Wilma, As you no doubt know, Bethia CHIPMAN was a gdaughter of John/1 HOWLAND of Mayflower fame via: Hope/2 HOWLAND and John CHIPMAN > John/1 and Elizabeth TILLEY I have a couple of HOWLAND lines but from John's brothers Arthur/1 and Henry/1. I have only to Bethia's parents in my db. Anyways with Bethia a Mayflower descendent no doubt there is oodles of Mayflower interest research out there on her. I just checked the pages I have of the very dated HOWLAND genealogy: Howland, Franklyn, A Brief Genealogical and Biographical History of Arthur, Henry, and John Howland, and Their Descendants, of the United States and Canada, together with an account of the efforts made in England to learn of their English ancestry, etc (Microfiche of First Edition (1885); Sanford, NC: Microfilming Corp. of America, 1979) in custody of the Memphis Public Library. It quits at Bethia's Mom p. 324 saying only she was "... b. 30, 8, 1629; d. 8, 1, 1684; m. as early as 1646, John Chipman..." They had sons John - graduated from Harvard and Samuel who was father of Judge Nathaniel Chipman who was in the Rev, U.S. Senator and chief justice of Vermont. It says nothing about their other children. This genealogy is notorious for following only the male lines. <groan and moan> Davis's Landmarks of Ancient Plymouth (a dated source with errors) CHIPMAN's section doesn't give names of who the issue of John and Hope married: http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/plyalpgr_c1.html#chipman The GALE section doesn't have any info for you either: http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/plyalpgr_g.html#gale Those sources, Davis and the HOWLAND genealogy, are again very dated and should really only be used for leads. More up-to-date sources: Torrey, p. 291 didn't know GALE's given name either. TGMB only covers the issue of the immigrant: Anderson, Robert Charles, The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to NewEngland 1620-1633, Vols. I-III (Boston: NEHGS, 1995). I believe there is a concise genealogy out on John HOWLAND by the Mayflower Society: http://www.mayflower.org/book.htm Other good Mayflower sources are: Rosser's Mayflower Increasings, I, II (2nd; Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc, 1989). Roser and Bowman's Family tree maker's Mayflower vital records, deeds and wills, 1600s-1900s (CD; Novato, CA : Broderbund, 1997) Websites to search: http://www.cyndislist.com/surn-gen.htm http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/script/main/rw http://lists.rootsweb.com/ I suspect nothing I've told you is news for you do have Bethia's vitals but you didn't give any of your sources soooo thought I'd send this along anyways incase.... --- Susan SGTAYLOR1@att.net My Genealogy Website - sgt http://home.att.net/~SGTAYLOR1/ ----------------------------------------------- USGW Mansfield, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcmansf/ USGW New London, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnewlo/ USGW Norwich, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnorwi/ USGW Windham, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcwindh/ USGW Coordinator Plymouth Co., MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maplymou/ USGW Plymouth, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/ ********************************************************* At 05:50 AM 3/23/03 -0800, Wilma Fleming Haynes wrote: >I am looking for the following - I am in hopes one of you will know the >answers - cuz, I'm not doing so well in straightening them out. I am sorry >if some of you are getting this more than once - I am sending it to other >lists - > >2. BETHIA CHIPMAN d/o John 2) CHIPMAN & > Mary SKIFF > b. 11 July 1666 Plymouth, Plymouth, MA > d. ......... Barnstable, Barnstable, MA > md1) <1687> Barnstable, Barnstable, MA > TO: > ...... GALE s/o ........... > b. ........... > d. ........... > > Child of Bethia CHIPMAN & Mr. GALE was: > > i. Mary GALE > b. ........ > d. ........ > > md2) 169- Barnstable, Barnstable, MA > TO: > Timothy 3) DIMMOCK s/o Shubael 2) and > Joanna 2) [BURSLEY] DIMMOCK > b. Mar 1668 Barnstable, Barnstable, MA > d. 1718 Ashfield, Franklin, MA > > Child of Bethia CHIPMAN & Timothy > DIMMOCK was: > > i. Jabez 4) DIMMOCK > b. <1699> Barnstable, Barn- > stable, MA > d. .......... > md. 5 Dec 1722 Boston, Suffolk > Massachusetts > TO: > Mary/Molly NEWCOMB > b. 4 Mar 1701 Sandwich, Barn- > stable, Massachusetts > d. bef 1734. > Timothy 2) DIMMOCK > md2) abt 1700 at ........... > TO: > unknown > > Child of Timothy 2) DIMMOCK & ..... > > i. Silence 3) DIMMOCK > b. .......... > d. .......... > > Timothy 2) DIMMOCK > md3) Feb 1702 Mansfield, Tolland, CT > TO: > Abigail 2) DOANE d/o Daniel 1) DOANE & > Constance 2) SNOW > b. abt 1675 Eastham, Barnstable, MA > d. July 1764 Windham, Windham, CT > > Children of Timothy 2) DIMMOCK & > Abigail 2) DOANE were: > > 1. Timothy DIMMOCK b. 2 June 1703 > md 1725 TO: Miriam 4) FULLER > [Nathaniel3,Jonathan2,Robert1] > > ii. John DIMMOCK b. 28 Jan 1705 > md 1728 TO: Hannah KIMBALL > > iii. Shubael DIMMOCK b. 27 May 1707 > md1) 1731 TO: Pricilla HOVEY > md2) 1747 TO: Eunice MARSH > md3) 1768 TO: Sarah KNOWLTON > > iv. Daniel DIMMOCK b. 28 Jan 1709 > md 1732 TO: Mary TIRRELL > > v. Israel DIMMOCK b. 22 Dec 1712 > md <1733> TO: Elizabeth FOLLETT > > vi. Ebenezer DIMMOCK b. 22 Nov 1715 > md 1739 TO: Mary KEYS > > >Thank you very much > >Wilma Fleming Haynes >gencon@harborside.com > > >==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== > ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== > +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ > =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= > ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237