Graham I have been doing some similar research in relation to HMS Campania II, which was requisitioned in WW1 for service as a 'Drifter' - it dragged drift nets seemingly as part of minesweeping duties!  It was crewed by about 12 Royal Naval Reservists until it sunk off St Abbs Head in March 1917, with the loss of all crew. So there are some similarities to HMS Bianca. Aside from finding a few references to the bodies of 3 of the crew washing ashore, and the details of the sinking, I have drawn a complete blank over many years. No photos were available for such a small HMS, and I could find no service records at The National Archives for my target crew member. But the drifter is definitely referred to as 'HMS'. So if you have any luck, please let me know! regards Dawn >________________________________ > From: Graham Read <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2013, 22:11 >Subject: [MAR] Fwd: HMT Bianca > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Graham Read <[email protected]> >Date: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:03 PM >Subject: HMT Bianca >To: [email protected] > > >My mother-in-law's father, Alfred J Kersey was a trawler skipper in >peacetime, and during WW1 was supposed to have command of 'HMS Bianca'. >Personally I think HMT more likely.  He was RNR. >I have some details of the civilian life of the Bianca as a Hull or Grimsby >trawler but nothing about her wartime [WW1] service beyond that she was >requisitioned as a minesweeper in 1914. >  It is clear that this was a wartime association between AJK and Bianca >since he was in Milford Haven before and after WW1. He died at sea in 1929 >so wasn't involved in the 1941 loss. > >If SKP has got any ideas on where to chase for details of the WW1 service, >or of a picture, I would be most grateful. > >Graham > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Graham Read <[email protected]> Date: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:03 PM Subject: HMT Bianca To: [email protected] My mother-in-law's father, Alfred J Kersey was a trawler skipper in peacetime, and during WW1 was supposed to have command of 'HMS Bianca'. Personally I think HMT more likely. He was RNR. I have some details of the civilian life of the Bianca as a Hull or Grimsby trawler but nothing about her wartime [WW1] service beyond that she was requisitioned as a minesweeper in 1914. It is clear that this was a wartime association between AJK and Bianca since he was in Milford Haven before and after WW1. He died at sea in 1929 so wasn't involved in the 1941 loss. If SKP has got any ideas on where to chase for details of the WW1 service, or of a picture, I would be most grateful. Graham

Hi Liz >I guess it is back to the drawing board for Harold In which case I think it'll is back to the drawing board for both the Medals and for the Service record for Harold George Wheeler, i.e. the Service Number of J19936 for the person you found who received the medals was the same for the person whose service details I found, which was why I was certain that he was your man, the letter J indicating that he had served either as a Seaman or Signalman in the Royal Navy, but if the birth date and place of birth are wrong for this record then I think it suggests you will need to search again for both medal and service records. When enlisting he may have had to join the Army, since by the time the war started the RN, according to many applicants, often appears to have enough men, but the Army never had enough men, even after conscription was introduced, unfortunately however, many of the Army records were destroyed in a bombing raid in 1940, so a service record may not have survived and the medal record may be all that you will find ? Should you wish to search further following that line, then I believe that the Army records are held by ancestry.co.uk. ; see the following web page for the National Archives help guide for Army personnel : <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierafter1913.htm> which includes a link to the Ancestry site. Regards Paul On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 07:28:01 +1100, "liz and john" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi Paul, > >Thank you very much for the information > >I looked at The National Archives site you sent and I am pretty sure that >Archibald is mine . > > I don't think that Harold is.I have Harold being born in Colchester Dec q >1894 whereas the Harold on the Archives site has a birth date of 11th March >1896.The medal details I found had no birth date or place.so I was hoping >that it was my Harold. > >As their father was in the Navy I thought that it was possible that both his >sons had also persued that career. >I guess it is back to the drawing board for Harold > >Thanks once again for you great help > >Liz Maxwell >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 3:30 AM >Subject: Re: [MAR] Wheeler Boys > > >Liz > >His location is described as being "Overseas Royal Navy," I would >therefore suggest that Misc. Locations is where most of the non-UK >census forms were filed, ie those for personnel entitled to be >included in the census, but are serving abroad, all the UK census >forms either being filed with each county or perhaps island etc. > >Paul > >On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:00:15 +1100, "liz and john" ><[email protected]> wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>After the that I recieved from this list about Archer Wheeler. I am hoping >>that someone can help me with his 2 sons. >> >>Archibald John Wheeler was born 1890 Medway Kent >>On the 1911 census I found Archibald J Wheeler age 20 born Gillingham, Kent >>on the List of Officers,Crew and Royal Marineson Board at midnight on >>Sunday ,April 2nd 1911 Misc. Locations >>I also found on the UK,Naval Medal and Awards Roll >> Name Archibald J Wheeler. >> Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal >> Service Year 1914-1920 >> Service Location Europe >> Campaigne or >> Service World War 1 >> Service No. 234599 >> >> >> >>Harold George Wheeler was born Colchester Essex >>On the 1911 census he age 16 and is living at home with his mother Lucy and >>sister Daisy >>I found a UK, Naval Medal and Awards Roll >> Name Harold G Wheeler >> Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal >> Service Year 1914-1920 >> Service Location Europe >> Campaigne or >> Service Worl War 1 >> Service No. J19936 >> >> >>I Have tried looking on The National Archives site for service records but >>was unable to find them. I am hoping that someone can point me in the right >>direction to "prove' that these are my Archibald and Harold. Also what does >>Misc. Locations mean? >> >>Regards >> >>Liz Maxwell >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-re[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi All, After the that I recieved from this list about Archer Wheeler. I am hoping that someone can help me with his 2 sons. Archibald John Wheeler was born 1890 Medway Kent On the 1911 census I found Archibald J Wheeler age 20 born Gillingham, Kent on the List of Officers,Crew and Royal Marineson Board at midnight on Sunday ,April 2nd 1911 Misc. Locations I also found on the UK,Naval Medal and Awards Roll Name Archibald J Wheeler. Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal Service Year 1914-1920 Service Location Europe Campaigne or Service World War 1 Service No. 234599 Harold George Wheeler was born Colchester Essex On the 1911 census he age 16 and is living at home with his mother Lucy and sister Daisy I found a UK, Naval Medal and Awards Roll Name Harold G Wheeler Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal Service Year 1914-1920 Service Location Europe Campaigne or Service Worl War 1 Service No. J19936 I Have tried looking on The National Archives site for service records but was unable to find them. I am hoping that someone can point me in the right direction to "prove' that these are my Archibald and Harold. Also what does Misc. Locations mean? Regards Liz Maxwell

Hello again Jo Seem to remember we've spoken before, some years ago ? Since we last spoke I think I've either made more notes for the Fair Rosamund, or added more info, particularly in respect of her anti-slavery activities, which you can find at : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/F/01709.html Have had a look in the National Archives catalogue for her logs, but only a few of her muster lists are mentioned and it would appear her logs have not survived :-( But, that said, her muster lists should include details of any additional persons, both Naval and Civilian, being carried, in order that the Purser could show the various categories of personnel for whom he had had to provide victuals during the period covered by the muster lists, and make claims accordingly, to match his outgoings in his accounts, which had to be cleared by the Admiralty before he was paid. That said I doubt if pregnant women would have been carried on a vessel involved on the anti-slavery trade on the West Coast of Africa : the White Man's grave was very apt in those days, not only from illnesses acquired when ashore, but also the nature of their work, when slave ships were reluctant to give up without a fight etc. Personally I would have thought that an earlier commission on the frigate Madagascar might be a better target, unless he served on another vessel that may have visited the Island, or perhaps other members of their family, or close friend e.g. god parents, or their parents or uncles etc., may have served on the ship or visited the Island ? Regards Paul On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:46:17 +0100, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: >Apologies if this arrives several times - I have been having a few email problems. > >What are the chances of this man having been born on a naval ship? On all of his own naval paperwork and the census documents his place of birth is given as 'At sea'. > >His father, Daniel Quinn, was on board the HMS Fair Rosamund at that time and I have a record of him being promoted to Armourer's Mate 2 months before the birth. The date of birth is 25th August 1835. His mother's name is Mary Ann Nicholson Quinn (nee Martin). > >I have checked the Forces' birth records on Find My Past and the only one that comes up is an Army birth in Canada in 1836. > >Short of trekking 400 miles to Kew to check the ship's books, is there anywhere else I can look? > >Grateful for anyone's advice. i've been trying to find evidence of this man's birth for at least 10 years! > > >Jo > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Liz His location is described as being "Overseas Royal Navy," I would therefore suggest that Misc. Locations is where most of the non-UK census forms were filed, ie those for personnel entitled to be included in the census, but are serving abroad, all the UK census forms either being filed with each county or perhaps island etc. Paul On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:00:15 +1100, "liz and john" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi All, > >After the that I recieved from this list about Archer Wheeler. I am hoping that someone can help me with his 2 sons. > >Archibald John Wheeler was born 1890 Medway Kent >On the 1911 census I found Archibald J Wheeler age 20 born Gillingham, Kent on the List of Officers,Crew and Royal Marineson Board at midnight on Sunday ,April 2nd 1911 Misc. Locations >I also found on the UK,Naval Medal and Awards Roll > Name Archibald J Wheeler. > Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal > Service Year 1914-1920 > Service Location Europe > Campaigne or > Service World War 1 > Service No. 234599 > > > >Harold George Wheeler was born Colchester Essex >On the 1911 census he age 16 and is living at home with his mother Lucy and sister Daisy >I found a UK, Naval Medal and Awards Roll > Name Harold G Wheeler > Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal > Service Year 1914-1920 > Service Location Europe > Campaigne or > Service Worl War 1 > Service No. J19936 > > >I Have tried looking on The National Archives site for service records but was unable to find them. I am hoping that someone can point me in the right direction to "prove' that these are my Archibald and Harold. Also what does Misc. Locations mean? > >Regards > >Liz Maxwell > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Liz Have had a look in the Catalogue at the National Archives : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/ and I think that this looks like your Archibald : Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services. General series to 1907. Name Wheeler, Archibald John. Official Number: 234599. Place of Birth: Gillingham, Kent. Date of Birth: 11 April 1890. Collection: Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Date range: 01 January 1905 - 31 December 1905 Reference: ADM 188/416/234599 Subjects: Armed Forces (General), Navy and whilst the place of birth doesn't agree, this looks like your Harold George since the service number ties in with the medal : Name Wheeler, Harold George. Official Number: J19936. Place of Birth: Addlestone, Surrey. Date of Birth: Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services. Seamen. Name Wheeler, Harold George. Official Number: J19936. Place of Birth: Addlestone, Surrey. Date of Birth: 11 March 1896. Collection: Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Date range: 01 January 1913 - 31 December 1913 Reference: ADM 188/686/19936 Subjects: Armed Forces (General), Navy and for £3.36 you can download their service records if you take the link from the headline row. Should you have any queries regarding what is on their service record, if you send me a copy of the document you've received from Kew I should be pleased to try and help resolve them. Regards Paul On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:00:15 +1100, "liz and john" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi All, > >After the that I recieved from this list about Archer Wheeler. I am hoping that someone can help me with his 2 sons. > >Archibald John Wheeler was born 1890 Medway Kent >On the 1911 census I found Archibald J Wheeler age 20 born Gillingham, Kent on the List of Officers,Crew and Royal Marineson Board at midnight on Sunday ,April 2nd 1911 Misc. Locations >I also found on the UK,Naval Medal and Awards Roll > Name Archibald J Wheeler. > Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal > Service Year 1914-1920 > Service Location Europe > Campaigne or > Service World War 1 > Service No. 234599 > > > >Harold George Wheeler was born Colchester Essex >On the 1911 census he age 16 and is living at home with his mother Lucy and sister Daisy >I found a UK, Naval Medal and Awards Roll > Name Harold G Wheeler > Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal > Service Year 1914-1920 > Service Location Europe > Campaigne or > Service Worl War 1 > Service No. J19936 > > >I Have tried looking on The National Archives site for service records but was unable to find them. I am hoping that someone can point me in the right direction to "prove' that these are my Archibald and Harold. Also what does Misc. Locations mean? > >Regards > >Liz Maxwell > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi listers I hope you can help me. M y great grandfather William Roskell 1846 -1895, Fleetwood Lancashire On William's marriage certificate 1868 he is listed as a sailor On the birth of son William 1873 he is listed as a mariner' William is listed as a master mariner on my grandmother's birth certificate 1878 - The only census record I can find is 1891, living at Ulverston and he is listed as Channel? Would that be Channel Pilot? With no other census records for William and his wife Elizabeth Jane or their children, would they been on the boats/ships with him. Also William Roskell was a very popular name in Lancashire. Regards Bob I'Anson Hamilton New Zealand-

Afternoon All, In the context of ships’ armament I was pleased recently to see that Lloyd’s Register Book 1764 is now online via the Books, Boxes & Boats site & probably elsewhere with plenty of armed merchantmen shown, as Mick mentions. I’ve not yet fully twigged however the meaning of the ‘Guns' column, ie - ‘B ’ ‘S d/B’ ‘S d S L’ ‘6 2 B’ & similar. Should appreciate any help on that. It’s also indicated that some PDF downloading is possible & that Eric Graham is working on an enhanced search facility. All extremely welcome ! Regards, Geoff [YH ex-pat] > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:57:53 +0100 > Subject: Re: [MAR] Armed Merchant Vessels > > Thanks Paul > In the area I am researching, two small guns were recovered back in the 70s > this has me looking around to see who was carrying such hard ware. I have a > report of a merchant vessel 1782 wrecked 10 miles up the coast, on her way > home from Jamaica she was carrying 2 six-pounder carriage guns. But just > today I found a news paper reference to a previously unknown vessel, this > was a 18 Gun French Privateer supposedly foundered near my area of interest > also in 1782. > I had also forgotten that the early Lloyd's Registers listed the guns > carried by vessels, so I now have a lot of new material to play with. > > Mick O'Rourke > > www.irishshipwrecks.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:22 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Armed Merchant Vessels > > > Hi Mick > > For vessels going foreign i.e. Med. W. Indies, E. Indies and Far East > I would suggest that merchant vessels were likely to receive attention > from various types of piratical vessels. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1891 his occupation is Channel Pilot and another hand has prefixed it with Sea? or Lead? In 1861 1861 England Census about William Reskell Name: William Reskell [William Roskell] Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Reskell Mother's Name: Abigail Reskell Gender: Male Where born: Fleetwood, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Thornton Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Fleetwood County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Fylde Sub-registration District: Poulton le Fylde ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 127 Piece: 3150 Folio: 31 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age James Reskell 53 seaman (MS) Abigail Reskell 51 Thomas Reskell 31 seaman (MS) Ann Reskell 31 William Reskell 14 seaman (MS) Mary E Reskell 12 Abigail Reskell 10 John Reskell 5 (MS = Merchant Service) Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 3150; Folio: 31; Page: 32; GSU roll: 543087. Two children, John & Robert are boarders in 1881 with a Peter BALL wife Abigal (sic Abigail?) No sign of Elizabeth b1878 or parents Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/10/2013 03:21, Robert I'Anson wrote: > Hi listers I hope you can help me. > M y great grandfather William Roskell 1846 -1895, Fleetwood Lancashire > On William's marriage certificate 1868 he is listed as a sailor > On the birth of son William 1873 he is listed as a mariner' > William is listed as a master mariner on my grandmother's birth certificate > 1878 > - The only census record I can find is 1891, living at Ulverston and he is > listed as Channel? Would that be Channel Pilot? > With no other census records for William and his wife Elizabeth Jane or > their children, would they been on the boats/ships with him. Also William > Roskell was a very popular name in Lancashire. > > Regards > Bob I'Anson > Hamilton > New Zealand-

Hi Colin, Whilst looking in the London Gazette using the "Search Archive" option : http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/home.aspx?geotype=London to see if a Captain Robert Beaver was awarded any prize money during the period 1777-1815 I couldn't find any trace of prize money being paid to him using the spelling as above, but a search for a Robert Beaver produced the following hits for an officer in the Militia for what is, ISTR, the adjacent county of Caernarfon : Commiffion signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Carnarvon, [aka Caernarfon].Loyal Newborough Corp of Volunteers. Robert Beaver, Esq; to be Captain, vice R. Currie, resigned. Dated September 17, 1807. Commissions in the Carnarvonshire Local Militia, Robert Beaver, Esq; to be Captain. signed by the Lord Lieutenant. Dated October 24, 1808. The town and county of Caernarfon being just across the water from Anglesey ? Whether these announcements were for the same guy, or for different people I don't know, nor whether they apply to your relative! Such commissions were normally only awarded to men of some standing in the community, which your message suggests was the case here. This, of course, was during the time of the Napoleonic Wars when the Militias were used as a form of Home Guard and armed force that could be sent to other counties, and particularly across the sea to Ireland, where, for religious reasons, there were assumed to be sympathies for the French, and also the fact that on more than one occasion the French landed troops on the West Coast of the Island, without much success. I should perhaps advise that if you can discover the name(s) of any of the privateers that Robert Beaver commanded or was involved with, brief details of the action and any prize money paid to the officers and crew of the vessels would normally be announced in the Gazette, much as for RN vessels. I should also perhaps add that the Gazette appears to have been indexed using OCR, so pages with a poor quality of print, taking into account when the Gazette was printed, may not produce good results and may sometimes omit important information. Regards Paul On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:49:29 -0600, "Colin Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote: >Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful privateer. The fortune he made subsequently made a comfortable impact on future generations of my family. Please, can anyone tell me the story/history of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most sincerely appreciated. > > Warm regards to all the members of this great list, > > Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Dear Roselind, Thanks for your reply. Because of your information I'll be off to the library tomorrow. My regards, Colin -----Some of these are available as e-books- "Privateers" Ben Bova 1932 "Privateers and Pirates 1730-1830" Konstam and McBride 2001 "The privateers" Macintyre 1975 "The privateers" Henry Watson 1907, 1915 "Naval yarns- letters and anecdotes...pirates and privateers 1616-1831" William Long 1972 is there anything about him in the local archives? (I mean in Anglesea and I see you live a long way away!) Clare Oxford Uk Awaiting developments re hurricane. >Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful privateer. The fortune he >made subsequently made a comfortable impact on future generations of my family. Please, can >anyone tell me the story/history of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most sincerely >appreciated. Warm regards to all the members of this great list, Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Paul, Thank you for your kind response. The 1807 Commission for Robert Beaver was the privateer's son. The privateers the father commanded were Juno, twenty four guns, and Hero twenty eight guns. The Juno was in 1778 and the Hero was 1781. Regards, Colin using the spelling as above, but a search for a Robert Beaver produced the following hits for an officer in the Militia for what is, ISTR, the adjacent county of Caernarfon : Commiffion signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Carnarvon, [aka Caernarfon].Loyal Newborough Corp of Volunteers. Robert Beaver, Esq; to be Captain, vice R. Currie, resigned. Dated September 17, 1807. Commissions in the Carnarvonshire Local Militia, Robert Beaver, Esq; to be Captain. signed by the Lord Lieutenant. Dated October 24, 1808. The town and county of Caernarfon being just across the water from Anglesey ? Whether these announcements were for the same guy, or for different people I don't know, nor whether they apply to your relative! Such commissions were normally only awarded to men of some standing in the community, which your message suggests was the case here. This, of course, was during the time of the Napoleonic Wars when the Militias were used as a form of Home Guard and armed force that could be sent to other counties, and particularly across the sea to Ireland, where, for religious reasons, there were assumed to be sympathies for the French, and also the fact that on more than one occasion the French landed troops on the West Coast of the Island, without much success. I should perhaps advise that if you can discover the name(s) of any of the privateers that Robert Beaver commanded or was involved with, brief details of the action and any prize money paid to the officers and crew of the vessels would normally be announced in the Gazette, much as for RN vessels. I should also perhaps add that the Gazette appears to have been indexed using OCR, so pages with a poor quality of print, taking into account when the Gazette was printed, may not produce good results and may sometimes omit important information. Regards Paul On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:49:29 -0600, "Colin Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote: >Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful >privateer. The fortune he made subsequently made a comfortable impact on >future generations of my family. Please, can anyone tell me the >story/history of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most >sincerely appreciated. > > Warm regards to all the members of this great list, > > Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks I will be making a short visit to the Dublin National Archives on Wednesday 27/oct. The Archive hold crew lists for the years 1863 to 1913, Irish ports only. If any one would like a look up I will need vessel name official number and persons name. Its not possible to search this collection for mariners with out a vessel name and or number. For any one needing to check vessels and numbers please visit the Clip web site http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/data.php Mick O'Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com

Re the Beaver. Are we actually talking about Anglesey ? the biggish island off the NW coast ? Or is there a little place somewhere called Anglesea ? Without being picky, it helps to look things up when you spell them right. Then again, in 1748 the spelling of clerks could be erratic. Graham in Cardiff PS Equally awaiting the Great Storm. Shouldn't Rosalind the Fair have signed off with 'Apres moi le deluge'. On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 7:56 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi > > I have had a look in the Burnley Collection of 17th and 18th century > newspapers, but Beavers come up far too often, as fur or for baiting! > There are > many. many books on privateers, maybe a way forward would be to order a few > at your local library and scan the indexes. I think it's a whole field of > research. > > Some of these are available as e-books- > > "Privateers" Ben Bova 1932 > "Privateers and Pirates 1730-1830" Konstam and McBride 2001 > "The privateers" Macintyre 1975 > "The privateers" Henry Watson 1907, 1915 > "Naval yarns- letters and anecdotes...pirates and privateers 1616-1831" > William Long 1972 > is there anything about him in the local archives? (I mean in Anglesea and > I see you live a long way away!) > > Clare > Oxford Uk > Awaiting developments re hurricane. > > >Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful > privateer. The fortune he >made subsequently made a comfortable impact on > future generations of my family. Please, can >anyone tell me the > story/history > of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most sincerely > >appreciated. > > Warm regards to all the members of this great list, > > Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Adi, Thanks again for your reply and answer to my query to the list. I didn't send this query to do as I didn't want to be a pest. I have looked at the 4 entries you have sent to me and have looked through the full page and enlarged them, but cannot remember if there are any others but will look again in a minute. I hope to go soon to the National Archives, but domestic things getting in the way. I think I have a free day and something crops up. When I go I shall look into the Transcriptions and Transactions for the Carleton and let you know what I find. Also will try and look at some crew lists. I hope to have enough time, but maybe will go to London again later in the year. At the moment we have a threatened hurricane which is coming from your side of the world, USA is probably the direction, so hope it is less severe by the time it reaches Kent. kind regards Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Index to Ships Registries 1786-1907 Hello Valerie, William Henry Tucker was master of CARLETON on the date she was registered. Sometime before her next registration (early in 1843 on page 47), Frederick Henry Colpeper became master. Some vessels, esp. coastal colliers, went through several changes of master in a single year. The clerk writing in the names of the successive masters started directly below the vessel name in the hopes of fitting them all in. That is the only significance to FHC's name being below the vessel name. (I've seen some entries where there are three lines worth! of masters' names and the space is so scribbled in that it is difficult to read the next entry.) I sent you two full-page images. Look through all the enrties and I'm sure you'll find vessels with more than one name. Apologies: I no longer have those pages to hand. Regards, Adi >________________________________ > From: Paul and Valerie <[email protected]> >To: Mariners rootsweb <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:10:53 PM >Subject: [MAR] Index to Ships Registries 1786-1907 > > >Hi List, > >Can someone please let me know if they know the reason for the following: > > >BT 111/5 page 43 of the Transcripts & Transactions Index to Ships >Registries 1786-1907 > >date no Ship Master Weight > > >1840 201 CARLETON William Tucker 182 6/10th > Fredk Hy Colepeper > >I have looked at this document and wonder why the name of Colepeper would >be placed underneath the name of the ship. I know that Colepeper was the >master of this ship, but for a sailing late April 1841 to Singapore. Could >he have been part of the crew of the earlier sailing with Captain Tucker's >and then took over during the voyage due to Captain Tucker's illness or >something like that? > >I will try to find the crew list and agreement of this voyage to see if >Fredk Colepeper was in fact on the ship earlier than 1841. > >Any suggestions of this entry would be much appreciated. Perhaps someone >else has found a similar entry in the registers. > >kind regards >Valerie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ted, Many thanks for your information. I shall attempt to contact the site owner for anything he might have on the capture history. Regards, Colin There is an article about him at http://pointlynaslighthouse.com/blog/post.php?s=2012-12-09-pirates-of-the-caribbeanand-point-lynas including a photo of his grave. Unfortunately no details of his captures. May be worth contacting the site owner? regards Ted On 26/10/2013 21:49, Colin Harrison wrote: > Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful > privateer. The fortune he made subsequently made a comfortable impact on > future generations of my family. Please, can anyone tell me the > story/history of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most > sincerely appreciated. > > Warm regards to all the members of this great list, > > Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Graham, Thanks for your kindness in drawing my attention to Anglesea vs. Anglesey. I have also learned that Aberfram is also really Aberffaw. Thanks again, I like to work on the theory that it is what I learn after I know it all that is important. Regards, Colin -----Original Message----- From: Graham Read Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 5:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAR] Robert BEAVER Re the Beaver. Are we actually talking about Anglesey ? the biggish island off the NW coast ? Or is there a little place somewhere called Anglesea ? Graham in Cardiff On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 7:56 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi > > I have had a look in the Burnley Collection of 17th and 18th century > newspapers, but Beavers come up far too often, as fur or for baiting! > There are > many. many books on privateers, maybe a way forward would be to order a > few > at your local library and scan the indexes. I think it's a whole field of > research. > > Some of these are available as e-books- > > "Privateers" Ben Bova 1932 > "Privateers and Pirates 1730-1830" Konstam and McBride 2001 > "The privateers" Macintyre 1975 > "The privateers" Henry Watson 1907, 1915 > "Naval yarns- letters and anecdotes...pirates and privateers 1616-1831" > William Long 1972 > is there anything about him in the local archives? (I mean in Anglesea > and > I see you live a long way away!) > > Clare > Oxford Uk > Awaiting developments re hurricane. > > >Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful > privateer. The fortune he >made subsequently made a comfortable impact on > future generations of my family. Please, can >anyone tell me the > story/history > of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most sincerely > >appreciated. > > Warm regards to all the members of this great list, > > Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Colin, There is an article about him at http://pointlynaslighthouse.com/blog/post.php?s=2012-12-09-pirates-of-the-caribbeanand-point-lynas including a photo of his grave. Unfortunately no details of his captures. May be worth contacting the site owner? regards Ted On 26/10/2013 21:49, Colin Harrison wrote: > Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful privateer. The fortune he made subsequently made a comfortable impact on future generations of my family. Please, can anyone tell me the story/history of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most sincerely appreciated. > > Warm regards to all the members of this great list, > > Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi I have had a look in the Burnley Collection of 17th and 18th century newspapers, but Beavers come up far too often, as fur or for baiting! There are many. many books on privateers, maybe a way forward would be to order a few at your local library and scan the indexes. I think it's a whole field of research. Some of these are available as e-books- "Privateers" Ben Bova 1932 "Privateers and Pirates 1730-1830" Konstam and McBride 2001 "The privateers" Macintyre 1975 "The privateers" Henry Watson 1907, 1915 "Naval yarns- letters and anecdotes...pirates and privateers 1616-1831" William Long 1972 is there anything about him in the local archives? (I mean in Anglesea and I see you live a long way away!) Clare Oxford Uk Awaiting developments re hurricane. >Robert Beaver, born 1748, Aberfram, Anglesea, Wales was a successful privateer. The fortune he >made subsequently made a comfortable impact on future generations of my family. Please, can >anyone tell me the story/history of his captures. Your kindness in doing so would be most sincerely >appreciated. Warm regards to all the members of this great list, Colin Harrison --- in southwest Utah