Susan, Thank you for the information. It is quite helpful. I research English Churchill families so I am familiar with the Ottery Saint Mary registers. I discovered Robert while researching Devon Rockbeare Churchills. Robert was a follower of the Rev. Joseph Hull an Anglican non-conformist of the type that later became Congregationalists. I've been trying to put together Robert's family group from Martin researchers on the Martin List but have received conflicting information. I agree when you say many early Martin sources are mixed up. After receiving your message I checked the LDS (IGI M002761) batch file (this is the real parish register listing without all the "submitter" trash) and found a baptism record for your John son of Richard bp 1653. It says he was baptised 20 JAN 1653 and lists his parents as Richard "Martyn" with mother "Eliza." Thank you, I had no way of knowing this was the Rehoboth Richard. I did not find a baptism for the daughter c.1649 but did find several Annis, Anne & Agnes -- those were common female names among OSM Martins. It turns out that the IGI is not complete for OSM so this may be why there is no listing for your Ann/Agnes. Martin List researchers do have conflicting information. Some have Richard with wife Elizabeth Salter and 2nd married to Judith Upham the younger sister of Robert's wife Johanna. The LDS IGI (the real IGI) for OSM has quite a number of Martins but no one I recognize as Robert and no Johanna Upham -- or any Uphams for that matter. I checked the Batcombe, Somerset registers and did not find Robert -- and no other Martins save a single Christopher Martin. However, church registration only started late in the 16th century so Robert's age is pushing a bit the time for registries. Questions: Do you know if there is will/probate for Richard? Do you have background information on Richard Martin? From what I have learned he certainly wasn't in any hurry to assume his brother's Rehoboth freehold. Devon records suggest he had something to do with maritime shipping or commerce -- ship's officer, owner's agent, owner or part owner. One record suggests he captained the bark Blessing. Which class of gentry was Richard? Regards, Bill Churchill -----Original Message----- From: Susan Taylor [mailto:SGTaylor1@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:00 PM To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony Richard Martin Bill, At 09:39 AM 1/8/03 -0600, you wrote: Does anyone on the list have the children of the early Richard Martin of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony? This Richard Martin was the younger brother of Robert Martin the first Martin settler of Rehoboth. Richard came to the colony sometime between 1668 and 1689 and was married to Judith Upham. Going to start at the end of your message. Richard was married to Elizabeth SALTER per: 1. Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Supplement to Torrey's New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., t1991), p. 46. [Her source: NEHGR 127:28]. "MARTYN, Richard & Elizabeth SALTER; m 9 June 1630 Ottery St Mary, co Devon." 2. Harriet W. Hodge, Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Descendants of the Pilgrims Who landed at Plymouth, Mass. December 1620: Edward Winslow - John Billington, Vol. Five (Billington section) (Plymouth, MA: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1991), p. 46. [Her source: Ottery Saint Mary Church, 1601-1837, p. 283]. "JOHN MARTIN, bp. Ottery St. Mary, Devonshire, England 20 Jan. 1652/3, d. Rehoboth 28 Aug. 1720; son of Richard and Elizabeth (Salter) Martin.[4] 3. Clarence Almon Torrey, New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985), p. 492. "MARTIN, Richard (-1694?, 1695?) (bro of Abraham) & Elizabeth SALTER (is this reliable?); 9 Jun 1631, b 1633; Rehoboth." Robert was married to Joanna UPHAM per: 1. Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Supplement to Torrey's New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991), p. 46. [Her source: NEHGR 127:28]. "MARTIN, Robert & Joanna UPHAM; m 16 Nov 1618 Ottery St Mary, co Devon." 3. Clarence Almon Torrey, New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985), p. 493. "MARTIN, Robert .... & Joanna UPHAM (1591-1669?) (sis of John); prob bef 1620...." As to the children of Richard and Elizabeth (SALTER) MARTIN, at this time I have only 2 issues listed for them. There may be more but I haven't stumbled on them yet. I have: 1. Annis/Anne/Agnes/ b. c1649 prob in Eng.- d. 1730 Barrington, Bristol Co. MA - now in RI. She married 1670 in Swansea Joseph/2 CHAFFEE. They are my ancestors. 2. John bp. 1653 Ottery St. Mary's Church, Devonshire, England - died 1720 Rehoboth, MA. His first marriage 1681 in Rehoboth was to Mercy/3 BILLINGTON and second marriage 1719 Rehoboth to Abigail READ. These are the only issue I have for them at this time. Richard was not only brother of Robert but of Abraham too. The CHAFFEE genealogy says on p. 21, in "book two of the Rehoboth Land Records... Richard Martin acknowledged having given to his son-in-law, Joseph Chaffee, 'ffourteen pounds estate in commonage,' in Rehoboth, which was given him by the will of his brother, Robert Martin." and Torrey, p. 492, says Richard was brother of Abraham. Probably the only sure source of issue for Richard and Elizabeth (SALTER) MARTIN are the church registries of Ottery St. Mary's Church, Devonshire, England. Any children for them would have had to be born before they immigrated because they were probably in their 50 and 60s. The LDS/FHC probably have the church registries on microfilm. You really have to be careful in any data/research done on any early New England Richard MARTIN for there were several Richard MARTIN progenitor/immigrants. Many many early sources have really mixed up on their Richard info by crediting info to the wrong Richards.

***Questions: *** ***Do you know if there is will/probate for Richard? Bill and Susan, I know nothing about this family, but these entries from (reprint) Rounds, H.L.Peter,_Abstracts of Bristol County, Massachusetts Probate Records, 1687-1745_(Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., 1996) pp. 10-1 might be something you'd be interested in. "Will of RICHARD MARTEN of Reho., dtd. 2 June 1686, prob. 7 May 1695. 3 chldn. now in New Engl.: John Martin, Grace Ormsby & Annis Chaffee. Sons Richard & Francis, both of whom are 'now in Old England.' 2 sons[not named] of my son Francis, and John eldest son of son Richard, if these grchldn come over from England to New England to live. John Ormsby eldest son of dau. Grace. Friends Deacon Samuel Newman & William Carpenter, Overseers. Witns: William Carpenter, Thomas Read & Stephen Paine [1:120]" (pp 10-1) Also p. 10 "Inv. of Est. of RICHARD MARTEN of Reho.., dtd 7 May 1695, pres. by son John Marten. Apprs: Samuel Newman, John Peck & William Carpenter [1:119]" "Acct. of Est. of RICHARD MARTEN by John Marten, son & Exec. mentions Annis Chaffee, sister of John Marten, dtd. 9 May 1695 [1:119]"