That Jacobus paper was, as the kids used to say, a gas! There may be some useful info there, but I had so much fun reading it I couldn't stop to catalog and analyse. It was FUN! Thanks for the citation. Can you provide a citation for the statement that Katherine was a dau. of Gabriel? That was the only hypothesis I could come to from my reading, but I had no "authority" to quote. Thanks for your help. Stew Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Harlow Chandler To: Stewart Rowe Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] Walden and Wheldon, 1630s Stewart Rowe wrote: These two ladies apparently came out of nowhere to marry in Plymouth in 1638 and 1639. Ann Walden married John Smalley/Smaley in Plymouth 29 Nov. 1638. Katherine Wheldon married Giles Hopkins in Plymouth 19 Oct. 1639. I have found nothing in MD, NEHGR, or GMB as to the parents of either of them. Perhaps someone who is more skilled in Plymouth genealogy than I am, knows something about their parents. Stew Rowe Katherine Whelden was the daughter of Gabriel Whelden. You may be poking at a hornets' nest here. There are some who believe that Katherine's mother was an Indian--it seems to be an article of faith, there being no proof that I've heard of. For one statement of the opposing view you could look at the Jacobus article here if you're not already familiar with it--a little way into the article it gets to Katherine, but the whole thing is interesting. I'll be interested to see whether the usual dispute over Katherine's mother erupts. www.murrah.com/gen/jacobus.doc

Stewart Rowe wrote: > >Can you provide a citation for the statement that Katherine was a dau. of Gabriel? > I don't have the GSMD Hopkins book, which probably covers this, but there's a NEHG Register article, "Stephen Hopkins and his Descendants" from 1948, vol. 102, p. 48, which says, "Catherine Whelden...daughter of Gabriel Whelden of Yarmouth" [and mentions that that letter to John Shanvat is in Pope's _Pioneers of Massachusetts_, p. 489]. I find the assertion in several older books, but none of them bother to mention what proof there is. I read the Hawes article in the Cape Cod Library series which was mentioned, and this has the most information on Gabriel of anything I have on hand, and he says Catherine was "probably" Gabriel's daughter. Perhaps the fact that Giles Hopkins was in Yarmouth at the time and there weren't a whole lot of Wheldens around is all there is, but I don't know. There seem to be many opinions about this family and not much hard information in what I have been able to find.