I am trying to research Thomas McCarthy born in Aghada, Co. Cork Ireland in 1882 was a Leading Seaman in the Royal Navy in the 1911 Census – I understand he subsequently joined the Australian Navy but I cannot locate any records. If any one has any suggestions of where I can look next. Deirdre McCarthy

Hello Listers Please can anybody help me decipher the remarks for Daniel McMillan on his entry for his engineers certificate? 2E "Queensland" 97530 1/1/05 and 28&29/3/05. Drunkenness. Case dismissed by local marine Bd. Inquiry held at Hull on the ground that he was not serving on board the ship on the 28&29/3/05. M? 7544/05. Os? 15.4.05. GR170 Engl &L 2E Pencisely 136983 F to J 2/1/29 Name Daniel McMillan; Certificate No: 30780; Grade 2C 27.2.95 Cardiff; Born Greenock; Year 1872: Daniel was more likely born in 1863, but his birth date fluctuates. One issue is "Pencisely" ship number is 129124 not 136983 which is "Andree" Similarly Daniel certainly served on 97539 (note similarity to 97530) T G Hutton I have a list of ships Daniel served on from 1922 to 1929, previously discussed on this forum, and he was serving on the Andree 7.9.1928 then on Harlyn 123704 1.11.1929 I understand the charge of drunkenness and the dates but don't understand from M? Onwards. The M if it is an M is a very jagged looking letter whereas the other writing is lovely running writing. I would be grateful for any help. Thank you in advance. Teri Comans Researching Angove, Comans, English, Horsey, Mortimer, Patrick, Ramsay, Shiers, Travers I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

Perhaps 'M' is the Master who reported it to the Local Marine Board. Is 7544/05 a Masters certificate number? Perhaps O is the date the 'Outcome' ie decision was made. If not, please excuse my ignorance! Dawn >________________________________ > From: Teri Comans <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 10:01 >Subject: [MAR] Daniel Mc Millan engineers certificate > > >Hello Listers > >Please can anybody help me decipher the remarks for Daniel McMillan on his >entry for his engineers certificate? > >2E "Queensland" 97530 >1/1/05 and 28&29/3/05. Drunkenness. Case dismissed by local marine Bd. >Inquiry held at Hull on the ground that he was not serving on board the ship >on the 28&29/3/05. M? 7544/05. Os? 15.4.05. GR170 Engl &L 2E Pencisely >136983 F to J 2/1/29 > >Name Daniel McMillan;     Certificate No: 30780;    Grade 2C 27.2.95 Cardiff; >Born Greenock;    Year 1872: > >Daniel was more likely born in 1863, but his birth date fluctuates. >One issue is "Pencisely" ship number is 129124 not 136983 which is "Andree" >Similarly Daniel certainly served on 97539 (note similarity to 97530) T G >Hutton >I have a list of ships Daniel served on from 1922 to 1929, previously >discussed on this forum, and he was serving on the Andree 7.9.1928 then on >Harlyn 123704 1.11.1929 > >I understand the charge of drunkenness and the dates but don't understand >from M? Onwards. The M if it is an M is a very jagged looking letter whereas >the other writing is lovely running writing. > >I would be grateful for any help. Thank you in advance. > >Teri Comans >Researching Angove, Comans, English, Horsey, Mortimer, Patrick, Ramsay, >Shiers, Travers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. >It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Looking for any information concerning the Sea Fearing Family of Furlong’s from Arklow, Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Looking for suggestions on how to add to the following: 1784 - William Furlong owner and master of a smack (fishing vessel) called “Margaret” she was 33 reg. tons in 1784 1813 Denis Furlong (owner and master of Schooner called Hitch 1813) Laurence Furlong born 1802 - Captain Laurence Furlong – at one time he owned 3 Schooners. The following is a list of boats owned by the Furlong Family over 100 years. 1. 1839 “Aurora” a sloop – 30 tons .(shared ownership Laurence Furlong with Michael Condren). 2. 1856 “Johanna Eliza Furlong” schooner 52 tons (owner Laurence Furlong). 3. 1863 “ St. Peter” registered 39 reg. tons no information. 4. 1866 “ Genet” registered in 1866. 91 reg owners Captains Laurence & Peter Furlong 5. 1869 “L Furlong” built in Arklow reg owner Captain Peter Furlong it was wrecked at Carne Wexford October 1900 going from Swansea to New Ross. 6. 1870 “Topaz” (Brigantine) Large Schooner built on Prince Edward Island Canada in 1870. She was 204 tons reg owner Peter Furlong 7. 1889 Schooner “Claudia” reg. owner Captain Peter Furlong 8. 1920 “Tarragona” built in Whitehaven in 1863 - 145 tons sold by Captain Joe Furlong in 1920. 9. 1920 “Mary Miller” 119 tons built in Carrickfergus in 1881 sold in 1934 following death of Captain Joe Furlong. Captain Peter Furlong - Peter Furlong and his son Laurence Furlong were lost at sea off the West Coast of Ireland in the Great Gale of 6th October 1889 Laurence was only 17. One of the other sons hid under the bed and would not go with them on the journey. They were on the Schooner Claudia owned by Peter Furlong they were sailing to Limerick with a cargo for the first time. They had purchased the ship shortly before that in Belfast. Peter Furlong (Jnr) –was born on the 22nd May 1878 >From 1892 to 1894 he served on the Brigantine Topaz as a boy. >From 1894 to 1899 he served as a Master on the Schooner L. Furlong >From 1900 to 1902 he served as a Master on the Schooner Frs. Jane. >From 1903 to 1903 on the Steam Engine Boat called Oak Branch. 1906 From 1914 to 1917 he was Master of the Ship City of Swansea which was torpedoed. He was Master of the SS Echo from 1918 to 1923 when it collided with another steamer on the 26th February 1923 in the North Sea. He was Master of SS INO.Peter died in Bristol on the 9th January 1927.

Thanks for all the snippets and suggestions. I think he was probably older than he claimed on his maters certificate. His likely father was a farm labourer so maybe he saw the opportunities of going to sea as a better option. By my reckoning he was about 10 years older than he claimed, so wandering further down the coast for employment was probably an option. The other children born to his likely parents Andrew Gowans and Ellisan(Alison) Peaty were all christened in Crail. They all appeared to have remained land lubbers. Gillian

Checked the books: Windjammers and Sea Trams by Walter Runciman Chapter 3 A Cabin Boy's Start at Sea "Swarms of Scotch and Norfolk boys were attracted to the Northumberland ports by the higher rate of wages. Many of them had to tramp it all the long way from home, and quite a large number of them became important factors in the shipping trade of the district" He then spends a page describing the often poor condition they often arrived in and how is mother would often care for them if they passed his house In "Collier Brigs and their Sailors" Chapter 7 is devoted to "Big Andrew" a scot who came Lerwick in the Shetlands to work out of Blyth Chapter 16 is called "Strangers" Here he describes in a couple of pages how various incomers to Blyth were regarded. Scots were known as "Scotch Alecs" Gavin On 13/10/2013 22:23, Gavin McLelland wrote: > I've read a couple of Walter Runcimans books about sailing on the East > coast during the mid 19th century and he mentions > Scotsman making their way down the coast to join ships in the NE. If I > remember correctly he notes that they were often better educated > than the locals > > Gavin > > On 13/10/2013 17:33, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > >> Maybe his dad knew the master? >> >> >> >> On Sunday, 13 October 2013, Gillian Mauchan wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hmm >>> >>> Just Googled the port of Sunderland - which raises more questions than >>> answers - it's near Newcastle which seems a long way from Crail to go for >>> an >>> Apprenticeship! >>> Gillian >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gillian Mauchan [mailto:[email protected]<javascript:;>] >>> Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2013 7:01 PM >>> To: [email protected]<javascript:;> >>> Subject: Re[MAR]: Andrew Gowans >>> >>> >>> All >>> >>> Thanks so much for reminding me to look further through the images, I had >>> found the certificate, but hadn't paged to the next pages! >>> >>> The reason I settled on the birth in 1796 was it was the most likely, also >>> the family names matched. The father was Andrew and Gr father David. >>> >>> Andrew and Prudence only had one living child Andrew McCurdy Gowans, and a >>> child who died in infancy David, according to the family tombstone. Andrew >>> was a much more prolific breeder he had 12 children! >>> >>> On the various crew agreements he is of various ages and could have been >>> born anytime between 1790 and 1805! My ancestors have not been very >>> knowledgable about their ages! >>> >>> I suppose that the very informative tombstone could be wrong. It mentions >>> the Capt, his wife, his brother, two infant grand children , Andrew McCurdy >>> and his son Andrew. Curiously Andrew McCurdy emigrated to St Johns in 1901 >>> and died there in 1916. His wife returned to Scotland and she either >>> updated >>> the stone or put it up. >>> >>> I did try to look at newspapers in Greenock when I was there for a visit, >>> it >>> seems like deaths at sea were common and most of the articles I saw only >>> mentioned numbers of victims not names! >>> Thanks again for the help >>> >>> Gillian >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected]<javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I've read a couple of Walter Runcimans books about sailing on the East coast during the mid 19th century and he mentions Scotsman making their way down the coast to join ships in the NE. If I remember correctly he notes that they were often better educated than the locals Gavin On 13/10/2013 17:33, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > Maybe his dad knew the master? > > > > On Sunday, 13 October 2013, Gillian Mauchan wrote: > > >> Hmm >> >> Just Googled the port of Sunderland - which raises more questions than >> answers - it's near Newcastle which seems a long way from Crail to go for >> an >> Apprenticeship! >> Gillian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gillian Mauchan [mailto:[email protected]<javascript:;>] >> Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2013 7:01 PM >> To: [email protected]<javascript:;> >> Subject: Re[MAR]: Andrew Gowans >> >> >> All >> >> Thanks so much for reminding me to look further through the images, I had >> found the certificate, but hadn't paged to the next pages! >> >> The reason I settled on the birth in 1796 was it was the most likely, also >> the family names matched. The father was Andrew and Gr father David. >> >> Andrew and Prudence only had one living child Andrew McCurdy Gowans, and a >> child who died in infancy David, according to the family tombstone. Andrew >> was a much more prolific breeder he had 12 children! >> >> On the various crew agreements he is of various ages and could have been >> born anytime between 1790 and 1805! My ancestors have not been very >> knowledgable about their ages! >> >> I suppose that the very informative tombstone could be wrong. It mentions >> the Capt, his wife, his brother, two infant grand children , Andrew McCurdy >> and his son Andrew. Curiously Andrew McCurdy emigrated to St Johns in 1901 >> and died there in 1916. His wife returned to Scotland and she either >> updated >> the stone or put it up. >> >> I did try to look at newspapers in Greenock when I was there for a visit, >> it >> seems like deaths at sea were common and most of the articles I saw only >> mentioned numbers of victims not names! >> Thanks again for the help >> >> Gillian >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hmm Just Googled the port of Sunderland - which raises more questions than answers - it's near Newcastle which seems a long way from Crail to go for an Apprenticeship! Gillian -----Original Message----- From: Gillian Mauchan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2013 7:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re[MAR]: Andrew Gowans All Thanks so much for reminding me to look further through the images, I had found the certificate, but hadn't paged to the next pages! The reason I settled on the birth in 1796 was it was the most likely, also the family names matched. The father was Andrew and Gr father David. Andrew and Prudence only had one living child Andrew McCurdy Gowans, and a child who died in infancy David, according to the family tombstone. Andrew was a much more prolific breeder he had 12 children! On the various crew agreements he is of various ages and could have been born anytime between 1790 and 1805! My ancestors have not been very knowledgable about their ages! I suppose that the very informative tombstone could be wrong. It mentions the Capt, his wife, his brother, two infant grand children , Andrew McCurdy and his son Andrew. Curiously Andrew McCurdy emigrated to St Johns in 1901 and died there in 1916. His wife returned to Scotland and she either updated the stone or put it up. I did try to look at newspapers in Greenock when I was there for a visit, it seems like deaths at sea were common and most of the articles I saw only mentioned numbers of victims not names! Thanks again for the help Gillian

All Thanks so much for reminding me to look further through the images, I had found the certificate, but hadn't paged to the next pages! The reason I settled on the birth in 1796 was it was the most likely, also the family names matched. The father was Andrew and Gr father David. Andrew and Prudence only had one living child Andrew McCurdy Gowans, and a child who died in infancy David, according to the family tombstone. Andrew was a much more prolific breeder he had 12 children! On the various crew agreements he is of various ages and could have been born anytime between 1790 and 1805! My ancestors have not been very knowledgable about their ages! I suppose that the very informative tombstone could be wrong. It mentions the Capt, his wife, his brother, two infant grand children , Andrew McCurdy and his son Andrew. Curiously Andrew McCurdy emigrated to St Johns in 1901 and died there in 1916. His wife returned to Scotland and she either updated the stone or put it up. I did try to look at newspapers in Greenock when I was there for a visit, it seems like deaths at sea were common and most of the articles I saw only mentioned numbers of victims not names! Thanks again for the help Gillian

Maybe his dad knew the master? On Sunday, 13 October 2013, Gillian Mauchan wrote: > Hmm > > Just Googled the port of Sunderland - which raises more questions than > answers - it's near Newcastle which seems a long way from Crail to go for > an > Apprenticeship! > Gillian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gillian Mauchan [mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>] > Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2013 7:01 PM > To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > Subject: Re[MAR]: Andrew Gowans > > > All > > Thanks so much for reminding me to look further through the images, I had > found the certificate, but hadn't paged to the next pages! > > The reason I settled on the birth in 1796 was it was the most likely, also > the family names matched. The father was Andrew and Gr father David. > > Andrew and Prudence only had one living child Andrew McCurdy Gowans, and a > child who died in infancy David, according to the family tombstone. Andrew > was a much more prolific breeder he had 12 children! > > On the various crew agreements he is of various ages and could have been > born anytime between 1790 and 1805! My ancestors have not been very > knowledgable about their ages! > > I suppose that the very informative tombstone could be wrong. It mentions > the Capt, his wife, his brother, two infant grand children , Andrew McCurdy > and his son Andrew. Curiously Andrew McCurdy emigrated to St Johns in 1901 > and died there in 1916. His wife returned to Scotland and she either > updated > the stone or put it up. > > I did try to look at newspapers in Greenock when I was there for a visit, > it > seems like deaths at sea were common and most of the articles I saw only > mentioned numbers of victims not names! > Thanks again for the help > > Gillian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi As Andrew was Scottish, I am not at all sure you would find him at Kew. If they did include Scottish Deaths at sea, it would be worth looking for a few years beyond 1855 as the information often took a long time to get to the UK. You can, I believe, do this on Find My Past. I don't have a subscription. 1855 is bingo year for Scottish BMD records , as the information recorded was very extensive. However, I have been unable to find any information (Death, will) on Scotland's People or in newspaper archives (though I am not nearly as good at searching as Peter Klein!) clare Oxford UK: On a visit to Kew I looked at the mariners deaths c 1855 and did not find his name. As I live in Aus I am unable to make frequent visits to Kew. I also looked for other voyages in 1852 and could not find any in the crew agreements in 1852 from Greenock.

Hi I am stumped on my ancestor Captain Andrew Gowans who sailed to foreign ports out of Greenock What I know about him: - He was born in Kingsbarn Fife on 26th Dec 1796 - He married Prudence Bell in Greenock on the 8th Mar 1824 - He was captain of the "The Gypsy" from 1837-1840 - He was captain of the Euphemia between 1844 -1850 - He captained the maiden voyage of the Walter Baine in 1851 (for Baine and Johnston) - The family tombstone says he was lost at sea in Jan 1855 I have copies of the crew agreement lists for the voyages above - on most of those he did not have a ticket - on the final voyage he has a ticket 40189 - which I presume he was awarded due to the length of time he served as a captain. On a visit to Kew I looked at the mariners deaths c 1855 and did not find his name. As I live in Aus I am unable to make frequent visits to Kew. I also looked for other voyages in 1852 and could not find any in the crew agreements in 1852 from Greenock. The ships register indicates he handed the Walter Baine over to Archibald Brown Any ideas of where I can go next to find him - I would love to know what ship he fell off! Gillian

For Gillian: The UK and Ireland, Mates and Masters certificates, 1850-1927, shows Andrew GOWANS, b 12 Dec 1806, Crail, Fife. His register ticket number was 40189 and the accompanying service records as Mate and Master show Britannia, Gypsey, Euphemia, etc., all were involved in the Newfoundland trade. The digital image for the ticket can be found at http://interactive.ancestrylibrary.com/2271/31936_1831109333_0147-00202/700845?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestrylibrary.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgst%3d-6&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults This does not answer the question re his death at sea but should give you a different starting point, birthdate and birthplace, for Andrew. Kingsbarns and Crail are not far apart geographically. According to the date on his service record for his Master's certificate he went to sea in 1818 when he was approx. 12 years old, serving as an Apprentice on the Isabella out of Sunderland from 1818 - 1821. Norma On 2013-10-12, at 4:47 AM, Gillian Mauchan wrote: > Hi > > I am stumped on my ancestor Captain Andrew Gowans who sailed to foreign > ports out of Greenock > > What I know about him: > > - He was born in Kingsbarn Fife on 26th Dec 1796 > > - He married Prudence Bell in Greenock on the 8th Mar 1824 > > - He was captain of the "The Gypsy" from 1837-1840 > > - He was captain of the Euphemia between 1844 -1850 > > - He captained the maiden voyage of the Walter Baine in 1851 (for > Baine and Johnston) > > - The family tombstone says he was lost at sea in Jan 1855 > > I have copies of the crew agreement lists for the voyages above - on most of > those he did not have a ticket - on the final voyage he has a ticket 40189 - > which I presume he was awarded due to the length of time he served as a > captain. > > On a visit to Kew I looked at the mariners deaths c 1855 and did not find > his name. As I live in Aus I am unable to make frequent visits to Kew. I > also looked for other voyages in 1852 and could not find any in the crew > agreements in 1852 from Greenock. > > The ships register indicates he handed the Walter Baine over to Archibald > Brown > > > > Any ideas of where I can go next to find him - I would love to know what > ship he fell off! > > > > Gillian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gillian, Sadly I have little to add to what you already know, but the Caledonian Mercury for 15 May 1851 reported under "Leith Shipping" that "Walter Baine, Gowan, at St. Johns Newfoundland 12th ult [ie. April 1851], from Clyde."  Thereafter I have been unable to find any mention of him in connection with any ship.  Another master named Gowans is mentioned as in command of a brig named Rival of Montrose, and this continues until 1859, but he was a J. Gowans according to Lloyd's Register. It's always possible that he was otherwise occupied after 1851, and might have been lost while on his way back to Scotland in 1855.  Alternatively he might have become master of a North American coastal vessel trading locally. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Gillian Mauchan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 12 October 2013, 9:47 Subject: [MAR] Andrew Gowans Hi I am stumped on my ancestor Captain Andrew Gowans who sailed to foreign ports out of Greenock What I know about him: -          He was born in Kingsbarn Fife on 26th Dec 1796 -          He married Prudence Bell in Greenock on the 8th Mar 1824 -          He was captain of the "The Gypsy" from 1837-1840 -          He was captain of the Euphemia between 1844 -1850 -          He captained the maiden voyage of the Walter Baine in 1851 (for Baine and Johnston) -          The family tombstone says he was lost at sea in Jan 1855 I have copies of the crew agreement lists for the voyages above - on most of those he did not have a ticket - on the final voyage he has a ticket 40189 - which I presume he was awarded due to the length of time he served as a captain. On a visit to Kew I looked at the mariners deaths c 1855 and did not find his name. As I live in Aus I am unable to make frequent visits to Kew. I also looked for other voyages in 1852 and could not find any in the crew agreements in 1852 from Greenock. The ships register indicates he handed the Walter Baine over to Archibald Brown Any ideas of where I can go next to find him - I would love to know what ship he fell off! Gillian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gillian You know there is a copy of his 1851 Certificate of Service which can be seen at ancestry.co.uk? That lists his time at sea from when he went to sea in 1818 up to 1851 and the names of the vessels. The certificate is on p.202 of the particular bit - the other info on pp 203-4. Will give some thought to how you might find details of his death - local newspapers may be the best bet. Cheers Piers On Saturday, 12 October 2013, Gillian Mauchan wrote: > Hi > > I am stumped on my ancestor Captain Andrew Gowans who sailed to foreign > ports out of Greenock > > What I know about him: > > - He was born in Kingsbarn Fife on 26th Dec 1796 > > - He married Prudence Bell in Greenock on the 8th Mar 1824 > > - He was captain of the "The Gypsy" from 1837-1840 > > - He was captain of the Euphemia between 1844 -1850 > > - He captained the maiden voyage of the Walter Baine in 1851 (for > Baine and Johnston) > > - The family tombstone says he was lost at sea in Jan 1855 > > I have copies of the crew agreement lists for the voyages above - on most > of > those he did not have a ticket - on the final voyage he has a ticket 40189 > - > which I presume he was awarded due to the length of time he served as a > captain. > > On a visit to Kew I looked at the mariners deaths c 1855 and did not find > his name. As I live in Aus I am unable to make frequent visits to Kew. I > also looked for other voyages in 1852 and could not find any in the crew > agreements in 1852 from Greenock. > > The ships register indicates he handed the Walter Baine over to Archibald > Brown > > > > Any ideas of where I can go next to find him - I would love to know what > ship he fell off! > > > > Gillian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello I have an interest in a GEORGE BASHFORD who appears in the 1861 UK census on board the ' Britannia (1) ' in Portsmouth Harbour as a " Ord 2 class ". His name is actually shown as Geoe Bashford. George is listed on the Britannia with over a hundred other 19-21 year olds. Can anyone provide any guidance in regard to what the Britannia (1) was? Was the Britannia (1) the actual Portsmouth Naval Training Depot? Can anyone give me guidance as to how I might be able to track George Bashford's naval/maritime career from this point in 1861? Regards Gary Blond

Hi Gary A search of the National Archives catalogue : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/ at Kew comes up with this chap, who looks as though he might by yours ? >From the Admiralty Royal Navy Continuous Service Engagement Books. C.S. ADM 139/510/10924 Description: Name Bashford, George Place of Birth: Worthing, Sussex Continuous Service Number: 10924A Date of Volunteering: 16 July 1860 Date of Birth: 02 November 1840 If you would like to do a search you can click on the man's name and for GBP3.36 you would appear to be able to down load 10 pages of his service record. With regards to the Britannia, over the years I've made some occasional notes on 19th Century HM Ships, and you can see them for the Britannia at : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/B/00688.html For much of the period she was at Portsmouth as a training ship, both officer cadets and naval ratings were on board at the same time, but following problems with the parents of the officer cadets, and an outbreak of influenza and other things, which ISTR reading in the papers of the day resulted in the death of at least one of the cadets, the mix of trainees on board didn't go down too well with the parents, and the ratings were removed from the ship to be trained elsewhere, whilst the Britannia was moved down here to Portland Roads, but the ship's movement at her moorings upset some of the poor little brats, oops darlings, and, so, following further complaints from the parents the Admiralty moved the vessel down to Dartmouth, on the River Dart, where officer cadets training was moved ashore circa 1900, and remains to this day, although probably not for much longer ? Paul On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:51:24 +1000, Gary <[email protected]> wrote: >Hello > >I have an interest in a GEORGE BASHFORD who appears in the 1861 UK >census on board the ' Britannia (1) ' in Portsmouth Harbour as a " Ord 2 >class ". His name is actually shown as Geoe Bashford. > >George is listed on the Britannia with over a hundred other 19-21 year olds. > >Can anyone provide any guidance in regard to what the Britannia (1) was? >Was the Britannia (1) the actual Portsmouth Naval Training Depot? > >Can anyone give me guidance as to how I might be able to track George >Bashford's naval/maritime career from this point in 1861? > >Regards >Gary Blond > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

PS - Since the painting was presumably in the same sale as the Bargains being hunted, or in one just after, you could try to identify the sale from the descriptions of the various "Bargain" items featured in the programme. You might then be able to find the painting by searching through the catalogue for that sale. On 10 October 2013 20:58, Piers Smith-Cresswell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John > > Gildings (not Goldings) of Market Harborough have a website with a search > engine which allows you to search action results back till at least 2004. > Their website is www.gildings.co.uk. Searching "ship" brings up 374 > results in past auctions. Nothing under "Woolhampton", nothing under > "Tudjay" or even "pierhead". "Vessel + painting" brings up 35 results. > "Ship + painting" yields 5, "Sailing" 383. Some of those hits even have > photos attached. There are no doubt other terms you could try. I would > first of all try to identify the particular lot and date of sale, bearing > in mind that it could be some time - maybe a year or so - prior to the date > of transmission. It may be that it is not actually your vessel. Not that > I am doubting you, but ship portraits often followed a fairly standard > formula, and what might at first glance appear to be "your" picture could > turn out to be verifiably a completely different one, although it might > look very similar. Certainly if there was any information on the picture - > such as the name of the ship or the artist - one would expect that to > feature in the lot description. The fact that the identifying details > score no hits suggests that the picture, albeit similar, may not have been > of your vessel because one would expect those details to be given as they > would add value. Equally, whoever Tudjay was, he may have painted more > than one picture of the same vessel for different members of the crew. In > which case details such as the framing could be significant. > > If you do find the picture in the catalogues, I don't think that Gildings > (a respectable auction house) will be inclined to release any information > to you, particularly about the buyer, who we have to assume bought it in > good faith and is presumably a completely innocent party. They would > doubtless co-operate with the police if required. But if neither your > great aunt nor the executors reported a theft at the time, I can see a your > having a certain amount of difficulty in convincing the police that the > picture had been stolen and had not in fact been given by your great aunt > to someone before she died, whenever that was. > > I am further confused by a post you made to the List in June 2011 when you > stated that a Tudjay painting of "Woolhampton" was in the possession of > your cousin Nicholas Laws in South Africa. > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MARINERS/2011-06/1308845513. Was this another one? > > Cheers > Piers > > > On 10 October 2013 17:31, John Laws <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> You may remember over the years I've tried on these esteemed pages to >> extract information on the above ship, that my great-grandfather Robert >> Henry Laws (1828-1891) commanded between 1873 and 1881. >> >> Last week my wife and I were watching a re-run of BBC's Bargain Hunt and >> when Tim Wannacott was talking to the Auctioneer at Goldings Auction Rooms >> of Market Harborough in Northamptonshire I spotted the portrait of this >> ship >> (painted by Frederick Tudjay in 1872) that I last saw hanging on the wall >> in >> my Great Aunts house at Fowey in Cornwall. >> >> When I was there after her death (I was executor to her estate) it was >> glaringly missing. >> >> We always thought it had been removed by her son, from whom she was >> estranged, he did not attend the funeral, and sadly both he and his wife >> have since died. >> >> The programme was first screened November 2012, I have been in touch with >> both the BBC and with the Auction Rooms without success. >> >> Can anyone advise how I go forward in recovering it to the Laws Family >> where >> it belongs. >> >> >> John P Laws >> >> Registrar >> Laws Family Register >> Putting Flesh on the Bones of History >> Member of GOONS (www.one-name.org) >> >> Email:- [email protected] >> Post:- 131a High Street, North Berwick, >> East Lothian, Scotland EH39 4HB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi John Gildings (not Goldings) of Market Harborough have a website with a search engine which allows you to search action results back till at least 2004. Their website is www.gildings.co.uk. Searching "ship" brings up 374 results in past auctions. Nothing under "Woolhampton", nothing under "Tudjay" or even "pierhead". "Vessel + painting" brings up 35 results. "Ship + painting" yields 5, "Sailing" 383. Some of those hits even have photos attached. There are no doubt other terms you could try. I would first of all try to identify the particular lot and date of sale, bearing in mind that it could be some time - maybe a year or so - prior to the date of transmission. It may be that it is not actually your vessel. Not that I am doubting you, but ship portraits often followed a fairly standard formula, and what might at first glance appear to be "your" picture could turn out to be verifiably a completely different one, although it might look very similar. Certainly if there was any information on the picture - such as the name of the ship or the artist - one would expect that to feature in the lot description. The fact that the identifying details score no hits suggests that the picture, albeit similar, may not have been of your vessel because one would expect those details to be given as they would add value. Equally, whoever Tudjay was, he may have painted more than one picture of the same vessel for different members of the crew. In which case details such as the framing could be significant. If you do find the picture in the catalogues, I don't think that Gildings (a respectable auction house) will be inclined to release any information to you, particularly about the buyer, who we have to assume bought it in good faith and is presumably a completely innocent party. They would doubtless co-operate with the police if required. But if neither your great aunt nor the executors reported a theft at the time, I can see a your having a certain amount of difficulty in convincing the police that the picture had been stolen and had not in fact been given by your great aunt to someone before she died, whenever that was. I am further confused by a post you made to the List in June 2011 when you stated that a Tudjay painting of "Woolhampton" was in the possession of your cousin Nicholas Laws in South Africa. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MARINERS/2011-06/1308845513. Was this another one? Cheers Piers On 10 October 2013 17:31, John Laws <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > You may remember over the years I've tried on these esteemed pages to > extract information on the above ship, that my great-grandfather Robert > Henry Laws (1828-1891) commanded between 1873 and 1881. > > Last week my wife and I were watching a re-run of BBC's Bargain Hunt and > when Tim Wannacott was talking to the Auctioneer at Goldings Auction Rooms > of Market Harborough in Northamptonshire I spotted the portrait of this > ship > (painted by Frederick Tudjay in 1872) that I last saw hanging on the wall > in > my Great Aunts house at Fowey in Cornwall. > > When I was there after her death (I was executor to her estate) it was > glaringly missing. > > We always thought it had been removed by her son, from whom she was > estranged, he did not attend the funeral, and sadly both he and his wife > have since died. > > The programme was first screened November 2012, I have been in touch with > both the BBC and with the Auction Rooms without success. > > Can anyone advise how I go forward in recovering it to the Laws Family > where > it belongs. > > > John P Laws > > Registrar > Laws Family Register > Putting Flesh on the Bones of History > Member of GOONS (www.one-name.org) > > Email:- [email protected] > Post:- 131a High Street, North Berwick, > East Lothian, Scotland EH39 4HB > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Auction House should keep records for at least 6 years. If a buyer claims they were sold a 'fake' the Auction House would need information to try to defend themselves. However, the Auction House will scream "Data Protection" and say they can't reveal information about the buyer. But you could ask them if they would forward a letter from you to the buyer as this is a 'missing' family heirloom. They aren't revealing any personal data, and it's up to the buyer if they contact you. Some auction results are available online, so you may be able to find out what it sold for and so assess what to offer to buy it back. Good luck! Regards Dawn Sent from my iPhone On 10 Oct 2013, at 17:31, "John Laws" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > You may remember over the years I've tried on these esteemed pages to > extract information on the above ship, that my great-grandfather Robert > Henry Laws (1828-1891) commanded between 1873 and 1881. > > Last week my wife and I were watching a re-run of BBC's Bargain Hunt and > when Tim Wannacott was talking to the Auctioneer at Goldings Auction Rooms > of Market Harborough in Northamptonshire I spotted the portrait of this ship > (painted by Frederick Tudjay in 1872) that I last saw hanging on the wall in > my Great Aunts house at Fowey in Cornwall. > > When I was there after her death (I was executor to her estate) it was > glaringly missing. > > We always thought it had been removed by her son, from whom she was > estranged, he did not attend the funeral, and sadly both he and his wife > have since died. > > The programme was first screened November 2012, I have been in touch with > both the BBC and with the Auction Rooms without success. > > Can anyone advise how I go forward in recovering it to the Laws Family where > it belongs. > > > John P Laws > > Registrar > Laws Family Register > Putting Flesh on the Bones of History > Member of GOONS (www.one-name.org) > > Email:- [email protected] > Post:- 131a High Street, North Berwick, > East Lothian, Scotland EH39 4HB > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message