I need to check. Gershom Rice was allegedly born 9 May 1667 in Marlborough, Massachusetts. But my source gives him no parents. There is genetic irregularity about some of his sons' descent from his purported grandfather. Can someone please just check and see who the birth or baptism record lists as his parents? Also, I have two great great or something uncles who I don't have deaths for, and I'm particularly interested in their ages at death and causes of death. In photos they look like they had severe cases of the manic depression that ran in the family. Eli W Raymond, b 31 Dec 1824, lived in Westminster and/or Westchester, Massachsuetts, a farmer. George Raymond, b 3 Mar 1835, a civil engineer in Fitchburg in 1880. That may mean he was a laborer who operated machinery at the waterworks, in that time. I don't know if I looked for him in 1900 or not. If he was not living then, he sure died younger than this line was inclined to. Thanks alot! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com

Eli W Raymond, below, was living in 1880. I don't have if he was living in 1900, so he may not have been. Both men should have been living in 1900, according to the genetics of their line, unless something unnatural killed them in middle age. Their mother did die of the usual cause - vascular dementia and a stroke - much younger than is normal for this lineage. She was only 72 at death, and she was barely still living in 1900. Men did often die younger than women in this age, but I think that every one of them who lived to be past 100 was a man. I'm specifically tracking age at death, strokes, vascular dementia, other circulatory system disease, and suicides and deaths in the state hospital. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> To: <mamiddle@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: [MAMiddle] Need NEHGS vital records lookups >I need to check. Gershom Rice was allegedly born 9 May 1667 in >Marlborough, Massachusetts. But my source gives him no parents. There >is genetic irregularity about some of his sons' descent from his purported >grandfather. > > Can someone please just check and see who the birth or baptism record > lists as his parents? > > Also, I have two great great or something uncles who I don't have deaths > for, and I'm particularly interested in their ages at death and causes of > death. In photos they look like they had severe cases of the manic > depression that ran in the family. > > Eli W Raymond, b 31 Dec 1824, lived in Westminster and/or Westchester, > Massachsuetts, a farmer. > > George Raymond, b 3 Mar 1835, a civil engineer in Fitchburg in 1880. That > may mean he was a laborer who operated machinery at the waterworks, in > that time. I don't know if I looked for him in 1900 or not. If he was > not living then, he sure died younger than this line was inclined to. > > Thanks alot! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAMIDDLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > and the body of the email with no additional text. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAMIDDLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

NEHGS shows Gershom Rice, b. May 9, 1667 to Thomas & Mary Didn't find a marriage for a Thomas Rice to a Mary in that time frame. Found a George Raymond, son of Thomas & Elizabeth, died aug 31, 1836 of comsumption age 29 y, 6 m. Lived in Beverly, MA. Didn't find anything for Eli.

1 - 4 Thomas RICE married Mary King, and resided in Sudbury till 1664, when he moved to Marlborough, of which township he was a proprietor. He died November 16, 1681. He had thirteen children, six of whom were born in Sudbury, the rest in Marlboro. 4 - 24 Grace, born -; died at Sudbury January 13, 1654. 4 - 25 Thomas, born June 30, 1654; married Mary _____ 4 - 26 Mary, born September 4, 1656 ; married 1678, Josiah White. 4 - 27 Peter, born October 24,1658; married 1688, Mary Howe. 4 - 28 Nathaniel, born January 3, 1660; married 1st, Sarah _____,and 2d, Patience Stone, died 1726. 4 - 29 Sarah, born January 1 5, 1662; married _____ Adams, and died at the age of 80. 4 - 30 Ephraim, born April 15, 1665 ; he was twice married, resided in Sudbury, was a proprietor of Worcester. 4 - 31 Gershom, born May 9, 1667; married Elizabeth Haynes. 4 - 32 James, born March 6, 1669; married Sarah Stone. 4 - 33 Frances, born February 3, 1671 ; married Benjamin Allen, 4 - 34 Jonas, born March 6, 1673; married, February 10, 1701-2, Mary Stone, resided at Worcester. Go here for the complete genealogy http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~historyofmarlborough/geniric e.htm#Rice -----Original Message----- From: mamiddle-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mamiddle-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:36 AM To: mamiddle@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAMiddle] Need NEHGS vital records lookups I need to check. Gershom Rice was allegedly born 9 May 1667 in Marlborough, Massachusetts. But my source gives him no parents. There is genetic irregularity about some of his sons' descent from his purported grandfather. Can someone please just check and see who the birth or baptism record lists as his parents? Also, I have two great great or something uncles who I don't have deaths for, and I'm particularly interested in their ages at death and causes of death. In photos they look like they had severe cases of the manic depression that ran in the family. Eli W Raymond, b 31 Dec 1824, lived in Westminster and/or Westchester, Massachsuetts, a farmer. George Raymond, b 3 Mar 1835, a civil engineer in Fitchburg in 1880. That may mean he was a laborer who operated machinery at the waterworks, in that time. I don't know if I looked for him in 1900 or not. If he was not living then, he sure died younger than this line was inclined to. Thanks alot! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAMIDDLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAMIDDLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2634 - Release Date: 01/20/10 09:12:00

John, I'm not looknig for what a Rice genealogy says, I'm looking specifically for who the town records say fathered Gershom allegedly b 1667. The town records are a primary record and should be authoritative on who fathered Gershom Rice. In the presence of DNA reason to doubt that Gershom was Thomas Rice's son, what a family genealogy says is nothing more than hearsay. I specifically asked for a lookup in the NEHGS town records databases. Not to try to argue you out of knowing what I want better than I do, because I know that won't work, but I do want to make sure noone else thinks you provided what I asked for! The Rice Assn says he married Elizabeth Balcom, not Elizabeth Haynes. They offered two pieces of proof that Elizabeth was a Balcom. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Buczek" <john.buczek@comcast.net> To: "'Dora Smith'" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com>; <mamiddle@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [MAMiddle] Need NEHGS vital records lookups >1 - 4 Thomas RICE married Mary King, and resided in Sudbury till 1664, when > he moved to Marlborough, of which township he was a proprietor. He died > November 16, 1681. He had thirteen children, six of whom were born in > Sudbury, the rest in Marlboro. > > 4 - 24 Grace, born -; died at Sudbury January 13, 1654. > 4 - 25 Thomas, born June 30, 1654; married Mary _____ > 4 - 26 Mary, born September 4, 1656 ; married 1678, Josiah White. > 4 - 27 Peter, born October 24,1658; married 1688, Mary Howe. > 4 - 28 Nathaniel, born January 3, 1660; married 1st, Sarah _____,and 2d, > Patience Stone, died 1726. > 4 - 29 Sarah, born January 1 5, 1662; married _____ Adams, and died at the > age of 80. > 4 - 30 Ephraim, born April 15, 1665 ; he was twice married, resided in > Sudbury, was a proprietor of Worcester. > 4 - 31 Gershom, born May 9, 1667; married Elizabeth Haynes. > 4 - 32 James, born March 6, 1669; married Sarah Stone. > 4 - 33 Frances, born February 3, 1671 ; married Benjamin Allen, > 4 - 34 Jonas, born March 6, 1673; married, February 10, 1701-2, Mary > Stone, > resided at Worcester. > > Go here for the complete genealogy > > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~historyofmarlborough/geniric > e.htm#Rice > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mamiddle-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mamiddle-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Dora Smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:36 AM > To: mamiddle@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAMiddle] Need NEHGS vital records lookups > > I need to check. Gershom Rice was allegedly born 9 May 1667 in > Marlborough, > Massachusetts. But my source gives him no parents. There is genetic > irregularity about some of his sons' descent from his purported > grandfather. > > > Can someone please just check and see who the birth or baptism record > lists > as his parents? > > Also, I have two great great or something uncles who I don't have deaths > for, and I'm particularly interested in their ages at death and causes of > death. In photos they look like they had severe cases of the manic > depression that ran in the family. > > Eli W Raymond, b 31 Dec 1824, lived in Westminster and/or Westchester, > Massachsuetts, a farmer. > > George Raymond, b 3 Mar 1835, a civil engineer in Fitchburg in 1880. That > may mean he was a laborer who operated machinery at the waterworks, in > that > time. I don't know if I looked for him in 1900 or not. If he was not > living then, he sure died younger than this line was inclined to. > > Thanks alot! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAMIDDLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > and > the body of the email with no additional text. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAMIDDLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2634 - Release Date: 01/20/10 > 09:12:00 >