It's me again   After Edward died 24 November 1782, his will gives no indication of what would happen to the ship after his death. There is also an Administration Bond for £400 against Edwards will with an Inventory of his worldly goods, but, I am having problems with Durham University delivering them.  He had a daughter only months old, his son was born 5 months after his death, so he would obviously not know about him. Any suggestions of finding the sale of the ship would help my research.    Michael 

 Edward Simmons was Master and owner of a Brig Collier "providence and Mary",  his death was reported in The Newcastle Courant 30 November 1782.  I would like to find how Edward died, I have been informed that he died at sea, but am unable to find any information in the local (North Shields; Newcastle Central; South Shields libraries or Woodhorn Archives).  Any suggestions of how I might find the information would be appreciated.   Michael

Hi Mick, A large site on Argentinian shipping at http://www.histarmar.com.ar/index.htm WWII in the South Atlantic at http://sixtant.net/site/ Brief history of Latin American Shipping at http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bmRTqFsaGEIC&pg=PA101&lpg=PA101&dq=brazilian+shipping+history&source=bl&ots=V9ToMHHHgA&sig=6oCPyugw3VvW2IwyAOtBpycz6AI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4jtIUp_BLuXX7Ab9hIDoAw&ved=0CIgBEOgBMAk4FA#v=onepage&q=brazilian%20shipping%20history&f=false There used to be a good site on Brazilian shipping, but it seems to have disappeared :-( David Asprey has a wide knowledge of this subject. regards Ted On 29/09/2013 15:07, Mick O Rourke wrote: > Hi Listers > > I am doing some research on South American maritime history. > Could any one point me in the direction of forums or maritime web sites from > S America particularly Brazil and Argentina. > Language is not a problem. > > Thanks > > Mick O'Rourke > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers I am doing some research on South American maritime history. Could any one point me in the direction of forums or maritime web sites from S America particularly Brazil and Argentina. Language is not a problem. Thanks Mick O'Rourke

Hi Judith Not really the remit of this list as a passenger but for deaths at sea, there is a separate GRO index for same Much would depend upon where they died and whether the Captain reported it as he should have done (they should have in 1956, much earlier many were missed) They are available on findmypast (pay per view or subscriber) and also free on http://www.familyrelatives.com You need to register but not give cc details I had a quick look at the marine deaths and did not find a FREEMAN death in 1956, one in 1957 a John W age 49 ships name Chandler So how good is the information of a death on the Queen Mary in 1956? There are also consular returns, again some available on the above, in theory if at sea on a British Ship they should be registered in the marine returns but could they have been a passenger but died ashore? I would check all to see what if anything turns up Did they leave a will (ie are they recorded in the probate calendars on Ancestry?) There are 15 FREEMANs as passengers of the Queen Mary in 1956, have you checked those passenger lists? there should be a page for such events to be recorded and the Captain to sign, not all are available online but worth checking for I would say Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2013 11:10, judith kennerdale wrote: > Good morning, can anyone tell me how I go about finding a death at sea (passenger named Freeman) Queen Mary c1956 please. Have tried all the usual search sites. > Many thanksJudith

Apologies for posting this on this list, but thanks for the tips Nivard. > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:57:57 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] death at sea, passenger > > Hi Judith > > Not really the remit of this list as a passenger but for deaths at sea, > there is a separate GRO index for same > > Much would depend upon where they died and whether the Captain reported > it as he should have done (they should have in 1956, much earlier many > were missed) > > They are available on findmypast (pay per view or subscriber) and also > free on http://www.familyrelatives.com > > You need to register but not give cc details > > I had a quick look at the marine deaths and did not find a FREEMAN death > in 1956, one in 1957 a John W age 49 ships name Chandler > > So how good is the information of a death on the Queen Mary in 1956? > > There are also consular returns, again some available on the above, in > theory if at sea on a British Ship they should be registered in the > marine returns but could they have been a passenger but died ashore? > > I would check all to see what if anything turns up > > Did they leave a will (ie are they recorded in the probate calendars on > Ancestry?) > > There are 15 FREEMANs as passengers of the Queen Mary in 1956, have you > checked those passenger lists? there should be a page for such events to > be recorded and the Captain to sign, not all are available online but > worth checking for I would say > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 29/09/2013 11:10, judith kennerdale wrote: > > Good morning, can anyone tell me how I go about finding a death at sea (passenger named Freeman) Queen Mary c1956 please. Have tried all the usual search sites. > > Many thanksJudith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The East India Company ship ASIA (1780-1798) departed Portsmouth on 12th April, 1796 for Madras and was at Simon’s Bay (South Africa) by 21st July. She was in eastern waters until the end of 1797. The 3rd Rate ship of the line ASIA (1764) of 64 guns was on the North American station from August, 1796. She could have been in the Caribbean in that year. -----Original Message----- From: ScienceSources Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013 5:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAR] Asia - HMS and/or East Indiaman? Hello Listers, Is it possible or likely that in 1796 there were two British ships called Asia, one a Royal Navy ship and one an East Indiaman? And both in the Caribbean in that year? I have two brothers, both serving on the "Asia" in 1796, but one was in the RN and the other refers to his ship as an East Indiaman. Any advice welcome! Thanks, Gill Langley

Hello Gill, Further to what Peter Beeston had to say, Charles Hardy's Register of Ships of the United East India Company 1760-1810 (published 1811, p.174) says as follows: SEASON 1795-1796.  ASIA, 816 Tons, 6 Voyage. COAST AND BAY.  (Thomas Newte, Esq.). Capt. John Davy Foulkes. 1  William Dunsford 2  Thomas Mortimer 3  John Yarde Fownes 4  Henry Barnes Sur. Benjamin Johnson Pur. Peter Grant Sailed Ports[mouth] 12 Apr. 1796 Moorings 22 Oct. 1796 Foulkes and the ASIA appear to have first been sworn in 1784, and this was now their 6th voyage for the Company..  You don't tell us the names of the brothers, but perhaps a name or two here might be familiar to you? Regards, Peter Klein   ________________________________ From: ScienceSources <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2013, 20:27 Subject: [MAR] Asia - HMS and/or East Indiaman? Hello Listers, Is it possible or likely that in 1796 there were two British ships called Asia, one a Royal Navy ship and one an East Indiaman? And both in the Caribbean in that year? I have two brothers, both serving on the "Asia" in 1796, but one was in the RN and the other refers to his ship as an East Indiaman. Any advice welcome! Thanks, Gill Langley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning, can anyone tell me how I go about finding a death at sea (passenger named Freeman) Queen Mary c1956 please. Have tried all the usual search sites. Many thanksJudith

Dear all, > > >Is anyone here familiar with this file? I'm getting dizzy from going round in circles trying to establish the correct piece, out of 618 pieces, on which to request a quote to get details of a specific change of ownership. > > >The vessel is the snow BRITANNIA, built Biddeford 1810, 189 tons and 41/94ths,  engaged in the Newcastle-London coal trade. > > >In 1825 she was # 129 in the register of the port of London. She had three masters that year. I believe that the third master bought her late in 1825 or very early in 1826. (Certainly she was owned by that master and his Shields associates by 1827.) In 1826 she was #160 (or possibly #168 - the last digit is very faint) on the registry of the port of Newcastle. > > >Where should I look for the transaction - London or Newcastle? > > > >The problem is that the sub-series "London Coasting" goes up to 1820 only. > > >There is a sub-series called "Northern Ports" and in it BT 107/146 is Ports "N" for 1825, but there is not a listing for 1826. > > >The sub-series "England and Wales" does cover 1826 and in it BT 107/185 is Ports I-L and BT 107/186 is Ports M-N. > > > >None of the other sub-series appear to be appropriate. > > >Can anyone help? > > >Regards, >Adi

Hi, Mick http://www.userway.com/argentina/transporte/marina/marina_mercante.htm www.histarmar.com Héctor ________________________________ De: Mick O Rourke <[email protected]> Para: [email protected] Enviado: domingo, 29 de septiembre de 2013 11:07 Asunto: [MAR] South American Maritime History. Hi Listers I am doing some research on South American maritime history. Could any one point me in the direction of forums or maritime web sites from S America particularly Brazil and Argentina. Language is not a problem. Thanks Mick O'Rourke ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gill >From the few notes I've made for HMS Asia 1764-1804, it looks as though she was serving in the West Indies, during the early years of the Revolutionary War against France, which evolved into the Napoleonic Wars 1794-1800 : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/A/00352b.html but whether she was on that station all the time I can't confirm. Regret am unable to help with East Indiaman, although whilst a true East Indiamen sometimes called at ports on the Atlantic coast of South America whilst proceeding to and from the East Indies, I doubt they would normally operate in the West Indies, unless perhaps this was a vessel which had been hired by the War Department to carry troops and stores etc. in the West Indies, where many merchant vessels were used to provide support services to the Fleet and Army, when they made their various forays against French Islands in the West Indies as described here when the Fleet, including Asia, visited Martinique in 1794 : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval_History/Vol_I/P_216.html Some Islands exchanged hands several times over the 20 years of war, which covered the period 1793-1815, less a year or two circa 1801-3, and 1814-15. Regarding the Asia, should you be interested some Captains' and Masters' Logs for HMS Asia survive, which detail where she went, often with other data, along with Muster and Pay Lists, which list the ship's company for Pay and Victualling purposes etc. A search of the London Gazette may also produce additional info with respect to what the Asia was doing during the period in question, eg as noted regarding the prize money paid in 1800. Regards Paul On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:27:37 +0100, "ScienceSources" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hello Listers, > >Is it possible or likely that in 1796 there were two British ships called Asia, one a Royal Navy ship and one an East Indiaman? And both in the Caribbean in that year? > >I have two brothers, both serving on the "Asia" in 1796, but one was in the RN and the other refers to his ship as an East Indiaman. > >Any advice welcome! > >Thanks, > >Gill Langley > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Listers, Is it possible or likely that in 1796 there were two British ships called Asia, one a Royal Navy ship and one an East Indiaman? And both in the Caribbean in that year? I have two brothers, both serving on the "Asia" in 1796, but one was in the RN and the other refers to his ship as an East Indiaman. Any advice welcome! Thanks, Gill Langley

News item of general interest: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24272336 Ron Mapplebeck (UK)

Hi to the list,   I have just sent an e-mail to Tim Latham at the address Paul gives but it has been returned.   I don't give up easily so will post any results!!   Regards,   Jean Spencer ________________________________ From: Paul Benyon <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013, 23:51 Subject: Re: [MAR] Paul's list Hi to List Have written to Jean off-list, to the effect that the web site owner of mightyseas.co.uk is or was a list member, per the list archives for 2012 ?  But that in the interim she might like to try the web site's archives which appear to have been collected by the WayBack machine : http://archive.org/details/texts which have produced the following example for 2012 http://web.archive.org/web/20120415000418/http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/marhist/furness/furness_index.htm but they go back to 2003, so I have no idea how complete the archives may be.....i.e. I get the feeling that some web sites may be far from complete.....? but they often visited a website several times a year, whether there had been any updates or not. To find more examples in put the site address : http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/ into the search box and select the WayBack Machine in the adjacent options box and search.  Once you are on the results page, click the graph, say for 2006 and this will produce a calendar with the dates the site was visited ....click on the date for the results for that visit......hope that makes sense. Regards Paul On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:19:08 +0100 (BST), JEAN SPENCER <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi Paul, >  >Would you know anything about a web-site Through Mighty Seas?  I can no longer access it.  My IDDON ancestors were virtually all masters of Barrow schooners mainly connected with a James Fisher's company. >  >Regards, >  >Jean Spencer >  > > >________________________________ > From: Paul Benyon <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013, 10:44 >Subject: Re: [MAR] Paul's list >  > >Thanks Clare, > >Yes, using BT-124-23, the London Gazette, Navy Lists, the National >Archives catalogue and an occasional Google when I had problems >attempting to identify someone,... or when there appeared to be more >to a career than just a few dates etc. e.g. a few of the officers, >apart from qualifying as Masters, also went on to qualify as pilots >before WWI, often paying for the honour out of their own pockets, and >eventually transferred to the R.A.F. on 1 Apr 1918, one or two went on >to become senior officers in the R.A.F. > >Regards > >Paul > >On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:58:52 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] >wrote: > >> >>Paul >> >>What a fantastic resource for those lucky enough to have ancestors in the  >>list - did you compile it? >> >>Clare >> >> >>>http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Nbd/MN_Masters_for_RN_Officers.html#top >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul, Wonderful, puts me to shame for my contribution to maritime history. Please keep up the hard work. Rod At 08:00 25/09/2013, you wrote: >Thanks Clare, > >Yes, using BT-124-23, the London Gazette, Navy Lists, the National >Archives catalogue and an occasional Google when I had problems >attempting to identify someone,... or when there appeared to be more >to a career than just a few dates etc. e.g. a few of the officers, >apart from qualifying as Masters, also went on to qualify as pilots >before WWI, often paying for the honour out of their own pockets, and >eventually transferred to the R.A.F. on 1 Apr 1918, one or two went on >to become senior officers in the R.A.F. > >Regards > >Paul RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org

I wonder if anyone on the list has contact with Tim Latham, of the Mighty Seas web site. Tim's web site has been down for a few weeks and I would like to get in contact with him. E-mail addresses with @mightyseas.co.uk are no longer functional . Mick O'Rourke Mariners List

Hi to List Have written to Jean off-list, to the effect that the web site owner of mightyseas.co.uk is or was a list member, per the list archives for 2012 ? But that in the interim she might like to try the web site's archives which appear to have been collected by the WayBack machine : http://archive.org/details/texts which have produced the following example for 2012 http://web.archive.org/web/20120415000418/http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/marhist/furness/furness_index.htm but they go back to 2003, so I have no idea how complete the archives may be.....i.e. I get the feeling that some web sites may be far from complete.....? but they often visited a website several times a year, whether there had been any updates or not. To find more examples in put the site address : http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/ into the search box and select the WayBack Machine in the adjacent options box and search. Once you are on the results page, click the graph, say for 2006 and this will produce a calendar with the dates the site was visited ....click on the date for the results for that visit......hope that makes sense. Regards Paul On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:19:08 +0100 (BST), JEAN SPENCER <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi Paul, >  >Would you know anything about a web-site Through Mighty Seas?  I can no longer access it.  My IDDON ancestors were virtually all masters of Barrow schooners mainly connected with a James Fisher's company. >  >Regards, >  >Jean Spencer >  > > >________________________________ > From: Paul Benyon <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013, 10:44 >Subject: Re: [MAR] Paul's list > > >Thanks Clare, > >Yes, using BT-124-23, the London Gazette, Navy Lists, the National >Archives catalogue and an occasional Google when I had problems >attempting to identify someone,... or when there appeared to be more >to a career than just a few dates etc. e.g. a few of the officers, >apart from qualifying as Masters, also went on to qualify as pilots >before WWI, often paying for the honour out of their own pockets, and >eventually transferred to the R.A.F. on 1 Apr 1918, one or two went on >to become senior officers in the R.A.F. > >Regards > >Paul > >On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:58:52 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] >wrote: > >> >>Paul >> >>What a fantastic resource for those lucky enough to have ancestors in the  >>list - did you compile it? >> >>Clare >> >> >>>http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Nbd/MN_Masters_for_RN_Officers.html#top >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Paul,   Would you know anything about a web-site Through Mighty Seas?  I can no longer access it.  My IDDON ancestors were virtually all masters of Barrow schooners mainly connected with a James Fisher's company.   Regards,   Jean Spencer   ________________________________ From: Paul Benyon <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013, 10:44 Subject: Re: [MAR] Paul's list Thanks Clare, Yes, using BT-124-23, the London Gazette, Navy Lists, the National Archives catalogue and an occasional Google when I had problems attempting to identify someone,... or when there appeared to be more to a career than just a few dates etc. e.g. a few of the officers, apart from qualifying as Masters, also went on to qualify as pilots before WWI, often paying for the honour out of their own pockets, and eventually transferred to the R.A.F. on 1 Apr 1918, one or two went on to become senior officers in the R.A.F. Regards Paul On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:58:52 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] wrote: > >Paul > >What a fantastic resource for those lucky enough to have ancestors in the  >list - did you compile it? > >Clare > > >>http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Nbd/MN_Masters_for_RN_Officers.html#top > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Clare, Yes, using BT-124-23, the London Gazette, Navy Lists, the National Archives catalogue and an occasional Google when I had problems attempting to identify someone,... or when there appeared to be more to a career than just a few dates etc. e.g. a few of the officers, apart from qualifying as Masters, also went on to qualify as pilots before WWI, often paying for the honour out of their own pockets, and eventually transferred to the R.A.F. on 1 Apr 1918, one or two went on to become senior officers in the R.A.F. Regards Paul On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:58:52 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] wrote: > >Paul > >What a fantastic resource for those lucky enough to have ancestors in the >list - did you compile it? > >Clare > > >>http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Nbd/MN_Masters_for_RN_Officers.html#top > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html