In ireland people didnt use middle names the way we do. They used them as james ben robert. In other word the middle names were the fathers name Why does that matter well in canada they didnt use the first names but the middle names. So i had a neil dever who I swore I found in two records but the fathers name was wrong patrick and then james Well it turns out his dads name was patrick james. They came thru canada and in doing so patrick became james. So when they came here they were used to james. So neil used james. then after a while they caught on and went back to patrick. This can cause you great consternation as it did me. I heard this in a lecture at the new england genealogical historical event in randolph mass a while back. hope this helps you find them jim all denning-dever-cogan in mass-some malone-carroll-mcguire-doherty-mcneil-piscopo-mazzola-heslin-martini-feddis-fa rley-dennen-dinan-fredricks- ____________________________________ "we go to school to learn the words of fools" bob dylan