Hi Everyone, You may remember over the years I've tried on these esteemed pages to extract information on the above ship, that my great-grandfather Robert Henry Laws (1828-1891) commanded between 1873 and 1881. Last week my wife and I were watching a re-run of BBC's Bargain Hunt and when Tim Wannacott was talking to the Auctioneer at Goldings Auction Rooms of Market Harborough in Northamptonshire I spotted the portrait of this ship (painted by Frederick Tudjay in 1872) that I last saw hanging on the wall in my Great Aunts house at Fowey in Cornwall. When I was there after her death (I was executor to her estate) it was glaringly missing. We always thought it had been removed by her son, from whom she was estranged, he did not attend the funeral, and sadly both he and his wife have since died. The programme was first screened November 2012, I have been in touch with both the BBC and with the Auction Rooms without success. Can anyone advise how I go forward in recovering it to the Laws Family where it belongs. John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History Member of GOONS (www.one-name.org) Email:- [email protected] Post:- 131a High Street, North Berwick, East Lothian, Scotland EH39 4HB

I hope this is not against policy, but I have a (non-collectable but Ok) copy of "Queens of the Western Ocean" by Carl C. Cutler I'd like to get rid of. I got it only to ID the part of Walt Whitman's poetry that refers to the rescue from the San Francisco by the Three Bells. As Whitman gives no names of ships or men, I'd have had to read his whole output! Not even the Bodleian has a copy. A subtitle of the book is "The story of America's mail and passenger sailing lines". It has illustrations (would it be good to make a note of these for the list?) and lists of ships belonging to different lines. The postage would be quite a lot, it's a heavy book. Please send private mail if you're interested. Clare Oxford UK

On the site of Spanish Libraries there is a Library that has a collection of the Spanish Lloyd's Gazette, from about 1861 to 1868, and also several Military & Naval gazettes. Alex -----Messaggio originale----- From: Mick O Rourke Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 321 Thanks Chris My interest was mostly in old shipping registers, but I have been told on the Histomar yahoo group that non exist for Latin American countries, so a dead end for now. Mick O'Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Maxworthy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 321 > hi Mick > > You could also try the Spanish based maritime history forum that > translates > to "all to port".. http://www.todoababor.es > Not too much on Brazil but good coverage of Spanish speaking americas. > cheers > Chris > > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:36:11 +0100 > >> From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [MAR] South American Maritime History. >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Thanks Ted And Hector >> I have signed up to the Histomar yahoo group, I should find what I need >> there. >> >> Mick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:07 PM >> Subject: [MAR] South American Maritime History. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Alex Do you have a link ?. Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 321 > On the site of Spanish Libraries there is a Library that has a collection > of > the Spanish Lloyd's Gazette, from about 1861 to 1868, and also several > Military & Naval gazettes. > Alex > > -----Messaggio originale----- > From: Mick O Rourke > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 321 > > Thanks Chris > > My interest was mostly in old shipping registers, but I have been told on > the Histomar yahoo group that non exist for Latin American countries, so > a > dead end for now. > > Mick O'Rourke > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Maxworthy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 321 > > >> hi Mick >> >> You could also try the Spanish based maritime history forum that >> translates >> to "all to port".. http://www.todoababor.es >> Not too much on Brazil but good coverage of Spanish speaking americas. >> cheers >> Chris >> >> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:36:11 +0100 >> >>> From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [MAR] South American Maritime History. >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Thanks Ted And Hector >>> I have signed up to the Histomar yahoo group, I should find what I need >>> there. >>> >>> Mick >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:07 PM >>> Subject: [MAR] South American Maritime History. >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Piers Many thanks for checking. I've sent your reply on to my cousin in NZ who was asking in the first place. She'll be delighted. Cheers Pam -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Piers Smith-Cresswell Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013 6:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] (no subject) Hi Pam A pdf is fine. These rather flamboyant scripts can be pretty difficult! I'm sure it Is OS - ordinary seaman - the 'S' in "Sailmaker" is similar. Being an OS is consistent with his age too. It is a bit odd how he got himself so high up the list, as it were, but maybe he was just near the front of the queue.... Cheers Piers Sent from my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mighty Seas is back with a temp address. http://mightyseas.perso.sfr.fr/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:17 AM Subject: [MAR] mightyseas.co.uk >I wonder if anyone on the list has contact with Tim Latham, of the Mighty > Seas web site. > Tim's web site has been down for a few weeks and I would like to get in > contact with him. > E-mail addresses with @mightyseas.co.uk are no longer functional . > > Mick O'Rourke > > > Mariners List > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam A pdf is fine. These rather flamboyant scripts can be pretty difficult! I'm sure it Is OS - ordinary seaman - the 'S' in "Sailmaker" is similar. Being an OS is consistent with his age too. It is a bit odd how he got himself so high up the list, as it were, but maybe he was just near the front of the queue.... Cheers Piers Sent from my iPad

Greetings Jean Good to hear from you - yes, it is Frederick Henry. I've attached the scan Helen sent me - don't know how to change it from .pdf (which I DON'T like!) See what you make of it. Love Pam -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JEAN SPENCER Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013 10:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] (no subject) Hi Pam,   Greetings!  You probably didn't expect a response from me!  I'm on the Mariners List as well!   Having quite a "few" sailors in the family - IDDONS as well as DANIELS - have never come across O.I. but have frequently seen O.S. Ordinary Seaman.  I take it is Frederick Henry we are talking about!   Be in touch.   Jean ________________________________ From: PMR <[email protected]> To: MARINERS Mailing List <[email protected]> Cc: THE SHIPS LIST <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013, 8:07 Subject: [MAR] (no subject) Greetings Listers             A cousin and I are stumped by the letters describing the occupation of a sailor in the family. It was found on Ancestry as a scan of a hand-written document of about 1860-1862.             The sailor is F H Daniel, aged 21. His occupation looks to be either O I  or maybe Q I. The entry above his was for the cook and the one below for the sailmaker - not sure if these are relevant to his place in the pecking order.             I can send a scanned copy of the document to anyone who would like a look at it.             Help would  be greatly appreciated.             Many thanks.             Pam             Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Piers Many thanks for your reply and interest. Scan is attached. Sorry it is .pdf - that's how it was sent to me and I don't know how to make it anything else! Cheers Pam -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Piers Smith-Cresswell Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013 11:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] (no subject) Hi Pam Send me a copy of the scan and I'll take a look. I suspect it is OS but it would be odd to have an OS listed between two petty officers unless whatever it is is just listing the names alphabetically. Cheers Piers On 3 October 2013 08:07, PMR <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings Listers > > A cousin and I are stumped by the letters describing the > occupation of a sailor in the family. It was found on Ancestry as a > scan of a hand-written document of about 1860-1862. > > The sailor is F H Daniel, aged 21. His occupation looks to > be either O I or maybe Q I. The entry above his was for the cook and > the one below for the sailmaker - not sure if these are relevant to > his place in the pecking order. > > I can send a scanned copy of the document to anyone who > would like a look at it. > > Help would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks. > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good news, Mick.  Many thanks. Best, PK ________________________________ From: Mick O Rourke <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013, 13:57 Subject: Re: [MAR] mightyseas.co.uk I have had contact from Tim Latham and the Mighty Seas site will be back, just down for a revamp. Mick O'Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:17 AM Subject: [MAR] mightyseas.co.uk >I wonder if anyone on the list has contact with Tim Latham, of the Mighty > Seas web site. > Tim's web site has been down for a few weeks and I would like to get in > contact with him. > E-mail addresses with @mightyseas.co.uk are no longer functional . > > Mick O'Rourke > > > Mariners List > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Listers A cousin and I are stumped by the letters describing the occupation of a sailor in the family. It was found on Ancestry as a scan of a hand-written document of about 1860-1862. The sailor is F H Daniel, aged 21. His occupation looks to be either O I or maybe Q I. The entry above his was for the cook and the one below for the sailmaker - not sure if these are relevant to his place in the pecking order. I can send a scanned copy of the document to anyone who would like a look at it. Help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hi Pam Send me a copy of the scan and I'll take a look. I suspect it is OS but it would be odd to have an OS listed between two petty officers unless whatever it is is just listing the names alphabetically. Cheers Piers On 3 October 2013 08:07, PMR <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings Listers > > A cousin and I are stumped by the letters describing the > occupation of a sailor in the family. It was found on Ancestry as a scan of > a hand-written document of about 1860-1862. > > The sailor is F H Daniel, aged 21. His occupation looks to be > either O I or maybe Q I. The entry above his was for the cook and the one > below for the sailmaker - not sure if these are relevant to his place in > the > pecking order. > > I can send a scanned copy of the document to anyone who would > like a look at it. > > Help would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks. > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have had contact from Tim Latham and the Mighty Seas site will be back, just down for a revamp. Mick O'Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:17 AM Subject: [MAR] mightyseas.co.uk >I wonder if anyone on the list has contact with Tim Latham, of the Mighty > Seas web site. > Tim's web site has been down for a few weeks and I would like to get in > contact with him. > E-mail addresses with @mightyseas.co.uk are no longer functional . > > Mick O'Rourke > > > Mariners List > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam,   Greetings!  You probably didn't expect a response from me!  I'm on the Mariners List as well!   Having quite a "few" sailors in the family - IDDONS as well as DANIELS - have never come across O.I. but have frequently seen O.S. Ordinary Seaman.  I take it is Frederick Henry we are talking about!   Be in touch.   Jean ________________________________ From: PMR <[email protected]> To: MARINERS Mailing List <[email protected]> Cc: THE SHIPS LIST <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013, 8:07 Subject: [MAR] (no subject) Greetings Listers             A cousin and I are stumped by the letters describing the occupation of a sailor in the family. It was found on Ancestry as a scan of a hand-written document of about 1860-1862.             The sailor is F H Daniel, aged 21. His occupation looks to be either O I  or maybe Q I. The entry above his was for the cook and the one below for the sailmaker - not sure if these are relevant to his place in the pecking order.             I can send a scanned copy of the document to anyone who would like a look at it.             Help would  be greatly appreciated.             Many thanks.             Pam             Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lisa A Capt Hamilton was in command of the Revenue Cutter Prince William Henry circa May 1806, per the "the Scots Magazine and Edinburgh Literary Miscellany," available in Google Books, when attending the funeral of the Duke of Argyll. And I note that there was an English Revenue Cutter named Hamilton in the 19th Century, if not 2, per King's Cutters and Smugglers 1700-1855, by E. Keble Chatterton : http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17563/17563-h/17563-h.htm There used to be an excellent web site that dealt with the various British Revenue Services, but I don't seem to be able to find it at the moment. Regards Paul On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:59:29 -0500, LISA WISNIEWSKI <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi all, > >I have a marriage certificate for my 4xgGrandfather from Wigtownshire, Scotland in 1795 that reads - > >John McWilliam, Mariner, in the ?Border? Revenue Cutter Capt Hamilton and Grissal Kelly daughter to John Kelly in South Milson? were legally proclaimed before the Congregation in order to marriage and no objections being made to the contrary they were accordingly married at Village by Mr Learmont? Twenty Sixth February 1795. > >I am trying to find more information on his occupation and wondering how to find out if Capt. Hamilton is the name of the vessel or the Captain of the ship? The document is a little difficult to read in places but I believe it is 'Border' Revenue Cutter. If anyone could help with information or any places to look for information that would be great - I would appreciate any information you can offer! > >Thanks, >Lisa Wisniewski > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Thanks Chris My interest was mostly in old shipping registers, but I have been told on the Histomar yahoo group that non exist for Latin American countries, so a dead end for now. Mick O'Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Maxworthy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 321 > hi Mick > > You could also try the Spanish based maritime history forum that > translates > to "all to port".. http://www.todoababor.es > Not too much on Brazil but good coverage of Spanish speaking americas. > cheers > Chris > > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:36:11 +0100 > >> From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [MAR] South American Maritime History. >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Thanks Ted And Hector >> I have signed up to the Histomar yahoo group, I should find what I need >> there. >> >> Mick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:07 PM >> Subject: [MAR] South American Maritime History. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi Mick You could also try the Spanish based maritime history forum that translates to "all to port".. http://www.todoababor.es Not too much on Brazil but good coverage of Spanish speaking americas. cheers Chris Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:36:11 +0100 > From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] South American Maritime History. > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks Ted And Hector > I have signed up to the Histomar yahoo group, I should find what I need > there. > > Mick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:07 PM > Subject: [MAR] South American Maritime History. > >

Dear Peter, Paul and Peter, Thanks so much for your excellent help with this topic. Your three replies beautifully complemented each other and have allowed me to form a clear picture of which brother was on which Asia, and where! Although Peter Klein's list of some Asia Indiaman crew members didn't include my ancestor John Trounsell, remarkably it did include the witness to John's Will: Sur. Benjamin Johnson! Thanks all, Gill (Langley)

Hi all, I have a marriage certificate for my 4xgGrandfather from Wigtownshire, Scotland in 1795 that reads - John McWilliam, Mariner, in the ?Border? Revenue Cutter Capt Hamilton and Grissal Kelly daughter to John Kelly in South Milson? were legally proclaimed before the Congregation in order to marriage and no objections being made to the contrary they were accordingly married at Village by Mr Learmont? Twenty Sixth February 1795. I am trying to find more information on his occupation and wondering how to find out if Capt. Hamilton is the name of the vessel or the Captain of the ship? The document is a little difficult to read in places but I believe it is 'Border' Revenue Cutter. If anyone could help with information or any places to look for information that would be great - I would appreciate any information you can offer! Thanks, Lisa Wisniewski

Thanks Ted And Hector I have signed up to the Histomar yahoo group, I should find what I need there. Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: [MAR] South American Maritime History. > Hi Listers > > I am doing some research on South American maritime history. > Could any one point me in the direction of forums or maritime web sites > from > S America particularly Brazil and Argentina. > Language is not a problem. > > Thanks > > Mick O'Rourke > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message