Eugene, Good discussion, I haven't been able to jump in until now. You are correct - Hannah4 Howland, dau of John3 Howland (John2-1) & Joanna Shove married at Barnstable, 28 Dec. 1732, John Allen not John Fuller. This appears to be based on the fact that John & Hannah Allen named a son "Shove" and that Hannah4 appears to be married in the 1738 will of her father, John3 Howland (although her surname was not given). This marriage is accepted by the society and is found in the Howland 5 generation book, vol. 2. John & Hannah Allen are credited with 2 children, Shove & John - nothing further is known about John, and Shove m. Mary Proctor with no further record, therefore neither of these lines are carried further. As for the marriages of John3 Howland, these were confused in print for many years - Bowman in Mayflower Marriages thought first wife was possibly Abigail Crocker - this error should be noted in our copies and Joanna Shove should replace Abigail Crocker on pg.228. Proof of the Shove marriage was found in a deed dated 20 May 1714 whereby "John Howland acquired land that was "due Joannah, wife of John Howland, whose maiden name was Shove" <North Purchase Proprietors Recs.1:57 as cited in Howland 2:40>. Susan E. Roser www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Hubbard" <hubfam@earthlink.net> To: <MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] John Allen's Wife Hannah Howland > Dear Susan and List: > > OK, Good discussion... > > It has prompted me to search the Internet for Joanna Shove. I got a > very good documented hit right away. The owner of the information has > done a thorough job, althought the proper attribution for the marriage > of 2nd John Howland to Joanna Shove should read 2nd edition (not 2nd > volume) of Mayflower Increasings by Susan E, Rosier. To quote the > paragraph by Roser, found on p.71 of IBID, "10. John HOWLAND^3, b. 30 > Sept. 1672, Barnstable <MD 5:75>; MSR 613>, d. 14 Feb. 1737/8, 63rd yr, > Barnstable g.s. <MD 45:159 (Memorial Insciptions W. Barnstable Cem.)>; > m. 1st, 1704, Barnstable, Joanna SHOVE <White 2:39>, (dau George SHOVE > and Hannah (BACON) Walley, b. 28 Sept. 1678, Taunton <Taunton VR 1:387; > MD 22:92>, d. betw. 8 Jan. 1715 (bth last ch.) - 18 June 1719 (hus.2nd > /Marr.). John m.2nd, 18 June 1719, Barnstable, Mary CROCKER <md > 32:152,33:121>, (dau. of Job CROCKER & Hannah TAYLOR), B. 29 June 1681, > Barnstable <MD 3:151; Otis 1:215>, d. 10 Sept. 1759, 79th yr, Barnstable > g.s. <MQ 45:159 (Memorial Insciptions W. Barnstable Cem.)> (See HOWLAND > probate Appendix for will of John Howland.) <See MBD 2:163; MD 5:75 for > 4 chil. by 1st wf; see MBD 2:163; MD 5:75,33:121 for 2 chil. by 2nd wf.>" > > See the following url for the Internet info: > > http://www.gendex.com/users/rtwgen/mwheeler/d0002/g0000087.html > > By clicking on any highlighted person, one can go to a family of the > person. The numbers in parentheses refer to listed references. > > I have things right thru daughter Hannah, whose mother was Joanna Shove > (whose mg I cited with improper attributions). Acc. to published > records, Hannah's husband was James Fuller of whom nothing further. > > We then have to address why the Hannah, who married John Allen would > have named a son Shove, as did George Gill Howland, a stated son of 3rd > John Howland and unlisted wife (acc. to William T. Davis.).... 3rd John > Howland married (2nd) Mary Crocker. He did not marry Abigail Crocker at > all..neither Davis nor Rosier mentions it. Author Franklyn Howland had > to have guessed at the name of 3rd John's 1st wife.... One Abigail > Crocker married George Gill Howland, mentioned above. She was the dau. > of John Crocker and Hannah (???), b. 1706. > > I propose once again that Hannah (Howland) Allen was the daughter of > Joanna Shove and 3rd John Howland, he the son of 2nd John Howland and > Mary Lee... > > 'Gene Hubbard > > > Susan Taylor wrote: > > > Hi Eugene, et al! > > > > I really have no answer for you on your Hannah HOWLAND hunt but do > > have a bit of info on the Hannah, b. 1708 to John HOWLAND.<SNIP> > > ______________________________