Jane, As Administrator for the MAPLYMOU-L mail list I want to thank you and Coralynn so very much for the wonderful work that you two are doing in transcribing and posting the materials about the marriage and cemetery records. I'd like to suggest that you also post them on the other Plymouth County pages that are listed in the following Rootsweb Index - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/MA/plymouth.html These include the HINGHAM-BOOK-L & PLYMOUTH-WAREHAM-L pages. I'm sure that somepeople on these pages had ancestors that may have spilled over into the areas of your posting. Again thank you from all of us for the time comsuming and wonderful work. Administrator - MAPLYMOU-L -- Fred Frederick M. Dittmar Diggin' Deep Genealogy Research Service Box 2601 - Norman, Oklahoma 73070-2601 http://www.dittmar.net/fred Member: Association of Professional Genealogists Mail List Administrator: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com MANORFOL-L@rootsweb.com DITMER-L@rootsweb.com DITTMAN-L@rootsweb.com DITTMAR-L@rootsweb.com CANNING-L@rootsweb.com HEMMERLY-L@rootsweb.com CLINKSCALE-L@rootsweb.com CLINKSCALES-L@rootsweb.com ZIEGENGEIST-L@rootsweb.com OK-GEN-SOC-L@rootsweb.com TX-VINTAGEPHOTOS@rootsweb.com Board Member & Genealogical Assistant Oklahoma Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgs

I've transcribed and added to my site a file containing the North Middleborough, Plymouth Co., MA, Church Members, 1876. The members are listed by the date of entry into the church and the maiden names of the married women are given. The URL is below. Jane Devlin Lake Orion, MI janedevlin@ameritech.net Records from CT, MA, & MI + family lines: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

Is Salem Mass. included in this mailing list?Thanks-jo

You want > MAESSEX-L-request@rootsweb.com You might also be interested in > SALEM-WITCH-L-request@rootsweb.com JoEllen Brown wrote: >Is Salem Mass. included in this mailing list?Thanks-jo > > > > > > >

With the births from the Bridgewater Vital Records to 1850 completed, Coralynn Brown is now starting on the marriages. The first installment - surnames starting with A are now on line at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/ Jane Devlin Lake Orion, MI janedevlin@ameritech.net Records from CT, MA, & MI + family lines: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

Coralynn Brown has just finished transcribing the Bridgewater, Plymouth Co., MA, Births series she's been working on and the files are now on line at the URL below. Jane Devlin Lake Orion, MI janedevlin@ameritech.net Records from CT, MA, & MI + family lines: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

I am pleased to announce the debut of three new USGenWeb pages for Plymouth County towns: Abington - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macabing/index.html Plympton - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macplymp/index.html Whitman - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macwhitm/index.html Dale H. Cook Member, NEHGS USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns Host: http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

One example of a woman who arrived in the colony without a record of her arrival would be Ann Hinde who arrived in 1638. She was a servant who was apparently brought over by Richard Derby from his father's farm in Dorset. Since it is unlikely that he made the trip to England for one servant and there is evidence that he brought William Snow for Edward Doty at the same time. it is very possible that there were others on board as well. There is no record of Derby's first trip in 1636/37, either. Elizabeth in Florida

Yes, certainly. However, not many ladies travelled to New England alone in those early years (except a few with money and connections) so I was hoping to find records of husband or father. And certainly, men could exist in the colony for some time without making any record except, perhaps, on a fugitive list of a "train band". Stewart Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rea7669@aol.com> To: <MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: [PLY/MA] re: Waldon & Wheldon > Even though there may be apparent origins for these ladies, there were many > names which just appeared. Many ships' passenger lists are permanently > lost or still awaiting discovery. There was enough traffic after 1635, that > arrivals may no longer have been noted, nor is there any remaining record > of the departure from England. Elizabeth in Fla. > > > ==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== > ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== > +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ > =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= > ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Even though there may be apparent origins for these ladies, there were many names which just appeared. Many ships' passenger lists are permanently lost or still awaiting discovery. There was enough traffic after 1635, that arrivals may no longer have been noted, nor is there any remaining record of the departure from England. Elizabeth in Fla.

If you're looking in the Bridgewater area of neighboring Massachusetts, Coralynn Browns' project to transcribe the entire birth records from the VRs is well under way with the R & S surname going on line. Jane Devlin Lake Orion, MI janedevlin@ameritech.net Records from CT, MA, & MI + family lines: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:34:55 -0500 Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> writes: > I don't have the GSMD Hopkins book, which probably covers this... I do have the 1st edition of MF6 Hopkins, which says she was "undoubtedly dau. of Gabriel Whelden of Malden and Yarmouth." Dale H. Cook Member, NEHGS USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns Host: http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

Stewart Rowe wrote: > >Can you provide a citation for the statement that Katherine was a dau. of Gabriel? > I don't have the GSMD Hopkins book, which probably covers this, but there's a NEHG Register article, "Stephen Hopkins and his Descendants" from 1948, vol. 102, p. 48, which says, "Catherine Whelden...daughter of Gabriel Whelden of Yarmouth" [and mentions that that letter to John Shanvat is in Pope's _Pioneers of Massachusetts_, p. 489]. I find the assertion in several older books, but none of them bother to mention what proof there is. I read the Hawes article in the Cape Cod Library series which was mentioned, and this has the most information on Gabriel of anything I have on hand, and he says Catherine was "probably" Gabriel's daughter. Perhaps the fact that Giles Hopkins was in Yarmouth at the time and there weren't a whole lot of Wheldens around is all there is, but I don't know. There seem to be many opinions about this family and not much hard information in what I have been able to find.

Darlene, I can lookup Nottingham records but would need to know the parish where these Wheldon's lived. Does anyone know the parish? From the thread I take it that Katherine Wheldon who m. Giles Hopkins was the d/o Gabriel Wheldon. Am I following this correctly? Bill Churchill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene Walsh" <dnwalsh@hls-inc.net> To: "Stewart Rowe" <srowe@fuse.net> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] Walden and Wheldon, 1630s > > OOPS BINGO I just looked up Katherine and found this: > > "Katharine, wrote a letter to John Shanvat of Nottingham, 29 (4) 1639, > concerning the death of Martha Wheelden of Dedham, drowned about 12 > days before. [L} Katharine m. at Plymouth 9 Oct. 1639, Giles Hopkins." > > It sounds like Martha may have been her mother. I would look in > Dedham and Nottingham England church records. Sounds like she came from Nottingham so maybe the church there would have a baptismal record. > > Well I hope this has helped. > Darlene >

Thank you - I'm sure that your citations will be very helpful. I find that there are copies of several of them in our Cincinnati public library, so here goes a trip downtown. Stew Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sullivan" <ksullivan@hvc.rr.com> To: "'Stewart Rowe'" <srowe@fuse.net>; <MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: RE: [PLY/MA] Walden and Wheldon, 1630s Katherine Wheldon who m. Giles Hopkins was the d/o Gabriel Wheldon, mother's name unknown. Gabriel Wheldon lived in Yarmouth and Malden. My sources are: James W. Hawes, "Early Wheldens of Yarmouth," Cape Cod Library of Local History and Genealogy, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1982: 732. Donald Lines Jacobus, "Austin Bearse and His Alleged Indian Connections," The American Genealogist, October 1938: 15:114. James W. Hawes, "Richard Taylor, Tailor, and Some of His Descendants," Cape Cod Library of Local History and Genealogy, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1982: 758. -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Rowe [mailto:srowe@fuse.net] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:40 PM To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PLY/MA] Walden and Wheldon, 1630s These two ladies apparently came out of nowhere to marry in Plymouth in 1638 and 1639. Ann Walden married John Smalley/Smaley in Plymouth 29 Nov. 1638. Katherine Wheldon married Giles Hopkins in Plymouth 19 Oct. 1639. I have found nothing in MD, NEHGR, or GMB as to the parents of either of them. Perhaps someone who is more skilled in Plymouth genealogy than I am, knows something about their parents. Stew Rowe ==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thank you for the clues. Can you provide a source for the Katherine's letter item and put it in context -- fill me in on why it is relevant. Stew Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene Walsh" <dnwalsh@hls-inc.net> To: "Stewart Rowe" <srowe@fuse.net> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] Walden and Wheldon, 1630s > According to The Winthrop Fleet there was a Robert Weldon in Charlestown, a > captain in the military He died 16 Feb 1630/1 and was given a military > funeral. His wife Elizabeth left and went to Watertown according to the > church records of the First Church. > The Pioneers of Massachusetts by Pope says pretty much the same thing but > adds that he died of consumption and that he was buried in Boston. > > Perhaps they were the children of this couple? > > The Pioneers of Mass lists John, but doesn't say where Ann came from. Do > you have all their children? > > I look under Walden an found that Anne was a church member in 1632 in Boston > and that she and John married 29 Nov 1638 in Plymouth. It doesn't say that > this was the same church as the above Walden couple but it may well be. > Have you tried checking the church records in Boston? > > OOPS BINGO I just looked up Katherine and found this: > > "Katharine, wrote a letter to John Shanvat of Nottingham, 29 (4) 1639, > concerning the death of Martha Wheelden of Dedham, drowned about 12 days > before. [L} Katharine m. at Plymouth 9 Oct. 1639, Giles Hopkins." > > It sounds like Martha may have been her mother. I would look in Dedham and > Nottingham England church records. Sounds like she came from Nottingham so > maybe the church there would have a baptismal record. > > Well I hope this has helped. > Darlene > >

That Jacobus paper was, as the kids used to say, a gas! There may be some useful info there, but I had so much fun reading it I couldn't stop to catalog and analyse. It was FUN! Thanks for the citation. Can you provide a citation for the statement that Katherine was a dau. of Gabriel? That was the only hypothesis I could come to from my reading, but I had no "authority" to quote. Thanks for your help. Stew Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Harlow Chandler To: Stewart Rowe Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] Walden and Wheldon, 1630s Stewart Rowe wrote: These two ladies apparently came out of nowhere to marry in Plymouth in 1638 and 1639. Ann Walden married John Smalley/Smaley in Plymouth 29 Nov. 1638. Katherine Wheldon married Giles Hopkins in Plymouth 19 Oct. 1639. I have found nothing in MD, NEHGR, or GMB as to the parents of either of them. Perhaps someone who is more skilled in Plymouth genealogy than I am, knows something about their parents. Stew Rowe Katherine Whelden was the daughter of Gabriel Whelden. You may be poking at a hornets' nest here. There are some who believe that Katherine's mother was an Indian--it seems to be an article of faith, there being no proof that I've heard of. For one statement of the opposing view you could look at the Jacobus article here if you're not already familiar with it--a little way into the article it gets to Katherine, but the whole thing is interesting. I'll be interested to see whether the usual dispute over Katherine's mother erupts. www.murrah.com/gen/jacobus.doc

The P surnames from the Bridgewater vital records to 1850 are now on line, thanks to the transcription efforts of Coralynn Brown. Jane Devlin Lake Orion, MI janedevlin@ameritech.net Records from CT, MA, & MI + family lines: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

Katherine Wheldon who m. Giles Hopkins was the d/o Gabriel Wheldon, mother's name unknown. Gabriel Wheldon lived in Yarmouth and Malden. My sources are: James W. Hawes, "Early Wheldens of Yarmouth," Cape Cod Library of Local History and Genealogy, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1982: 732. Donald Lines Jacobus, "Austin Bearse and His Alleged Indian Connections," The American Genealogist, October 1938: 15:114. James W. Hawes, "Richard Taylor, Tailor, and Some of His Descendants," Cape Cod Library of Local History and Genealogy, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1982: 758. -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Rowe [mailto:srowe@fuse.net] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:40 PM To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PLY/MA] Walden and Wheldon, 1630s These two ladies apparently came out of nowhere to marry in Plymouth in 1638 and 1639. Ann Walden married John Smalley/Smaley in Plymouth 29 Nov. 1638. Katherine Wheldon married Giles Hopkins in Plymouth 19 Oct. 1639. I have found nothing in MD, NEHGR, or GMB as to the parents of either of them. Perhaps someone who is more skilled in Plymouth genealogy than I am, knows something about their parents. Stew Rowe ==== MAPLYMOU Mailing List ==== ====MAPLYMOU-L/D Mail List===== +-+ Owners = List Members +-+ =Administrator Frederick M. Dittmar= ====== fred@dittmar.net ====== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

These two ladies apparently came out of nowhere to marry in Plymouth in 1638 and 1639. Ann Walden married John Smalley/Smaley in Plymouth 29 Nov. 1638. Katherine Wheldon married Giles Hopkins in Plymouth 19 Oct. 1639. I have found nothing in MD, NEHGR, or GMB as to the parents of either of them. Perhaps someone who is more skilled in Plymouth genealogy than I am, knows something about their parents. Stew Rowe