We have been searching for so long now we would be so grateful of any > glimmer of information you have! > Kind regards, > Verity Ellen Jones > Wales > UK > ** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help Verity please? regards Ted From: Verity Jones <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Hi, I have been advised by an enthusiast, Don Hazeldine, to contact you regarding my search for my Great Gt Grandfather _*Captain Auguste Briand*_. All we know from my Gt grandmothers marriage cert is that her father was a Captain Auguste Briand in the Merchant Navy. My grandmother was French, from Normandy, so I am presuming he was in the French Merchant Navy. We wish to find his place of birth and information regarding his voyages etc and hoped to do it through some Merchant Naval records? He would have been born in/around the early/mid 1800’s. We have traced/,/ online, /a/ Captain Briand to the ships MASSILIA, NEUSTRIA AND PATRIA (ALL FABRE LINE). He was captain of these ships during the late 1890’s. Articles in the New York Times have given us these specifics- Capt., Briand- PATRIA- 1898 Capt., Briand- NEUSTRIA-1891,1892,1896,1897 Capt., Briand- MASSILIA-1897 Our first problem lies in that we need to first confirm that this Captain Briand, above, is indeed an AUGUSTE Briand. Secondly, we have another Auguste Briand coming up on an /Ancestry/ website search, linked to the ship La Bourgogne. It is unclear whether he was the Captain as it just lists his name alongside the ship info and image. Name: *Auguste Briand* Arrival Date: 15 Oct 1888 Age: 49 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Le Havre, France Ship route: Havre-NY Port of Arrival: New York, United States Ship Name: La Bourgogne Ship built: 1886 Shipping Line: French Line I can see from your website you have a huge knowledge base regarding ships and crew of this era. If so perhaps you can help? Where might I find archives on crew etc? Do we have to travel to London or is there anything online I have missed? We have been searching for so long now we would be so grateful of any glimmer of information you have! Kind regards, Verity Ellen Jones Wales UK **

Dear Mariners, I am researching my family history and in particular the life of my great great grandfather, John Mallin, who sailed from Dublin bound for Australia on a ship named Industry sometime around 1857- 8. I am wondering if anyone would have any history for the ship or its crew. I believe he was a member of the ship’s crew, most likely ships carpenter, as he was a shipwright by trade and his family owned a small yard in Dublin I understand from family stories that on the voyage the Industry got into difficulties somewhere off the coast of Australia and as far as we know the ship arrived in the Port of Melbourne. I am not sure what happened to the ship after it arrived in Australia but in any event John Mallin never returned home to Ireland. According to family stories he went gold prospecting in the Bendigo region of Victoria. We believe that he died in a mining accident there. Any information on the history of the Industry, and its crew would be a great help to me in my research. Many thanks and best regards, Seán Tapley

Hi Ruth This link from Paperspast ( The Evening Post) shows the Ruahine leaving Wellington and travelling to Auckland on 12 September 1925. Not sure how long she would have been in port before sailing again. Regards Leonie http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19250914.2.62.2&srpos=2&e=02-08-1925-31-12-1925--10-EP-1----0Ruahine-- On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Ruth Appleby <[email protected]>wrote: > How long would the journey be in 1925 for RUAHINE to travel from Liverpool > to Auckland? I know she sailed on 31 July 1925 but wondered on what date > she arrived. > > Any information appreciated. > Many thanks > Ruth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To quote from an RSS feed I received this morning from Wessex Archaeology English Heritage have recently embarked on a project to look at 88 vessels known to have sunk within territorial waters from the Tudor Period until the advent of iron-hulled ships. Wessex Archaeology is pleased to have supported English Heritage in this project through the identification of possible wreck sites through the Early Ships and Boats Project: http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/projects/early-ships-boats and are currently undertaking work to investigate the first of these wrecks on behalf of English Heritage as part of the contract for the provision of services in relation to marine designation for 2013-15. This will be an exciting and invaluable programme of investigation as these wrecks are identified, recorded and revealed as a fundamental component of England’s maritime past. To read the full report on Early Ships and Boats see : http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/reports/84130/early-ships-and-boats Paul For the record the Trust for Wessex Archaeology is a not-for-profit charitable company, so I hope that it excuses me from, perhaps, stretching Rootsweb's guidelines ?

Many thanks Leonie. It has led me to other interesting reports of the voyage, and in particular the effects of a strike in Wellington. Regards Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leonie Clunie > Sent: 12 August 2013 01:47 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship RUAHINE to New Zealand > > Hi Ruth > This link from Paperspast ( The Evening Post) shows the > Ruahine leaving Wellington and travelling to Auckland on 12 > September 1925. Not sure how long she would have been in port > before sailing again. > Regards > Leonie > > > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=sea rch&d=EP19250914.2.62.2&srpos=2&e=02-08-1925-31-12-1925--10-> EP-1----0Ruahine-- > > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Ruth Appleby > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > How long would the journey be in 1925 for RUAHINE to travel from > > Liverpool to Auckland? I know she sailed on 31 July 1925 > but wondered > > on what date she arrived. > > > > Any information appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Ruth > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not very much there. The ss UPADA is mentioned as anchored in Carloforte Roadstead with the salvage vessel DALKEITH alongside when the latter was ordered to go to the assistance of the torpedoed and stranded KINGSTONIAN. In a subsequent second torpedoing of the latter ship by UB-68 it is remarked that UPADA was not targeted because she was at a greater distance. -----Original Message----- From: C. V. Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013 1:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Need a lookup into the book "Admilralty Salvage" Hi everybody, I need a lookup into the book named "Admiralty Savage : in peace & war 1906-2006" (Pen & Sword Maritime, 2007). In p.51-52, it's about a ship named Upada and I would like to know what they said about her in this book and what source (archive) have been used to for this description. Thank you in advance. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Harold What with all the fuss about the Nautilus, and the stories relating to her fuel rods and the loss of the Flying Enterprise, I thought it a strange coincidence that the obit for Vice-Admiral Eugene Wilkinson, then, prospective captain of the Nautilus, appeared in the same edition of the Telegraph ! <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/naval-obituaries/10236114/Vice-Admiral-Eugene-Wilkinson.html> Paul On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:09:49 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] wrote: >Thanks for passing this along, Paul. First I've heard of it. I was only a >year and a half old when it happened so was not glued to the radio then but >find it very interesting today. There are some videos about the sinking of >the Flying Enterprise on YouTube (see the posting by PositivFritid, which >also includes footage of Dancy) and one with a nice song inspired by Captain > Carlsen's heroism (see posting by donmeehan). > >Harold > > >In a message dated 8/11/2013 12:11:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > >Hi all, > >An interesting obit in the Daily Telegraph for those of us who were >glued to our radios at the end of 1951 and early days of 1952 : > ><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/naval-obitua >ries/10236118/Kenneth-Dancy.html> > >following the death of Kenneth Dancy, mate of the tug Turmoil, which >went out to attempt to tow the Flying Enterprise back to Falmouth. > >Paul > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Also check out the role of Trinity House Vessel (THV) Satellite which stood by throughout the incident and is visible in all the photo/film shots. Rgds Andy Adams In a message dated 11/08/2013 21:14:53 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks for passing this along, Paul. First I've heard of it. I was only a year and a half old when it happened so was not glued to the radio then but find it very interesting today. There are some videos about the sinking of the Flying Enterprise on YouTube (see the posting by PositivFritid, which also includes footage of Dancy) and one with a nice song inspired by Captain Carlsen's heroism (see posting by donmeehan). Harold In a message dated 8/11/2013 12:11:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi all, An interesting obit in the Daily Telegraph for those of us who were glued to our radios at the end of 1951 and early days of 1952 : <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/naval-obitua ries/10236118/Kenneth-Dancy.html> following the death of Kenneth Dancy, mate of the tug Turmoil, which went out to attempt to tow the Flying Enterprise back to Falmouth. Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, An interesting obit in the Daily Telegraph for those of us who were glued to our radios at the end of 1951 and early days of 1952 : <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/naval-obituaries/10236118/Kenneth-Dancy.html> following the death of Kenneth Dancy, mate of the tug Turmoil, which went out to attempt to tow the Flying Enterprise back to Falmouth. Paul

Hi everybody, I need a lookup into the book named "Admiralty Savage : in peace & war 1906-2006" (Pen & Sword Maritime, 2007). In p.51-52, it's about a ship named Upada and I would like to know what they said about her in this book and what source (archive) have been used to for this description. Thank you in advance.

Hi Piers, This is Ian in Hong Kong. Thank you so much for the really helpful explanations about Borealis and Cutty Sark. Exactly what I needed. I shall print it all out as my own personal guidebook for my visit to the Cutty Sark. My great-grandfather and ship's steward, was William Shepperd, born in Colchester in 1842, died in Tavistock in 1922. As to the steward's job and alcohol, I had at one time thought that my great-grandfather's taking proprietorship of the Temperance Hotel in Tavistock on coming ashore in 1878 after 20 years at sea was perhaps by way of penance for past excesses. Not so. He was a Baptist. In the lengthy newspaper description of the 1899 wedding in Tavistock of his daughter (my grandmother), he is described as a 'lifelong teetotaller'. I think he must have been much sought-after by owners and masters looking to run a disciplined and sober ship. He was with Borealis for at least a decade. By the way, I have indeed read the relevant and useful pages in The Men of the Merchant Service. One of the voyages of Borealis took her from Shanghai to New York - direct, it seems. She carried a single passenger that time, one Andrew Reston, whom the master duly registered with the New York authorities as an immigrant. A bit of a backstory there, one would imagine. Then there were 1300 tons of coal from Sydney to Shanghai. And lots of contract jobs for Jardine Matheson in Hong Kong, up and down the coasts of East Asia: from Rangoon to Yokohama. Rice, for instance, from Saigon to Shanghai. All fascinating stuff. A great coincidence for me is that the maiden voyage of Borealis in 1864 took her from Rotherhithe to Hong Kong, but I have not been able to find a crew list for that voyage, so don't know if William was aboard. My UK family never mentioned to me his seafaring or his links to the Orient, despite the fact that Chinese blackwood furniture and a carved ivory junk under a glass dome were passed down to us. I arrived in Hong Kong in 1973 and am still here. Thank you again Piers. Your help is incredibly valuable to me and to my family. Ian

Thanks for passing this along, Paul. First I've heard of it. I was only a year and a half old when it happened so was not glued to the radio then but find it very interesting today. There are some videos about the sinking of the Flying Enterprise on YouTube (see the posting by PositivFritid, which also includes footage of Dancy) and one with a nice song inspired by Captain Carlsen's heroism (see posting by donmeehan). Harold In a message dated 8/11/2013 12:11:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi all, An interesting obit in the Daily Telegraph for those of us who were glued to our radios at the end of 1951 and early days of 1952 : <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/naval-obitua ries/10236118/Kenneth-Dancy.html> following the death of Kenneth Dancy, mate of the tug Turmoil, which went out to attempt to tow the Flying Enterprise back to Falmouth. Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The "Monarch of Bermuda" was used as a troopship during ww2. I am trying to find out if it sailed from the UK at the end of September/beginning of October 1944 for Bombay where it would have arrived on or before 26 October 1944. It does not appear on Arnold Hague's "convoyweb" site, so I am not very hopeful. However, if someone can show that it was on another route at the same time, it would at least prove my negative result. Any suggestions for further research would be welcome. Regards George Bush

How long would the journey be in 1925 for RUAHINE to travel from Liverpool to Auckland? I know she sailed on 31 July 1925 but wondered on what date she arrived. Any information appreciated. Many thanks Ruth

Don't know what happened to my signature in my last post! Cheers Piers On Saturday, 10 August 2013, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > Hello Ian > > I haven't managed to find many references to Borealis among my books. > What I have found suggests that though she may have been engaged in trade > with China, she does not seem to be reckoned among the crack tea clippers > such as Cutty Sark. There are brief mentions of her in Lubbock's "The > Colonial Clippers" and Macgregor's "The China Bird". I have not yet traced > a picture. > > Cutty Sark was famous for her speed and was noted for her particularly > fine lines. Borealis would not have been as sharp below the waterline, and > will have differered in points of detail - her bow may have been a > different shape, her stern cabins may have been arranged in another way, > she would have been somewhat slimmer, and her original owner did not stint > himself when it came to prettying her to a high standard. To a > contemporary sailor's eye there would probably have been little chance > of mistaking the one for the other. But Cutty Sark will be sufficiently > similar to Borealis in most practical respects for you to get a pretty good > idea of the sort of vessel your great grandfather sailed on and I do urge > you to see her if you get the chance as it will give you a better feel for > Boreasis than reading any number of books. > > As steward, he would have been in charge of the stores and the catering > for the master's cabin and have been responsible for keeping the officers > cabins clean; he may or may not have had a boy to assist him with the more > menial duties. I haven't seen Cutty Sark since her restoration, and I > can't remember the layout of her accommodation, but generally the steward > would have been reckoned among the "idlers" who did not stand a watch and > would usually have shared a cabin with the cook. His workplace would have > involved the master's cabin. Again, I can't remember the particular layout > on board but very often the cabin stores were kept in a lazarette accessed > through a trapdoor in the cabin floor which you might see. He would also usually have > been in charge of any animals kept on board for food. It has to be said > that stewards in the sailing ship era seem to have a reputation for getting > drunk at sea; buying supplies when ashore and having access to cabin stores > gave them the opportunity to acquire and secrete supplies of alcohol. > Which is not to suggest that your Gt-Grandfather was among them, just to > illustrate the temptations to which he would have been subject. For more > information, have a look at the relevant chapter in Frank Bullen's "The Men > of the Merchant Service"; though written somewhat later, it tells you a lot > about what he would have done. It's online - download from > http://archive.org/details/menmerchantserv01bullgoog > > Cheers > Pis > > > On Friday, 9 August 2013, kik wrote: > >> I hope to visit the UK in September and am thinking of a visit to the >> Cutty Sark. >> >> I have previously posted about my great-grandfather's ship Borealis which >> was built at Rotherhithe in 1864 ON50063. >> >> It seems from their burthen numbers and construction that Borealis would >> have more than a little in common with Cutty Sark. >> >> Can anyone please give me an idea of similarities and differences to look >> out for? Also, my great-grandfather was ship's steward on Borealis so I >> would love to know if there would be any specific quarters or working areas >> to look out for on Cutty Sark which would give an idea of his time at sea. >> >> IanW >> Hong Kong >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Hello Ian I haven't managed to find many references to Borealis among my books. What I have found suggests that though she may have been engaged in trade with China, she does not seem to be reckoned among the crack tea clippers such as Cutty Sark. There are brief mentions of her in Lubbock's "The Colonial Clippers" and Macgregor's "The China Bird". I have not yet traced a picture. Cutty Sark was famous for her speed and was noted for her particularly fine lines. Borealis would not have been as sharp below the waterline, and will have differered in points of detail - her bow may have been a different shape, her stern cabins may have been arranged in another way, she would have been somewhat slimmer, and her original owner did not stint himself when it came to prettying her to a high standard. To a contemporary sailor's eye there would probably have been little chance of mistaking the one for the other. But Cutty Sark will be sufficiently similar to Borealis in most practical respects for you to get a pretty good idea of the sort of vessel your great grandfather sailed on and I do urge you to see her if you get the chance as it will give you a better feel for Boreasis than reading any number of books. As steward, he would have been in charge of the stores and the catering for the master's cabin and have been responsible for keeping the officers cabins clean; he may or may not have had a boy to assist him with the more menial duties. I haven't seen Cutty Sark since her restoration, and I can't remember the layout of her accommodation, but generally the steward would have been reckoned among the "idlers" who did not stand a watch and would usually have shared a cabin with the cook. His workplace would have involved the master's cabin. Again, I can't remember the particular layout on board but very often the cabin stores were kept in a lazarette accessed through a trapdoor in the cabin floor which you might see. He would also usually have been in charge of any animals kept on board for food. It has to be said that stewards in the sailing ship era seem to have a reputation for getting drunk at sea; buying supplies when ashore and having access to cabin stores gave them the opportunity to acquire and secrete supplies of alcohol. Which is not to suggest that your Gt-Grandfather was among them, just to illustrate the temptations to which he would have been subject. For more information, have a look at the relevant chapter in Frank Bullen's "The Men of the Merchant Service"; though written somewhat later, it tells you a lot about what he would have done. It's online - download from http://archive.org/details/menmerchantserv01bullgoog Cheers Pis On Friday, 9 August 2013, kik wrote: > I hope to visit the UK in September and am thinking of a visit to the > Cutty Sark. > > I have previously posted about my great-grandfather's ship Borealis which > was built at Rotherhithe in 1864 ON50063. > > It seems from their burthen numbers and construction that Borealis would > have more than a little in common with Cutty Sark. > > Can anyone please give me an idea of similarities and differences to look > out for? Also, my great-grandfather was ship's steward on Borealis so I > would love to know if there would be any specific quarters or working areas > to look out for on Cutty Sark which would give an idea of his time at sea. > > IanW > Hong Kong > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am searching for the death of Edward Simmons, whom I believe set sail from Newcastle to Norway early 1781.  I think there was a storm in the German Sea and the Brig "Providence and Mary" was lost. I believe that there was a record of ships lost through storms in that period. Can anyone give me any information of where I might find about the incident or if there was a storm at that time.   Michael