Hi- You can find a database for Mariners and Ships in Australian waters at the following location, and look for William Evans and the ALICE- http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/index.htm You can also look for further information, searching for the ALICE or William Evans at the Australian digitized newspaper site. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Regards Rhonda On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:54 PM, REGINALD DAVIES <[email protected] > wrote: > I am trying to find out how William Evans born 1830 at Newport, > Pembrokeshire, Wales, a master mariner, become the owner of a piece of land > in the parish of Burrumbees, Victoria, Australia which he bequeathed to the > London > Missionary Society in 1908. Local tradition suggests that he made some > money in gold mining. > > His Board of Trade records show that he was only once possibly involved in > Australian sailing. He sailed as a mate on the Alice of Sydney between 16 > June and 18 November 1853. His application to become a master then showed a > gap in his sailings of nearly 4 years. > > How can I find out if the Alice sailed in Australian waters at this time? > Will crew lists of Sydney registered vessels be held at TNA, Kew? In other > words can I place him in Australia. > > regards > > Reg Davies > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sean I found a shipping record for a John Mallin arriving in Sydney 28 Nov 1911. Could this be yours? If so, he is listed as having a wife Betsy and three children, John, Dora and Winifred. I haven't been able to find anything else as yet. Sharon On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Sean_tee <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Piers , > > > > Many thanks for this very comprehensive response to my question on what > became of the barque Industry of Dublin You have given me a tremendous > amount of stuff to work on and to add to my understanding of the life of my > gg grandfather John Mallin. Its much appreciated. > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sean Tapley > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: Sean_tee [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 August 2013 10:20 To: '[email protected]' Cc: 'mailto:[email protected]' Subject: Mallin - Ships Carpenter Dear Sharon, Thank you for your research and for your email. My gg grandfather John Mallin was dead by 1911. He died in Australia, I think he died in a mining accident or was attacked by bandits, not sure. According to family stories, we believe that soon after he arrived in Australia (1858) on the Industry he went gold prospecting in the Bendigo region of Victoria. My mother told us that he wrote letters home and that's how they knew that he went gold prospecting in the Bendigo region of Victoria. In his letters she said that he talked about travelling to the assay office and the risk of attack from bandits. After his death his bible and his reading glasses were returned home by a friend but unfortunately they have been lost over time, as have the letters. His son, also John Mallin (1854- 1936), my g grandfather lived in Dublin all his life. He never knew his father. He was the man who passed on the stories to my mother. Much obliged. Seán Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:07:50 +1000 From: Sharon Mathieson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Mallin - Ships Carpenter To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om <mailto:[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Sean I found a shipping record for a John Mallin arriving in Sydney 28 Nov 1911. Could this be yours? If so, he is listed as having a wife Betsy and three children, John, Dora and Winifred. I haven't been able to find anything else as yet. Sharon

on 20 Aug 2013 Lesley Aylwin wrote I sailed with my mother, brother and sister from Australia to England after the war in Europe had ended, having been evacuated to Tasmania from Singapore shortly before the Japanese invaded. It was the first voyage out of Australasian waters since 1938 I think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would have been Shaw savill Line's AKAROA, formerly Aberde & Commonwealth Line's EURIPIDES, built 1914. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Akaroa_(1914) fine photo at http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/fullscreen.php?lid=1788186 DAvid

Dear all, I've been reading through the 1839 edition of "Rules and Conditions of the Coal Trade Association for Insurance Policy" dated at South Shields 20 February, 1839. The last page is a sheet of nine "Instructions to Masters of Ships" and # 2 is "To see that the anchors be marked on the shank with the ship's name in full, the weight, and owner's initials." How would such marks be made? - painted? incised? other? Was this peculiar to this insurance association or was it standard practice? Regards, Adi

Thanks to everyone who has responded with information to help me understand 'nautical' tons. In essence what I now know is that Queen of the Bay's registered tonnage was 391 tons, based on a complicated calculation which I am only just beginning to understand, while her cargo carrying capability was 800 tons. Best wishes Rosemary Rodliffe Our resources available on-line: <http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/resources.php> http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/Ancestry/resources.php Kelly's Directories of Norfolk and Cambridgeshire 1900 Return of Owners of Land in Norfolk 1873 Newnes Round the Coast 1895 Black's Guides to Cornwall 1879, Gloucestershire 1875 and South Wales 1883 Norfolk photographers details free at <http://www.earlyphotographers.org.uk/> http://www.earlyphotographers.org.uk/

On Googling the Akaroa, I only get references to an ex Royal Mail ship that changed its name in the 1950s. So, does anyone know anything about a previous ship of this name ?? It would also be of interest if Lesley or another SKS could tell us the dates for this first post-WW2 sailing. Graham On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Lesley Aylwin <[email protected]>wrote: > I sailed with my mother, brother and sister from Australia to England > after the war in Europe had ended, having been evacuated to Tasmania from > Singapore shortly before the Japanese invaded. It was the first voyage out > of Australasian waters since 1938 I think. > Lesley Aylwin > > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I sailed with my mother, brother and sister from Australia to England after the war in Europe had ended, having been evacuated to Tasmania from Singapore shortly before the Japanese invaded. It was the first voyage out of Australasian waters since 1938 I think. Lesley Aylwin Sent from my iPad

Hello While reading recent posts relating to the ship Tornado, it occurred to me that it mightn't hurt of ask questions about some family brick-walls. My great-grandfather's brother Christopher Dowdall was born in Dublin in the 1830s. From his obituary I learned: "In early life he had been for some years in the service of the East India Company, in the Bombay presidency." [Taranaki Herald, Volume XXI, Issue 2115, 12 July 1873, Page 2] When he signed up with the Army for 10 years in 1854 he was a Private with 2nd European Light Infantry; he travelled to India on the ship York. {FIBIS site] Did this ship belong to the East Indian Company? What would have been the most likely way for him to have travelled from the Bombay presidency in India to Australia? On 18 January 1864 he enrolled at Melbourne, Victoria, with the Melbourne Contingent of Taranaki Military Settlers. He arrived in New Plymouth, NZ, on the ship Gresham, as one of 420 Militia Volunteers on 13 February 1864. They were known as military settlers - receiving land in return for army service. The mystery for me is to discover how he got from India to Australia. Were there regular ships travelling to and from India to Australia at this time, and where might I search for more information. Thanks Paddy

Paddy, Thank you for the very interesting information on Irish Oak Forests and shipbuilding. I also learned about the Tanning industry from it , much obliged. Seán

Hi Paul Thank you for your reply, most helpful I was struck by the fact that the "Tornado" left for the Gulf on March 11th, just a week after the Treaty ending the war was signed and apparently before the troops themselves knew the war was over. The Government originally wanted the troops out fast because the unhealthy hot season was about to start.The second time the "Tornado" left for the Gulf, May 23rd, the Indian Mutiny had broken out. There was lots of discussion in parliament about getting troops there quickly, whether steamers were superior to sailing ships in this respect. As the "Tornado" carried emigrants to Australia, presumably she wouldn't have needed much if any modification to go and collect troops (and Government supplies, her Captain reported). Thank you Paddy as well. I've been reading accounts of the Indian Mutiny and I rather wish I hadn't Clare Hi Clare >One shouldn't forget that the French, British, Turkish and Sardinian >governments had hired, leased and even purchased many hundreds of >Comerica vessels during the Crimean War, from, I think, 1854-1856, which was so soon followed by the Second China War, the Indian Mutiny, as already noted, and as you say, the Anglo-Persian problem, so the Admiralty and the War Office, along with their counter-parts in Europe, were well versed in acquiring vessels for the purposes you describe, as were the various shipping companies in meeting that demand, and often making exceptional profits, often due to the uneconomic way in which the vessels were used, particularly by the War Office, who often used the vessels as store ships once they had arrived on station, particularly during the Crimean War, which had the effect of inflating the cost of transporting goods worldwide, and delayed, for some years, the introduction of steam ships on regular services to the Antipodes, because most of the best shipping was acquired for government purposes, so was, in the main a commercial decision, although, no doubt, there was presumably some form of patriotic duty or expectation, but at the same time British ship owners were also happy to provide shipping to the French government too. Paul >Hello >Also, bear in mind that the Indian Mutiny broke out on 10 May 1857. >Paddy

Hi Clare One shouldn't forget that the French, British, Turkish and Sardinian governments had hired, leased and even purchased many hundreds of Comerica vessels during the Crimean War, from, I think, 1854-1856, which was so soon followed by the Second China War, the Indian Mutiny, as already noted, and as you say, the Anglo-Persian problem, so the Admiralty and the War Office, along with their counter-parts in Europe, were well versed in acquiring vessels for the purposes you describe, as were the various shipping companies in meeting that demand, and often making exceptional profits, often due to the uneconomic way in which the vessels were used, particularly by the War Office, who often used the vessels as store ships once they had arrived on station, particularly during the Crimean War, which had the effect of inflating the cost of transporting goods worldwide, and delayed, for some years, the introduction of steam ships on regular services to the Antipodes, because most of the best shipping was acquired for government purposes, so was, in the main a commercial decision, although, no doubt, there was presumably some form of patriotic duty or expectation, but at the same time British ship owners were also happy to provide shipping to the French government too. Paul On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:33:54 +1000, Patricia Byers <[email protected]> wrote: >Hello >Also, bear in mind that the Indian Mutiny broke out on 10 May 1857. >Paddy >On 18/08/2013, at 6:51 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Good Morning >> >> I have recently discovered that the Tornado (31789), a ship which had just >> taken emigrants to Australia, at least twice went from Bombay to the >> Persian Gulf on the return voyage. This was ferrying troops and Government >> supplies, I believe after (rather than during) the Anglo-Persian war of 1856/7. >> The treaty of Paris ending the war was signed March 4th but some sources >> have the war ending on April 4th. >> >> My query is, would there have been compulsion about this? The Tornado was >> at Bombay from Feb 9th 1857, the Captain's wife having had a baby on board >> on Feb 7th. While at Bombay, the baby was christened at St Andrews and the >> Captain consulted a doctor for his stomach problems. Would merchant ships >> have been commandeered or was it more a case that the ship owners would have >> been keen on the extra income? Would the Captain (Robert Crighton) have >> had any choice in the matter, or is this unknowable? >> >> The Tornado sailed for the Persian Gulf on March 11th (with the Julia) and >> May 23rd. I read that many of the troops which served in the Anglo Persian >> War were from Bombay. >> >> I have been unable to find when the Tornado returned to the UK, but she >> left Liverpool again for Australia in December 1857 with a different Captain. >> >> Some time ago i asked for help to locate the log book (in the National >> Archives) of the Tornado's first sailing to Australia in 1855. I did consult >> it, fascinating; especially the Captain's medical treatments! I hope the log >> book for this trip survived as well. >> >> Clare >> Oxford, UK >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Also, bear in mind that the Indian Mutiny broke out on 10 May 1857. Paddy On 18/08/2013, at 6:51 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Good Morning > > I have recently discovered that the Tornado (31789), a ship which had just > taken emigrants to Australia, at least twice went from Bombay to the > Persian Gulf on the return voyage. This was ferrying troops and Government > supplies, I believe after (rather than during) the Anglo-Persian war of 1856/7. > The treaty of Paris ending the war was signed March 4th but some sources > have the war ending on April 4th. > > My query is, would there have been compulsion about this? The Tornado was > at Bombay from Feb 9th 1857, the Captain's wife having had a baby on board > on Feb 7th. While at Bombay, the baby was christened at St Andrews and the > Captain consulted a doctor for his stomach problems. Would merchant ships > have been commandeered or was it more a case that the ship owners would have > been keen on the extra income? Would the Captain (Robert Crighton) have > had any choice in the matter, or is this unknowable? > > The Tornado sailed for the Persian Gulf on March 11th (with the Julia) and > May 23rd. I read that many of the troops which served in the Anglo Persian > War were from Bombay. > > I have been unable to find when the Tornado returned to the UK, but she > left Liverpool again for Australia in December 1857 with a different Captain. > > Some time ago i asked for help to locate the log book (in the National > Archives) of the Tornado's first sailing to Australia in 1855. I did consult > it, fascinating; especially the Captain's medical treatments! I hope the log > book for this trip survived as well. > > Clare > Oxford, UK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jenny Thank you for your research into the BMD in Victoria. It is possible that John Mallin did remarry in Victoria but we have no knowledge of that . If he wasn't married then it is most likely that his death wasn't registered, at least that's how it was in Ireland at that time. Would there be a registration of the mines or miners for Bendigo region or assay office records for claims? Id guess John Mallin was born in 1828 or thereabouts. His parents lived in Dublin City and I think he had a sister named Elizabeth. Im not sure how many siblings he had though. Best Wishes Sean Tapley

Dear Piers , Many thanks for this very comprehensive response to my question on what became of the barque Industry of Dublin You have given me a tremendous amount of stuff to work on and to add to my understanding of the life of my gg grandfather John Mallin. Its much appreciated. Best Wishes Sean Tapley

Good Morning I have recently discovered that the Tornado (31789), a ship which had just taken emigrants to Australia, at least twice went from Bombay to the Persian Gulf on the return voyage. This was ferrying troops and Government supplies, I believe after (rather than during) the Anglo-Persian war of 1856/7. The treaty of Paris ending the war was signed March 4th but some sources have the war ending on April 4th. My query is, would there have been compulsion about this? The Tornado was at Bombay from Feb 9th 1857, the Captain's wife having had a baby on board on Feb 7th. While at Bombay, the baby was christened at St Andrews and the Captain consulted a doctor for his stomach problems. Would merchant ships have been commandeered or was it more a case that the ship owners would have been keen on the extra income? Would the Captain (Robert Crighton) have had any choice in the matter, or is this unknowable? The Tornado sailed for the Persian Gulf on March 11th (with the Julia) and May 23rd. I read that many of the troops which served in the Anglo Persian War were from Bombay. I have been unable to find when the Tornado returned to the UK, but she left Liverpool again for Australia in December 1857 with a different Captain. Some time ago i asked for help to locate the log book (in the National Archives) of the Tornado's first sailing to Australia in 1855. I did consult it, fascinating; especially the Captain's medical treatments! I hope the log book for this trip survived as well. Clare Oxford, UK

Hi Anne The Foreign Office papers at the National Archives or newspapers of the day might provide the actual reason, so can only surmise in the light of what little I know about the area. Eg one wonders if it might not have been the usual on-going problems of piracy and slavery associated with the Barbary States, which spread round from what is now Morocco through to Libya, and which remained an on-going problem over the centuries, up until the middle to latter end of the 19th Century. European mariners and passengers were frequent targets and when not used as slaves were often used to extract ransoms etc. And it shouldn't be forgotten that in earlier times towns and villages around the coast of the UK were occasional targets for these freebooters, and their presence in the English Channel as late as the early 19th Century was often noted in the papers of the day. As time went by both the Americans and the British attempted to resolve the problem, but pressure from Spain and France, which included occupation of these nation states seems to have been the only relatively permanent solution. In addition, I gather that relations between Spain and GB were somewhat strained by the GB's occupation of parts of the Falkland Isles, then, according to the Spanish, within their sphere of interest....plus no doubt, much as it is today, Gibraltar itself has been a bone of contention, and means of diverting the attention of the Spanish population from their problems at home, much as the Falkland Isles are used for the same purpose by the Argentines ? Paul On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:48:37 +0200 (CEST), [email protected] wrote: >Dear listers, >I am trying to find out why british naval vessels would be examining vessels coming through the Sraights of Gibraltar around 1768-9. Can anyone point me in the right direction? > >Yours sincerely, >Anne in Wales > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Dear listers, I am trying to find out why british naval vessels would be examining vessels coming through the Sraights of Gibraltar around 1768-9. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Yours sincerely, Anne in Wales

I am tracing a ship the Moreton Bay my relative came here on it in 1924 was it a passenger ship and would the staff be classed as passengers..Beryle Mason

Hello Berylle, In 1924 the Moreton Bay belonged to the Australian Commonwealth Line.  She had been built at Barrow in 1921, one of five identical liners, but in 1928 was bought by the White Star Line before being transferred to the Aberdeen and Commonwealth Line in 1933.  At the outbreak of WWII she was converted into an armed merchant cruiser, and afterwards used as a troopship.  She was eventually scrapped in 1957.  There are lots of pictures of her online, particularly at: http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20M/index42.html Unless I am mistaken, I would think the staff were classed as crew. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Beryles Emails <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 3:22 Subject: [MAR] ship I am tracing a ship the Moreton Bay my relative came here on it in 1924 was it a passenger ship and would the staff be classed as passengers..Beryle Mason ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message