Susan, Thank you for the information. It is quite helpful. I research English Churchill families so I am familiar with the Ottery Saint Mary registers. I discovered Robert while researching Devon Rockbeare Churchills. Robert was a follower of the Rev. Joseph Hull an Anglican non-conformist of the type that later became Congregationalists. I've been trying to put together Robert's family group from Martin researchers on the Martin List but have received conflicting information. I agree when you say many early Martin sources are mixed up. After receiving your message I checked the LDS (IGI M002761) batch file (this is the real parish register listing without all the "submitter" trash) and found a baptism record for your John son of Richard bp 1653. It says he was baptised 20 JAN 1653 and lists his parents as Richard "Martyn" with mother "Eliza." Thank you, I had no way of knowing this was the Rehoboth Richard. I did not find a baptism for the daughter c.1649 but did find several Annis, Anne & Agnes -- those were common female names among OSM Martins. It turns out that the IGI is not complete for OSM so this may be why there is no listing for your Ann/Agnes. Martin List researchers do have conflicting information. Some have Richard with wife Elizabeth Salter and 2nd married to Judith Upham the younger sister of Robert's wife Johanna. The LDS IGI (the real IGI) for OSM has quite a number of Martins but no one I recognize as Robert and no Johanna Upham -- or any Uphams for that matter. I checked the Batcombe, Somerset registers and did not find Robert -- and no other Martins save a single Christopher Martin. However, church registration only started late in the 16th century so Robert's age is pushing a bit the time for registries. Questions: Do you know if there is will/probate for Richard? Do you have background information on Richard Martin? From what I have learned he certainly wasn't in any hurry to assume his brother's Rehoboth freehold. Devon records suggest he had something to do with maritime shipping or commerce -- ship's officer, owner's agent, owner or part owner. One record suggests he captained the bark Blessing. Which class of gentry was Richard? Regards, Bill Churchill -----Original Message----- From: Susan Taylor [mailto:SGTaylor1@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:00 PM To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony Richard Martin Bill, At 09:39 AM 1/8/03 -0600, you wrote: Does anyone on the list have the children of the early Richard Martin of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony? This Richard Martin was the younger brother of Robert Martin the first Martin settler of Rehoboth. Richard came to the colony sometime between 1668 and 1689 and was married to Judith Upham. Going to start at the end of your message. Richard was married to Elizabeth SALTER per: 1. Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Supplement to Torrey's New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., t1991), p. 46. [Her source: NEHGR 127:28]. "MARTYN, Richard & Elizabeth SALTER; m 9 June 1630 Ottery St Mary, co Devon." 2. Harriet W. Hodge, Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Descendants of the Pilgrims Who landed at Plymouth, Mass. December 1620: Edward Winslow - John Billington, Vol. Five (Billington section) (Plymouth, MA: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1991), p. 46. [Her source: Ottery Saint Mary Church, 1601-1837, p. 283]. "JOHN MARTIN, bp. Ottery St. Mary, Devonshire, England 20 Jan. 1652/3, d. Rehoboth 28 Aug. 1720; son of Richard and Elizabeth (Salter) Martin.[4] 3. Clarence Almon Torrey, New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985), p. 492. "MARTIN, Richard (-1694?, 1695?) (bro of Abraham) & Elizabeth SALTER (is this reliable?); 9 Jun 1631, b 1633; Rehoboth." Robert was married to Joanna UPHAM per: 1. Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Supplement to Torrey's New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991), p. 46. [Her source: NEHGR 127:28]. "MARTIN, Robert & Joanna UPHAM; m 16 Nov 1618 Ottery St Mary, co Devon." 3. Clarence Almon Torrey, New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985), p. 493. "MARTIN, Robert .... & Joanna UPHAM (1591-1669?) (sis of John); prob bef 1620...." As to the children of Richard and Elizabeth (SALTER) MARTIN, at this time I have only 2 issues listed for them. There may be more but I haven't stumbled on them yet. I have: 1. Annis/Anne/Agnes/ b. c1649 prob in Eng.- d. 1730 Barrington, Bristol Co. MA - now in RI. She married 1670 in Swansea Joseph/2 CHAFFEE. They are my ancestors. 2. John bp. 1653 Ottery St. Mary's Church, Devonshire, England - died 1720 Rehoboth, MA. His first marriage 1681 in Rehoboth was to Mercy/3 BILLINGTON and second marriage 1719 Rehoboth to Abigail READ. These are the only issue I have for them at this time. Richard was not only brother of Robert but of Abraham too. The CHAFFEE genealogy says on p. 21, in "book two of the Rehoboth Land Records... Richard Martin acknowledged having given to his son-in-law, Joseph Chaffee, 'ffourteen pounds estate in commonage,' in Rehoboth, which was given him by the will of his brother, Robert Martin." and Torrey, p. 492, says Richard was brother of Abraham. Probably the only sure source of issue for Richard and Elizabeth (SALTER) MARTIN are the church registries of Ottery St. Mary's Church, Devonshire, England. Any children for them would have had to be born before they immigrated because they were probably in their 50 and 60s. The LDS/FHC probably have the church registries on microfilm. You really have to be careful in any data/research done on any early New England Richard MARTIN for there were several Richard MARTIN progenitor/immigrants. Many many early sources have really mixed up on their Richard info by crediting info to the wrong Richards.

Bill, At 09:39 AM 1/8/03 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone on the list have the children of the early Richard Martin of >Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony? > >This Richard Martin was the younger brother of Robert Martin the first >Martin settler of Rehoboth. Richard came to the colony sometime between >1668 and 1689 and was married to Judith Upham. Going to start at the end of your message. Richard was married to Elizabeth SALTER per: 1. Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Supplement to Torrey's New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., t1991), p. 46. [Her source: NEHGR 127:28]. "MARTYN, Richard & Elizabeth SALTER; m 9 June 1630 Ottery St Mary, co Devon." 2. Harriet W. Hodge, Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Descendants of the Pilgrims Who landed at Plymouth, Mass. December 1620: Edward Winslow - John Billington, Vol. Five (Billington section) (Plymouth, MA: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1991), p. 46. [Her source: Ottery Saint Mary Church, 1601-1837, p. 283]. "JOHN MARTIN, bp. Ottery St. Mary, Devonshire, England 20 Jan. 1652/3, d. Rehoboth 28 Aug. 1720; son of Richard and Elizabeth (Salter) Martin.[4] 3. Clarence Almon Torrey, New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985), p. 492. "MARTIN, Richard (-1694?, 1695?) (bro of Abraham) & Elizabeth SALTER (is this reliable?); 9 Jun 1631, b 1633; Rehoboth." Robert was married to Joanna UPHAM per: 1. Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Supplement to Torrey's New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991), p. 46. [Her source: NEHGR 127:28]. "MARTIN, Robert & Joanna UPHAM; m 16 Nov 1618 Ottery St Mary, co Devon." 3. Clarence Almon Torrey, New England Marriages Prior to 1700 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985), p. 493. "MARTIN, Robert .... & Joanna UPHAM (1591-1669?) (sis of John); prob bef 1620...." As to the children of Richard and Elizabeth (SALTER) MARTIN, at this time I have only 2 issues listed for them. There may be more but I haven't stumbled on them yet. I have: 1. Annis/Anne/Agnes/ b. c1649 prob in Eng.- d. 1730 Barrington, Bristol Co. MA - now in RI. She married 1670 in Swansea Joseph/2 CHAFFEE. They are my ancestors. 2. John bp. 1653 Ottery St. Mary's Church, Devonshire, England - died 1720 Rehoboth, MA. His first marriage 1681 in Rehoboth was to Mercy/3 BILLINGTON and second marriage 1719 Rehoboth to Abigail READ. These are the only issue I have for them at this time. Richard was not only brother of Robert but of Abraham too. The CHAFFEE genealogy says on p. 21, in "book two of the Rehoboth Land Records... Richard Martin acknowledged having given to his son-in-law, Joseph Chaffee, 'ffourteen pounds estate in commonage,' in Rehoboth, which was given him by the will of his brother, Robert Martin." and Torrey, p. 492, says Richard was brother of Abraham. Probably the only sure source of issue for Richard and Elizabeth (SALTER) MARTIN are the church registries of Ottery St. Mary's Church, Devonshire, England. Any children for them would have had to be born before they immigrated because they were probably in their 50 and 60s. The LDS/FHC probably have the church registries on microfilm. You really have to be careful in any data/research done on any early New England Richard MARTIN for there were several Richard MARTIN progenitor/immigrants. Many many early sources have really mixed up on their Richard info by crediting info to the wrong Richards. --- Susan SGTAYLOR1@att.net My Genealogy Website - sgt http://home.att.net/~SGTAYLOR1/ ----------------------------------------------- USGW Mansfield, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcmansf/ USGW New London, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnewlo/ USGW Norwich, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnorwi/ USGW Windham, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcwindh/ USGW Coordinator Plymouth Co., MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maplymou/ USGW Plymouth, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/ ********************************************************* > > >Bill Churchill > > > > > > > >==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== > ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== > +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ > =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= > ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does anyone on the list have the children of the early Richard Martin of Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony? This Richard Martin was the younger brother of Robert Martin the first Martin settler of Rehoboth. Richard came to the colony sometime between 1668 and 1689 and was married to Judith Upham. Bill Churchill

Good question.....glad Elizabeth answered that...as I was wondering myself. > > >Please tell me what Candlemas Day is and then the particulars regarding > > the Candlemas Day massacre.<< -- Administrator for Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) http://archiver.rootsweb.com and put Ma-Bay-Colony in the box > In a message dated 1/6/03 6:15:57 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Kat0952@aol.com > Here you go, google to the rescue <VBG> > Eliz > Candlemas is a traditional Christian festival that commemorates the ritual > purification of Mary 40 days after the birth of her son.   It also marks the > presentation of the infant Jesus in the temple.  Christians were observing > this holiday in Jerusalem as early as the 4th Century A.D.   This goes back > to a Jewish tradition that women were considered unclean after the birth of a > child and were not permitted to enter the Temple to  worship.  This was 40 > days after the birth of a  son and 60 days after the birth of a daughter.  At > the end of the 40 or 60 days, the mother was brought to the Temple or > synagogue and ritually purified.  Now she can go to religious services again, > and generally go out in public.  So we celebrate the ritual Purification of > the Virgin Mary, the specified forty days after she gave birth to Jesus (or, > we used to.) > > > http://boe.cabe.k12.wv.us/ona/candlemas.html > > > > > > ==== MA-BAY-COLONY Mailing List ==== > New Hampshire: > Strafford County NHStraff-L@rootsweb.com > Rockingham County NHRockin-L@rootsweb.com > list moderator: BunnyDust@attbi.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I would like to know if anyone has any information about the following CLARKE/CLARK family of Middleboro (abt 1880s). My great-grandfather, Gilbert Tripp CLARKE, did not like to talk about where he was from. On a recent trip to RI, I obtained his death certificate from the North Kingstown Town Hall and found out the following: Name: Gilbert T. CLARKE Date of Birth: October 27, 1882 Father's Name: Okes CLARKE Father's Birthplace: Middleboro, MA Mother's Name: Ellen PAUN Mother's Birthplace: Middleboro, MA Date of Death: March 29, 1954 Then, from the 1880 Federal Census (Lakeville, Plymouth, MA), I found an Oakes A.J. (b. ~1846) and Ellen A. CLARK (b. ~1844)(whose maiden name was PAREN, they lived with her mother, Sarah PAREN (b. ~1801)) and two children, Willard O. CLARK (b. ~1871) and Earnest W. CLARK (b. ~1873). I found a Gilbert CLARKE in the 1900 Rhode Island Federal Census (Providence, RI) age 18, born in May 1882. The Middleboro Public Library told me there was a Gilbert CLARK in the Middleboro Town Records, but did not elaborate other than to say that the 'E' was not on his name in the record. I had intended to travel to Middleboro during my last trip, but time ran out. If anyone has any information about this CLARKE/CLARK family, please let me know. Thanks, Stephanie P.S. Does anyone know the cost of obtaining a copy of birth certificates from the Middleboro Town Clerk?

found these and thought I would share them. Census and formation maps Northern Maps http://www.negenealogy.com/ngo03.htm Southern Maps http://www.segenealogy.com/sgo03.htm Chas

"... so for what I paid for two one can now get all of them. I die a little whenever someone does this, but..." I had to sigh when I read those words. I think I was the last person to pay the full, high price for those CD ROMS. The day after I ordered them at $99, I saw one of the disks for $39. Well, they were still a good buy. I must say, though, that of those I have purchased (Middlesex, Essex, Plymouth, Suffolk), I find Plymouth the hardest to use. Kendall Mellem

Hi Dale, Yes, it does contain images of the pages from the tan series books which are out of copyright. It does not contain the newer VRs such as the Plymouth Twp. book, but instead has Bowman's Plymouth Twp. VR from MD. Those VR which use MD are presented in text and image form so those are searchable by word whereas the images from the tan series use the index of the book itself. In my opinion these S&R CDs are a very good buy. As you probably know, the bundle of all the MA VR CDs from S&R is available for about half the combined price of the CDs sold separately. If you anticipate also getting into Barnstable, Bristol, and Norfolk you could buy the whole commonwealth set for the price of those four separately. This offer was not available when I bought mine--in fact the individual prices were twice what they are now when I bought mine, so for what I paid for two one can now get all of them. I die a little whenever someone does this, but... I imagine you already have Brockton, Bridgewater, etc., but the CD has Bridgewater in the NEHGS series as well as every word searchable from MD, East Bridgewater and West Bridgewater and Brockton from the NEHGS series. ***-----Original Message----- ***From: Dale H Cook [mailto:radiotest@juno.com] ***Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 6:51 AM ***To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [PLY/MA] Search & ReSearch Plymouth VRs CD *** *** ***Do any of you own the Search & ReSearch CD-ROM "Early Vital Records of ***the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to about 1850" for Plymouth County? I'm ***considering buying it and would like to know if it contains the complete ***text of the NEHGS VRs volumes for the towns of the county. *** ***Dale H. Cook ***USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns ***http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html *** *** ***==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== *** ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== *** +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ *** =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= *** ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== *** ***============================== ***To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy ***records, go to: ***http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 *** ***

Do any of you own the Search & ReSearch CD-ROM "Early Vital Records of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to about 1850" for Plymouth County? I'm considering buying it and would like to know if it contains the complete text of the NEHGS VRs volumes for the towns of the county. Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

In the 1900 census Otis Longfellow is a widow with his 5 daughters in Scituate. His wife was Annie (S. ?) Lauer b. in Illinois, her parents were both born in Germany. I would like to find out more information about her. The last 3 children were born in Massachusetts, the last being April of 1896 so she died between then & 1900. He continued to live in Scituate. Any information about Annie would be very helpful and much appreciated. ~ Thanks

Greetings and Happy New Year We have 11 new cemetery transcriptions online at the USGENWEB Tombstone Transcription Project all in Plymouth Town http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/massachusetts/plymouth.html Names can easily be searched at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm e.g. Type Savery and select oMA and you will see 14 matching files Cemeteries are: Oak Grove-Vine Hills Cemetery (18 parts) Pt1 Pt2 Pt3 Pt4 Pt5 Pt6 Pt7 Pt8 Pt9 Pt10 Pt11 Pt12 Pt13 Pt14 Pt15 Pt16 Pt17 Pt18 http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/o gvh01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/o gvh02.txt ... http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/o gvh18.txt West Long Pond Rd Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/w longpnd.txt South Pond Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/s opond.txt Savery Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/s avery.txt Lucas Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/l ucas.txt Jordan Rd Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/j ordanrd.txt Indian Burial Ground http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/i ndnburl.txt Unknown-Herring Way Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/h errngwy.txt Faunce Memorial Church Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/f auncech.txt Unknown-Factory Ln Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/f actryln.txt Cedarville Cemetery http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ma/plymouth/towns/plymouth/cemeteries/c edarvil.txt

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This was sent over one of Roots Web list's - thought it important enough to send it to the Massachusetts lists - PLEASE SPREAD THIS AROUND FAST !! your future research depends on this bill to fail in the MA state Senate !!! those of you in the state of Massachusetts CONTACT YOUR STATE SENATORS NOW !!! Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Sergeant <info@genealogyfair.com> Reply-To: info@genealogyfair.com To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAMIDDLE] Massachusetts Vital Records Closed with H5158 bill passage! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MASSACHUSETTS HOUSE BILL H5158 - OPEN RECORDS CLOSED! The Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MDPH) initiative to RESTRICT the current and historically OPEN vital records of the Commonwealth with House Bill H5158 HAS PASSED THE MA HOUSE TODAY December 30, 2002! All that remains is the Massachusetts Senate and Exiting Governors rubber stamp & Did YOU have the opportunity to review the text and give your testimony in HEARINGS? NO! Do you even have ACCESS to the H5158 text? NO! Behind closed doors and in the hallways of the legislature, taking advantage of the informal sessions, Lame Duck status and holidays, a handful of people have take away YOUR RIGHTS to YOUR HERITAGE! CONTACT YOUR MASSACHUSETTS SENATOR NOW! Tell them who the SILENT MAJORITY VOTERS are in their district who RELY ON OPEN MASSACHUSETTS VITAL RECORDS http://www.state.ma.us/legis/memmenus.htm CONTACT YOUR SENATORS! See http://www.state.ma.us/legis/sendis01.htm for 2001-2002 Just in case this ELEVENTH HOUR tactic actually passes to CLOSE MASSACHUSETTS VITAL RECORDS alert the 2003 legislators about YOUR CONCERNS on this matter! http://www.state.ma.us/legis/repdis03.htm and http://www.state.ma.us/legis/sendis03.htm IF YOUR LEGISLATORS DO NOT RESPOND OR ARE NOT AVAILABLE, CONTACT THE LEGISLATORS WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE INFORMAL SESSIONS! O'Brien, Thomas J. Rep.ThomasO'Brien@hou.state.ma.us http://www.state.ma.us/legis/member/tjo1.htm Susan C. Fargo SFargo@senate.state.ma.us http://www.state.ma.us/legis/member/scf0.htm SUMMARY: The Massachusetts Genealogical Council (MGC) initiative to STOP H5158 from passage at the tail end of the July 2002 formal sessions was successful - thanks to the response of all CONCERNED citizens in the genealogical community. Although the response of many legislators indicated that they had clearly not READ or did not UNDERSTAND the IMPLICATIONS of H5158, they did understand that large numbers of CONSTITUENTS are AGAINST RESTRICTIONS to the PUBLIC GOOD in the form of POORLY DRAFTED legislation that has had NO PUBLIC HEARINGS! However, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MDPH) has CONTINUED their efforts! Specifically: December 2002 H5158 language changes have been chosen for the purposes of OTHER BILLS that are not filed yet - Modernization and Fraud Control bills that ALSO have had NO PUBLIC HEARINGS! The MGC continues to be EXCLUDED from the permanent special vital records and statistics committee to oversee the overall improvement including preservation and automation of the vital records and statistics system in the commonwealth. Even though the MDPH has repeatedly said the MGC omission was an oversight, this ERROR PERSISTS in the revisions! NO VERSION of H5158 has been made available to the public via the legislative web site since its FIRST ELEVENTH HOUR introduction in the July formal sessions http://www.state.ma.us/scripts/legis/ltsh.idq?HouseNumber=5158 The most recently reported MDPH H5158 wording changes appear as attempts to clarify the previous problems, but introduce the UNKNOWN impact of the unfiled legislation PROPOSAL DEPENDENCIES! CONTACT YOUR SENATORS! See http://www.state.ma.us/legis/sendis01.htm for 2001-2002 NO CONTROVERSIAL BILL can be passed in informal sessions IF THE CONTROVERSY IS KNOWN! MAKE SURE YOUR SENATOR KNOWS THAT YOU DO NOT APPRECIATE BEING EXCLUDED FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS! YOUR RIGHTS TO RECORDS TO RECORDS ACCESS DESERVE A PUBLIC HEARING! H5158 SHOULD NOT BE PASSED on DECEMBER 31, 2002! Sharon Sergeant Program Director, Massachusetts Genealogical Council http://massgencouncil.home.attbi.com/index.htm ===== Sharon Sergeant Ancestors and Ephemera http://GenealogyFair.com Bring Your Ancestors Home! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi listers, One of my ancestors John Starkweather (1646-1703) married an Ann, supposedly a Wampanoag woman and the daughter of Metacom aka King Philip. My question is are the children of Metacom known other than the one son who was sent to Burmuda with his mother as a slave? TIA Richard F. Strait 7810 Grover Omaha, NE 68124-3328 rfstrait@juno.com (plain text only) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

***-----Original Message----- ***From: mwyant@attglobal.net [mailto:mwyant@attglobal.net] ***Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 10:09 AM ***To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [PLY/MA] Ephraim Elsberry & Thomas Rogers 1719 ***EPHRAIM ELSBERRY subsequently removed to Freetown MA, where he married ***Mary Boomer, d. Matthew Boomer II, ca 1727. *** ***Ephraim Elsberry is one of my brick walls. The 1720 Plymouth County ***Court record is the earliest mention of him that I have found (thanks to ***the NEHGS for putting these records on CD). *** ***I am hoping that some kind person researching Thomas Rogers or Capt. ***Thomas Barker of Marshfield may have come across some bits on Ephraim ***Elsberry, such as the indenture. I don't have much to offer, and you probably have this already. Bristol Co. Probate Records has the extract of Ephraim Elsbree's will, dated 27 Dec. 1760, probated 3 Nov. 1761. Named are wife Mary; grandson Boomer Elsbree; sons John, Thomas, William; dau's Rebecca Boomer, Mary Elsbree. The name is also spelled Eslbre and Elsbry in the probate records, as well as Elsberry. There's a website with the undocumented claim that Ephraim is the son of Christopher and Rebecca Elsbree and was b. 1699 in England--you might want to click back to the homepage where there's an email link and ask the person who put it online about it if you haven't already done that--since there was a daughter Rebecca this might be hopeful. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genwest7/geneobase/boomer/Boomfam.h tm

In late 1719, EPHRAIM ELSBERRY was a servant under indenture to Thomas Rogers & Capt. Thomas Barker of Marshfield. In the Plymouth County Courts, in 1720 Ephraim Elsberry was convicted of receiving cash which had been stolen from John Jones Sr by Rogers' servant Kingston. Ephraim was fined double damages for the cash he had received from Kingston. In addition, his indenture was extended by 5 years beyond the indenture's original expiration (not given in the court record). EPHRAIM ELSBERRY subsequently removed to Freetown MA, where he married Mary Boomer, d. Matthew Boomer II, ca 1727. Ephraim Elsberry is one of my brick walls. The 1720 Plymouth County Court record is the earliest mention of him that I have found (thanks to the NEHGS for putting these records on CD). I am hoping that some kind person researching Thomas Rogers or Capt. Thomas Barker of Marshfield may have come across some bits on Ephraim Elsberry, such as the indenture. Thank you for your help, and Happy Holidays, Melissa

Information on the Records of the Plymouth Cordage Company. I found last month that the Plymouth Cordage Company records were at the Baker Library at the Harvard Business School. I wrote asking the availability for research, the cost for research and copy fees. The following is the answer I received. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Baker Library Historical Collections Department "December 5, 2002 Dear Mr. Dittmar, In reply to your letter of November 26, 2002, I regret that at this time we cannot provide access to any of our collections for genealogical reseach. Given the overwhelming number of inquiries we receive, we have had to limit ourselves to those research requests that are intended for academic publications. Thank you for your interest, and best wishes for your research. Sincerely, Sig Nicole M. Hayes Coordinator of Public Services" This letter came from: Baker Library Room 100 West - Soldiers Field Rd. Boston, Ma. 02163 Ph. 617 495-6411 Fax 617-495-5957 histcollref@hbs.edu George F. Baker Foundation ------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE - TWO LINERS LINKS http://www.library.hbs.edu/hc/wes/collections/women_home_abroad/ideologies/content/1001955843/print.html (TWO LINER) http://www.library.hbs.edu/hc/wes/collections/labor/other/content/1001955843/ This is the holdings that they "cannot provide access to" Plymouth Cordage Company Collection Mss 463 1824-1966 P738 Series F: Labor; Volumes M-4 and P3; Cartons 47 and 48 The Plymouth Cordage Company was a rope manufacturer in Plymouth, Massachusetts, that subsequently acquired cordage companies in Canada and Louisiana. It was sold to Columbian Rope Company in 1966. The collection contains employment records of increasing numbers of women workers from the late 1870s. There are records (1907-1948)of Plymouth Cordage's industrial relations department, which conducted one of the oldest and most elaborate company welfare systems in the country. There are records regarding the medical department employing women nurses, a library employing a woman librarian, a band, athletic programs, housing assistance, and pension funds. Wage and time accounting Time books and lists of employees: F-2 to F-12 (1825-1881 A-J); F-14 to F-23 (1850-1881); F-25 to F-27 (1889-1902) Employee relations materials including labor organization Lay-offs, finances, employee dividends, and profit sharing: Carton 47 Labor strike 1831-32, welfare, housing pensions, schools, medical: Carton 48 Collective bargaining records (1937-1944): F-35 to F-36 Other Records Photographs of spinning room and balling room: P3 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sure wish another library could acquire this collection........... Fred Frederick M. Dittmar http://www.dittmar.net/fred Diggin' Deep Genealogy - Research Service PO Box 2601 Norman, Oklahoma 73070-2601 Member: Association of Professional Genealogist Mail List Administrator: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com DITTMAR-L@rootsweb,com DITTMAN-L@rootsweb.com CANNING-L@rootsweb.com HEMMERLY-L@rootsweb.com CLINKSCALE-L@rootsweb.com CLINKSCALES-L@rootsweb.com ZIEGENGEIST-L@rootsweb.com Genealogical Assistant & Board Member Oklahoma Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgs

Searching for any information on Mary - child of Nathaniel THOMAS and Mary APPLETON. Mary was supposedly born early 1700's (1705-1709). I have one source that states she died early (1714) and another that states she lived to marry Joseph PEPOON in Colchester CT (1725). Thank you. Paul Vogel Mankato, MN 56001

Here is a link that I had sent to me today. I thought it might be of interest to some on the page. http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm I hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving and has an enjoyable Holiday Season.. I just purchased some postcards on e-bay. The number is 738227704. The lady in the bottom left is my mother dressed as a Pilgrim. Fred Frederick M. Dittmar http://www.dittmar.net/fred Diggin' Deep Genealogy - Research Service PO Box 2601 Norman, Oklahoma 73070-2601 Member: Association of Professional Genealogist Mail List Administrator: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com DITTMAR-L@rootsweb,com DITTMAN-L@rootsweb.com CANNING-L@rootsweb.com HEMMERLY-L@rootsweb.com CLINKSCALE-L@rootsweb.com CLINKSCALES-L@rootsweb.com ZIEGENGEIST-L@rootsweb.com Genealogical Assistant & Board Member Oklahoma Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgs

http://www.vitalrec.com/ma.html -----Original Message----- From: ROWE1458@aol.com [mailto:ROWE1458@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:47 PM To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PLY/MA] Vital Records I am looking for any internet site having vital records for Brockton in the 1930s. Does anybody know of one? Looking for the marriage of Marion Grippen to Frank Regan probably in 1932. John E. Rowe ==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237