Hi Ted There is a Cap Lihou in LR 1903 3 masted wooden schooner 255 nrt Built 1898 at Torre Del Grede ( text faded hard to read ) Owner P Marien & Co Reg Granville Mick O'Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Finch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: [MAR] Cap-Liban > Hi Listers, > > Does anyone please know anything of a ship called the "Cap-Liban", a > three master under the command of Captain Malo in 1912? > > regards > Ted > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Does anyone please know anything of a ship called the "Cap-Liban", a three master under the command of Captain Malo in 1912? regards Ted

Brian Can you contact me off line. I am in Highgate 6003. I have a similar ancestor George Castle who we have all the information we need following his arrival in Melbourne, but like Robert Walker no evidence how he arrived. From family stories and his occupation given as a ship's carpenter on his children's death certificates we have deduced that he came on a whaling ship in about 1848, deserted his employer and made his way across the Australian Alps and down the Melbourne Sydney Road via Wangaratta before marrying and settling in Melbourne in 1849 and shortly afterwards becoming a farmer in Rutherglen, Vic. There are mariners' records on Findmypast for English sailors not sure about those from Scotland. The records at Kew are for individual voyages using his mariner's ticket numbers but this requires a visit to Kew and several days work. And complicated. John Webster -----Original Message----- From: Brian Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Robert WALKER ( or WALLACE ) and Edward James ROBERTS Hello to all on the list , am new here so thought i would list my interests and queries . The identity of my wifes great grandfather Robert WALKER who was born 1830 Greenock Renfrewshire Scotland and died at South Melbourne 1919 , was a mariner according to various birth , death and marriage records attaining to him , but he was also known as Robert WALLACE and even registered the births of some of his children as WALLACE Just recently on the LDS site it has come to my attention that there was a similiar person who was in the Merchant Navy , now i have always wondered how Robert arrived in Melbourne circa 1848 according to his death certificate as there are no definite proof of how he arrived in Melbourne . Did he jump ship ?? So this next question has probably been done to death but would like some advice please on how to access the appropriate records ??? Next query is concerns another mariner ancestor on my fathers side , he was Edward James ROBERTS born circa 1811 either Stoke Damerel Devon England or Dover Kent England . Have seen similiar person (s ) on Ancestry but cant be sure its him , but received info that he died at sea in the Settlement Straits near Singapore circa 1898 Sks found his burial details for me ( Singapore ) but still dont know where i can obtain his death certificate as he may have still been a British subject ?? Tried going into the Kew site but that was like a mine field . Some advice needed please Kind regards Brian Johnson West Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello to all on the list , am new here so thought i would list my interests and queries . The identity of my wifes great grandfather Robert WALKER who was born 1830 Greenock Renfrewshire Scotland and died at South Melbourne 1919 , was a mariner according to various birth , death and marriage records attaining to him , but he was also known as Robert WALLACE and even registered the births of some of his children as WALLACE Just recently on the LDS site it has come to my attention that there was a similiar person who was in the Merchant Navy , now i have always wondered how Robert arrived in Melbourne circa 1848 according to his death certificate as there are no definite proof of how he arrived in Melbourne . Did he jump ship ?? So this next question has probably been done to death but would like some advice please on how to access the appropriate records ??? Next query is concerns another mariner ancestor on my fathers side , he was Edward James ROBERTS born circa 1811 either Stoke Damerel Devon England or Dover Kent England . Have seen similiar person (s ) on Ancestry but cant be sure its him , but received info that he died at sea in the Settlement Straits near Singapore circa 1898 Sks found his burial details for me ( Singapore ) but still dont know where i can obtain his death certificate as he may have still been a British subject ?? Tried going into the Kew site but that was like a mine field . Some advice needed please Kind regards Brian Johnson West Australia

Hello David,   Thank you ever so much for your input much appreciated.   Thanks again, Regards Yvonne ________________________________ From: asprey david <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 0:45 Subject: Re: [MAR] Craigie Lochie fishing vessel on 14 Aug 2013 Yvonne wrote I was wondering if anyone has heard of a fishing vessel called the "Craigie Lochie" which would have fished in the Berwickshire area/North Shields area in the 1930/40's My aunt who has sadly passed away said that her father, my grandfather John BURGON (born Eyemouth1866) was on this fishing boat. I can't find any reference to it at all. He was also on the Eyemouth Lifeboat from about 1900 - 1912. I think it was called the Frank and William Oates but will check my mountains of paperwork to confirm this. A few years ago I have contacted Poole but they couldn't find any record of him. They said records weren't kept as well as they are today and if they did exist it would only have been to record a heroic deed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like one of these trawlers of Richard Irvin & Sons Ltd, North Shields in the 1930s: CRAIGCOILLEACH (ON 139803) built 1917 Aberdeen - sold 1936 to Aberdeen http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100452 CRAIGELLACHIE (ON 104520) built 1896 Aberdeen - scrapped 1931 http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100990 The lifeboat R N L B FRANK & WILLIAM OATES (ON 165426)  was built at Cowes in 1937 best wishes DAvid ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello listers, I may be on the wrong list, but I welcome suggestions to look for possible records of an ancestor who drowned in the river between 1790 - 1798.  He was William Ainsley, b. 1776 in Wooler, Northumberland.  He fell off a plank when he was boarding a ship, in Shields.  There were small boats on the river, possibly fishermen, who tried to reach him but the current was too fast.  Perhaps an article in a local newspaper would be a place to search, but are there other sources of a record for his death?  I don't know where to search for newspapers that existed then - or which library holds newspapers of those years.  Perhaps a Mariner record of accidental drownings?  I am not sure if he was a seaman or traveling at the time, if he was traveling then I would need the ship name to obtain a manifest list. And that is another issue, I do not have details regarding the ship he was boarding.   Are there records of ships anchored in Shields in 1790 - 1798? Thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction in this incredibly difficult puzzle. Regards, Susan

on 14 Aug 2013 Yvonne wrote I was wondering if anyone has heard of a fishing vessel called the "Craigie Lochie" which would have fished in the Berwickshire area/North Shields area in the 1930/40's My aunt who has sadly passed away said that her father, my grandfather John BURGON (born Eyemouth1866) was on this fishing boat. I can't find any reference to it at all. He was also on the Eyemouth Lifeboat from about 1900 - 1912. I think it was called the Frank and William Oates but will check my mountains of paperwork to confirm this. A few years ago I have contacted Poole but they couldn't find any record of him. They said records weren't kept as well as they are today and if they did exist it would only have been to record a heroic deed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like one of these trawlers of Richard Irvin & Sons Ltd, North Shields in the 1930s: CRAIGCOILLEACH (ON 139803) built 1917 Aberdeen - sold 1936 to Aberdeen http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100452 CRAIGELLACHIE (ON 104520) built 1896 Aberdeen - scrapped 1931 http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100990 The lifeboat R N L B FRANK & WILLIAM OATES (ON 165426) was built at Cowes in 1937 best wishes DAvid

Richard Simeons (transcribed on one record on Find My Past as Simmons) was apparently lost overboard in 1845: [URL=http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Ruthspix/media/SeamansTicket-comment_zps26f4229e.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o700/Ruthspix/SeamansTicket-comment_zps26f4229e.jpg[/IMG][/URL] The only entry on Richard's Seaman's Ticket is in 1845 with the codes 115 and 39. If I'm right these are the port codes for Abroath and Exeter. This ties up with his place of residence which was Topsham near Exeter. Any ideas please where I can find any information about his loss at sea?  (Sorry about the underlining, I can't get rid of it!) Thanks

And the Melbourne newspaper ARGUS reported on the 22nd of May:- Industry, barque, arrived Port Phillip (Melbourne) on the 21st May. 487 tons, master was George McNeily, had departed Dublin on the 27th December 1857. Six Passengers in the steerage. Agents were T.H. Martin, FOrrest and Co -----Original Message----- From: Sean_tee Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter Dear Mariners, I am researching my family history and in particular the life of my great great grandfather, John Mallin, who sailed from Dublin bound for Australia on a ship named Industry sometime around 1857- 8. I am wondering if anyone would have any history for the ship or its crew. I believe he was a member of the ship’s crew, most likely ships carpenter, as he was a shipwright by trade and his family owned a small yard in Dublin I understand from family stories that on the voyage the Industry got into difficulties somewhere off the coast of Australia and as far as we know the ship arrived in the Port of Melbourne. I am not sure what happened to the ship after it arrived in Australia but in any event John Mallin never returned home to Ireland. According to family stories he went gold prospecting in the Bendigo region of Victoria. We believe that he died in a mining accident there. Any information on the history of the Industry, and its crew would be a great help to me in my research. Many thanks and best regards, Seán Tapley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sean, by searching on TROVE (newspaper database) at the National Library of Australia it was reported in the Bendigo Advertiser that the INDUSTRY, Barque, arrived at Melbourne on the 30th May 1858, from Dublin Bendigo Advertiser (Vic. : 1855 - 1918), Friday 21 May 1858, page 2 -----Original Message----- From: Sean_tee Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter Dear Mariners, I am researching my family history and in particular the life of my great great grandfather, John Mallin, who sailed from Dublin bound for Australia on a ship named Industry sometime around 1857- 8. I am wondering if anyone would have any history for the ship or its crew. I believe he was a member of the ship’s crew, most likely ships carpenter, as he was a shipwright by trade and his family owned a small yard in Dublin I understand from family stories that on the voyage the Industry got into difficulties somewhere off the coast of Australia and as far as we know the ship arrived in the Port of Melbourne. I am not sure what happened to the ship after it arrived in Australia but in any event John Mallin never returned home to Ireland. According to family stories he went gold prospecting in the Bendigo region of Victoria. We believe that he died in a mining accident there. Any information on the history of the Industry, and its crew would be a great help to me in my research. Many thanks and best regards, Seán Tapley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sean for starters, there was a ship named the INDUSTRY, who arrived at Melbourne 1858..... by searching on the Public Records Office of Victoria website, Unassisted Passengers to Victoria, http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=23&format=freetext&FamilyName=&GivenName=&Ship=industry&Month=0&Monthto=0&Year=0&Yearto=0&SearchSortField1=&SearchSortField2=&SearchRecords=50&x=0&y=0 it shows also an earlier trip in 1853. So the master in 1858 was George MacNeilly and the following are the passengers listed: BaRNES JOHN 15 MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 BYRNE FRED 18 MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 HEALIN DARBY 30 MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 LARKIN JOHN 20 MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 MCNEILLY GEORGE CAPT - MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 MITCHELL —- WIFE WITH 25 MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 MITCHELL JAS 32 MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 PEARGIN JOHN 25 MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 SCOTT RICHD 22 MAY 1858 INDUSTRY B 145 001 VON DYKE E J CAPT - DEC 1853 INDUSTRY F 019 001 DYKE E J VON CAPT - DEC 1853 INDUSTRY F 019 001 MARTIN JAMES 39 DEC 1853 INDUSTRY F 019 001 -----Original Message----- From: Sean_tee Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter Dear Mariners, I am researching my family history and in particular the life of my great great grandfather, John Mallin, who sailed from Dublin bound for Australia on a ship named Industry sometime around 1857- 8. I am wondering if anyone would have any history for the ship or its crew. I believe he was a member of the ship’s crew, most likely ships carpenter, as he was a shipwright by trade and his family owned a small yard in Dublin I understand from family stories that on the voyage the Industry got into difficulties somewhere off the coast of Australia and as far as we know the ship arrived in the Port of Melbourne. I am not sure what happened to the ship after it arrived in Australia but in any event John Mallin never returned home to Ireland. According to family stories he went gold prospecting in the Bendigo region of Victoria. We believe that he died in a mining accident there. Any information on the history of the Industry, and its crew would be a great help to me in my research. Many thanks and best regards, Seán Tapley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sean can you tell me John Mallin's parents names and I will check some indexes here for you cheers Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Sean_tee Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter Dear Mariners, I am researching my family history and in particular the life of my great great grandfather, John Mallin, who sailed from Dublin bound for Australia on a ship named Industry sometime around 1857- 8. I am wondering if anyone would have any history for the ship or its crew. I believe he was a member of the ship’s crew, most likely ships carpenter, as he was a shipwright by trade and his family owned a small yard in Dublin I understand from family stories that on the voyage the Industry got into difficulties somewhere off the coast of Australia and as far as we know the ship arrived in the Port of Melbourne. I am not sure what happened to the ship after it arrived in Australia but in any event John Mallin never returned home to Ireland. According to family stories he went gold prospecting in the Bendigo region of Victoria. We believe that he died in a mining accident there. Any information on the history of the Industry, and its crew would be a great help to me in my research. Many thanks and best regards, Seán Tapley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello listers,   I was wondering if anyone has heard of a fishing vessel called the "Craigie Lochie" which would have fished in the Berwickshire area/North Shields area in the 1930/40's   My aunt who has sadly passed away said that her father, my grandfather John BURGON (born Eyemouth1866) was on this fishing boat.  I can't find any reference to it at all.   He was also on the Eyemouth Lifeboat from about 1900 - 1912  I think it was called the Frank and William Oates but will check my mountains of paperwork to confirm this.  A few years ago I have contacted Poole but they couldn't find any record of him.  They said records weren't kept as well as they are today and if they did exist it would only have been to record a heroic deed.   Any assistance or advice would be gratefully accepted.   Regards Yvonne

The Mercantile Navy List for 1858 has two INDUSTRYs registered in Dublin of which ON25450 sounds as if it might be your vessel. * http://tinyurl.com/qglwzov * In which case the National Archives have a crew list for 1857 filed under BT98/5041. I seem to recall that the NA tend to file by the date the voyage started, whereas Newfoundland (which has no records of any crew agreements for that ON) does it by the year the voyage ended, so it might just be the one you want - or it might be for a previous voyage. If that isn't it, then Australian newspapers suggests the vessel may have been sold in Australia in which case it is just possible the agreement ended up there. *http://tinyurl.com/l3f8hrd . * By the 1862 MNL the vessel 25450 is INDUSTRY of Melbourne. On 14 August 2013 11:40, J. Fawcett <[email protected]> wrote: > And the Melbourne newspaper ARGUS reported on the 22nd of May:- > > Industry, barque, arrived Port Phillip (Melbourne) on the 21st May. 487 > tons, master was George McNeily, > had departed Dublin on the 27th December 1857. > Six Passengers in the steerage. > Agents were T.H. Martin, FOrrest and Co > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean_tee > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MAR] Mallin - Ship's Carpenter > > Dear Mariners, > > > > I am researching my family history and in particular the life of my great > great grandfather, John Mallin, who sailed from Dublin bound for > > Australia on a ship named Industry sometime around 1857- 8. I am wondering > if anyone would have any history for the ship or its crew. > > > > I believe he was a member of the ship’s crew, most likely ships carpenter, > as he was a shipwright by trade and his family owned a small yard in Dublin > > I understand from family stories that on the voyage the Industry got into > difficulties somewhere off the coast of Australia and as far as we know the > ship arrived in the Port of Melbourne. > > > > I am not sure what happened to the ship after it arrived in Australia but > in > any event John Mallin never returned home to Ireland. According to family > stories he went gold prospecting in the Bendigo region of Victoria. We > believe that he died in a mining accident there. > > > > Any information on the history of the Industry, and its crew would be a > great help to me in my research. > > > > Many thanks and best regards, > > > > Seán Tapley > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm trying to fill in some blanks on my gg-grandfather and admit that I know very little about seaman's records. His unusual name (Cunningham Sheppard) helps to locate some records but they are meaningless without some knowledge! In the 1841 census, Cunningham was an 8-year-old child living with his mother and step-father in Edinburgh and in the 1860 census, he turns up living in a seaman's boarding house in NYC. Checking the Merchant's Seamans index (BT114), I found 2 separate references/ticket numbers: 470178 and 547208 (the 1st listing under what appears to say "See 521" written in the column where the name would normally be written). Naturally, I used the FindMyPast website for additional information. BT113/236 (assuming 236 is the image number): Ticket 470178 was issued in January, 1850, to 17-year-old Cunningham at Shields. (No information is written in the columns showing any voyages) BT113/256: Ticket 571760 was issued in February, 1851, in Glasgow--this is NOT a ticket shown in the BT114 index and I didn't get a "hit" on the 547208 ticket. This ticket 571760 has a notation in the 1851/out column that appears to say "A" (apprentice?), 764447, and 13.2. Not a lot of information---BUT FindMyPast also showed another "hit". BT116/81 is also for Cunningham Sheppard but no ticket number. The "age" column shows age 22 and under that, age 23 with "Cynthia" written beside it and again at the bottom of the column. The "voyages" columns are very difficult to read. 1854/out appears to say "S 16.3", "Caloreteal Stockton". The 1855/out column appears to say "L 7.5", "Aliguis Lpool". The 1856/Home column appears to say "AB 5-4", "Alelguis Ldon", "Ban Adelaide", "10.9.55". I'm hoping somebody can help me decipher some of this! I'm managed to disprove the family "rumor" that he was a stow-away running away from home because he didn't like his step-mother (his mother was living!) but there's another family "rumor" that he was 1st Mate on the ship that laid the first trans-Atlantic cable. "Rumors" are nice---but I just want to know how this young man wound up in a seaman's boarding house in NYC in 1860! (Then, I can work on why he would move his family to Tennessee in 1870 so I'd know how I wound up here!) Thanks in advance for any help/advice because this is all worthless paper until I have some understanding of it! Sandy Ellis

Thank you very much! > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:04:19 +1000 > Subject: Re: [MAR] Need a lookup into the book "Admilralty Salvage" > > Not very much there. The ss UPADA is mentioned as anchored in Carloforte > Roadstead with the salvage vessel DALKEITH alongside when the latter was > ordered to go to the assistance of the torpedoed and stranded KINGSTONIAN. > In a subsequent second torpedoing of the latter ship by UB-68 it is remarked > that UPADA was not targeted because she was at a greater distance. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. V. > Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013 1:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MAR] Need a lookup into the book "Admilralty Salvage" > > Hi everybody, > > I need a lookup into the book named "Admiralty Savage : in peace & war > 1906-2006" (Pen & Sword Maritime, 2007). In p.51-52, it's about a ship named > Upada and I would like to know what they said about her in this book and > what source (archive) have been used to for this description. > > Thank you in advance. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Michael, I have found the following, which would suggest that the Providence and Mary was still in existence at least in early January 1783.  The report is from the Public Advertiser for the 4 January:  PORT OF LONDON. January 2 - 3, 1783. Coasting Ships and Vessels Entered Inwards.  Colliers:  From Newcastle ... Providence and Mary, J. Stuart. There are, not surprisingly, a  number of reports of bad weather during 1783, not least the hurricane-force winds that struck the Scottish coast around Aberdeen in early March (about 4/5/6) and lasted three days.  This was clearly a major event in the North Sea, and a number of ships were lost or badly damaged.  It may therefore be significant that I can find no mention of the Providence and Mary after this date, and she seems to disappear from the papers altogether. Best regards, PK ________________________________ From: MICHAEL MITCHESON <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 6:49 Subject: [MAR] Edward Simmons I am trying to find any storm or incident at sea between June 1782 and May 1783 which led to the death of Edward Simmons Master of "Providence and Mary", a Collier sailing out of Newcastle   Michael ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Listers I've found a newspaper article about a salvage dispute re the steamer "Enchantress" in Lowestoft harbour in 1859. My ggf's brother was Harbour Master at the time and seems to have been at or near the centre of the dispute. Can anyone tell me if there is a picture of this vessel somewhere on the Internet please? It would add a little to the account of his life. Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

I am trying to find any storm or incident at sea between June 1782 and May 1783 which led to the death of Edward Simmons Master of "Providence and Mary", a Collier sailing out of Newcastle   Michael

Hi Carl. Thanks for drawing our attention to your Welsh shipwrecks website. One of the master mariners I'm following (Captain John Kelly of Belfast) ran into a spot of trouble in May 1892 while bringing the paddle steamer Kohinoor from Glasgow to London on her delivery trip. They ran into thick fog and struck the Porthgain Rocks near Milford Haven. Her bow was concertinaed (an interesting verb) to a depth of 20 feet but they got her back to Glasgow under her own steam. There, Fairfield Shipbuilding (Govan) constructed and fitted a new bow in just six days and she eventually made it to London where she ran on the Thames (London Bridge to Harwich and back) for many years with the Victoria Steamboat Association (not under the command of my man). Not much of a wreck but thought you might be interested. Harold In a message dated 8/12/2013 1:24:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Many thanks to Paul for drawing our attention to the obituary in today's Daily Telegraph of Kenneth Dancy mate of the salvage tug Turmoil. I was 7 years old at the time and well recall the story of the attempted salvage. I was a sensitive lad and both fascinated and appalled by the plight of the Flying Enterprise. What most frightened me were the photo's of Dancy and Carlsen walking down the funnel when she was on her beam ends. This was one of the factors which led to a lifetime interest in shipwreck and life-saving at sea. At that time I was unaware that earlier generations of my father's family had been in The Mumbles Lifeboat crew and that two had lost their lives on service. Years later I was in the crew myself and enjoyed 20 years of great camaraderie. Fortunately we did not experience anything as bad as the loss of the Flying Enterprise. Those of you who may be interested in shipwreck and rescue on the coast of Wales may wish to take a look at my website: www.shipwrecks-wales.co.uk Many thanks to all for a wonderful List and the knowledgeable members. Carl Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message