Hi Valerie You may well have this already, judging by the sources you have, but, looking at the Navy List for July 1830 I see that Frederick, or Thompson Fred. as he was detailed, was promoted to Lieutenant 3 Feb 1815, but would presumably have been on half-pay as he's not shown as having been appointed to a ship. One could suggest that he was one of the lucky ones as he wasn't, as with so many of his counterparts, discharged to shore, in that he was promoted to Lieutenant at the end of the Napoleonic Wars, which meant that as long as he behaved himself he was guaranteed half-pay until he died, but would remain at the beck and call of the Admiralty. Meanwhile, with Admiralty approval, as with many officers in the Service around this period, he could find himself work in Civvy Street, perhaps working as a harbour master etc. in ports around the country, or in the colonies, although some officers found work in the service of other countries, as with Cochrane, and went to work for countries like Chile, Brazil, and Greece, circa the 1820s, and in Portugal and Spain, in the early 1830s, whilst others found positions as Masters of merchant vessels, or went to live in the colonies. The less lucky ones were the midshipmen and master' mates and so forth, who, not being full officers, not having received commissions or warrants, found themselves on the beach, as was so well illustrated in a Punch cartoon of the time, showing a midshipman shining shoes in the City, having served his country against Napoleon for the X number of years. But at the same time it shouldn't perhaps be forgotten that over 100,000 naval ratings and marines were also discharged to shore circa 1814-1817, leaving about 17,000 to man the remaining vessels. > I am puzzled by the different ranks or positions he held as there seems no particular order. Midshipman and Master's Mate were about equivalent ranks, whereas Acting 2nd Master and Acting Master, were progressions from Master's Mate, but it being war time and the promotions being Acting were therefore only temporary. A similar sort of thing occurred during both WWI and II, when many officers were awarded promotions of a temporary nature, some of which were later confirmed, whilst in many cases officers returned to their original ranks. Captain Bligh, of Bounty fame, came up through the ranks of Master's Mate and Master, before being promoted to Lieutenant and Captain etc. And as a final note, it wasn't until many years later that a formal retirement process was introduced for all officers, so during the period in question, apart from those who were deemed physically unfit for sea duties, an officer could remain on half-pay until he went to meet his Maker. Regards Paul On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 19:43:09 +0100, "Paul and Valerie" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi List, > >I am trying to find out more about the naval career of my ancestor Frederick Thompson, Lieutenant in the Royal Navy born 1781 died 1833. > >I have a copy of his service record between 1803-1815. His rank on the first entry is A.B serving on the 'Argo' in the West Indies. I am puzzled by the different ranks or positions he held as there seems no particular order. After the first voyage there were another 12 ships listed with 14 voyages (twice on the same 2 ships). His ranks ranged from Midshipman, Acting Master, Masters Mate and Acting 2nd Master. These ranks were not in any particular order. None of the rank state Lieutenant, but he passed to Lieutenant at Sheerness 6th November 1811. This information I found at the National Archives, but it was a long time ago and I cannot remember which series this statement about passing to Lieutenant would have been. > >The age of 34 seems to be young to retire from the Navy unless he was wounded and I'm not sure where I might find this sort of information. > >The only documents I have about Frederick's career is his service record National Archives No. ADM 9/3 RP/0885. There is a number at the top of the document 4534 and wonder is anyone knows what this number signifies? The other document relating to his career is item ref: ADM 45/3/588 which states that; > >"Frederick Thompson Lieutenant who died 22 July 1833. Notes on executors application for money owed by the Royal Navy." > >Can anyone tell me if Frederick may have continued in the Royal Navy after 1815 when the last entry of a voyage was mentioned? > >I do have details of his wife and children, but very little about his life between 1815-1833 although I know he lived in Lambeth, Surrey from the entries of his children's baptisms. > >Any help would be much appreciated. > >kind regards >Valerie Richards > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hell Peter, Yes, you are dating yourself and me too. I well remember those tea chests, both for removal and skiffle music. Ah, the mariners' list is fascinating, even though they could not find the answer I wanted, but I love it, for what I learn. Judith in Metung, Victoria, Australia. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Peter Monks <[email protected]>wrote: > Would the construction of the tea chests, light and sturdy, have been used > for the opium trade? I recall from my youth these chests being used for > transportation by removal companies. I read of the skills of chinese > construction workers to fabricate these boxes to fit all available space on > the ships. Size and construction would reduce availability of the material? > > For interest these tea chests became musical bases in early skiffle music, > complete with broom handle and string, scales obtained by tension, or am i > dating myself? > > Always interested in matters nautical, and obscure. Landing of first > planes on ship with rope handles under the wings, to which enthusiastic > bodies lept out to secure the plane and pilot. Many thanks. Peter Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Would the construction of the tea chests, light and sturdy, have been used for the opium trade? I recall from my youth these chests being used for transportation by removal companies. I read of the skills of chinese construction workers to fabricate these boxes to fit all available space on the ships. Size and construction would reduce availability of the material? For interest these tea chests became musical bases in early skiffle music, complete with broom handle and string, scales obtained by tension, or am i dating myself? Always interested in matters nautical, and obscure. Landing of first planes on ship with rope handles under the wings, to which enthusiastic bodies lept out to secure the plane and pilot. Many thanks. Peter Canada

Since studying Economic History at university many years ago I have always been interested in the context in which events have occurred. Hence, when following correspondence relating to vessels involved in the opium trade, I decided to refresh my memory about the Opium Wars and the trade triangle in which opium played a significant role. For those who wish to get a bigger picture, the following sites might be of interest: http://martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/jan2010/opium-trade-views.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars Paddy On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Norma Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > Two opium clippers: > > The Straits Times, 8 March 1862, page 2 > Monday 3rd March > The steamer Thunder Captain Fowler, arrived from Calcutta, on Sunday > morning early. By her we have received the particulars of the Opium sale of > the 6th. The Thunder left again for China about 5ive o’clock on the same > day. > ******* > The Straits Times, 8 March 1862, page 2 > Calcutta Opium Sales > ******* > The Straits Times, 22 Mar 1862, page 4, Advertisements > Notice-- The undersigned will continue as heretofore, to land at this > place, the cargoes of Opium and every other description of merchandise > brought hither by the steamers Thunder and Lightning, from Calcutta and > Bombay at their godowns as well as the return cargoes per both the said > steamers from China; and request that the consignees of such cargoes apply > immediately after they are landed for delivery otherwise they will be at > the risk and responsibility of the consignees. Stephen & Joaquim, > Singapore, 4th February, 1862. > ******** > The Strait Times, 23 May 1863, page 1 > China News-- The steamer Thunder, Captain Fowler, from Hongkong, arrived > in the roads yesterday morning, having left on the 9th instant. We have > received papers to the 9th inst. > The 4th Opium Sale of the year in Calcutta on 6th May. > (The Lightning carries 1,626 chests of opium....mainly for Hongkong, with > some for Singapore and Penang. > The Thunder carries 3,612 chests of opium.... mainly for Hongkong with a > small quantty for Singapore.) > ********** > The Straits Times, 4 july 1863, page 1 > The 6th Opium Sale of the year at Calcutta on 8th June. > (The Lightning carries 1,574 chests of opium.... mainly for Hongkong but > also for Singapore and Penang. > The Thunder carries 1.826 chests of opium..... mainly for Hongkong with > some for Singapore.) > ******** > The Strait Times reports on many opium auctions and it is possible to > match up sales of opium with ships departing from Calcutta. The master of > the Thunder was Capt. David Fowler born in Cellardyke, Fife in 1818. David > Fowler worked for the Apcar line and many of their ships conveyed opium. > Capt. Fowler ended his connection with the Thunder in early 1863. The > family returned to Scotland and when their last child was born the > newspaper reported: > “Birth-- FOWLER-- At Elie, Fifeshire, on the 22d inst., the wife of > Captain David FOWLER, late of the Steamer Thunder, of a daughter.” -- > Caledonian Mercury, Edinburgh, 30 Mar 1864 Apparently a connection with the > Thunder was worthy of note to the folks back home. > > David Fowler had also commanded the Catherine Apcar and the Armenian, both > Apcar ships. > ********* > from India-L Archives (rootsweb.com) > Subject: (Fwd) Re: [India-L] (Fwd) Apcar Alexander Apcar > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:43:54 +1000 > > Some notes on the Apcar Line > > Brothers Arratoon and Gregory Apcar from New Julfa in Persia founded > Apcar and Company in 1819. Initially a trading company in Bombay, it > moved to Calcutta. Here it ventured into the shipping business and > soon carved out a niche for itself offering freight and passage as > well as transporting their lucrative cargo-opium. > > By the mid 1840s, the 275 ton brig Arratoon Apcar was plying the > Calcutta, Penang, Singapore and China circuit, calling in at > Singapore > nearly every second month. A few years later, the Ararat and the 400 > ton Catherine Apcar, named after Arratoon's wife, had joined the > fleet. > > Keeping abreast of the times, the company began introducing steam > clippers in the 1850s. The 315 ton Lightning and 593 ton Thunder were > soon joined by a new 938 ton Arratoon Apcar and in 1858 by the > Armenia- large vessels for country shipping. > > In March 1861, the much admired new 240-ton screw steamer Thunder [a > " fine specimen of naval architecture' ] arrived at Singapore having > made the journey from Hong Kong in only 5 days and 2 hours. However, > she was outdone by Lightning who lived up to her name, setting a 4 day > 20 hour record for the journey in November 1862. > > Newer and larger steamers joined the fleet. The first steam Catherine > Apcar built in 1865 was 1019 tons; a few years later she was joined > by the 1476-ton Hindustan and the 1471-ton China. .The Japan, > commissioned in 1872, rather appropriately called at Kobe, Yokohama > and Nagasaki. A modern 2153-ton Arratoon Apcar was built in 1873. > > For about 25 years, until the 1870s, the Apcar clippers dominated the > opium trade departing with their cargoes from Bombay or Calcutta, > calling in at Singapore and then on to Hong Kong or Canton River. In > August 1856, Lightning was on her fifth Calcutta- China trip and had > transported 10,006 chests of opium to China, since October 1855. In > 1865, out of the 43 listed sailings of opium ships to China, 17 were > Apcar ships including: Arratoon Apcar, Armenia, Catherine Apcar, Lightning, > Thunder and T A Gibbs. > > > Norma > > > > On 2013-09-03, at 5:20 PM, Peter Beeston wrote: > > > Lubbock (“The Opium Clippers”) describes the clipper brig KITTY (Captain > > Willie) as an opium craft but does not mention a CATHERINE. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Paddy for the links to Opium trade, Norma for the history of two opium clippers, and Peter for the book reference (I will try and see if I can get it on inter library loan). It looks like he also transported slaves (though they called it another name). It makes me sad, but I would like to see the whole pictures. Celia On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Paddy Byers <[email protected]> wrote: > Since studying Economic History at university many years ago I have always > been interested in the context in which events have occurred. Hence, when > following correspondence relating to vessels involved in the opium trade, > I decided to refresh my memory about the Opium Wars and the trade triangle > in which opium played a significant role. > > For those who wish to get a bigger picture, the following sites might be of > interest: > http://martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/jan2010/opium-trade-views.html > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars > > Paddy > > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Norma Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Two opium clippers: > > > > The Straits Times, 8 March 1862, page 2 > > Monday 3rd March > > The steamer Thunder Captain Fowler, arrived from Calcutta, on Sunday > > morning early. By her we have received the particulars of the Opium sale > of > > the 6th. The Thunder left again for China about 5ive o’clock on the same > > day. > > ******* > > The Straits Times, 8 March 1862, page 2 > > Calcutta Opium Sales > > ******* > > The Straits Times, 22 Mar 1862, page 4, Advertisements > > Notice-- The undersigned will continue as heretofore, to land at this > > place, the cargoes of Opium and every other description of merchandise > > brought hither by the steamers Thunder and Lightning, from Calcutta and > > Bombay at their godowns as well as the return cargoes per both the said > > steamers from China; and request that the consignees of such cargoes > apply > > immediately after they are landed for delivery otherwise they will be at > > the risk and responsibility of the consignees. Stephen & Joaquim, > > Singapore, 4th February, 1862. > > ******** > > The Strait Times, 23 May 1863, page 1 > > China News-- The steamer Thunder, Captain Fowler, from Hongkong, arrived > > in the roads yesterday morning, having left on the 9th instant. We have > > received papers to the 9th inst. > > The 4th Opium Sale of the year in Calcutta on 6th May. > > (The Lightning carries 1,626 chests of opium....mainly for Hongkong, with > > some for Singapore and Penang. > > The Thunder carries 3,612 chests of opium.... mainly for Hongkong with a > > small quantty for Singapore.) > > ********** > > The Straits Times, 4 july 1863, page 1 > > The 6th Opium Sale of the year at Calcutta on 8th June. > > (The Lightning carries 1,574 chests of opium.... mainly for Hongkong but > > also for Singapore and Penang. > > The Thunder carries 1.826 chests of opium..... mainly for Hongkong with > > some for Singapore.) > > ******** > > The Strait Times reports on many opium auctions and it is possible to > > match up sales of opium with ships departing from Calcutta. The master of > > the Thunder was Capt. David Fowler born in Cellardyke, Fife in 1818. > David > > Fowler worked for the Apcar line and many of their ships conveyed opium. > > Capt. Fowler ended his connection with the Thunder in early 1863. The > > family returned to Scotland and when their last child was born the > > newspaper reported: > > “Birth-- FOWLER-- At Elie, Fifeshire, on the 22d inst., the wife of > > Captain David FOWLER, late of the Steamer Thunder, of a daughter.” -- > > Caledonian Mercury, Edinburgh, 30 Mar 1864 Apparently a connection with > the > > Thunder was worthy of note to the folks back home. > > > > David Fowler had also commanded the Catherine Apcar and the Armenian, > both > > Apcar ships. > > ********* > > from India-L Archives (rootsweb.com) > > Subject: (Fwd) Re: [India-L] (Fwd) Apcar Alexander Apcar > > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:43:54 +1000 > > > > Some notes on the Apcar Line > > > > Brothers Arratoon and Gregory Apcar from New Julfa in Persia founded > > Apcar and Company in 1819. Initially a trading company in Bombay, it > > moved to Calcutta. Here it ventured into the shipping business and > > soon carved out a niche for itself offering freight and passage as > > well as transporting their lucrative cargo-opium. > > > > By the mid 1840s, the 275 ton brig Arratoon Apcar was plying the > > Calcutta, Penang, Singapore and China circuit, calling in at > > Singapore > > nearly every second month. A few years later, the Ararat and the 400 > > ton Catherine Apcar, named after Arratoon's wife, had joined the > > fleet. > > > > Keeping abreast of the times, the company began introducing steam > > clippers in the 1850s. The 315 ton Lightning and 593 ton Thunder were > > soon joined by a new 938 ton Arratoon Apcar and in 1858 by the > > Armenia- large vessels for country shipping. > > > > In March 1861, the much admired new 240-ton screw steamer Thunder [a > > " fine specimen of naval architecture' ] arrived at Singapore having > > made the journey from Hong Kong in only 5 days and 2 hours. However, > > she was outdone by Lightning who lived up to her name, setting a 4 day > > 20 hour record for the journey in November 1862. > > > > Newer and larger steamers joined the fleet. The first steam Catherine > > Apcar built in 1865 was 1019 tons; a few years later she was joined > > by the 1476-ton Hindustan and the 1471-ton China. .The Japan, > > commissioned in 1872, rather appropriately called at Kobe, Yokohama > > and Nagasaki. A modern 2153-ton Arratoon Apcar was built in 1873. > > > > For about 25 years, until the 1870s, the Apcar clippers dominated the > > opium trade departing with their cargoes from Bombay or Calcutta, > > calling in at Singapore and then on to Hong Kong or Canton River. In > > August 1856, Lightning was on her fifth Calcutta- China trip and had > > transported 10,006 chests of opium to China, since October 1855. In > > 1865, out of the 43 listed sailings of opium ships to China, 17 were > > Apcar ships including: Arratoon Apcar, Armenia, Catherine Apcar, > Lightning, > > Thunder and T A Gibbs. > > > > > > Norma > > > > > > > > On 2013-09-03, at 5:20 PM, Peter Beeston wrote: > > > > > Lubbock (“The Opium Clippers”) describes the clipper brig KITTY > (Captain > > > Willie) as an opium craft but does not mention a CATHERINE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Two opium clippers: The Straits Times, 8 March 1862, page 2 Monday 3rd March The steamer Thunder Captain Fowler, arrived from Calcutta, on Sunday morning early. By her we have received the particulars of the Opium sale of the 6th. The Thunder left again for China about 5ive o’clock on the same day. ******* The Straits Times, 8 March 1862, page 2 Calcutta Opium Sales ******* The Straits Times, 22 Mar 1862, page 4, Advertisements Notice-- The undersigned will continue as heretofore, to land at this place, the cargoes of Opium and every other description of merchandise brought hither by the steamers Thunder and Lightning, from Calcutta and Bombay at their godowns as well as the return cargoes per both the said steamers from China; and request that the consignees of such cargoes apply immediately after they are landed for delivery otherwise they will be at the risk and responsibility of the consignees. Stephen & Joaquim, Singapore, 4th February, 1862. ******** The Strait Times, 23 May 1863, page 1 China News-- The steamer Thunder, Captain Fowler, from Hongkong, arrived in the roads yesterday morning, having left on the 9th instant. We have received papers to the 9th inst. The 4th Opium Sale of the year in Calcutta on 6th May. (The Lightning carries 1,626 chests of opium....mainly for Hongkong, with some for Singapore and Penang. The Thunder carries 3,612 chests of opium.... mainly for Hongkong with a small quantty for Singapore.) ********** The Straits Times, 4 july 1863, page 1 The 6th Opium Sale of the year at Calcutta on 8th June. (The Lightning carries 1,574 chests of opium.... mainly for Hongkong but also for Singapore and Penang. The Thunder carries 1.826 chests of opium..... mainly for Hongkong with some for Singapore.) ******** The Strait Times reports on many opium auctions and it is possible to match up sales of opium with ships departing from Calcutta. The master of the Thunder was Capt. David Fowler born in Cellardyke, Fife in 1818. David Fowler worked for the Apcar line and many of their ships conveyed opium. Capt. Fowler ended his connection with the Thunder in early 1863. The family returned to Scotland and when their last child was born the newspaper reported: “Birth-- FOWLER-- At Elie, Fifeshire, on the 22d inst., the wife of Captain David FOWLER, late of the Steamer Thunder, of a daughter.” -- Caledonian Mercury, Edinburgh, 30 Mar 1864 Apparently a connection with the Thunder was worthy of note to the folks back home. David Fowler had also commanded the Catherine Apcar and the Armenian, both Apcar ships. ********* from India-L Archives (rootsweb.com) Subject: (Fwd) Re: [India-L] (Fwd) Apcar Alexander Apcar Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:43:54 +1000 Some notes on the Apcar Line Brothers Arratoon and Gregory Apcar from New Julfa in Persia founded Apcar and Company in 1819. Initially a trading company in Bombay, it moved to Calcutta. Here it ventured into the shipping business and soon carved out a niche for itself offering freight and passage as well as transporting their lucrative cargo-opium. By the mid 1840s, the 275 ton brig Arratoon Apcar was plying the Calcutta, Penang, Singapore and China circuit, calling in at Singapore nearly every second month. A few years later, the Ararat and the 400 ton Catherine Apcar, named after Arratoon's wife, had joined the fleet. Keeping abreast of the times, the company began introducing steam clippers in the 1850s. The 315 ton Lightning and 593 ton Thunder were soon joined by a new 938 ton Arratoon Apcar and in 1858 by the Armenia- large vessels for country shipping. In March 1861, the much admired new 240-ton screw steamer Thunder [a " fine specimen of naval architecture' ] arrived at Singapore having made the journey from Hong Kong in only 5 days and 2 hours. However, she was outdone by Lightning who lived up to her name, setting a 4 day 20 hour record for the journey in November 1862. Newer and larger steamers joined the fleet. The first steam Catherine Apcar built in 1865 was 1019 tons; a few years later she was joined by the 1476-ton Hindustan and the 1471-ton China. .The Japan, commissioned in 1872, rather appropriately called at Kobe, Yokohama and Nagasaki. A modern 2153-ton Arratoon Apcar was built in 1873. For about 25 years, until the 1870s, the Apcar clippers dominated the opium trade departing with their cargoes from Bombay or Calcutta, calling in at Singapore and then on to Hong Kong or Canton River. In August 1856, Lightning was on her fifth Calcutta- China trip and had transported 10,006 chests of opium to China, since October 1855. In 1865, out of the 43 listed sailings of opium ships to China, 17 were Apcar ships including: Arratoon Apcar, Armenia, Catherine Apcar, Lightning, Thunder and T A Gibbs. Norma On 2013-09-03, at 5:20 PM, Peter Beeston wrote: > Lubbock (“The Opium Clippers”) describes the clipper brig KITTY (Captain > Willie) as an opium craft but does not mention a CATHERINE. > > >

Lubbock (“The Opium Clippers”) describes the clipper brig KITTY (Captain Willie) as an opium craft but does not mention a CATHERINE. -----Original Message----- From: Celia Summers Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Opium Clippers In 1839 - British brig "Catherine," 199 tons, Captain ___ Willie, departed Calcutta, departed from Saugor 6 May 1839 for Singapore, 6 Jun 1839 in Singapore (cargo opium, etc.) , and departed Singapore 14 June 1839 for Penang. 1840-1845 - British clipper brig "Kitty," 199 tons, Captain John Willie, agent Boustead & Co., places arrived at and departed from: Saugor, Singapore, China (?Hong Kong), Calcutta, Kedgeree, Penang, Macao, Rangoon, Moulmein. It looks like the brig Kitty might be an Opium Clipper. Please, was the Captain of the brig Catherine - John Willie - as can't find him in 1839? This is probably crazy, but I am wondering if the "brig Catherine," and the "brig Kitty" could possibly be the same ship, but had a name change (Kitty being a nickname of Catherine) to avoid confusion between the other British brig Catherine. Is there a list of Opium Clippers? .., 1839, 1840, ... - British brig Catherine, 125 tons, Captains Lee & Felix, agent Chinese, places arrived and departed from: Malacca, Penang, etc. Thank you, Celia

Thank you Peter for confirming that the brig KITTY was an opium clipper, & looking for the brig CATHERINE. Wow, it is turning into quite the story. The family lore said he sailed between India and Bristol, but it looks like he sailed around Asia. Just found on FIBIS that the Captain of the CATHERINE was a J. Willie, so I think this just might be him, even if they were two different ships. Gratefully, Celia On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Peter Beeston <[email protected]> wrote: > Lubbock (“The Opium Clippers”) describes the clipper brig KITTY (Captain > Willie) as an opium craft but does not mention a CATHERINE. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Celia Summers > Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:23 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MAR] Opium Clippers > > In 1839 - British brig "Catherine," 199 tons, Captain ___ Willie, > departed Calcutta, departed from Saugor 6 May 1839 for Singapore, 6 Jun > 1839 in Singapore (cargo opium, etc.) , and departed Singapore 14 June 1839 > for Penang. > > 1840-1845 - British clipper brig "Kitty," 199 tons, Captain John Willie, > agent Boustead & Co., places arrived at and departed from: Saugor, > Singapore, China (?Hong Kong), Calcutta, Kedgeree, Penang, Macao, Rangoon, > Moulmein. It looks like the brig Kitty might be an Opium Clipper. > > Please, was the Captain of the brig Catherine - John Willie - as can't find > him in 1839? This is probably crazy, but I am wondering if the "brig > Catherine," and the "brig Kitty" could possibly be the same ship, but had a > name change (Kitty being a nickname of Catherine) to avoid confusion > between the other British brig Catherine. Is there a list of Opium > Clippers? > > .., 1839, 1840, ... - British brig Catherine, 125 tons, Captains Lee & > Felix, agent Chinese, places arrived and departed from: Malacca, Penang, > etc. > > Thank you, > Celia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, I have an ancestor John Booth Laurence who died of fever whilst at Demerara in 1852, aged 14. He was aboard the barque Mahaica. I am trying to discover more about the ship. I know she was built of wood by Robert Steele & co. of Greenock in 1837 and weighed 280 bm. She had 3 masts and ran aground on 30/05/1854. She had a crew of 11 and transported immigrants. Her last owner was Waverley Shipping Co. Ltd. - Duff T. L. & Co., Glasgow SV Mahaica. Her previous owners were Barbour & Co., Liverpool. have been trying to find a book called ' Steele-built: the story of a Greenock shipbuilder and its ships but have had no luck. I am also trying to track down the crew list for 1852. Please could anyone tell me more about her? Thankyou for your time and patience. Paul

Hello Clare, thank you so much for the detailed information you have very kindly sent. I very much appreciate your time and help. kind regardsJudith > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 06:10:38 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MAR] William and george MELLON > > > Hello > > William was the Master of the Saucy Lass, 90 tons, on April 7th 1861 > (census night). he was then aged 29, born Hull. His wife Lydia aged 24 was also > on board, born Mirfield, Yorkshire and Frank Field, aged 10, also born > Mirfield. I would suggest this might mean Frank is related to Lydia in some way, > maybe a younger brother or nephew. This should help you find more about > Lydia. I have been unable to find their marriage. > The following is a report in the Hull Packet and East Riding Times of > Friday March 9 1883 > > "On Wednesday the pilot-cutter no 7 came late Grimsby, having on board > William Mellon, 54, Humber Pilot, who was suffering from injuries to the head, > the result of having been struck by the winch handle on Tuesday morning. Mr > Mellon was at once taken to hospital. Upon examination it was found that > he was suffering from a severe fracture to the skull. The cutter could not > get into port earlier after the accident on account of the bad weather" > > George was born 27th Sept 1859 registered in the Sculcoates area of East > Yorkshire, you would get Lydia's maiden name from his birth certificate. He > married Annie Louisa Williamson in 1885. They had 4 children, of who 3 > daughters (Ada, Vera, Nora) survived. George died in Hull 6th Sept 1933, > leaving £4878.16.9, a considerable sum. His will might be interesting. > His Master's and Mates certificates are on ancestry.co.uk, together with > the names of some of the ships he served in up to then. > Norfolk (second mate) 1 year 2 months > La Plata 13 months with a gap > Surrey 2nd Mate 1 month, 1st Mate 14 months, Master's Certificate 17 Oct > 1884. The Surrey was 1057 tons, ON 65272 and was stranded on December 20, > 1884. She had been carrying a cargo of oats from Reval (now Tallinn, capital > of Estonia) to London when she was stranded at Vlieland, one of the West > Friesian islands belonging to Holland. She later broke up. I have been unable > to determine who was her Master at the time. > > > I'm trying to find some information on William Townend Mellon master > mariner who at his death in 1883 was >Humber pilot. Also on his son George > Robert Mellon also master mariner, both born in Hull. Any suggestions >on > where to look for records on this family, ships etc would be gratefully > received. > >regardsJudith > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone helpp with this query, please? Hi Ted, I can't seem to post to the list anymore so I was wondering if you could put the following on for me. I'm trying to find out the maritime history of Herbert Hill, who was a crewman on Elders and Fyffes ships (maybe!) in 1913 or so.

In 1839 - British brig "Catherine," 199 tons, Captain ___ Willie, departed Calcutta, departed from Saugor 6 May 1839 for Singapore, 6 Jun 1839 in Singapore (cargo opium, etc.) , and departed Singapore 14 June 1839 for Penang. 1840-1845 - British clipper brig "Kitty," 199 tons, Captain John Willie, agent Boustead & Co., places arrived at and departed from: Saugor, Singapore, China (?Hong Kong), Calcutta, Kedgeree, Penang, Macao, Rangoon, Moulmein. It looks like the brig Kitty might be an Opium Clipper. Please, was the Captain of the brig Catherine - John Willie - as can't find him in 1839? This is probably crazy, but I am wondering if the "brig Catherine," and the "brig Kitty" could possibly be the same ship, but had a name change (Kitty being a nickname of Catherine) to avoid confusion between the other British brig Catherine. Is there a list of Opium Clippers? .., 1839, 1840, ... - British brig Catherine, 125 tons, Captains Lee & Felix, agent Chinese, places arrived and departed from: Malacca, Penang, etc. Thank you, Celia

Sorry forgot to sign my long-winded answer Clare Oxford UK >Good morning to all, >I'm trying to find some information on William Townend Mellon master mariner who at his death in >1883 was Humber pilot. Also on his son George Robert Mellon also master mariner, both born in >Hull. Any suggestions on where to look for records on this family, ships etc would be gratefully >received. >egardsJudith ------------------------------

Hello William was the Master of the Saucy Lass, 90 tons, on April 7th 1861 (census night). he was then aged 29, born Hull. His wife Lydia aged 24 was also on board, born Mirfield, Yorkshire and Frank Field, aged 10, also born Mirfield. I would suggest this might mean Frank is related to Lydia in some way, maybe a younger brother or nephew. This should help you find more about Lydia. I have been unable to find their marriage. The following is a report in the Hull Packet and East Riding Times of Friday March 9 1883 "On Wednesday the pilot-cutter no 7 came late Grimsby, having on board William Mellon, 54, Humber Pilot, who was suffering from injuries to the head, the result of having been struck by the winch handle on Tuesday morning. Mr Mellon was at once taken to hospital. Upon examination it was found that he was suffering from a severe fracture to the skull. The cutter could not get into port earlier after the accident on account of the bad weather" George was born 27th Sept 1859 registered in the Sculcoates area of East Yorkshire, you would get Lydia's maiden name from his birth certificate. He married Annie Louisa Williamson in 1885. They had 4 children, of who 3 daughters (Ada, Vera, Nora) survived. George died in Hull 6th Sept 1933, leaving £4878.16.9, a considerable sum. His will might be interesting. His Master's and Mates certificates are on ancestry.co.uk, together with the names of some of the ships he served in up to then. Norfolk (second mate) 1 year 2 months La Plata 13 months with a gap Surrey 2nd Mate 1 month, 1st Mate 14 months, Master's Certificate 17 Oct 1884. The Surrey was 1057 tons, ON 65272 and was stranded on December 20, 1884. She had been carrying a cargo of oats from Reval (now Tallinn, capital of Estonia) to London when she was stranded at Vlieland, one of the West Friesian islands belonging to Holland. She later broke up. I have been unable to determine who was her Master at the time. > I'm trying to find some information on William Townend Mellon master mariner who at his death in 1883 was >Humber pilot. Also on his son George Robert Mellon also master mariner, both born in Hull. Any suggestions >on where to look for records on this family, ships etc would be gratefully received. >regardsJudith

Good morning to all, I'm trying to find some information on William Townend Mellon master mariner who at his death in 1883 was Humber pilot. Also on his son George Robert Mellon also master mariner, both born in Hull. Any suggestions on where to look for records on this family, ships etc would be gratefully received. regardsJudith

Hi Graham, Many thanks for your quick response. I hadn't realised the date of Waterloo as co-inciding with Frederick's retirement, but thanks for letting me know. regards Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Read" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Royal Navy career > To state the obvious, 1815 was the year of Waterloo, the end of the French > wars, and many many naval officers found themselves turfed out or on > half-pay at best as the fleet was largely laid up. Mr Thompson's age, > inclination and specific junior rank had very little to do with it. > > Regards > > Graham > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Paul and Valerie > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> I am trying to find out more about the naval career of my ancestor >> Frederick Thompson, Lieutenant in the Royal Navy born 1781 died 1833. >> >> I have a copy of his service record between 1803-1815. His rank on the >> first entry is A.B serving on the 'Argo' in the West Indies. I am >> puzzled >> by the different ranks or positions he held as there seems no particular >> order. After the first voyage there were another 12 ships listed with 14 >> voyages (twice on the same 2 ships). His ranks ranged from Midshipman, >> Acting Master, Masters Mate and Acting 2nd Master. These ranks were not >> in >> any particular order. None of the rank state Lieutenant, but he passed >> to >> Lieutenant at Sheerness 6th November 1811. This information I found at >> the >> National Archives, but it was a long time ago and I cannot remember which >> series this statement about passing to Lieutenant would have been. >> >> The age of 34 seems to be young to retire from the Navy unless he was >> wounded and I'm not sure where I might find this sort of information. >> >> The only documents I have about Frederick's career is his service record >> National Archives No. ADM 9/3 RP/0885. There is a number at the top of >> the >> document 4534 and wonder is anyone knows what this number signifies? The >> other document relating to his career is item ref: ADM 45/3/588 which >> states that; >> >> "Frederick Thompson Lieutenant who died 22 July 1833. Notes on executors >> application for money owed by the Royal Navy." >> >> Can anyone tell me if Frederick may have continued in the Royal Navy >> after 1815 when the last entry of a voyage was mentioned? >> >> I do have details of his wife and children, but very little about his >> life >> between 1815-1833 although I know he lived in Lambeth, Surrey from the >> entries of his children's baptisms. >> >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> kind regards >> Valerie Richards >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To state the obvious, 1815 was the year of Waterloo, the end of the French wars, and many many naval officers found themselves turfed out or on half-pay at best as the fleet was largely laid up. Mr Thompson's age, inclination and specific junior rank had very little to do with it. Regards Graham On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Paul and Valerie <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi List, > > I am trying to find out more about the naval career of my ancestor > Frederick Thompson, Lieutenant in the Royal Navy born 1781 died 1833. > > I have a copy of his service record between 1803-1815. His rank on the > first entry is A.B serving on the 'Argo' in the West Indies. I am puzzled > by the different ranks or positions he held as there seems no particular > order. After the first voyage there were another 12 ships listed with 14 > voyages (twice on the same 2 ships). His ranks ranged from Midshipman, > Acting Master, Masters Mate and Acting 2nd Master. These ranks were not in > any particular order. None of the rank state Lieutenant, but he passed to > Lieutenant at Sheerness 6th November 1811. This information I found at the > National Archives, but it was a long time ago and I cannot remember which > series this statement about passing to Lieutenant would have been. > > The age of 34 seems to be young to retire from the Navy unless he was > wounded and I'm not sure where I might find this sort of information. > > The only documents I have about Frederick's career is his service record > National Archives No. ADM 9/3 RP/0885. There is a number at the top of the > document 4534 and wonder is anyone knows what this number signifies? The > other document relating to his career is item ref: ADM 45/3/588 which > states that; > > "Frederick Thompson Lieutenant who died 22 July 1833. Notes on executors > application for money owed by the Royal Navy." > > Can anyone tell me if Frederick may have continued in the Royal Navy > after 1815 when the last entry of a voyage was mentioned? > > I do have details of his wife and children, but very little about his life > between 1815-1833 although I know he lived in Lambeth, Surrey from the > entries of his children's baptisms. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > kind regards > Valerie Richards > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, I am trying to find out more about the naval career of my ancestor Frederick Thompson, Lieutenant in the Royal Navy born 1781 died 1833. I have a copy of his service record between 1803-1815. His rank on the first entry is A.B serving on the 'Argo' in the West Indies. I am puzzled by the different ranks or positions he held as there seems no particular order. After the first voyage there were another 12 ships listed with 14 voyages (twice on the same 2 ships). His ranks ranged from Midshipman, Acting Master, Masters Mate and Acting 2nd Master. These ranks were not in any particular order. None of the rank state Lieutenant, but he passed to Lieutenant at Sheerness 6th November 1811. This information I found at the National Archives, but it was a long time ago and I cannot remember which series this statement about passing to Lieutenant would have been. The age of 34 seems to be young to retire from the Navy unless he was wounded and I'm not sure where I might find this sort of information. The only documents I have about Frederick's career is his service record National Archives No. ADM 9/3 RP/0885. There is a number at the top of the document 4534 and wonder is anyone knows what this number signifies? The other document relating to his career is item ref: ADM 45/3/588 which states that; "Frederick Thompson Lieutenant who died 22 July 1833. Notes on executors application for money owed by the Royal Navy." Can anyone tell me if Frederick may have continued in the Royal Navy after 1815 when the last entry of a voyage was mentioned? I do have details of his wife and children, but very little about his life between 1815-1833 although I know he lived in Lambeth, Surrey from the entries of his children's baptisms. Any help would be much appreciated. kind regards Valerie Richards

A bit more on the Astrid : <http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/10644428.Sunken_Tall_Ship_Astrid_could_be_saved_if_Irish_Coast_Guard_approve_plans/?ref=rss> But with Autumn / Fall not far off, and low pressure in the offing, I doubt they have much time left to ponder the options ? Paul PS I understand that for statistical purposes for the weather guys Autumn starts 1 Sep., but my understanding of the term it starts 21 Sep. although I note that some Almanacs use 22 Sep., which perhaps explains why the meteorologists use 1 Sep.

Bonjour Peter Thank you very much for your kind answer with this excellent website Cheers Yves -----Message d'origine----- From: Peter Klein Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] DAN BARON Bonjour Yves, Here you will find another picture of the Dan Baron, but perhaps you know of it? The Photoship website is well worth keeping an eye on, and is very well organised. The Soutra illustrated is a very much older vessel. http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20D/index2.html Kind regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: yves bertrand <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:54 Subject: [MAR] DAN BARON Bonjour les Amis I’m looking about a photo of DAN BARON drillship owned in 1980 by J.L. Offshore Drilling A/S – Copenhagen – Danmark built 1957 as PHILIPPE L.D. owner SA Louis Dreyfus & Cie – Dunkirk - France sold in 1974 to Salvesen Offshore Holding Ltd – London – UK renammed SOUTRA – London January 1976 renammed GULLANE – Leith July 1976 transferred to Salvesen Offshore Drilling Ltd. – London renammed DALKEITH – Rebuilt to a drillship December 1987 sold to Viking Offshore Consult A/S – Oslo – Norway 07-09-1988 sank after a gas explosion on a field in the Makassar Strait – Indonesia Anybody could help me? Cheers Yves from France ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message