Further to my message I have found the dates I need but if anyone has the crew agreement that would be good to see. Timeline Mary Shepherd 15 December 1848 leaves Liverpool 20 December 1848 sailed from UK 4 April 1849 arrived Port Philip 12 May 1849 Melbourne to Guam 7 July 1849 arrived Madras from Ennore 14 July 1849 departed for Calcutta 22 September 1848 departed for UK 28 January 1850 arrived Gravesend from Calcutta John -----Original Message----- From: John Webster Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 7:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Norton AntiSpam][MAR] Mary Shepherd 1849 Port Phillip Hi Does anyone have a crew list for the Mary Shepherd that arrived in Melbourne April 1849? I am particularly interested in men who deserted the ship in Melbourne. I have the master as Captain John Alexander McDonald. And first mate Martin Kemble Johnson who was lost overboard in suspicious circumstances. Surgeon Superintendent, Dr Frederick Thomas West Ford. I know the ship went to Guam after leaving Melbourne but no further. If I knew when it returned to England I could look for the crew agreement at Kew Archives. regards John Webster Perth Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Valerie, William Henry Tucker was master of CARLETON on the date she was registered. Sometime before her next registration (early in 1843 on page 47), Frederick Henry Colpeper became master. Some vessels, esp. coastal colliers, went through several changes of master in a single year. The clerk writing in the names of the successive masters started directly below the vessel name in the hopes of fitting them all in. That is the only significance to FHC's name being below the vessel name. (I've seen some entries where there are three lines worth! of masters' names and the space is so scribbled in that it is difficult to read the next entry.) I sent you two full-page images. Look through all the enrties and I'm sure you'll find vessels with more than one name. Apologies: I no longer have those pages to hand. Regards, Adi >________________________________ > From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> >To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:10:53 PM >Subject: [MAR] Index to Ships Registries 1786-1907 > > >Hi List, > >Can someone please let me know if they know the reason for the following: > > >BT 111/5 page 43 of the Transcripts & Transactions Index to Ships Registries 1786-1907 > >date      no          Ship                        Master                            Weight > > >1840    201      CARLETON          William Tucker                182 6/10th >                        Fredk Hy Colepeper > >I have looked at this document and wonder why the name of Colepeper would be placed underneath the name of the ship.  I know that Colepeper was the master of this ship, but for a sailing  late April 1841 to Singapore.  Could he have been part of the crew of the earlier sailing with Captain Tucker's and then took over during the voyage due to Captain Tucker's illness or something like that? > >I will try to find the crew list and agreement of this voyage to see if Fredk Colepeper was in fact on the ship earlier than 1841. > >Any suggestions of this entry would be much appreciated.  Perhaps someone else has found a similar entry in the registers. > >kind regards >Valerie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Further to my last re the Astrid my wife tells me that the rescue of the trainees and crew by Irish Lifeboats was recorded on video and has now made it on to BBCTV's "Real Rescues," see Ep.19, available to UK viewers on the IPlayer, unless it too has also made its way on to Youtube ? In addition, later in the episode the recording includes an interview with the vessel's captain following the salvaging of the Astrid and his hopes regarding the vessel's future Paul On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:19:39 +0100, Paul Benyon <[email protected]> wrote: >Agree Mike. > >She was based down here at Weymouth back in the 1980s-90s, and was >often crewed by locals, so I'm sure her loss will be felt locally. >Even after her departure to Holland she continued to make occasional >visits and the site of her familiar masts marking the port's skyline >was always good to see. > >Vessels of her type must be getting a bit thin on the ground in these >straightened times, there being few enough opportunities for those >wanting to experience some real sailing that doesn't cost the Earth ? > >Paul > >On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:30:09 +0100, you wrote: > >>I have been following it on the news, >>While its a relief that all onboard were taken off safely the loss of a >>sail training vessel is a real disaster. >>http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0724/464385-tall-ship-astrid/ >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:43 PM >>Subject: [MAR] Loss of the sail training vessel Astrid >> >> >>> >>> The 30 crew and trainees from the 42 metre sail training vessel Astrid >>> were rescued by the RNLI. The Astrid then broke up and sank in the >>> heavy swell - see : >>> >>> http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/10569100.Weymouth_s_former_tall_ship_runs_aground_off_Irish_coastline/?ref=rss >>> >>> http://www.pbo.co.uk/news/534965/tall-ship-astrid-sinks-off-the-cork-coast >>> >>> Paul >>> Isle of Portland >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful privateer. The fortune he made subsequently made a comfortable impact on future generations of my family. Please, can anyone tell me the story/history of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most sincerely appreciated. Warm regards to all the members of this great list, Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah

hello john , my wifes ancestors the ELLIS family from Norfolk England were on this ship , no doubt you have seen the diary from one of the passengers ?? have a feeling that we made contact recently regarding some more of my wifes ancestors ( WALKER/WALLACE ?? ) Brian Johnson > Hi > > Does anyone have a crew list for the Mary Shepherd that arrived in Melbourne April 1849? I am particularly interested in men who deserted the ship in Melbourne. > > I have the master as Captain John Alexander McDonald. And first mate Martin Kemble Johnson who was lost overboard in suspicious circumstances. Surgeon Superintendent, Dr Frederick Thomas West Ford. > > I know the ship went to Guam after leaving Melbourne but no further. If I knew when it returned to England I could look for the crew agreement at Kew Archives. > > regards > > John Webster > Perth Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-requ[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jo Presumably you've looked into whether any likely ships (presumably including HMS Fair Rosamund) might have been at sea in the Madagascar vicinity in August 1835. John's second name might well suggest this. > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:46:17 +0100 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MAR] John Madagascar QUINN - born at sea 1835 > > Apologies if this arrives several times - I have been having a few email problems. > > What are the chances of this man having been born on a naval ship? On all of his own naval paperwork and the census documents his place of birth is given as 'At sea'. > > His father, Daniel Quinn, was on board the HMS Fair Rosamund at that time and I have a record of him being promoted to Armourer's Mate 2 months before the birth. The date of birth is 25th August 1835. His mother's name is Mary Ann Nicholson Quinn (nee Martin). > > I have checked the Forces' birth records on Find My Past and the only one that comes up is an Army birth in Canada in 1836. > > Short of trekking 400 miles to Kew to check the ship's books, is there anywhere else I can look? > > Grateful for anyone's advice. i've been trying to find evidence of this man's birth for at least 10 years! > > > Jo > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will have a look at Kew today. Lauretta Harris London > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:46:17 +0100 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MAR] John Madagascar QUINN - born at sea 1835 > > Apologies if this arrives several times - I have been having a few email problems. > > What are the chances of this man having been born on a naval ship? On all of his own naval paperwork and the census documents his place of birth is given as 'At sea'. > > His father, Daniel Quinn, was on board the HMS Fair Rosamund at that time and I have a record of him being promoted to Armourer's Mate 2 months before the birth. The date of birth is 25th August 1835. His mother's name is Mary Ann Nicholson Quinn (nee Martin). > > I have checked the Forces' birth records on Find My Past and the only one that comes up is an Army birth in Canada in 1836. > > Short of trekking 400 miles to Kew to check the ship's books, is there anywhere else I can look? > > Grateful for anyone's advice. i've been trying to find evidence of this man's birth for at least 10 years! > > > Jo > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Does anyone have a crew list for the Mary Shepherd that arrived in Melbourne April 1849? I am particularly interested in men who deserted the ship in Melbourne. I have the master as Captain John Alexander McDonald. And first mate Martin Kemble Johnson who was lost overboard in suspicious circumstances. Surgeon Superintendent, Dr Frederick Thomas West Ford. I know the ship went to Guam after leaving Melbourne but no further. If I knew when it returned to England I could look for the crew agreement at Kew Archives. regards John Webster Perth Australia

Apologies if this arrives several times - I have been having a few email problems. What are the chances of this man having been born on a naval ship? On all of his own naval paperwork and the census documents his place of birth is given as 'At sea'. His father, Daniel Quinn, was on board the HMS Fair Rosamund at that time and I have a record of him being promoted to Armourer's Mate 2 months before the birth. The date of birth is 25th August 1835. His mother's name is Mary Ann Nicholson Quinn (nee Martin). I have checked the Forces' birth records on Find My Past and the only one that comes up is an Army birth in Canada in 1836. Short of trekking 400 miles to Kew to check the ship's books, is there anywhere else I can look? Grateful for anyone's advice. i've been trying to find evidence of this man's birth for at least 10 years! Jo

Hi List, Can someone please let me know if they know the reason for the following: BT 111/5 page 43 of the Transcripts & Transactions Index to Ships Registries 1786-1907 date no Ship Master Weight 1840 201 CARLETON William Tucker 182 6/10th Fredk Hy Colepeper I have looked at this document and wonder why the name of Colepeper would be placed underneath the name of the ship. I know that Colepeper was the master of this ship, but for a sailing late April 1841 to Singapore. Could he have been part of the crew of the earlier sailing with Captain Tucker's and then took over during the voyage due to Captain Tucker's illness or something like that? I will try to find the crew list and agreement of this voyage to see if Fredk Colepeper was in fact on the ship earlier than 1841. Any suggestions of this entry would be much appreciated. Perhaps someone else has found a similar entry in the registers. kind regards Valerie

Thanks Paul In the area I am researching, two small guns were recovered back in the 70s this has me looking around to see who was carrying such hard ware. I have a report of a merchant vessel 1782 wrecked 10 miles up the coast, on her way home from Jamaica she was carrying 2 six-pounder carriage guns. But just today I found a news paper reference to a previously unknown vessel, this was a 18 Gun French Privateer supposedly foundered near my area of interest also in 1782. I had also forgotten that the early Lloyd's Registers listed the guns carried by vessels, so I now have a lot of new material to play with. Mick O'Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Armed Merchant Vessels Hi Mick For vessels going foreign i.e. Med. W. Indies, E. Indies and Far East I would suggest that merchant vessels were likely to receive attention from various types of piratical vessels.

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:22:14 +0100, Paul Benyon <[email protected]> wrote: >Neopolitan Sorry ! That should read Napoleonic. I keep telling myself not to send mail after midnight ! P 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Greetings. I recall the streets of London in the 1950's being marked out by various cannon i was informed as being left over from European Wars, these being installed muzzle down (vertical) to prevent garbage being deposited down the bore, i thought that we were better behaved than to do that. Perhaps it was street markers from the 1914--1918 war, or maybe 1939--1945. Any of the various wars and usage?? Blackouts?? Peter St Johns one time, now Edmonton Canada On 2013-10-19, at 4:10 PM, "Paul and Valerie" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Peter, > > Thank you also for this further information on the Carleton. This does > appear to be the same ship as one of the crew joined the ship in Hong Kong > December 1841. The date on the Agreement was 30th December 1842 which was > day it arrived in London. > > I found by trawling through Lloyd's List the entry of Fredk Colepeper in the > 1840/41 edition. > > kind regards > Valerie Richards > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > > > Hi Valerie, > > I have found one or two more mentions of the Carleton, under a variation of > the spelling - Carlton - but she's clearly the same ship. She entered out > through customs at London for Singapore on the 12 March 1841, and as I said > before was cleared outwards on the 24 April. On the 7 February 1842 she was > then reported under "China Shipping" as having arrived from SIngapore on the > previous 21 October, but I assume this was at a Chinese port. She was again > reported as having arrived at Gravesend from Singapore on the 29 December > 1842. > > These reports are all rather disjointed, and there is never mention of > Colpeper, but I hope these pieces may help in your jigsaw puzzle. > > Regards, > > PK > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> > To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 > Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' > > > Hi List, > > I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions > series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship > 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing > from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and > Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just > before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has > mentioned that > Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. > > When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few > years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as > mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and > was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in > other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. > > kind regards > Valerie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mick For vessels going foreign i.e. Med. W. Indies, E. Indies and Far East I would suggest that merchant vessels were likely to receive attention from various types of piratical vessels. In the West Indies possibly a hangover from the Neopolitan Wars, when most colonial vessels were liable to be attacked, and it seems that the British were particularly lax on this score until the mid to late 1820s when they started to send naval parties to do something about it, but, from a Naval point of view it didn't really help their point of view, since, when merchant vessels and packets were being robbed regularly anyone who wanted to send valuables to Europe could do so in those days using the R.N. who were paid a percentage of the cargo for transporting it, and so we regularly see naval ships arriving at Portsmouth and Plymouth, from Mexico, various islands in the West Indies and both Coasts of S.America with quite large sums of money for transit to London. But eventually the message seems to have got through, and with many merchant service captains au fait with what was happening crying foul in the newspapers of Jamaica etc., and younger junior RN officers were put in charge of small, fast schooners based almost permanently in the W.I., who wouldn't therefore be entitled to receive monies for transmitting Treasure, but would probably be entitled to prize money for taking out pirates, and with the U.S. Navy started to make inroads into the problem, but it continued for some years on and off. The various states along the coast of North Africa, the Barbary States, were nearly all involved in slavery and piracy around this period, and their frigates were occasionally reported to have been seen in the English Channel during the first 2 decades of the 19th Century, but they seem to have avoided British vessels, although there were reports of British vessels and their crews having been taken, and of course, resulting in the Battle of Algiers (1816), when the British were joined by the Dutch and were able to solve the problem, at least temporarily, but there are occasional reports of ports being blockaded when local chieftains didn't keep their trouble makers in control, and problems continued into the 1850s, and I have a feeling it was one of the reasons the Spanish and French went into North Africa, but I stand to be corrected ? What we now know as the East Indies and the Cost of China were also hot beds of trouble, with piracy being almost endemic in the Straights off Singapore and the nearby East Indies....similarly, the coast of China was often infested with piracy and a constant problem, mostly attacking their own trade, but it wasn't unknown, if the opportunity arose, for them to attack foreign vessels in Chinese waters. But, as to which vessels carried some reasonable ordnance I don't know, it might depend on the captain, and what his plans were, but I would have thought he would have carried sufficient inexpensive guns for the crew to man....and since they all took up room, and big guns could cause a lot of damage on a vessel with light scantling, they would be limited to light cannon which you could stuff full of small shot, stones, langridge and nails etc., in preference to cannon balls, but the greater the distance, the heavier the shot required ! Guns ? But probably guns which could be easily handled by a couple of seamen, perhaps 2-3 pounders and swivels etc., but regret I don't know a lot about the ordnance side of things, although I imagine that there must have been a lot left over from the recent 20+ years of war. iSTR reading that another problem for the merchant vessels was replacing the powder once it ceased to perform the task required of it and that it wasn't unknown for cannon balls being fired from a cannon using old powder to fall into the sea well short of the target ? Plus, of course, when they entered harbour, they were required to deposit the powder in a hulked vessel set aside for that purpose, which cost money. So carrying guns could be expensive, but a case of needs must perhaps - if you didn't carry guns you might find yourself slaughtered, e.g. in the Far East or taken prisoner and used as slaves, as previously noted ? Regards Paul On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:11:06 +0100, "Mick O Rourke" <[email protected]> wrote: >In the period 1775 to about 1825 what type of weapons if any merchant >vessels carry ?. >I am researching an area around Mutton Island Co Clare, north of the Shannon >Estuary, Ireland. >The Island was used as a hideout and storage facility for smugglers through >the 1700s and up to 1820 when a coast guard station was built there, French >privateers were regular visitors I even have a report of a 24 gun American >Privateer 1777. >The two most famous wrecks in the area are the San Marcus, Spanish Armada >1588 and the HMS Martin 1817, but there are also a number of large merchant >vessels recorded lost in the area. >I am looking specifically at merchant vessels crossing the Atlantic both >ways and might have to dodge any of the above threats. > >Mick > >www.irishshipwrecks.ie > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Mick A few years ago now I helped transcribe the application forms for Letters of Marque, in the early years of the nineteenth century. Each describes the ship, the names of the Master, Mate, cook, Carpenter, surgeon and boatswain (this is from memory) and the guns- numbers and size and I think other weaponry (can't remember the terms exactly but small arms). The forms did not give the ship's destinations but did say for how long they were provisioned. As far as I know the database has never been made public but Chris might give you access if you email him at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Best wishes Clare >In the period 1775 to about 1825 what type of weapons if any merchant >vessels carry ?. > I am researching an area around Mutton Island Co Clare, north of the Shannon Estuary, Ireland. The Island was used as a hideout and storage facility for smugglers through the 1700s and up to 1820 when a coast guard station was built there, French privateers were regular visitors I even have a report of a 24 gun American Privateer 1777. The two most famous wrecks in the area are the San Marcus, Spanish Armada 1588 and the HMS Martin 1817, but there are also a number of large merchant vessels recorded lost in the area. I am looking specifically at merchant vessels crossing the Atlantic both ways and might have to dodge any of the above threats. Mick

Thanks Adi I should have said ordnance as opposed to weapons, small canon, swivel guns and the like. How did the merchant men protect them selves . Mick www.irishshipwrecks.ie

I have a document dated 11/10/1894 which says ' brother James Collins 18 years Single Assistant Ships Stewart in Anchor Line presently at home '. He was born in 1876 in N.Ireland. How can I follow this up? I also attach a photo of a relative and was hoping someone would be able to tell me from the insignia on cap / sleeves something about him. Many thanks, Bill

Hi Peter, Thank you very much for the info on T 213,i can now put a name to the photo i have of it. Much obliged. Joe. From: Peter Klein Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:34 PM To: Joe McMillan ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Naval Trawler T 213 Hi Joe, According to uboat.net, T213 was HMS Unst, Isles class trawler, launched by Ferguson Bros. on 28 May 1942, and sold to the Italian Navy in January 1946. See http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/6707.html. There's some account of her history there. Best regards, Peter Klein -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe McMillan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 9:28 Subject: [MAR] Naval Trawler T 213 Hi All, Can anyone put a name to the Naval Trawler Number T 213 built on the Clyde By Ferguson Shipbuilders. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not quite sure on the procedure of how to reply but I would like to thank Peter Klein and Ted Finch for their responses which I think were spot on as Andrew McKean came from Eaglesham, Scotland not far from Port Glasgow. I will follow up on the Cunard Archives at Liverpool. Many thanks, Bill

Hello Valerie, The first actual mention in newspapers of a voyage to Singapore is indeed the one reported in March 1841, although Lloyd's Register for 1840/41, published in July 1840, noted her then destined voyage as London/Singapore.  However, happily I have now found a reference to the same Carleton in the Supplement to Lloyd's Register for 1839/40, and here her master's name was given as Tucker, and a printed annotation gives her first voyage as London to Montevideo.  I find that the Carleton sailed from Deal for Montevideo under Captain Tucker on the 28 June 1840, and was entered back into the London Custom House out from Montevideo on the 16 February 1841, only her name was there spelled "Carlton".  This would therefore seem to have been her first commercial voyage, although not under Captain Colepeper.      As to Frederick Colepeper, I've tried all the variations I can think of in the spelling of his name, but can find no previous mention of him in shipping reports in connection with any vessel.  Curiously, his name does appear in Lloyd's Register published in July 1840 as the named master of the Carleton, only Tucker seems, presumably, to have been still in command in February 1841. A bit of a mystery! Sadly, online Lloyd's Lists (via the Hathi Trust) are only available up until 1826.  As Carleton was registered at London, the port registers should have a record of all her owners while she was homed there, see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/merchant-shipping-registration-1786-1994.htm, and that should provide a full record of all changes, together with notes of any shares that might have been taken by her masters.  It was not uncommon for a master to have a stake, say, 4/64ths or so of the shares in the voyage. I hope this provides some more of your answers, and might be more fruitful. Best regards, PK ________________________________ From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> To: Peter Klein <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 22:59 Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hello Peter, Many thanks for all the information you have sent me.  I'm not sure if you mean in your email that there were 2 voyages to Singapore 1840 and 1841 or was the ship delivered to London in 1840 and it took a year before the lst sailing.  I do have the crew list and agreement from the PRO of the April 1841 voyage which gives details of where the ship sailed to.  The number on the Crew List is 64/1153. Do you think that Captain Colepeper (Colpeper) would have brought her from St Johns to Gravesend? Thanks also for the information about the 2nd ship of same name.  My ancestor Frederick Colepeper unfortunately died in 1848 aged 42 and I fear this 1841 voyage may have been his last.  The spealling of his name often varies but he signs the crew list and agreement as Fredk Hy Colepeper. kind regards Valerie Richards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hello Valerie, I can answer some part of your question. The Carleton was a new ship, a brig, 206 tons, built at St. Johns, New Brunswick, in 1839. Her first master appears to have been Captain Colpeper - she was owned by J. Field of London, and her first voyage was in 1840 to Singapore. She had arrived from St. Johns at Gravesend on the 16 March 1840. She was cleared out of London customs on 24 April 1841 destined for SIngapore, and was at Gravesend the following day. Colpeper was succeeded, probably during 1842, as master by Captain T. Odgers, and she arrived at Portsmouth from Nassau (New Providence) under his command in early August 1843. She also appears to have changed ownership, to an F. Barnes. Carleton was advertised as sailing again for the same destination during the following September. There was, however, another ship named Carleton, a barque, 404 tons, built at New Brunswick in 1834, and owned by Catto & Son of Aberdeen, The sailed frequently to Quebec, and often appears in contemporary shipping reports under various masters. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 14:22 Subject: [MAR] Transcrips/transactions - 'Carleton' Hi List, I am hoping to go to the NA to look at BT 107 Transcripts and Transactions series 1 of the Ships Registries. I am looking for details of a ship 'CARLETON' sailing sometime in 1840. I have a record of the ship sailing from April 1841 to the far east returning Dec 1842 and have Crew List and Agreement, but would like to find out about a voyage that took place just before this and who was the owner and master of that sailing. Abi has mentioned that Fredk Colepeper was on an earlier voyage of the same ship. When I was researching for the crew list and agreement of this ship a few years ago, I only found one crew list and agreement for the 'Carleton' as mentioned above. I telephoned the NA to ask about these crew lists today and was told that there could be crew lists and agreements for the same ship in other files? Can anyone tell me if they have experienced this. kind regards Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message