----- Original Message ----- From: <MAMIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: MAMIDDLE-D Digest V06 #49

Hello John , you missed the best of the mispronounced stuff , try Yakima ! ; it is not Jac ema as one famous TV guy said , its Yac a ma , Phil , in Seattle , miss that an you get shot at dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Slaughter" <mamiddlegenweb@hotmail.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > Every part of the country has names that are pronounced "funny" according to > the lights of those who live elsewhere. We all have regional dialects. Some > are just more pronounced than others. New Englanders and Southerners are the > most notable. Does that make them wrong? Not a chance. > > I live in Idaho. We don't have much "accent." But, we do pronounce things > differently. Sequim, WA is pronounced Squim. Hmmm! Isn't that kinda like > Billerica where the "e" is omitted? Puyallup is pooh-ell-up. Colville and > Colfax are Call-ville and Coal-fax. Spokane is Spo-can, not cane. Pend > O'Reille is Ponderay. Coeur d'Alene is Core da lane although a few people do > use the French pronunciation of Ker. Moscow is Mahs-koe, not cow as we tend > to pronounce the Russian capital city name. > > I believe that the people who live in an area know the proper pronunciation > for the towns in that area. I think that it is only proper for those who > live elsewhere to do their best to pronounce them properly and NOT to tell > those living there that THEY are wrong. In the case of our New England > cousins, they are rapidly approaching 400 years of pronouncing them the way > they do. I believe that type of seniority and history should be given > precedence. > > > Now, all of that said, this thread has lived out its life and should be put > to rest. As list administrator, I'm saying no more on this subject. > > Thank you. :-) > > John Slaughter > In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. > http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/Brennan.html > > MA-Bay-Colony list moderator > USGenWeb County Coordinator > Essex County, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maessex > Middlesex County, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~mamiddle > USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~macipswi > > > > > > >From: "ancestors wanted" <ancestorswanted@pembroke.myrf.net> > >To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:57:58 -0700 > > > >Dora, You may not like our way of pronouncing words but we have been doing > >it for alot of generations. ANd if you have New England ancestors I dare > >say the talked like we do. I am proud of my New England accent . Most of > >the Texans I have known also have an accent that is interesting to say the > >least. I don't find it necessary to find fault with the way you do > >things-- please don't find fault with the way I say things. Judie > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> > >To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:16 AM > >Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > > > > >>I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for > >>Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced > >>differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the > >>language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = > >>"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling > >>from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important > >>word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient > >>people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. > >> > >>Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in schools? > >> > >>If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is > >>some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying > >>it! > >> > >>I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New > >>England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with Gloucester > >>- Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be Glooster > >>anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! > >> > >>Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could > >>reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. > >> > >>Yours, > >>Dora Smith > >>Austin, TX > >>tiggernut24@yahoo.com > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" > >><ledrich@sssnet.com> > >>To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM > >>Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > >> > >> > >>>Hello > >>> > >>>I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering if > >>>someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? > >>> > >>>I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this OHIO > >>>gal knows. > >>> > >>>I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but the > >>>other town I cannot ask her about. > >>> > >>>Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! > >>>Peggy in OHIO > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 > >> > >> > >>============================== > >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >>areas they lived. 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I am wondering if I should ask the Arlington town librarian to please do these lookups - has anyone ever written to them by email? But I am not in any rush, so if anyone has added this to their list of things to do, please just let me know. I would be very grateful. I hate to impose on anyone. Thank you Susan On 2/9/06, Susan Daily <cullivans@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi - thanks to a good suggestion from a Mamiddler ;-) I was able to > get the death dates for my Mulligan relatives. Would someone be kind > enough to look up their obituaries for me next time they visit the > Arlington library please? > > This is their info from the Town Hall: > > We have a death record for Michael Mulligan who died on March 25, > 1954. He was married to Catherine Rowley. His parents were > William Mulligan and Catherine Lundy. > > We have a death record for Catherine Mulligan who died on > September 29, 1954. She was married to Michael Mulligan. Her > parents were Owen Riley and Catherine Duffy. > > They are both buried at Holy Cross Cemetery in Malden, MA. > > Thank you! > Susan Daily >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: TIERNEY/DILLON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1736 Message Board Post: Would someone please check the city directories for Patrick Tierney? He would probably be a laborer or iron worker. He might be living/connected with a Dillon family. 1860s to 70s.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DILLON/TIERNEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1735 Message Board Post: Would someone please look up the following Dillons: Nicholas (father), Patrick & James (sons). They were iron moulders/foundry operators. Wife Julia and daughters Catherine and Margaret. The 1960 census has them living in Waltham, Ma. I think they came from Ireland in the late 1850s. I found them living in San Francisco in the 1870 census. Any city directories from 1850 to 1870 would be helpful.

As a native of Lawrence MA, who attended ULowell, I always pronounced it Bill- rikka. Sue Windsor CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "edbld" <ees@prodigy.net> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > Karen wrote: So now, is it Bill-ree-ka or is it Bill-rye-ka? I'm > confused. > > Karen > > Only if your from Tex ass !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Sullivan" <ksullivan@hvc.rr.com> > To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:57 AM > Subject: RE: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >> I've lived in New York for the past 40 years, but was born in Minnesota >> and >> as an Army brat lived in both Texas and Oklahoma. I don't know what kind >> of >> an accent I have now, but I always try to pronounce the names of both >> people >> and places as they want them pronounced. It's just common courtesy. And >> when I was visiting Plymouth, Mass., some of my friends from the Alden >> Kindred teased me (good-naturedly of course) about how I pronounce >> "scallops." I said "skallops" and they said "skollops." Patayto, >> patahto. >> >> So now, is it Bill-ree-ka or is it Bill-rye-ka? I'm confused. >> >> Karen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ancestors wanted [mailto:ancestorswanted@pembroke.myrf.net] >> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:58 AM >> To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >> >> >> Dora, You may not like our way of pronouncing words but we have been >> doing >> it for alot of generations. ANd if you have New England ancestors I dare >> say >> >> the talked like we do. I am proud of my New England accent . Most of >> the >> Texans I have known also have an accent that is interesting to say the >> least. I don't find it necessary to find fault with the way you do >> things-- >> >> please don't find fault with the way I say things. Judie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> >> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >> >> >>>I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >>>Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >>>differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in >>>the >>>language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >>>"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its >>>spelling >>>from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >>>word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >>>people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. >>> >>> Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in >>> schools? >>> >>> If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is >>> some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying >>> it! >>> >>> I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New >>> England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with >>> Gloucester - Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be >>> Glooster anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! >>> >>> Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could >>> reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. >>> >>> Yours, >>> Dora Smith >>> Austin, TX >>> tiggernut24@yahoo.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> >>> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM >>> Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >>> >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering >>>> if >>>> someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >>>> >>>> I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this >>>> OHIO >>>> gal knows. >>>> >>>> I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but >>>> the >>>> other town I cannot ask her about. >>>> >>>> Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >>>> Peggy in OHIO >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: >>> 2/10/2006 >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >>> the areas they lived. 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Karen wrote: So now, is it Bill-ree-ka or is it Bill-rye-ka? I'm confused. Karen Only if your from Tex ass !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sullivan" <ksullivan@hvc.rr.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > I've lived in New York for the past 40 years, but was born in Minnesota > and > as an Army brat lived in both Texas and Oklahoma. I don't know what kind > of > an accent I have now, but I always try to pronounce the names of both > people > and places as they want them pronounced. It's just common courtesy. And > when I was visiting Plymouth, Mass., some of my friends from the Alden > Kindred teased me (good-naturedly of course) about how I pronounce > "scallops." I said "skallops" and they said "skollops." Patayto, > patahto. > > So now, is it Bill-ree-ka or is it Bill-rye-ka? I'm confused. > > Karen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ancestors wanted [mailto:ancestorswanted@pembroke.myrf.net] > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:58 AM > To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > > Dora, You may not like our way of pronouncing words but we have been doing > it for alot of generations. ANd if you have New England ancestors I dare > say > > the talked like we do. I am proud of my New England accent . Most of the > Texans I have known also have an accent that is interesting to say the > least. I don't find it necessary to find fault with the way you do > things-- > > please don't find fault with the way I say things. Judie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> > To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >>I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >>Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >>differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the >>language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >>"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling >>from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >>word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >>people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. >> >> Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in >> schools? >> >> If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is >> some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying >> it! >> >> I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New >> England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with >> Gloucester - Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be >> Glooster anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! >> >> Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could >> reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@yahoo.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> >> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM >> Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >> >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering >>> if >>> someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >>> >>> I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this >>> OHIO >>> gal knows. >>> >>> I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but >>> the >>> other town I cannot ask her about. >>> >>> Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >>> Peggy in OHIO >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >> the areas they lived. 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sullivan" <ksullivan@hvc.rr.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > I've lived in New York for the past 40 years, but was born in Minnesota > and > as an Army brat lived in both Texas and Oklahoma. I don't know what kind > of > an accent I have now, but I always try to pronounce the names of both > people > and places as they want them pronounced. It's just common courtesy. And > when I was visiting Plymouth, Mass., some of my friends from the Alden > Kindred teased me (good-naturedly of course) about how I pronounce > "scallops." I said "skallops" and they said "skollops." Patayto, > patahto. > > So now, is it Bill-ree-ka or is it Bill-rye-ka? I'm confused. > > Karen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ancestors wanted [mailto:ancestorswanted@pembroke.myrf.net] > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:58 AM > To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > > Dora, You may not like our way of pronouncing words but we have been doing > it for alot of generations. ANd if you have New England ancestors I dare > say > > the talked like we do. I am proud of my New England accent . Most of the > Texans I have known also have an accent that is interesting to say the > least. I don't find it necessary to find fault with the way you do > things-- > > please don't find fault with the way I say things. Judie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> > To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >>I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >>Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >>differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the >>language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >>"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling >>from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >>word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >>people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. >> >> Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in >> schools? >> >> If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is >> some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying >> it! >> >> I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New >> England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with >> Gloucester - Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be >> Glooster anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! >> >> Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could >> reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> tiggernut24@yahoo.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> >> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM >> Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >> >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering >>> if >>> someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >>> >>> I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this >>> OHIO >>> gal knows. >>> >>> I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but >>> the >>> other town I cannot ask her about. >>> >>> Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >>> Peggy in OHIO >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >> the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 >> months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn > more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: 10/24/2005 > >

I removed ees@prodigy.net from the MAMiddle list. That person is suspended for one month. I will NOT tolerate that type of talk on this list. It was totally uncalled for and extremely rude. Please keep that in mind. John Slaughter In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/Brennan.html MA-Bay-Colony list moderator USGenWeb County Coordinator Essex County, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maessex Middlesex County, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~mamiddle USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macipswi _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Every part of the country has names that are pronounced "funny" according to the lights of those who live elsewhere. We all have regional dialects. Some are just more pronounced than others. New Englanders and Southerners are the most notable. Does that make them wrong? Not a chance. I live in Idaho. We don't have much "accent." But, we do pronounce things differently. Sequim, WA is pronounced Squim. Hmmm! Isn't that kinda like Billerica where the "e" is omitted? Puyallup is pooh-ell-up. Colville and Colfax are Call-ville and Coal-fax. Spokane is Spo-can, not cane. Pend O'Reille is Ponderay. Coeur d'Alene is Core da lane although a few people do use the French pronunciation of Ker. Moscow is Mahs-koe, not cow as we tend to pronounce the Russian capital city name. I believe that the people who live in an area know the proper pronunciation for the towns in that area. I think that it is only proper for those who live elsewhere to do their best to pronounce them properly and NOT to tell those living there that THEY are wrong. In the case of our New England cousins, they are rapidly approaching 400 years of pronouncing them the way they do. I believe that type of seniority and history should be given precedence. Now, all of that said, this thread has lived out its life and should be put to rest. As list administrator, I'm saying no more on this subject. Thank you. :-) John Slaughter In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/Brennan.html MA-Bay-Colony list moderator USGenWeb County Coordinator Essex County, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maessex Middlesex County, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~mamiddle USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~macipswi >From: "ancestors wanted" <ancestorswanted@pembroke.myrf.net> >To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:57:58 -0700 > >Dora, You may not like our way of pronouncing words but we have been doing >it for alot of generations. ANd if you have New England ancestors I dare >say the talked like we do. I am proud of my New England accent . Most of >the Texans I have known also have an accent that is interesting to say the >least. I don't find it necessary to find fault with the way you do >things-- please don't find fault with the way I say things. Judie >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> >To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:16 AM >Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >>I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >>Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >>differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the >>language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >>"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling >>from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >>word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >>people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. >> >>Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in schools? >> >>If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is >>some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying >>it! >> >>I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New >>England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with Gloucester >>- Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be Glooster >>anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! >> >>Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could >>reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. >> >>Yours, >>Dora Smith >>Austin, TX >>tiggernut24@yahoo.com >>----- Original Message ----- From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" >><ledrich@sssnet.com> >>To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM >>Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >> >> >>>Hello >>> >>>I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering if >>>someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >>> >>>I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this OHIO >>>gal knows. >>> >>>I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but the >>>other town I cannot ask her about. >>> >>>Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >>>Peggy in OHIO >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 >> >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. 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I've lived in New York for the past 40 years, but was born in Minnesota and as an Army brat lived in both Texas and Oklahoma. I don't know what kind of an accent I have now, but I always try to pronounce the names of both people and places as they want them pronounced. It's just common courtesy. And when I was visiting Plymouth, Mass., some of my friends from the Alden Kindred teased me (good-naturedly of course) about how I pronounce "scallops." I said "skallops" and they said "skollops." Patayto, patahto. So now, is it Bill-ree-ka or is it Bill-rye-ka? I'm confused. Karen -----Original Message----- From: ancestors wanted [mailto:ancestorswanted@pembroke.myrf.net] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:58 AM To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME Dora, You may not like our way of pronouncing words but we have been doing it for alot of generations. ANd if you have New England ancestors I dare say the talked like we do. I am proud of my New England accent . Most of the Texans I have known also have an accent that is interesting to say the least. I don't find it necessary to find fault with the way you do things-- please don't find fault with the way I say things. Judie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the >language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling >from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. > > Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in > schools? > > If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is > some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying > it! > > I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New > England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with > Gloucester - Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be > Glooster anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! > > Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could > reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> > To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM > Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >> Hello >> >> I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering >> if >> someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >> >> I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this >> OHIO >> gal knows. >> >> I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but >> the >> other town I cannot ask her about. >> >> Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >> Peggy in OHIO > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 > months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I grew up in the town of Arlington, which was pronounced Ahlington, but in my great-grandfather's day was pronounced West Cambridge. -dja

Dora, You may not like our way of pronouncing words but we have been doing it for alot of generations. ANd if you have New England ancestors I dare say the talked like we do. I am proud of my New England accent . Most of the Texans I have known also have an accent that is interesting to say the least. I don't find it necessary to find fault with the way you do things-- please don't find fault with the way I say things. Judie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the >language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling >from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. > > Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in schools? > > If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is > some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying > it! > > I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New > England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with > Gloucester - Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be > Glooster anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! > > Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could > reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> > To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM > Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >> Hello >> >> I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering if >> someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >> >> I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this OHIO >> gal knows. >> >> I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but the >> other town I cannot ask her about. >> >> Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >> Peggy in OHIO > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1734 Message Board Post: Could someone look up an obit for Sophie Ebert. She was born on 6/10/1898 and died May 1983 ( according to the SSDI Record ). She was married to George Ebert who passed away in Chelsea. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Hi List, I need some help in finding an obit. I do not have the Day of death. I only have month and year. I am looking for the obit for Arthur Allen CUMMING who was living in Tyngsboro when he died, Feb. 1970. Arthur was born in 1905 and had a wife and 5 known children. His wife's name was Bernice (nee LeGay) CUMMING. She died in Dracut in 1989. I have her obit but it does not give the date for Arthur's death except the year. If anyone can help, I would really appreciate it. Sometimes, the name is incorrectly spelled as CUMMINGS. Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

You can blame our English ancestors for a lot of this since most of the town names originated there. Donald Dillaby Nashua, NH -----Original Message----- From: Betty [mailto:bbffrrpp@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:14 PM To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME Hi Dora, I believe the difference is how one person pronounces some word vs. how another does ... comes under the category of : do you do things the easy way or always do things the hard way ! (not you personally) (I'm always saying that to my friend - who always does things the hard way or the long way or the more difficult way.) But, this is another coincidence, as earlier this afternoon I was looking at a book on men who were part of the history of Cambridge, MA, and came across a man, named ... Forris NORRIS ! :o) (And, his first son was named, Forris Norris, Jr.) Betty (near Lowell, MA) P.S. The reason the name, Billerica, came up on the CT List is someone asked how to pronounce the name of a town in CT: North Grosvenordale ! The response was: Grove' nor Dale ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the >language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling >from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. > > Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in schools? > > If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is > some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying > it! > > I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New > England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with > Gloucester - Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be > Glooster anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! > > Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could > reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> > To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM > Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >> Hello >> >> I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering if >> someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >> >> I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this OHIO >> gal knows. >> >> I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but the >> other town I cannot ask her about. >> >> Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >> Peggy in OHIO > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 > > ______________________________ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Dora, I believe the difference is how one person pronounces some word vs. how another does ... comes under the category of : do you do things the easy way or always do things the hard way ! (not you personally) (I'm always saying that to my friend - who always does things the hard way or the long way or the more difficult way.) But, this is another coincidence, as earlier this afternoon I was looking at a book on men who were part of the history of Cambridge, MA, and came across a man, named ... Forris NORRIS ! :o) (And, his first son was named, Forris Norris, Jr.) Betty (near Lowell, MA) P.S. The reason the name, Billerica, came up on the CT List is someone asked how to pronounce the name of a town in CT: North Grosvenordale ! The response was: Grove' nor Dale ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the >language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling >from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. > > Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in schools? > > If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is > some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying > it! > > I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New > England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with > Gloucester - Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be > Glooster anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! > > Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could > reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> > To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM > Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >> Hello >> >> I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering if >> someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >> >> I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this OHIO >> gal knows. >> >> I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but the >> other town I cannot ask her about. >> >> Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >> Peggy in OHIO > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 > > ______________________________

Hi Peggy, That's quite a coincidence ! I just told someone on a CT List an hour ago - how to pronounce Billerica ! I lived in that town for 36 years, and everyone I know pronounces it like the man's name: Bill Ricka ! Billerica was named after a town in England, which is spelled slightly differently, Billericay. A few years ago I asked someone living in that town, and they said they pronounce it like the man's name, Bill Er Ricky ! :o) Usually, people in MA can come up with a good attempt at pronouncing Billerica ! But, so many times I talked to people on the phone from the other half of the country, and they don't even want to attempt to pronounce it ! We also have a town, Leicester, which is in the Worcester vicinity, and that is pronounced like the name, Lester ! And, I would spell my pronunciation of Worcester as ... Wooster ! I think there is a book on the origins of the names of towns in New England ! The towns were named after towns in England (or Great Britain), Native American words, people's names, etc., so it is no wonder that we have a wonderful collection of .. unusual names of towns ! Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > Hello > > I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering if > someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? > > I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this OHIO > gal knows. > > I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but the > other town I cannot ask her about. > > Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! > Peggy in OHIO > > ______________________________

To My Way or the Highway Dora Just because you are hard headed doesn't mean you are right. I was born and raised in Mass. and have always acknowledge the preferred pronunciation of any locale, to be that of those living there. I now live in Florida where there are different pronunciations of various names of cities and towns. I certainly do not plan to impose my thinking on those that live in Kissimmee (Ka sim me ) and not ( Kiss a me ). You sound like you just graduated from the GW school of pronunciation like "New clear" instead of Nuclear. Edbld in Fl. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME >I usually pronounce names the way they are spelled. That goes for >Worcester, and Gloucester. I figure that if folks want it pronounced >differently, they can change the spelling. I can live with changes in the >language over time, like silent e's, and silent gh, but "Worcester" = >"Wooster" is just too ridiculous. Even "ketchup" has changed its spelling >from teh hopelessly outdated "catsup", and that's a far less important >word. Though it is used more often, and I can see thousands of impatient >people refusing to write "catsup" for ketchup. > > Is this a product of the whole word method of teaching reading in schools? > > If Billerica isn't bill - er- ee'- kah or bill -er -eek' @ (where @ is > some sort of universal symbol for the scwa), that's still how I'm saying > it! > > I can't imagine how good old fashioned solid feet on their ground New > England stock, of which I am one, could possibly go along with > Gloucester - Glooster and Worcester - Wooster. When did it get to be > Glooster anyhow. When I was a kid, it was Foster from Gloster! > > Anyhow, it isn't a stupid question. Gloucester = Glooster could > reasonably have people asking if bat is still pronounced bat. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > tiggernut24@yahoo.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <ledrich@sssnet.com> > To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:57 AM > Subject: [MAMiddle] PRONUNCIATION OF TOWN NAME > > >> Hello >> >> I have been on this list / digest for a while now and was wondering if >> someone could tell me how is the name of Billerica pronounced??? >> >> I am a phonetic speller but this one I think is different than this OHIO >> gal knows. >> >> I do know from a friend that Worcester is pronounced (Wuster), but the >> other town I cannot ask her about. >> >> Thank you for you patience and assistance!!! >> Peggy in OHIO > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: 10/24/2005 > >

When we were going to visit HAVE - VER - HILL, we were corrected quite smartly (ouch!) but were happy to begin to use the local and preferred pronunciation. After all, we live near BOI - CEE, not BOY-ZEEE...and we understood how the incorrect pronunciation can insult the ear! Suzi in Idaho