This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AFB.2ACE/1811.1 Message Board Post: The thing to do is check with the library in the town/city they keep records of the newpapers or contact the news paper for there archives..

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Corea/Correa/Silva Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AFB.2ACE/1175.3.1 Message Board Post: That's disturbing!!! It's true, though. It's also something I didn't think of. Thank you. I'm still searching for more information on this part of my family. I think that hoping for some funereal records may be too long a shot for any information. Thank you again. I very much appreciate your insight and post!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Nickerson Webber Crawford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1808.2.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you Katherine for your help , much appreciated, i am glad for all the help i have received from you and Susan on here , it it great to have people like you to share. Deloris

Hello, While I was browsing the postings to the Middlesex County Message Board at www.genforum.com I came across a query from a few years ago. A researcher was looking for the names of the parents of brothers, Joel and John DIX. I just added the paragraph from the genealogy section of the "History of Billerica" and am posting it here - as an FYI. Perhaps Janice can post the DIX paragraph from the "History of Chelmsford." Does it say who their parents were? "DIX, Joel, 1, and John, 2, brothers, came from Chelmsford, 1820. They had sisters: Lucy, who m. 1823, Oct. 26; Jonathan Wilson, and Nancy, who m. John Mixer. 1. Joel, m. Priscilla Parker. He d. 1861, Dec. 29, and she d. 12 days before, Age 71. Ch. Clarissa, b. 1811, Nov. 7; m. 1836, March 10, Warren Richardson, of Westford. Sibbel, b. 1813, Nov. 3; m. 1835, Oct. 22, George W. Rand. Mary, b. 1815, June 11. Joel, b1817, March 26. Almira, b. 1819, Jan. 25. Eliza Jane, b. 1821, Dec. 11; m. 1839, Nov. 29, Warren M. Batcheller. Fanny, b. 1823, Oct. 2; d. 1848, July 31. Sarah, b. 1825, Aug. 19. Albert H., b. 1829, June 12. Lucy Ann, b. 1831, April 15. 2. John had ch. John Adams, who lives in Chelmsford, near Lowell, Joel H., 3. Andrew Newton, who lives in Waverly, Iowa. Jonathan. Mary Ann, who m. ____ Babbitt, and Delia, who m. ____ Martin. 3. Joel H. m. Emma Jane McLaren, of Gardiner, Me., who d. 1879, Aug. 18, aged 47. He is in business with his son, in Chicago; bought in 1875, the house built by Judge Locke, on the north corner of the West and Long streets, where his family reside. Ch. William Shakespeare, b. 1849, Jan. 17. Georgianna T., b. in Burlington, Vt., 1850, March 11; m. James A. Yantis, and 1879, Samuel Pillsbury. Jennie B., b. 1853, July 13; m. L. A. Edwards, of Chicago. 4. Lucy m. 1818, Sept., Theodore Strong, of Clinton, New York. Hope this helps someone ! For MA researchers, you would be a lucky person - if you owned your own copy of both books ! Betty (near Lowell, MA) P.S. On my genealogy wish-list would be the histories of Woburn and Charlestown -- as Woburn people moved to Billerica and Chelmsford, and Woburn was once part of Charlestown -- and Winchester .. came from them !

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AFB.2ACE/1814.1.1 Message Board Post: Let me clarify that...it seems unlikely that they could have 2 kids named Thomas alive at the same time. The place of death for Thomas Edgar Killoran/Killoren was 3 White St. Pl. in Cambridge; burial at "St. Paul's" Arlington. This is under the auspice of the Catholic Cemetery Association; which they have a search query form but want $35 per request for them to look up/provide burial records. I called the office and the woman faxed to me the info a long time ago free of charge but they may have changed this since then. If you live in the area, perhaps they could give you the plot number and location w/in the cemetery and you could check it out. Their website is: http://www.ccemetery.org/About/locations.html Good luck, Lisa

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AFB.2ACE/1814.1 Message Board Post: He only comes up the index...the images are not yet available, which is where all the pertinent info would be. They should be added sometime soon. The following comes up in the index for Cambridge: Thomas Francis Killoren, 1894; Vol 440, pg. 131, birth Thomas J. Killoren, 1907; Vol. 28, pg. 501, death Did the son die in Cambridge? I have found an argument against this Thomas Francis being the child of Thomas J. and Magaret Dignan Killoren...the death of another child of theirs in 1898, Thomas Edgar Killoren. This Thomas Edgar's birth is indexed as being in 1890...but no link to the image yet. The death is linked to the actual image and gives the following info: "13 Dec 1898, Thomas Edgar Killoran, age 8y 7m 28d, cause of death: valvular heart disease, place of death/burial: 3 White St. Pl./St. Paul's Arlington; place of birth: Cambridge; Parents: Thomas J. (b. England) and Margaret Dignan (b. Louisville, NY). It seems pretty unlikely that they would have 2 children named Thomas... Hope this is of some help. Lisa

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AFB.2ACE/1812.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thomas Francis Cambridge 1894 440 131 Birth image not available Thomas J. Cambridge 1889 398 64 marriage image not available Thomas J. Cambridge 1907 28 501 Death image not available I checked the 1900 census for Cambridge and Thomas j and Margaret had only two children listed, Alice and Frances. Thomas f may not be part of this family but you will have to order the birth certificate from the archives to be sure

Hi Barbara, At the end of the 1990's, I tried to obtain my medical records from the Brigham & Women's from a stay there in the early 1980's, and I was told that hospitals are not required to keep "medical records" beyond 10 years ! And, beyond the Melrose-Wakefield Hospital, I did a search trying to remind myself of the hospital in Stoneham, and I came across this web page ! It reminded me of the Winchester Hospital ! http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/1999/04/19/newscolumn2.html?jst=s_rs_hl And, this is a related article where it is mentioned that the Winchester Hospital was trying to also take over the former Stoneham hospital run by the "7th Day Adventist Church." Oh, no wonder I'm confused. Here is an old posting on a Board at www.genforum.com which offers the 3 former names of the hospital in Stoneham: http://genforum.genealogy.com/ma/middlesex/messages/139.html Hope this helps. Betty P.S. I was just reminded that one of the places where I forget to place my queries, and forget to check the archives of, is the "place-name" Boards at both www.genforum.com and at www.rootsweb.com (Message Boards). I just did a quick search for my KIDDER name there, and only 3 old messages came up ! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nsambradley@aol.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Medical Records! > My mother and grandmother died in Melrose Ma 1976, 1978 respectively and > my > dad died in > Stoneham Ma in 1952. I am wondering if there is anyway for me to obtain > their medical records.? They were all in hospital at the time of their > death. > The hospital my dad died in isn't there anylonger-I don't think, or has > changed its name. We were living in Reading at the time of all 3 deaths. > Any > help would be appreciated. Thank you. > > Barbara > > ______________________________

Hi John, Thank you for your continuing genealogy-work ! Just as an FYI to the List, I'd like to offer the complete title for the "history of Arlington" "History of the Town of Arlington, Massachusetts, formerly the Second Precinct in Cambridge, or District of Menotomy, afterward the Town of West Cambridge, 1635-1879, with a Genealogical Register of the Inhabitants of the Precinct." by Benjamin and William R. CUTTER Boston, David Clapp & Son, 1880 And, just an amusing thing which struck me today. Earlier this morning, I was trying to type the word, genealogical, in a hurry, and I noticed that part of the word is ......logical ... ! :o) I just checked my dictionary, and, in general, it says that the word is broken down into "family + logical" .. :o) (actually -- the study of the descent of a family ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Slaughter" <mamiddlegenweb@hotmail.com> To: <MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Arlington VRs > Good morning, everyone. :-) > Work is still going on to get the early vital records to 1850 made free > at NEHGS. Until this is done, the project continues. Arlington is now > transcribed and online. Sorry, I don't have the page images, yet. > The vital records can be accessed at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~maessex/VitalRecords/ > > > John > In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. > http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/Brennan.html > > MA-Bay-Colony list moderator > USGenWeb County Coordinator > Essex County, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~maessex > Middlesex County, MA - http://www.rootsweb.com/~mamiddle > USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~macipswi > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > ______________________________

"Funeral homes" (or "parlors"), were rare into the 1930s. A deceased was generally prepared for burial 'at home', where there was a 'wake', if any. My grandfather was a close friend to his cousin, an undertaker who had a "funeral parlor". In 1938, Grandpa unexpectedly died in his bed and the cousin was the 'undertaker' and the wake was 'at home', which I remember as we lived there.

Hi Irene, The one I mentioned is just outside of Davis Square in Somerville, but it's just over the line into Cambridge (going towards Mass. Ave.). Betty For those who used to shop in "Davis Square," it would be Day Street and Chester Street which ran from the area of Mass. Ave. in Cambridge where St. John's Church (?) is ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Landenberger To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com ; bbffrrpp@comcast.net Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] Re: NEHGS members - marriage lookup There was a 'house turned hospital' in Somerville. I've forgotten the name but I'm sure that others on the list will know. Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: bbffrrpp@comcast.net To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: [MAMiddle] Re: NEHGS members - marriage lookup This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1813.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi again. The only larger hospital in Arlington was the Symmes Hospital. While my father was in the Army Air Corps during WW II, he married my mother .. and I was born 9 mos. later ! My mother came home from where they were stationed in Missouri to deliver me, and I believe she stayed with her parents in Medford or Somerville. But, I was born in a "large house turned hospital" in Cambridge ! (It was very near the Somerville line.) I wonder whether there were "large houses turned hospitals" in all cities and towns in Greater Boston ! (Prompted by a posting on a Nova Scotia List, I borrowed some books from the Library on the history of hospitals in Boston. I haven't had a chance to look at them, yet, but I am curious when the "larger hospitals" came into being, and -- how good they were ! And, did the "large houses turned hospitals" start after 1900 ?) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

There was a 'house turned hospital' in Somerville. I've forgotten the name but I'm sure that others on the list will know. Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: bbffrrpp@comcast.net<mailto:bbffrrpp@comcast.net> To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: [MAMiddle] Re: NEHGS members - marriage lookup This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1813.1.1.1<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1813.1.1.1> Message Board Post: Hi again. The only larger hospital in Arlington was the Symmes Hospital. While my father was in the Army Air Corps during WW II, he married my mother .. and I was born 9 mos. later ! My mother came home from where they were stationed in Missouri to deliver me, and I believe she stayed with her parents in Medford or Somerville. But, I was born in a "large house turned hospital" in Cambridge ! (It was very near the Somerville line.) I wonder whether there were "large houses turned hospitals" in all cities and towns in Greater Boston ! (Prompted by a posting on a Nova Scotia List, I borrowed some books from the Library on the history of hospitals in Boston. I haven't had a chance to look at them, yet, but I am curious when the "larger hospitals" came into being, and -- how good they were ! And, did the "large houses turned hospitals" start after 1900 ?) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

I don't know about getting hold of medical records, the Melrose Wakefield Hospital is still in existence so you could call them directly. But if you are looking for cause of death that would be listed on the death certificate available at The Registry of Vital Records in Dorchester as well as Melrose City Hall. Someone suggested you ask for the long form to show cause if death but wouldn't really know about that. Calling city hall in Melrose might give you the best answer for that. Kendra At 09:44 AM 4/10/2006 -0400, Nsambradley@aol.com wrote: >My mother and grandmother died in Melrose Ma 1976, 1978 respectively and my >dad died in >Stoneham Ma in 1952. I am wondering if there is anyway for me to obtain >their medical records.? They were all in hospital at the time of their >death. >The hospital my dad died in isn't there anylonger-I don't think, or has >changed its name. We were living in Reading at the time of all 3 >deaths. Any >help would be appreciated. Thank you. > >Barbara > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WEBBER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1808.2.1.1 Message Board Post: The passenger ship info and the World War I draft card info both came from Ancestry.com. I did a search on Waldo Webber (Exact surname) and W Webber (Soundex surname) to find all the various bits that I posted for you yesterday. Good luck with the rest of your hunt! Susan

My mother and grandmother died in Melrose Ma 1976, 1978 respectively and my dad died in Stoneham Ma in 1952. I am wondering if there is anyway for me to obtain their medical records.? They were all in hospital at the time of their death. The hospital my dad died in isn't there anylonger-I don't think, or has changed its name. We were living in Reading at the time of all 3 deaths. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Barbara

The Marlborough City Hospital was incorporated Feb. 2 7, 1890, by Miss Hannah E. Bigelow, Hon. S. H. Howe, Edward L. Bigelow, Henry O. Russell, James T. Murphy, Dr. James Campbell, Timothy A. Coolidge, W. H. Fay, Hon. J. W. McDonald, W. S. Frost, Hon. W. N. Davenport, Onestime Lavasseur, Francis C. Curtis, Hon. John O'Connell, Winslow M. Warren, and John E. Curtis. In Sept. 1891 the house of Sylvester Bucklin was purchased and preparations made for occupancy. The Institution was opened to the public in 1891, and remained so until Aug. 1894 Link to story http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~historyofmarlborough/historymarlboroh ospitalbeging.htm#BEGINNING -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bbffrrpp@comcast.net Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:09 AM To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAMiddle] Re: NEHGS members - marriage lookup This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1813.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi again. The only larger hospital in Arlington was the Symmes Hospital. While my father was in the Army Air Corps during WW II, he married my mother .. and I was born 9 mos. later ! My mother came home from where they were stationed in Missouri to deliver me, and I believe she stayed with her parents in Medford or Somerville. But, I was born in a "large house turned hospital" in Cambridge ! (It was very near the Somerville line.) I wonder whether there were "large houses turned hospitals" in all cities and towns in Greater Boston ! (Prompted by a posting on a Nova Scotia List, I borrowed some books from the Library on the history of hospitals in Boston. I haven't had a chance to look at them, yet, but I am curious when the "larger hospitals" came into being, and -- how good they were ! And, did the "large houses turned hospitals" start after 1900 ?) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AFB.2ACE/1808.2.2.1 Message Board Post: I forgot to mention there is info on the LDS website which is free on the parents of Sarah/Agnes Nickerson and family.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACE/1812.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Carol Thank you very much for info - Don't look for Edgar Killoren - the name is wrong it is Thomas F. Killoren born in Cambridge MA 1894 Again thank you

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AFB.2ACE/1812.1.1.1 Message Board Post: This only means the image is not available on line for viewing. If you would like copies to check who parents are you can order them from the massachusetts archives. They charge $3 a copy. The link below will explain how to do this. http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcres/residx.htm I have to go out now but I will try looking for Edgar tonight. Carol

Subject: History of Bedford, Mass. by Lemuel Shattuck, 1835 Source: From: The History of the Town of Concord, Mass. by Lemuel Shattuck, 1835. Part 6 p.266 After Mr. Sherman's dismission from the church, several meetings were held to agree on the terms of communion. April 4, 1768, it was voted "that this church will have but one covenant and therefore require some qualifications in all; yet if any person can desire to enter into covenant and receive baptism for himself or children, and yet fears to approach the Lord's table at present, he shall be received, he promising (though he come not immediately to the Lord's table) that he will submit himself to the watch and discipline of the church." The other regulations of the church, though revised, were not materially varied from those already noticed. During the interval till the ordination of Mr. Sherman's successor, 28 persons were baptized and 7 joined the church in full communion. On September 7, 1767 the church chose the Rev. Josiah Thacher, a graduate of Nassau Hall in 1760, to be their minister and the town agreed to give him £120 settlement and £60 as his annual salary. But before the application could be regularly made to him, he received and accepted a call at Gorham. February 18, 1768, the church made a second attempt to settle a minister and chose unanimously by 22 votes, the Rev. Joseph Willard. The town concurred and voted the same salary as to Mr. Thacher, excepting that when he should be unable to supply the pulpit, he was to receive but £30. Before the terms of his settlement were finally agreed upon, he declined being considered a candidate. The Rev. Joseph Willard was a native of Grafton, was graduated at Harvard College in 1765, ordained in Mendon April 19, 1769, dismissed December 14, 1782 and installed at Boxborough November 2, 1785. He died in September, 1828, aged 86 years. p.267 In the next attempt the church did not proceed with much harmony. A majority were in favor of Mr. John Emerson of Malden, but "for peace sake," Mr. Asa Dunbar, "a young candidate newly begun to preach," was employed for a month. At length, August 22, 1769, the church chose Mr. Emerson by 18 votes and the town concurred, and voted him £133 settlement and £66. 13 shillings & 4 pence salary. "But there was such an opposition in town against Mr. Emerson settling here, though without any charge against his character either in doctrine or morals, that he was constrained to give the church and town a denial." The next trial succeeded. Mr. Joseph Penniman was chosen, January 15, 1771 by 29 out of 31 votes, and the choice concurred in by the town. His salary was the same as was voted to Mr. Emerson. He was ordained May 22, 1771. The council consisted of the second church of Braintree, the second in Cambridge, the first in Woburn and the churches in Billerica, Lincoln, Lexington and Concord. The Rev. Mr. Sherman of Woburn made the first prayer; the Rev. Mr. Weld of Braintree preached from 2 Tim. ii.2; the Rev. Mr. Cook of West Cambridge gave the charge; the Rev. Mr. Clark of Lexington gave the right hand of fellowship. The town voted, "that the day should be religiously observed agreeably to the solemnity of the occasion, that they were determined, as much as in them lay, to prevent all levity, profaneness, music, dancing, frolicking and all other disorders." After about twenty years, during which 42 persons wer admitted to full communion and 190 baptized, objections were brought against Mr. Penniman, and referred to a council, consisting of the churches in Waltham, Chelsea, East Sudbury, Billerica, Weston and Charlestown. It met October 29, 1793 and, after three days' session, advised a separation. This was complied with by the church and town; and he was dismissed November 1, 1793. The Rev. Mr. Penniman was born in Braintree and graduated at Harvard College in 1765. After his dismission he removed to Harvard, Mass., where he died. Though possessed of respectable talents, he was very eccentric in his manners and public performances. His prayers were more like a familiar conversation with a fellow being than an address to Deity. Many of his expressions more marked than the following, are still recollected by his people. p.268 On a certain occasion when a plentiful rain had come after a drought, he said, "We prayed, O Lord, for rain, but we do not wish thou shouldest leave the bottles of Heaven unstopped." So after the the 19th of April, 1775, (Battles of Lexington & Concord) he is said to have used the expression, "We pray thee to send the British soldiers where they will do some good; for thou knowest, O Lord, that we have no use for them about here !" December 5, 1793 was kept as a fast by the church and the town. The Rev. Messrs. Litchfield, Cummings, Ripley, Marrett, and Clark assisted in the public religious services on the occasion. The Rev. Samuel Stearns was chosen December 17, 1795 by the church and December 28th by the town; having preached his first sermon in Bedford the 13th of the previous September. The churches of Lexington, Billerica, second in Woburn, Concord, Lincoln, Carlisle, second in Andover, Epping, Chelmsford, and the Rev. Doctors Willard and Tappan of Cambridge composed the council. The Rev. Mr. Stearns of Lincoln made the first prayer; the Rev. Mr. French of Andover preached from Isaiah xlix.5; the Rev. Mr. Clark of Lexington gave the charge; the Rev. Mr. Cummings of Billerica gave the right hand of fellowship; and the Rev. Dr. Tappan made the closing prayer. The town agreed to give the Rev. Mr. Stearns £850 settlement and $333.33 salary to be stated on the following articles: corn 666 mills and rye 833 mills per bushel; beef 4.166 per hundred weight and pork 55 mills per pound; one quarter of the salary in each of the above articles. In 1811, a new contract was made and the salary fixed at $560 and 20 cords of wood annually. The confession of faith and the covenant were revised in 1798 and printed in 1821. The church then contained 105 members of whom 40 were males and 65 females. In 1829 there were 140 members. The Rev. Samuel Stearns, son of the Rev. Josiah Stearns was born at Epping, New Hampshire April 8, 1770 and graduated at Harvard College in 1794. His ministry has generally been remarkably peaceful and happy. It is only within the last two years that the town gave any decided indications towards a division of the religious society, after the example of her neighbors. In 1842 this division was made and a new meeting house erected for Mr. Stearns. To be continued Part 7 - p. 269 - The Deacons. 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