I have these two photos in my family photo collection that are poorly identified. The older woman is "Talitia", who does not exist in my large database. The other is of a girl who looks possibly related but would be her daughter or granddaughter. They are wearing identical white crocheted lace collars on very similar dark dresses. The older woman has a white bonnet with the strings hanging untied. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~villandra/Talitia.jpg and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~villandra/Girl-2.jpg Atleast one of the photos is in an old-fashioned metal plate photo in a gold-toned ornate frame, in one of those boxes with hinges. The one of the older woman may be as well. Some of those photos I've got can be dated with certainty to 1858 or before. I know who some of the people were. One may date to 1865. The family from which I have this type of photo contained alot of very fanatical Baptists, the photos were with them, and that's the impression I get of these dresses. It looks like they were nicely dressed, but the effect is severe. And the girl looks like an entire story in expected teenaged conversion tales, complete with where it was an act. Was the collar one of those Irish crocheted collars? It's plainer than those I found online. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com