> Anyways their source for this info was the Rev. Peter Hobart's > Diary. I believe??? some of this diary has been transcribed or > published somewhere by someone??? Hopefully someone lurking has more > info on this diary. NEHGS library: Title........... Copy of the diary of Peter Hobart, first minister of Hingham, Mass. [1635-1717]. [microform] Author.......... Hobart, Peter, 1604-1679. <http://207.190.232.170/webopac/cgi/swebsch.exe?spfield=aut&theskey=cjzn&backlink=&ini=nehgs&lang=1&fldtag=&hpp=10&thesfld=true&desc=&first=&last=&thessch=false&brsthes=&uid=public&eid=&tid=8850075401-0c&syskey=> Author.......... Shurtleff, Nathaniel Bradstreet, 1810-1874. <http://207.190.232.170/webopac/cgi/swebsch.exe?spfield=aut&theskey=ahau&backlink=&ini=nehgs&lang=1&fldtag=&hpp=10&thesfld=true&desc=&first=&last=&thessch=false&brsthes=&uid=public&eid=&tid=8850075401-0c&syskey=> Author.......... Hobart, David, d. 1717. <http://207.190.232.170/webopac/cgi/swebsch.exe?spfield=aut&theskey=cjzp&backlink=&ini=nehgs&lang=1&fldtag=&hpp=10&thesfld=true&desc=&first=&last=&thessch=false&brsthes=&uid=public&eid=&tid=8850075401-0c&syskey=> Call number..... F74/H6/H63/1846 Microfilm Year............ 1846 Document type... mon Monograph Phys.descr...... 1 v.

Here it is: Would suggest you put these urls in your "favorites" so you can check the archives any time. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CT-RIVER-VALLEY -- http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MA-BAY-COLONY -- Cynthia Admin.Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) ----- ALWAYS VERIFY your source(s) REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S FROM > Checked out the archives for King Philip's war and received the following > message: > Libby Leknes > > > >

This may help those searching for ancestors during the King Philip's War... (see below) ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: bunnydust@attbi.com To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CRV] Re: [PLY/MA] King Philip's War............have posted Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:00:03 +0000 I was the administrator of the Connecticut River Valley mailing list for 3 years and posted a lot of names which are in the -- Ct-River-Valley-L@rootsweb.com archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com -- and use the Ct-River-Valley name to get to the archives -- The names are from SOLDIERS OF KING PHILIP'S WAR, George Bodge, Boston,1906. -- Cynthia Admin.Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) ----- ALWAYS VERIFY your source(s) REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S FROM > Hi, Merriel! > > Good morning, me again! More on the King Philip's War for these James. The > WHITON genealogy on p. 21 tells about the now recognized WHITON > progenitor/immigrant James/1 house burning in 1676 during the war. Anyways > their source for this info was the Rev. Peter Hobart's Diary. I believe??? > some of this diary has been transcribed or published somewhere by > someone??? Hopefully someone lurking has more info on this diary. This > diary has been used extensively for Hingham records. The WHITON section of > Lincoln's History of Hingham, III:289, does tell about James/1 house > burning on 20 Apr 1676 but gives no military info on James/2 (III:289) or > James/3 (III:290). Page 23 in the WHITON genealogy has who is now > recognized as James/2 military info and p. 27 James/3 info. Like we chatted > via E-mail I also agree it is impossible for James/3 born in 1676 to have > been in that war and that I suspect it is one of the multitude of errors in > this genealogy. Nowwwww here is something of interest. On p. 222 it lists > the WHITON men who served in various wars. Under the Indian and Colonial > Wars it lists only 2 James: James (2) and James (3). Now today with a > Thomas being debunked as the WHITON progenitor/immigrant (NEHGR 123:228), > this makes the book's James/2 now James/1 and James/3 now James/2 and > James/4 now James/3. Soooooooo the genealogy only found evidence of 2 James > - not 3. Why they included that bit under the 3rd James about losing his > arm, etc... is in error. That info either belongs with one of the other > James or he lost his arm, etc... during a later Indian War. > > Here is a King Philip's site that might???? have help for you: > > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/philip/ > > I don't know if it has a surname index. > > --- Susan > SGTAYLOR1@att.net > My Genealogy Website - sgt > http://home.att.net/~SGTAYLOR1/ > ----------------------------------------------- > USGW Mansfield, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcmansf/ > USGW New London, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnewlo/ > USGW Norwich, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnorwi/ > USGW Windham, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcwindh/ > USGW Coordinator Plymouth Co., MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maplymou/ > USGW Plymouth, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/ > ********************************************************* > > At 07:23 AM 2/18/03 -0500, you wrote: > >I’ve meant to ask this question for some time, and now that the Rickards > >have > >appeared on this list, I’ll try to pose the question which is regarding > >veterans of King Phillip’s War. > >The Whiton Family in America genealogy by Augustus Sherrill Whiton (which > >like all genealogies has errors) states that James Whiton, baptized in Hook > >Norton, England in 1624, had his home burned by the Indians in 1676, led by > >Chief Philip of the Pokanoket Tribe, to meet the attacks of whom the men > >residents of Hingham were impressed into service. > >The above James Whiton had a son James, baptized 1651, who married Abigail > >Rickard and the genealogy states he also served in King Philip’s War. > >Then James Whiton and Abigail had ten children, including a son James; thus > >making three generations of James Whitons. According to the genealogy (p. > >28) this third generation James was born in Hingham in Feb. 1676, lost an arm > >in King Philip’s War, during which his house was burned. > >I have thought it highly unlikely that all three James Whitons were in King > >Philip’s War, and particularly the last one seems too young to have > >served in > >it if his birthdate is correct. > >Is there any way to check which of them were in the war, and which one might > >have lost an arm in such service? I would like to apply for membership in > >the Colonial Dames, and would like to know for sure about service of the > >first two James Whitons from whom I am descended. It would seem that it may > >have been one of them who lost the arm in the war. I am not descended from > >the third James, for I believe my Whiton line is Thomas1, James 2, James 3, > >Joseph 4, and Abigail 5. > >---Merriel > > > > > >==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== > > ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== > > +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ > > =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= > > ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== > ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== > +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ > =Administrator Frederick M. 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Hi, Merriel! Good morning, me again! More on the King Philip's War for these James. The WHITON genealogy on p. 21 tells about the now recognized WHITON progenitor/immigrant James/1 house burning in 1676 during the war. Anyways their source for this info was the Rev. Peter Hobart's Diary. I believe??? some of this diary has been transcribed or published somewhere by someone??? Hopefully someone lurking has more info on this diary. This diary has been used extensively for Hingham records. The WHITON section of Lincoln's History of Hingham, III:289, does tell about James/1 house burning on 20 Apr 1676 but gives no military info on James/2 (III:289) or James/3 (III:290). Page 23 in the WHITON genealogy has who is now recognized as James/2 military info and p. 27 James/3 info. Like we chatted via E-mail I also agree it is impossible for James/3 born in 1676 to have been in that war and that I suspect it is one of the multitude of errors in this genealogy. Nowwwww here is something of interest. On p. 222 it lists the WHITON men who served in various wars. Under the Indian and Colonial Wars it lists only 2 James: James (2) and James (3). Now today with a Thomas being debunked as the WHITON progenitor/immigrant (NEHGR 123:228), this makes the book's James/2 now James/1 and James/3 now James/2 and James/4 now James/3. Soooooooo the genealogy only found evidence of 2 James - not 3. Why they included that bit under the 3rd James about losing his arm, etc... is in error. That info either belongs with one of the other James or he lost his arm, etc... during a later Indian War. Here is a King Philip's site that might???? have help for you: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/philip/ I don't know if it has a surname index. --- Susan SGTAYLOR1@att.net My Genealogy Website - sgt http://home.att.net/~SGTAYLOR1/ ----------------------------------------------- USGW Mansfield, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcmansf/ USGW New London, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnewlo/ USGW Norwich, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnorwi/ USGW Windham, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcwindh/ USGW Coordinator Plymouth Co., MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maplymou/ USGW Plymouth, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/ ********************************************************* At 07:23 AM 2/18/03 -0500, you wrote: >I’ve meant to ask this question for some time, and now that the Rickards >have >appeared on this list, I’ll try to pose the question which is regarding >veterans of King Phillip’s War. >The Whiton Family in America genealogy by Augustus Sherrill Whiton (which >like all genealogies has errors) states that James Whiton, baptized in Hook >Norton, England in 1624, had his home burned by the Indians in 1676, led by >Chief Philip of the Pokanoket Tribe, to meet the attacks of whom the men >residents of Hingham were impressed into service. >The above James Whiton had a son James, baptized 1651, who married Abigail >Rickard and the genealogy states he also served in King Philip’s War. >Then James Whiton and Abigail had ten children, including a son James; thus >making three generations of James Whitons. According to the genealogy (p. >28) this third generation James was born in Hingham in Feb. 1676, lost an arm >in King Philip’s War, during which his house was burned. >I have thought it highly unlikely that all three James Whitons were in King >Philip’s War, and particularly the last one seems too young to have >served in >it if his birthdate is correct. >Is there any way to check which of them were in the war, and which one might >have lost an arm in such service? I would like to apply for membership in >the Colonial Dames, and would like to know for sure about service of the >first two James Whitons from whom I am descended. It would seem that it may >have been one of them who lost the arm in the war. I am not descended from >the third James, for I believe my Whiton line is Thomas1, James 2, James 3, >Joseph 4, and Abigail 5. >---Merriel > > >==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== > ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== > +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ > =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= > ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hate to clutter up your mailboxes, but see I have made another error. My thanks to Susan who tells me that Thomas Whiton was not the progenitor of the Whiton line I quoted previously, and therefore I should not have listed him in my former note. My Whiton line therefore begins James WHITON/1, James WHITON/2, Joseph WHITON/3, Alice WHITON/4 (m. Ransom CURTIS). I certainly do appreciate input. ---Merriel

I’ve meant to ask this question for some time, and now that the Rickards have appeared on this list, I’ll try to pose the question which is regarding veterans of King Phillip’s War. The Whiton Family in America genealogy by Augustus Sherrill Whiton (which like all genealogies has errors) states that James Whiton, baptized in Hook Norton, England in 1624, had his home burned by the Indians in 1676, led by Chief Philip of the Pokanoket Tribe, to meet the attacks of whom the men residents of Hingham were impressed into service. The above James Whiton had a son James, baptized 1651, who married Abigail Rickard and the genealogy states he also served in King Philip’s War. Then James Whiton and Abigail had ten children, including a son James; thus making three generations of James Whitons. According to the genealogy (p. 28) this third generation James was born in Hingham in Feb. 1676, lost an arm in King Philip’s War, during which his house was burned. I have thought it highly unlikely that all three James Whitons were in King Philip’s War, and particularly the last one seems too young to have served in it if his birthdate is correct. Is there any way to check which of them were in the war, and which one might have lost an arm in such service? I would like to apply for membership in the Colonial Dames, and would like to know for sure about service of the first two James Whitons from whom I am descended. It would seem that it may have been one of them who lost the arm in the war. I am not descended from the third James, for I believe my Whiton line is Thomas1, James 2, James 3, Joseph 4, and Abigail 5. ---Merriel

There are no Washburn(e) in Plymouth Record book..... have you tried Bridgewater ? B. was a part of Ply.Colony.. did your John marry Elizabeth Mitchell? Elizabeth was of the Cooke family of Plymouth in her maternal line. if this is your John,let me know. --------------------------------- Some early Washburns listed: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ma/county/plymouth/towns/bridge.htm -- Cynthia Admin.Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com Bunnydust@attbi.com MBC archiver (postings) ----- ALWAYS VERIFY your source(s) REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S FROM > Dear Cynthia, > > Would you mind looking up John Washburn(e) Sr and family? Thanks so > much for your time and kindness. > > Deborah Washburn Seaton > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bunnydust@attbi.com [ <mailto:bunnydust@attbi.com> > mailto:bunnydust@attbi.com] > > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:29 PM > > To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [PLY/MA] 17th century Giles Rickard's children? > > > > Lists: Ma-Bay-Colony and MaPlymou: > > Am posting the names below from a request....however...if anyone has > someone they want looked up...please contact me OFF the lists > Bunnydust@attbi.com and I will post to BOTH lists. >

Susan, At 01:56 PM 2/17/03 -0500, you wrote: >Susan said: > >there are a >couple of glaring errors on in-law families. The error that comes to mind >are the parents of Esther BARNES who md. John/2 RICKARD. McCracken, NEHGR >111:172 says her father and mother were Jonathan/2 and Elizabeth (HEDGE) >BARNES with John/1 her grandfather. This is in error for Jonathan/2 and >Elizabeth didn't marry until 1665/66 and Esther md. John RICKARD in 1651. >Esther was a sister of Jonathan/2 - not his daughter. Davis' Ancient >Landmarks of Plymouth says John/1 BARNES was father of Esther (BARNES) >RICKARD. >_______________ > >Esther Barnes, wife of John Rickard is not a daughter of John Barnes and >therefore not the sister of Jonathan2 Barnes. In his 1668 will, John Barnes >refers to her as his "kinswoman" - not his daughter. The identity of Esther >Barnes has yet to be found. > >Ancient Landmarks by Davis is not a reliable source and should be used with >caution. Thank you for adding to the BARNES saga! I had John/1 BARNES as her father with a very low surety because of only having Davis as a source. I have the transcription of Ancient Landmarks of Plymouth up on my USGenWeb site for the town of Plymouth: http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/plyalp.html However, I definitely was wrong in not expanding on the credibility of Davis' Ancient Landmarks. I have on the transcription project but failed to point it out on this list: http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/plyalp.html#alp I say on the website: Do be aware.....The transcriptions are exact - punctuation, typos, spelling, etc. - to the original edition. Much research has been done since this book was published in 1883. Be sure to check newer more up-to-date sources as there are no doubt errors in this 1883 book as well as typos. As Jonathan/2 is definitely not Esther's father and with your input have now unlinked John/1 BARNES as her father. Thank you! --- Susan SGTAYLOR1@att.net My Genealogy Website - sgt http://home.att.net/~SGTAYLOR1/ ----------------------------------------------- USGW Mansfield, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcmansf/ USGW New London, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnewlo/ USGW Norwich, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnorwi/ USGW Windham, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcwindh/ USGW Coordinator Plymouth Co., MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maplymou/ USGW Plymouth, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/ ********************************************************* >Susan E. Roser >www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

Thought I'd add one more note to this - about 15 years ago, I found basically the same info re Giles, Giles, Jr, John, Sarah, etc, in Vol VII, Colonial Families in the United States of America (I have no record of author or publisher of that) and partial substantiating documentation in "Marriage Records before 1699," publ by GPC in Baltimore in 1984. There is similar info, in part, in "Pioneers of Massachusetts" - again no author or publisher recorded in my notes. I have no idea how reliable these publications are but they might give y'all even more starting points. John Dunham

Susan said: there are a couple of glaring errors on in-law families. The error that comes to mind are the parents of Esther BARNES who md. John/2 RICKARD. McCracken, NEHGR 111:172 says her father and mother were Jonathan/2 and Elizabeth (HEDGE) BARNES with John/1 her grandfather. This is in error for Jonathan/2 and Elizabeth didn't marry until 1665/66 and Esther md. John RICKARD in 1651. Esther was a sister of Jonathan/2 - not his daughter. Davis' Ancient Landmarks of Plymouth says John/1 BARNES was father of Esther (BARNES) RICKARD. _______________ Esther Barnes, wife of John Rickard is not a daughter of John Barnes and therefore not the sister of Jonathan2 Barnes. In his 1668 will, John Barnes refers to her as his "kinswoman" - not his daughter. The identity of Esther Barnes has yet to be found. Ancient Landmarks by Davis is not a reliable source and should be used with caution. Susan E. Roser www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

Lists: Ma-Bay-Colony and MaPlymou: Am posting the names below from a request....however...if anyone has someone they want looked up...please contact me OFF the lists Bunnydust@attbi.com and I will post to BOTH lists. --- the source is: RECORDS OF PLYMOUTH COLONY, Births,Marriages,Death,Burials,and other records,1633-1689; Nathaniel Shurtleff, Boston, 1857. =============================================================== In the RECORDS OF PLYMOUTH COLONY, Name is found : RICKARD, RICKETT GYLES/ Giles --- Court of Assistants: page 109: * GYLES RICKARD,SR and Thomas POPE fined 10 shillings, March 1663 * Hester.Esther, wife of John RICKARD, fined £1, March 1663 ============== dEBTS DUE BY FINES: page 111: * item, Gyles Rickard...fine 3 shillings,June 1664 ============== dEBTS DUE BY FINES: June 9,1665 PAGE 113 *item: Gyles Rickard....3s:04d ============== List of Freemen of Plymouth Colonie ; June 1633/34 Page 202: * John Rickard, son of Gyles Rickard * Gyles Rickard,jr. =============== page 203,dated for DUXBORROW (Duxbury) * Giles Rickard,JR....June 1689 =============== debts settled by fines June 8,1660 page 100: *Gyles Rickard,Sr...14 shillings -------------- page 114: debts settled by fines, March 5,1660 *Gyles Rickard, Sr...fined 10 shillings --------------------------- page 135: fines of June Court,1671 *Gyles Rickard for selling syder [cider] to the Indians ...10 shillings (he was fined along with John Ottis) ==================== page 188: August 1643 {this is also seen as ATBA "ABLE TO BEAR ARMS", the men that were between ages of 16-60 were atba.} This is from the Plymouth list. *Giles Rickard, Sr *John Rickard *Giles Rickard,Jr ======================= page 197: freemen of Plymouth, 1658 * Gyles Rickard,Sr * Gyles Rickard,Jr ======================== page 202: Freemen of the Colonie of New Plymouth, taken by Nathaniel Morton,Sec., Anno 1632/33 *Gyles Rickard,Sr. * Gyles Rickard,Jr ========================= page 142: Fines of July Court,1674: * John Rickard,Jr,son of John, fined for breaking the King's peace,03s 04d (along with William Maycomber and Samuell Dunham) =================================================== PADDOCK....in the same book.... page 188: ATBA, 1643 * Robert Paddock of Plymouth ================== ---still in same book Page 245: marriages....PADDOCK/Padduck/Padduk * Mary and Thomas Roberts, Plymouth, 24 March 1650 * Alice and Zachariah Eedey, May 7,1663 * Susanna(of Dartmouth) and John Eedey,Taunton,last of November,1665 * Susanna(of Dartmouth) and John Eedey,Taunton, 12 November 1665 * John and Anna Jones, Swansey, 21 Dec.1673 NO GEORGE Paddock...listed under marriages for Plymouth Colony ==================== page 243: BIRTHS....Paddock/Padduck/Padduk *Robert, Plymouth, 20 March 1636 * Mary,dau of Robert,Plymouth, 10 March 1638 * Allis, dau of Robert,Plymouth, 7 March 1640 * John, son of Robert,Plymouth, 1 April 1643 * Zachariah,son of Robert,Plymouth, b. March 20,1636 NO GEORGE listed ----------------------- page: 245 DEATHS * PADDUK, Robert, Plymouth, died 25 July 1650 (no wife or George listed under deaths) The Paddocks may have moved elsewhere as George is not listed in this book... shortly after Robert's death in 1650 as the children were still young in 1650. Wife remarried ? probably as it was common then to marry shortly after spouse dies. ============================================================================ ===================================================================== Same book.....RICKARD/RICKETT page 247: births * John, son of Giles(jr), Plymouth 14 June 1652 *Samuel, son of Giles,Jr, Plymouth, 14 January 1662 *Mary, dau of John,sr,Plymouth, 12 Dec 1677 *Lydia, dau of John,sr, Plymouth, Dec. 12,1679 *Mercy, dau of John, Plymouth, 12 Feb.1682 *John,son of John, Plymouth,Feb. 12,1684 ---the book lists the grandchildren as well. ============================================== page 248: Rickard marriages * Giles,jr and Hannah Dunham, 31 Oct 1651 * John and Hester Barnes, Plymouth, 31 Oct 1651 * Gyles,sr and Hannah Churchill,Plymouth,June 25,1669 * Judith and John Faunce, Plymouth, 3 Jan.,1677 --------------------------------------------- page 249: Rickard deaths * Judith, wife of Giles,sr, Plymouth, 6 Feb. 1661 * Giles, sr, wife Jone(Joan?)Tilson, (record mentions their marriage date 20 May 1662) ================================================= COGAN....book has COGGEN...PAGE 224 * Thomas,son of Abigail, Barnstable, buried 26 Jan 1658 * Abigail,wife of John Pinney,married 10 June 1650 [page 47] * Abigaill, buried 6 May 16xx [page 47] * Abigail's sons, Thomas Coggen,buried 26 Jan 1658 [page 47] * John Phinney marryed to Elizabeth Bayley,26 June 1654 =============================== Hope this will clear up some of the problem.....there are no Sarah's or George's anywhere.....not in this book. Cynthia Admin.Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com ----- ALWAYS VERIFY your source(s) REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S FROM > Dale, > > Thank you. I also understand that Sarah the wife of George Paddock > being Giles' daughter is uncertain. > > In retrospect I see I should not have given the 1596 birth year for > Giles. It is from WFT Vol. 2, #2704 for the Rickard family and is > classified "Unreliable" with no source given. > > Also, I note that Judith Cogan, Giles first wife, was said to have been > baptized 13 Jun 1594. A 1596 birth year for Giles would make Giles > younger than Judith. While certainly possible -- it is perhaps not > likely. > > I found an abstract of Giles probate which only mentions a son John > deceased with son John surviving and Giles deceased with sons Gyles and > John surviving. Entail in Plymouth was by Gavelkind so they would be > his only sons and surviving heirs. I have no dates for Sarah and no > daughter is mentioned in the abstract. Either she was not his daughter, > did not survive him with heirs or did not get along well with him. > > Do you have any dates for Sarah wife of George Paddock? > > Again, thank you for the response. > > Regards, > Bill Churchill > USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale H Cook [mailto:radiotest@juno.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:32 PM > To: churchil@koyote.com > Cc: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] 17th century Giles Rickard's children? > > On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:42:50 -0600 "Bill Churchill" > <churchil@koyote.com> > writes: > > > I have the Giles RICKARD born 1596 who married Judith COGAN with the > > following children: > > > > i. Giles RICKARD (born in 1623). > > ii. John RICKARD (born in 1625). > > iii. Sarah RICKARD. > > > > Does anyone know if Giles had additional children? > > Bill - > > As far as I know he did not. See George E. McCracken, "Early Cogans > English and American," NEGHR, 111 [1957]:172. McCracken put a ? before > Sarah's name, which seems to indicate that he thought it questionable > whether the wife of George Paddock was Giles' daughter. > > BTW, McCracken does not give a year of birth for Giles, and I have not > found one. What is the primary source for the year of his birth? > > Dale H. Cook > USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns > http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html > > > > > ==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== > ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== > +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ > =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= > ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:19:47 -0600 Susan Taylor <SGTaylor1@att.net> writes: > Again thank you for replying via the list with the COGAN article as > a > source. I love it when people reply via the list rather than just > private > mail for it makes the list so much more interesting! Susan - And thank you for the additional information you provided. I don't know how I came to have Giles and Judith in my database - BK doesn't show either as related to me. Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

Hi, Dale and Bill! At 10:31 PM 2/15/03 -0500, Dale H Cook wrote: > > I have the Giles RICKARD born 1596 who married Judith COGAN with the > > following children: > > > > i. Giles RICKARD (born in 1623). > > ii. John RICKARD (born in 1625). > > iii. Sarah RICKARD. > > > > Does anyone know if Giles had additional children? > >As far as I know he did not. See George E. McCracken, "Early Cogans >English and American," NEGHR, 111 [1957]:172. McCracken put a ? before >Sarah's name, which seems to indicate that he thought it questionable >whether the wife of George Paddock was Giles' daughter. > >BTW, McCracken does not give a year of birth for Giles, and I have not >found one. What is the primary source for the year of his birth? Thank you Dale for providing the source of NEHGR 111 for the COGANS! I just updated my COGANS via that article. Most of the article looks pretty sound with McCracken not hesitating in listing his sources; however, there are a couple of glaring errors on in-law families. The error that comes to mind are the parents of Esther BARNES who md. John/2 RICKARD. McCracken, NEHGR 111:172 says her father and mother were Jonathan/2 and Elizabeth (HEDGE) BARNES with John/1 her grandfather. This is in error for Jonathan/2 and Elizabeth didn't marry until 1665/66 and Esther md. John RICKARD in 1651. Esther was a sister of Jonathan/2 - not his daughter. Davis' Ancient Landmarks of Plymouth says John/1 BARNES was father of Esther (BARNES) RICKARD. Anyways, you asked Bill where the DOB (1596) of Giles/1 came from. I have 1597 for his DOB per Torrey, p. 624. I know this would make him about 3 yrs. younger than Judith COGAN. As Giles was Judith's 2nd husband, this difference in age doesn't bother me. I have per the NEHGR COGAN article Judith baptized 1594 and per that article and Torrey she married 1st to Wm. King in 1618. He died c1619 and she and md. Giles in 1624 making her 30 and Giles (if DOB 1597) 27. Hmmmm...... 27 yrs. of age is getting a bit late for the 1st marriage back then. As to Sarah RIKARD, a dau of Giles/1 and Judith, I agree with you and Bill that at this point she is very iffy. Both Savage and Davis' Ancient Landmarks of Plymouth, like the NEHGR article, make a point of saying they aren't sure about her and her marriage to George PADDOCK. Savage gives a DOM for Sarah and George of 1657. Torrey has no entry for this marriage. Soooo at this point I have a surety of only 1 for Sarah in my db. Again thank you for replying via the list with the COGAN article as a source. I love it when people reply via the list rather than just private mail for it makes the list so much more interesting! BTW, my line is: Giles/1 & Judith (COGAN) RICKARD Giles/2 & Hannah/2 (DUNHAM) RICKARD Abigail/3 RICKARD md. bef 1676 James/2 WHITON --- Susan SGTAYLOR1@att.net My Genealogy Website - sgt http://home.att.net/~SGTAYLOR1/ ----------------------------------------------- USGW Mansfield, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcmansf/ USGW New London, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnewlo/ USGW Norwich, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnorwi/ USGW Windham, CT - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcwindh/ USGW Coordinator Plymouth Co., MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maplymou/ USGW Plymouth, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymo/ *********************************************************

On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:08:26 -0600 "Bill Churchill" <churchil@koyote.com> writes: > Do you have any dates for Sarah wife of George Paddock? Bill - Judith Cogan was indeed baptized 13-Jun-1594 at St. Mary Magdalen, Taunton (McCracken consulted the parish registers). Before listing Judith's children by her two husbands McCracken notes: [No extensive research has been undertaken on these children.] For Sarah he has only: iv. ?SARAH, perhaps m. GEORGE PADDOCK (see Savage, op. cit., 3:539 f.). Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:08:26 -0600 "Bill Churchill" <churchil@koyote.com> writes: > Do you have any dates for Sarah wife of George Paddock? Bill - Judith Cogan was indeed baptized 13-Jun-1594 at St. Mary Magdalen, Taunton (McCracken consulted the parish registers). Before listing Judith's children by her two husbands McCracken notes: [No extensive research has been undertaken on these children.] For Sarah he has only: iv. ?SARAH, perhaps m. GEORGE PADDOCK (see Savage, op. cit., 3:539 f.). Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html CC MAGenExchange Plymouth County http://www.genexchange.com/county.cfm?state=ma&county=plymouth

Dale, Thank you. I also understand that Sarah the wife of George Paddock being Giles' daughter is uncertain. In retrospect I see I should not have given the 1596 birth year for Giles. It is from WFT Vol. 2, #2704 for the Rickard family and is classified "Unreliable" with no source given. Also, I note that Judith Cogan, Giles first wife, was said to have been baptized 13 Jun 1594. A 1596 birth year for Giles would make Giles younger than Judith. While certainly possible -- it is perhaps not likely. I found an abstract of Giles probate which only mentions a son John deceased with son John surviving and Giles deceased with sons Gyles and John surviving. Entail in Plymouth was by Gavelkind so they would be his only sons and surviving heirs. I have no dates for Sarah and no daughter is mentioned in the abstract. Either she was not his daughter, did not survive him with heirs or did not get along well with him. Do you have any dates for Sarah wife of George Paddock? Again, thank you for the response. Regards, Bill Churchill USA -----Original Message----- From: Dale H Cook [mailto:radiotest@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:32 PM To: churchil@koyote.com Cc: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] 17th century Giles Rickard's children? On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:42:50 -0600 "Bill Churchill" <churchil@koyote.com> writes: > I have the Giles RICKARD born 1596 who married Judith COGAN with the > following children: > > i. Giles RICKARD (born in 1623). > ii. John RICKARD (born in 1625). > iii. Sarah RICKARD. > > Does anyone know if Giles had additional children? Bill - As far as I know he did not. See George E. McCracken, "Early Cogans English and American," NEGHR, 111 [1957]:172. McCracken put a ? before Sarah's name, which seems to indicate that he thought it questionable whether the wife of George Paddock was Giles' daughter. BTW, McCracken does not give a year of birth for Giles, and I have not found one. What is the primary source for the year of his birth? Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:42:50 -0600 "Bill Churchill" <churchil@koyote.com> writes: > I have the Giles RICKARD born 1596 who married Judith COGAN with the > following children: > > i. Giles RICKARD (born in 1623). > ii. John RICKARD (born in 1625). > iii. Sarah RICKARD. > > Does anyone know if Giles had additional children? Bill - As far as I know he did not. See George E. McCracken, "Early Cogans English and American," NEGHR, 111 [1957]:172. McCracken put a ? before Sarah's name, which seems to indicate that he thought it questionable whether the wife of George Paddock was Giles' daughter. BTW, McCracken does not give a year of birth for Giles, and I have not found one. What is the primary source for the year of his birth? Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

I have the Giles RICKARD born 1596 who married Judith COGAN with the following children: i. Giles RICKARD (born in 1623). ii. John RICKARD (born in 1625). iii. Sarah RICKARD. Does anyone know if Giles had additional children? Regards, Bill Churchill USA

(Most of this was also posted to the Mayflower list since it is more active than the Plymouth list, so please excuse any duplication.) Hello, all. I am trying to track down a Plymouth birth record for an Elizabeth (or Betsy) Clark (or Clark, etc.), whose age at death implies that she was born on 4 Jan 1774; that birth date is also consistent with her age of 76 in the 1850 census. It is only through an 1893 death record of one of Elizabeth's sons that I have her birthplace as Plymouth, and of course there is no way of knowing if the town is perfectly accurate. The 1850 census, however, also gives her state of birth as Massachusetts. I have no idea what Elizabeth's parents' names might be, though I do have her children's names, and maybe I'll be lucky and find a match of names and the birthdate. Elizabeth apparently moved up to New Gloucester, Cumberland County, Maine when she was young, marrying a John Hamilton and seemingly spending the rest of her life in nearby North Yarmouth, Maine, where she had many children. It seems likely that Elizabeth moved to New Gloucester with her parents, but New Gloucester shows no Clark families in the 1790 census, nor does North Yarmouth (though there are some Clarks in other Cumberland County towns.) Further, the probate records for Cumberland County have been lost to fire for years prior to 1908, so I cannot pursue that avenue of obtaining her parents' names, assuming that they had even left probate records in Maine. While I have no way of knowing if Elizabeth was a Mayflower descendant, I have already checked a couple of sources commonly used by Mayflower researchers, specifically Davis's Ancient Landmarks book (online) and a CD version of The Mayflower Descendant. But I have had no luck with either of those. I am hoping someone has Antwerp's 1993 book of VRs of Plymouth to 1850 -- I do not have it, nor is it at my local libraries -- and can check that source for me. Thanks for a lookup or any other suggestions. Ruy Cardoso __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Hi Gene, Does this work? The Oxford English Dictionary has "li. _obs. abbrev_., L. _libra_ pound _librae_ pounds" examples given from 1400s through 1800 for use meaning money. Eugene Hubbard wrote: > Dear List: > > In a text I was reading concerning the distribution of an English > estate during the 16th century, money was expressed in terms of "li" > (with no quotes.) > > Does anyone know what "li" stands for? > > Thanks, > > 'Gene Hubbard > > > > ==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== > ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== > +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ > =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= > ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >