In the period 1775 to about 1825 what type of weapons if any merchant vessels carry ?. I am researching an area around Mutton Island Co Clare, north of the Shannon Estuary, Ireland. The Island was used as a hideout and storage facility for smugglers through the 1700s and up to 1820 when a coast guard station was built there, French privateers were regular visitors I even have a report of a 24 gun American Privateer 1777. The two most famous wrecks in the area are the San Marcus, Spanish Armada 1588 and the HMS Martin 1817, but there are also a number of large merchant vessels recorded lost in the area. I am looking specifically at merchant vessels crossing the Atlantic both ways and might have to dodge any of the above threats. Mick www.irishshipwrecks.ie

Hello Mick,   For what it's worth, my only known snippett of data is that the Michael Henley coastal collier ANN (London-Shields-London) carried blunderbusses in 1802.   Regards, Adi >________________________________ >From: Mick O Rourke <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:11:06 AM >Subject: [MAR] Armed Merchant Vessels > > >In the period 1775 to about 1825 what type of  weapons if any merchant >vessels carry ?. >I am researching an area around Mutton Island Co Clare, north of the Shannon >Estuary, Ireland. >The Island was used as a hideout and storage facility for smugglers through >the 1700s and up to 1820 when a coast guard station was built there, French >privateers were regular visitors I even have a report of a 24 gun American >Privateer 1777. >The two most famous wrecks in the area are the San Marcus, Spanish Armada >1588 and the HMS Martin 1817, but there are also a number of  large merchant >vessels recorded lost in the area. >I am looking specifically at merchant vessels crossing the Atlantic both >ways and might have to dodge any of the above threats. > >Mick > >www.irishshipwrecks.ie > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear Stephen, There is a similar photos of the KOMATA and WAIOTAPU with derricks rigged in similar fashion in the book "Union Fleet" by Ian Farqhar. There is a small note saying "In this illustration she is shown with her derricks rigged to transfer coal" However there is no explanation of how this system worked. This book also confirms a 1927 sale. Regarding signal letters, I think the more likely explanation is that it took some time to update shipping registers and info in them was not always current. Communications were not as good in those days! regards Ted On 20/10/2013 03:44, Stephen Davies wrote: > Dear Mick, Ian and Ted, > I have been overwhelmed by the instant, helpful and friendly response > to my enquiries. > > The collegiality of those interested in ships always stands out - as > if the deep secret of a 'happy ship' has become part of our lives. > > Mick - you have completely answered my query. Obviously the change in > letters was an outcome of the 1932 changeover to nationality linked > radio call signs. What is interesting and seems a weak implication of > what you write, is that the older, ship-specific code/signal letters > somehow hung in there, presumably until one way or another almost > every ship had also become a ship radio station. > > Thanks too for the additional nugget about the change in registration > date. That argues in favour of a 1927 sale - something that from the > records retrieved so far seemed equivocal between 1927 and 1929. > > I don't know whether any of you could help further, or know of anyone > who might, but the /Koromiko/ poses an additional puzzle that a 'grey > funnel line' and small boat sailor like me has no real handle on. > > In all the images of the ship save she has her main derricks pivoted, > as usual, close to the foot of the masts but also has, stowed > vertically down the masts themselves, four further small derricks to > each mast pivoted at the cross-trees. These were supported by lifts > that went to sheaves on the topmast. When deployed they stuck out of > the top of the mast like a four-petalled daisy (!) and I cannot work > out what was going on(nor have I found anyone I know who worked cargo > in the old break bulk days who knows). > > I am attaching an image of the Koromiko working cargo with these > beasties from an obscure Kiwi collection in the University of Otago > that I have stumbled on. It shows these additional derricks deployed, > though how exactly they are being used is another matter. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks again. > Stephen D > > > > Dr Stephen Davies > HK Institute for the Humanities and Social Sciences, > G08 May Hall > University of Hong Kong > > Office: (852) 39175034 > Mobile: (852) 66833754 > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > On 19 Oct, 2013, at 6:36 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Morning Ted, Ian and Stephen >> >> The only LR I have for that period is 1918, when I looked it up, half the >> page was missing (the half with the code on). >> But then I remembered the signal code is included on the Mercantile Navy >> List. >> She had the code T.V.S.P from 1907 up to 1929, her reg changed to >> Hong Kong >> in 1928. >> MNL 1930-33 shows her with two codes T.V.S.P and V.P.B.D. >> By MNL 1934 T.V.S.P is dropped she continues with V.P.B.D. >> She is listed in MNL up to 1936 but not after. >> >> I wonder what is a "modest price each" for LRs, might be worth >> looking in >> to. >> Ian maybe you could put me in touch with whom ever deals with LRs for >> WSS, >> Christmas is coming and I really have too many jumpers. >> >> J Lowe website don't know it or do I ? . >> >> >> Mick O'Rourke >> >> www.irishshipwrecks.ie <http://www.irishshipwrecks.ie> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Finch" >>> <[email protected]> >>> To: "Mick" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:28 AM >>> Subject: Fwd: RE: Koromiko >>> >>> >>>> Hi Mick, >>>> >>>> I have received the following and Ian Buxton cannot help, so was >>>> wondering whether you had access to LRs for these dates? >>>> >>>> regards >>>> Ted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: RE: Koromiko >>>> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:45:36 +0000 >>>> From: Ian Buxton <[email protected]> >>>> To: Stephen Davies <[email protected]>, >>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am not into code letters so cannot really help there. >>>> >>>> Re LRs- World Ship Society has a good number of duplicate copies/years. >>>> If someone/organisation in HK was prepared to pay for shipment (heavy!) >>>> plus a modest price each, that could be explored. >>>> >>>> Ian Buxton >>>>> >> >

Hello John, Many thanks for the interesting information about St John's and Saint John. It it interesting that this ship was built in Canada. I had wondered where the name came from and your theory is probably right. I will look up Sir Guy Carleton's history. kind regards Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > The names of the cities of St. John's and Saint John can be confusing. > St. > John's is in Newfoundland. Saint John is in New Brunswick. The New > Brunswick one is likely correct in this case as Carleton was a town (a > suburb of Saint John) and is still a county in New Brunswick. The book > "Saint John Ships and Their Builders" by Catherine Wright lists four > sailing > vessels built at or near Saint John with this name. There were two or > three > others built elsewhere in British North America. If you do a search for > Sir > Guy Carleton you will get the history of the name. The brig in question > is > shown as 183 tons and launched by John and Anthony Appleby in December > 1839 > for Peter Duff. Exactly where the shipyard was located is unclear from > the > text but it may have been up the Kennebecasis River where the Appleby > brothers' grandfather had established a yard. According to Wright the > brig > eventually foundered off Scarborough UK in December 1867 or 1869. > Regards, > John > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:09 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > >> Hello Valerie, >> >> I can answer some part of your question. The Carleton was a new ship, a >> brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839. Her first >> master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field >> of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore. She had >> arrived >> from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840. She was cleared out of >> London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at >> Gravesend the following day. Colpeper was succeeded, probably during >> 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from >> Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843. She also >> appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes. Carleton was >> advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following >> September. >> >> There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, >> built >> at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The >> sailed >> frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports >> under various masters. >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Klein >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> >> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 >> Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' >> >> >> Hi List, >> >> I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and >> Transactions >> series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship >> 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing >> from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and >> Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just >> before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has >> mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. >> >> When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few >> years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as >> mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today >> and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same >> ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. >> >> kind regards >> Valerie >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Peter, Thank you also for this further information on the Carleton. This does appear to be the same ship as one of the crew joined the ship in Hong Kong December 1841. The date on the Agreement was 30th December 1842 which was day it arrived in London. I found by trawling through Lloyd's List the entry of Fredk Colepeper in the 1840/41 edition. kind regards Valerie Richards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hi Valerie, I have found one or two more mentions of the Carleton, under a variation of the spelling - Carlton - but she's clearly the same ship. She entered out through customs at London for Singapore on the 12 March 1841, and as I said before was cleared outwards on the 24 April. On the 7 February 1842 she was then reported under "China Shipping" as having arrived from SIngapore on the previous 21 October, but I assume this was at a Chinese port. She was again reported as having arrived at Gravesend from Singapore on the 29 December 1842. These reports are all rather disjointed, and there is never mention of Colpeper, but I hope these pieces may help in your jigsaw puzzle. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hi List, I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. kind regards Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Peter, Many thanks for all the information you have sent me. I'm not sure if you mean in your email that there were 2 voyages to Singapore 1840 and 1841 or was the ship delivered to London in 1840 and it took a year before the lst sailing. I do have the crew list and agreement from the PRO of the April 1841 voyage which gives details of where the ship sailed to. The number on the Crew List is 64/1153. Do you think that Captain Colepeper (Colpeper) would have brought her from St Johns to Gravesend? Thanks also for the information about the 2nd ship of same name. My ancestor Frederick Colepeper unfortunately died in 1848 aged 42 and I fear this 1841 voyage may have been his last. The spealling of his name often varies but he signs the crew list and agreement as Fredk Hy Colepeper. kind regards Valerie Richards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hello Valerie, I can answer some part of your question. The Carleton was a new ship, a brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839. Her first master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore. She had arrived from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840. She was cleared out of London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at Gravesend the following day. Colpeper was succeeded, probably during 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843. She also appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes. Carleton was advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following September. There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, built at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The sailed frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports under various masters. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hi List, I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. kind regards Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Can anyone put a name to the Naval Trawler Number T 213 built on the Clyde By Ferguson Shipbuilders. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia.

Hi Valerie, I have found one or two more mentions of the Carleton, under a variation of the spelling - Carlton - but she's clearly the same ship.  She entered out through customs at London for Singapore on the 12 March 1841, and as I said before was cleared outwards on the 24 April.  On the 7 February 1842 she was then reported under "China Shipping" as having arrived from SIngapore on the previous 21 October, but I assume this was at a Chinese port.  She was again reported as having arrived at Gravesend from Singapore on the 29 December 1842. These reports are all rather disjointed, and there is never mention of Colpeper, but I hope these pieces may help in your jigsaw puzzle. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hi List, I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions series 1 of the Ships Registries.  I am looking for details of a ship 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840.  I have a record of the ship sailing from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing.  Abi has mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship.  When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as mentioned above.  I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in other files?  Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. kind regards Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The names of the cities of St. John's and Saint John can be confusing. St. John's is in Newfoundland. Saint John is in New Brunswick. The New Brunswick one is likely correct in this case as Carleton was a town (a suburb of Saint John) and is still a county in New Brunswick. The book "Saint John Ships and Their Builders" by Catherine Wright lists four sailing vessels built at or near Saint John with this name. There were two or three others built elsewhere in British North America. If you do a search for Sir Guy Carleton you will get the history of the name. The brig in question is shown as 183 tons and launched by John and Anthony Appleby in December 1839 for Peter Duff. Exactly where the shipyard was located is unclear from the text but it may have been up the Kennebecasis River where the Appleby brothers' grandfather had established a yard. According to Wright the brig eventually foundered off Scarborough UK in December 1867 or 1869. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:09 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > Hello Valerie, > > I can answer some part of your question. The Carleton was a new ship, a > brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839. Her first > master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field > of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore. She had arrived > from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840. She was cleared out of > London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at > Gravesend the following day. Colpeper was succeeded, probably during > 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from > Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843. She also > appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes. Carleton was > advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following > September. > > There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, built > at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The sailed > frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports > under various masters. > > Regards, > > Peter Klein > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> > To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 > Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > > > Hi List, > > I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions > series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship > 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing > from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and > Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just > before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has > mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. > > When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few > years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as > mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today > and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same > ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. > > kind regards > Valerie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Valerie, I can answer some part of your question.  The Carleton was a new ship, a brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839.  Her first master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore.  She had arrived from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840.  She was cleared out of London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at Gravesend the following day.  Colpeper was succeeded, probably during 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843.  She also appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes.  Carleton was advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following September. There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, built at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The sailed frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports under  various masters. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hi List, I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions series 1 of the Ships Registries.  I am looking for details of a ship 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840.  I have a record of the ship sailing from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing.  Abi has mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship.  When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as mentioned above.  I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in other files?  Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. kind regards Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found an article in an 1868 Australian newspaper that stated that four crew members of the Steamship Pioneer successfully sued Capt Shackford for L2 for breach of contract. Apparently during a trip from Charleston to Liverpool in 1868 he filled their sleeping space with cotton forcing them to berth with the six firemen and not giving them their due 72 cubic feet/person. Believe that Capt J. W. Shackford was the master of the Pioneer from 1866 - 1872. How I can learn more about the size and layout of this steamship. Article found at "SEAMEN AND THEIR SLEEPING PLACES.," The Newcastle Chronicle (Newcastle, Australia), 17 September 1868; digital images, Trove (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ : accessed 19 October 2013). Thanks Joanne Joanne Shackford Parkes http://shackfordgenealogy.weebly.com/shackford-blog.html http://www.facebook.com/ShackfordGenealogy

Hi List, I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. kind regards Valerie

Hi Joe, According to uboat.net, T213 was HMS Unst, Isles class trawler, launched by Ferguson Bros. on 28 May 1942, and sold to the Italian Navy in January 1946.  See http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/6707.html.  There's some account of her history there. Best regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Joe McMillan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 9:28 Subject: [MAR] Naval Trawler T 213 Hi All,         Can anyone put a name to the Naval Trawler Number T 213 built on the Clyde By Ferguson Shipbuilders. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance,               Joe McMillan,             South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, Peter would seem to be right and I would suggest that a 760 ton schooner would be unlikely to carry a 4th mate. This just leaves the Cunarder. Her details were - MARATHON O.N.28220, 1,784 gross tons, length 274ft x beam 36.2ft, iron hull, brig rigged. 1873 rebuilt to 2,403 gross tons, length 336ft x beam 36.6ft. Accommodation for 70 cabin and 950-steerage class passengers. 1860 built by Napier & Sons, Glasgow for British & Foreign SN. Co, Glasgow. Apr.1860 Maiden voyage from Liverpool to Constantinople. Jan.1861 First voyage Liverpool - New York 1866 advertised as a Cunard emigrant steamer. 1873 rebuilt and fitted with a third mast (barque rigged) 1873-1884 used mainly as a Liverpool - Queenstown - Boston emigrant ship. 1878 transferred to Cunard S.S. Co 1882 chartered to British Government for 3 months as an Egyptian campaign transport 1884 onwards, mainly Liverpool - Mediterranean service. 1898 scrapped in Italy. Sorry I have no info on Andrew McKean but the Cunard archives are held at University of Liverpool and suggest you contact them. regards Ted On 18/10/2013 10:38, Bill Kean wrote: > Trying to obtain information on Andrew McKean shown as 4th Mate on the SS > Marathon in 1881. Any info on him or ship would be appreciated. > > Thanks....Bill > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul - thanks for the information. I will look into everything you suggested. Much appreciated, Lisa Message: 4 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 01:09:26 +0100 From: Paul Benyon <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MAR] Revenue Cutter - Wigtownshire Scotland, 1795 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Lisa A Capt Hamilton was in command of the Revenue Cutter Prince William Henry circa May 1806, per the "the Scots Magazine and Edinburgh Literary Miscellany," available in Google Books, when attending the funeral of the Duke of Argyll. And I note that there was an English Revenue Cutter named Hamilton in the 19th Century, if not 2, per King's Cutters and Smugglers 1700-1855, by E. Keble Chatterton : http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17563/17563-h/17563-h.htm There used to be an excellent web site that dealt with the various British Revenue Services, but I don't seem to be able to find it at the moment. Regards Paul On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:59:29 -0500, LISA WISNIEWSKI <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a marriage certificate for my 4xgGrandfather from Wigtownshire, Scotland in 1795 that reads - > > John McWilliam, Mariner, in the ?Border? Revenue Cutter Capt Hamilton and Grissal Kelly daughter to John Kelly in South Milson? were legally proclaimed before the Congregation in order to marriage and no objections being made to the contrary they were accordingly married at Village by Mr Learmont? Twenty Sixth February 1795. > > I am trying to find more information on his occupation and wondering how to find out if Capt. Hamilton is the name of the vessel or the Captain of the ship? The document is a little difficult to read in places but I believe it is 'Border' Revenue Cutter. If anyone could help with information or any places to look for information that would be great - I would appreciate any information you can offer! > > Thanks, > Lisa Wisniewski

Trying to obtain information on Andrew McKean shown as 4th Mate on the SS Marathon in 1881. Any info on him or ship would be appreciated. Thanks....Bill

Hello Bill, There are four ships named Marathon listed in Lloyd's Register in around 1881, but the most likely would seem to be one of the two screw-assisted sailing vessels based in Glasgow or Dundee.  The screw barque Marathon, 1553 tons, built Glasgow 1860, was owned by the Cunard Steam Shipping Co., home port Glasgow.  Then there was the screw schooner Marathon, 763 tons, built Dundee 1878, owned by D. Scott & Sons, home port Dundee.  If you happen to know where Andrew McKean was based, perhaps we could take it from there. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Bill Kean <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 18 October 2013, 10:38 Subject: [MAR] Assistance Trying to obtain information on Andrew McKean shown as 4th Mate on the SS Marathon in 1881. Any info on him or ship would be appreciated. Thanks....Bill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Deirdre Have had a look through the archives for the many matelots with the name Thomas McCarthy born in and around Cork per the National Archives Catalogue at : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/ and think that this may be your man : although it doesn't give his rating the J prefix of his service number suggests that he was a seaman, so it might be worth spending GBP3.36 to see if he's really your man ? Reference: ADM 188/828/90790 Description: Name McCarthy, Thomas Official Number: J90790 Place of Birth: Cork, Cork Date of Birth: 04 January 1882 should the details for his service in the RAN not be included in this service record ISTR reading that service records for the RAN can be found on-line Downunder, and I'm sure that SKS from down that way will provide a URL address if that is the case ? ISTR that the RAN came into its own as a service in 1910 ? Should you have any queries with reading his UK record I should be pleased to attempt to help, although the passage of time sometimes means that the meaning of some abbreviations has been lost, but I think we've worked out what most of them. Regards Paul On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:13:44 +0100, "Deirdre Coleman" <[email protected]> wrote: >I am trying to research Thomas McCarthy born in Aghada, Co. Cork Ireland in 1882 was a Leading Seaman in the Royal Navy in the 1911 Census – I understand he subsequently joined the Australian Navy but I cannot locate any records. > >If any one has any suggestions of where I can look next. > >Deirdre McCarthy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Can anybody please help to identify this Manchester Liners ship model? http://rmhh.co.uk/identify1.html Rodney Hall

Hello Deirdre, A little info on a few of your ships - OAK BRANCH o.n.104357, 3,258 ton turret decked cargo steamer, built 1895 by Doxford & Sons, Sunderland for Nautilus Steam Shipping Co. 17.9.1899 grounded at False Ras Gherib in the Gulf of Suez whille on voyage Baltimore to Vladivostok with a cargo of rails. Refloated and towed to Suez where cargo discharged and then sailed for U.K where repaired. 2.4.1909 sank after striking submerged wreckage off Cape Pillar in Straits of Magellan while on voyage Clyde to Guyaquil with general cargo. (Ritson's Branch Line by Malcolm Cooper ISBN 0-905617-99-1 contains photo - book probably available on inter library loan) CITY OF SWANSEA O.N.87023, 1,493 ton cargo ship, built 1882 as GWENDOLINE by Palmers, Newcastle for Wilson & Co, London. 1891 sold to Thomson & Port, London, 1893 sold to Burdick & Cook, London, 1898 sold to Mordey, Jones & Co, Newport, 1913 sold to Palgrave, Murphy & Co, Newport and Dublin, 1914 renamed CITY OF SWANSEA, 25.9.1917 torpedoed and sunk by UB.40 while 15 miles ENE of Berry Head on voyage Tyne to Boucau with coal. ECHO O.N.98823, 961 ton cargo ship, built 1891 by Raylton, Dixon & Co, Middlesbrough for Bristol Steam Navigation Co, Bristol. 26.2.1923 sunk in collision with s/s COIMBRA off Terschelling on voyage Hamburg to Gloucester with general cargo. Photo at http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?140301 INO There were several ships named INO but this is probably yours. O.N. 111302, 1,240 ton cargo ship, built 1899 by Campbeltown Shipbuilding Co, Campbeltown for Brisol S.N. Co. 14.11.1937 sank 8 miles W x N from Wandelaar Lightvessel (51.23N 02.48E) on voyage Swansea to Antwerp with tinplate. Archives of the Bristol S.N.Co at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=002-39458&cid=-1 Hope this is of interest Ted On 15/10/2013 10:25, Deirdre Coleman wrote: > Looking for any information concerning the Sea Fearing Family of Furlong’s from Arklow, Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Looking for suggestions on how to add to the following: > > > > 1784 - William Furlong owner and master of a smack (fishing vessel) called “Margaret” she was 33 reg. tons in 1784 > > 1813 Denis Furlong (owner and master of Schooner called Hitch 1813) > > Laurence Furlong born 1802 - Captain Laurence Furlong – at one time he owned 3 Schooners. > > The following is a list of boats owned by the Furlong Family over 100 years. > > 1. 1839 “Aurora” a sloop – 30 tons .(shared ownership Laurence Furlong with Michael Condren). > > 2. 1856 “Johanna Eliza Furlong” schooner 52 tons (owner Laurence Furlong). > > 3. 1863 “ St. Peter” registered 39 reg. tons no information. > > 4. 1866 “ Genet” registered in 1866. 91 reg owners Captains Laurence & Peter Furlong > > 5. 1869 “L Furlong” built in Arklow reg owner Captain Peter Furlong it was wrecked at Carne Wexford October 1900 going from Swansea to New Ross. > > 6. 1870 “Topaz” (Brigantine) Large Schooner built on Prince Edward Island Canada in 1870. She was 204 tons reg owner Peter Furlong > > 7. 1889 Schooner “Claudia” reg. owner Captain Peter Furlong > > 8. 1920 “Tarragona” built in Whitehaven in 1863 - 145 tons sold by Captain Joe Furlong in 1920. > > 9. 1920 “Mary Miller” 119 tons built in Carrickfergus in 1881 sold in 1934 following death of Captain Joe Furlong. > > Captain Peter Furlong - Peter Furlong and his son Laurence Furlong were lost at sea off the West Coast of Ireland in the Great Gale of 6th October 1889 Laurence was only 17. One of the other sons hid under the bed and would not go with them on the journey. They were on the Schooner Claudia owned by Peter Furlong they were sailing to Limerick with a cargo for the first time. They had purchased the ship shortly before that in Belfast. > > Peter Furlong (Jnr) –was born on the 22nd May 1878 > > From 1892 to 1894 he served on the Brigantine Topaz as a boy. > > From 1894 to 1899 he served as a Master on the Schooner L. Furlong > > From 1900 to 1902 he served as a Master on the Schooner Frs. Jane. > > From 1903 to 1903 on the Steam Engine Boat called Oak Branch. 1906 From 1914 to 1917 he was Master of the Ship City of Swansea which was torpedoed. > > He was Master of the SS Echo from 1918 to 1923 when it collided with another steamer on the 26th February 1923 in the North Sea. > > He was Master of SS INO.Peter died in Bristol on the 9th January 1927. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message