This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: gardner/ryan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1648.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I agree that if there is a connection, it would be through Catherine Ryan/John Gardner. There is some evidence that Margaret Ryan is born in England but comes to the U.S. through Newfoundland or Nova Scotia. There are discrepancies in the documents. The information we have on John Gardner is that he was English (possibly from Wales). Other than that we can't seem to find anything about them ---I'm not even sure they came to the U.S. although family history has my Edward born in Brighton, MA. I would be most interested on the information you have on Catherine and John and whether there might be a connection there. I do have several photographs of my Edward J. He was definitely born by 1871 and his eldest son was born 1891. I wonder though if my Edward could have been a brother to John who possibly married sisters? Do you have any additional clues on John and Catherine? I'd appreciate any information. I've worked for years on this and when I finally get a document ! it seems discrepant from another. I know that my great grandfather may have lied about the year he was born since he wanted to keep working and they made him retire about age 85. He died shortly thereafter.