john malone lived in chelsea ma he was born in leitrim and married bridget heslin they came to chelsea ma anmd their son my grand uncle became the first 1rish catholic mayor of chelsea i did this because there has to be some northern malones jim all denning-dever-cogan in mass-some malone-carroll-mcguire-doherty-mcneil-piscopo-mazzola-heslin-martini-feddis-fa rley-dennen-dinan-fredricks- ____________________________________ "we go to school to learn the words of fools" bob dylan

It looks that way,also,I found in the Civil War that Solomon,was steel worker,and he also had an alias name George Malone,The paper work I have says Calvin Forrest's company c 19th regiment.He was stationed at the mills near forreston, Ellis co., Texas.. I have another cousin I ran in to about a year ago,which is also helping out in finding some of this,As right now we have not found any brothers or sisters,or parents, Gary Malone ----- Original Message ----- From: "KM" <MORRISKJ@prodigy.net> To: <MALONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: [MALONE-L] John Malone > Hi Gary! > He could be the same person....as I had been watching and keep seeing every > one search just about the same person.....i dont any other info except what > i have just posted.....i can give an email on a person who is looking for > this line too....i will email the address to your email address..... > I HAVE A VERY STRONG FEELING THE MALONE IN TEXAS, MISSISSIPPI, and maybe > ARKANSAS are all connected to MELLOWN (MALONE) LINE....could be my g-g- > grandfather's brothers kin....I dont have any info on his brothers or > sisters.. > Kim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bev & Gary <garys@arkansas.net> > To: <MALONE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [MALONE-L] John Malone > > > > Kim, > > Hope you do not mind me conmming in, I been keeping up with the email on > > this but looking close to mine,maybe not, > > I been looking for a Solomon Malone,my gr.gr.grandfather, I found him in > > Nacodoches Co. Texas 1860 Census Linn Flat Beat 9 . > > Solomon Malone 36 TN. > > no wife listed > > Marcus L. M 6 La. > > John H. M 4 TX. > > Margaret F 2 TX. > > Adline F 8 months TX. > > his first wife was Eliza Hamsley,figured she may have died between > Oct.1859 > > and June 1860. > > He remarried a Desire Decker,April 05, 1863 in Ellis Co., Texas, > > I really do have a little more on him,if this is the same > > Thank you Gary Malone > > > > > > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > > For administrative questions or comments regarding the MALONE-L list, > please write to Listowner Nikki Simmons nsimmons@mid-mo.net > > > > > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your information to MALONE-L lately? > Send mail to: MALONE-L@rootsweb.com > > >

Hi Gary! He could be the same person....as I had been watching and keep seeing every one search just about the same person.....i dont any other info except what i have just posted.....i can give an email on a person who is looking for this line too....i will email the address to your email address..... I HAVE A VERY STRONG FEELING THE MALONE IN TEXAS, MISSISSIPPI, and maybe ARKANSAS are all connected to MELLOWN (MALONE) LINE....could be my g-g- grandfather's brothers kin....I dont have any info on his brothers or sisters.. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: Bev & Gary <garys@arkansas.net> To: <MALONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [MALONE-L] John Malone > Kim, > Hope you do not mind me conmming in, I been keeping up with the email on > this but looking close to mine,maybe not, > I been looking for a Solomon Malone,my gr.gr.grandfather, I found him in > Nacodoches Co. Texas 1860 Census Linn Flat Beat 9 . > Solomon Malone 36 TN. > no wife listed > Marcus L. M 6 La. > John H. M 4 TX. > Margaret F 2 TX. > Adline F 8 months TX. > his first wife was Eliza Hamsley,figured she may have died between Oct.1859 > and June 1860. > He remarried a Desire Decker,April 05, 1863 in Ellis Co., Texas, > I really do have a little more on him,if this is the same > Thank you Gary Malone > > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > For administrative questions or comments regarding the MALONE-L list, please write to Listowner Nikki Simmons nsimmons@mid-mo.net >

Kim, Hope you do not mind me conmming in, I been keeping up with the email on this but looking close to mine,maybe not, I been looking for a Solomon Malone,my gr.gr.grandfather, I found him in Nacodoches Co. Texas 1860 Census Linn Flat Beat 9 . Solomon Malone 36 TN. no wife listed Marcus L. M 6 La. John H. M 4 TX. Margaret F 2 TX. Adline F 8 months TX. his first wife was Eliza Hamsley,figured she may have died between Oct.1859 and June 1860. He remarried a Desire Decker,April 05, 1863 in Ellis Co., Texas, I really do have a little more on him,if this is the same Thank you Gary Malone

Kim, Are you the one looking for a Solomon Malone in Nacodoches Co. Texas? I have some info about him in a book.Do you know what Texas Co. your Luther is from? Claire KM wrote: > Hey Cheryl > I am not sure exactly how the MELLOWN(MALONE) is connected to my line of > MELLOWN(MALONE). > below are some names that i am searching....i will have to go thru my files > to get some dates on my line for you...There is a LUTHER R (could be RANDAL) > MELLOWN , from TEXAS married a MARGARET from colorado. > then there is a A. L. MELLOWN married to SARAH SIMMS (COULD BE ELIZABETH) > LIVED IN MISSISSIPPI. > In WALKER COUNTY ALABAMA JOHN MELLOWN married to ELIZABETH SEXTON.....this > is all i know on these names > kim > > Looking for additional info on my gg-grandfather, John MALONE (name is > spelled MELLOWN in mariage records). The following is basically all I know > of him. > 1) found on 1870 census - Polk Co., TX > 2) born ca. 1840, possibly in TX > 3) married Charlotte Elizabeth GAY, 25 Dec 1867, Nacogdoches Co., TX > > Their children: William Calvin MALONE ('Cal') b. Apr 1865, Elbert Eli MALONE > ('Eb') b. 28 Sep 1867, and Solomon MALONE b. Mar 1870. > > Charlotte Elizabeth marries again in 1876 (to James OWEN/OWENS, and again in > 1886 to John CARTER). New information indicates that the couple may have > split-up. Solomon was unknown to the desecendants of William and Elbert, so > he either died young or went with John if there was a seperation. > Descendants of William heard that William and Elbert were seperated for a > time as children. Descendants of Elbert heard that John had returned on > horseback, swooped Elbert up and carried him off. Elbert said that was the > last he ever saw of his mother. > > So, what happened to John MALONE? Did he remarry and have another family? > Also, who were his parents? Thanks for any information. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <badmoon74@juno.com> > To: <MORRISKJ@prodigy.net> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:07 PM > Subject: [MALONE-L] John Malone > > > Kim, > > Note your "Martin Mellown" my John S. Malone named first son "Martin", > > his middle intial on 1860 census is "C". I had contacted you last week, > > but put your email in my files, Where were your Mellown/Malone's located > > in Mississippi? > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:28:34 -0600 "KM" <MORRISKJ@prodigy.net> writes: > > > that's great. > > > > > > My MELLOWN (MALONE) were from Georgia too....I wouldnt be surprise > > > if your > > > malone was connected to mine. > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > my great grandfather > > > SAMUEL SMITH MELLOWN > > > g-g-grandfather > > > ALEXANDER SMITH MELLOWN > > > g-g-g-grandfather > > > MARTIN MELLOWN > > > g-g-g-g-grandfather > > > MORGAN MELLOWN > > > > > > as far as I have gotten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > > > Do you know of a URL that would interest other MALONE-L researchers? > > > Send mail to: MALONE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR INTERNET ACCESS! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your information to MALONE-L lately? > Send mail to: MALONE-L@rootsweb.com

Hi, Claire I am looking how they are connected to my MELLOWN........you can give me info from the book if you want....i heard the info in the book could have wrong info....but sometimes takes the wrong info to steer you in the right direction..... Look up my great great grandfather as .....SAMUEL S MALONE m. LONE ELIZABETH BLACK from alabama and i can tell you if the info is right or wrong....His father.....ALEXANDER S MALONE........but the real spelling is MELLOWN....... kIM ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire Loyd <cloyd01@bellsouth.net> To: <MALONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [MALONE-L] John Malone > Kim, Are you the one looking for a Solomon Malone in Nacodoches Co. Texas? I > have some info about him in a book.Do you know what Texas Co. your Luther is > from? Claire > > KM wrote: > > > Hey Cheryl > > I am not sure exactly how the MELLOWN(MALONE) is connected to my line of > > MELLOWN(MALONE). > > below are some names that i am searching....i will have to go thru my files > > to get some dates on my line for you...There is a LUTHER R (could be RANDAL) > > MELLOWN , from TEXAS married a MARGARET from colorado. > > then there is a A. L. MELLOWN married to SARAH SIMMS (COULD BE ELIZABETH) > > LIVED IN MISSISSIPPI. > > In WALKER COUNTY ALABAMA JOHN MELLOWN married to ELIZABETH SEXTON.....this > > is all i know on these names > > kim > > > > Looking for additional info on my gg-grandfather, John MALONE (name is > > spelled MELLOWN in mariage records). The following is basically all I know > > of him. > > 1) found on 1870 census - Polk Co., TX > > 2) born ca. 1840, possibly in TX > > 3) married Charlotte Elizabeth GAY, 25 Dec 1867, Nacogdoches Co., TX > > > > Their children: William Calvin MALONE ('Cal') b. Apr 1865, Elbert Eli MALONE > > ('Eb') b. 28 Sep 1867, and Solomon MALONE b. Mar 1870. > > > > Charlotte Elizabeth marries again in 1876 (to James OWEN/OWENS, and again in > > 1886 to John CARTER). New information indicates that the couple may have > > split-up. Solomon was unknown to the desecendants of William and Elbert, so > > he either died young or went with John if there was a seperation. > > Descendants of William heard that William and Elbert were seperated for a > > time as children. Descendants of Elbert heard that John had returned on > > horseback, swooped Elbert up and carried him off. Elbert said that was the > > last he ever saw of his mother. > > > > So, what happened to John MALONE? Did he remarry and have another family? > > Also, who were his parents? Thanks for any information. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <badmoon74@juno.com> > > To: <MORRISKJ@prodigy.net> > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:07 PM > > Subject: [MALONE-L] John Malone > > > > > Kim, > > > Note your "Martin Mellown" my John S. Malone named first son "Martin", > > > his middle intial on 1860 census is "C". I had contacted you last week, > > > but put your email in my files, Where were your Mellown/Malone's located > > > in Mississippi? > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:28:34 -0600 "KM" <MORRISKJ@prodigy.net> writes: > > > > that's great. > > > > > > > > My MELLOWN (MALONE) were from Georgia too....I wouldnt be surprise > > > > if your > > > > malone was connected to mine. > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > my great grandfather > > > > SAMUEL SMITH MELLOWN > > > > g-g-grandfather > > > > ALEXANDER SMITH MELLOWN > > > > g-g-g-grandfather > > > > MARTIN MELLOWN > > > > g-g-g-g-grandfather > > > > MORGAN MELLOWN > > > > > > > > as far as I have gotten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > > > > Do you know of a URL that would interest other MALONE-L researchers? > > > > Send mail to: MALONE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR INTERNET ACCESS! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > > Have you posted your information to MALONE-L lately? > > Send mail to: MALONE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > Do you know of a URL that would interest other MALONE-L researchers? > Send mail to: MALONE-L@rootsweb.com > >

Hey Cheryl I am not sure exactly how the MELLOWN(MALONE) is connected to my line of MELLOWN(MALONE). below are some names that i am searching....i will have to go thru my files to get some dates on my line for you...There is a LUTHER R (could be RANDAL) MELLOWN , from TEXAS married a MARGARET from colorado. then there is a A. L. MELLOWN married to SARAH SIMMS (COULD BE ELIZABETH) LIVED IN MISSISSIPPI. In WALKER COUNTY ALABAMA JOHN MELLOWN married to ELIZABETH SEXTON.....this is all i know on these names kim Looking for additional info on my gg-grandfather, John MALONE (name is spelled MELLOWN in mariage records). The following is basically all I know of him. 1) found on 1870 census - Polk Co., TX 2) born ca. 1840, possibly in TX 3) married Charlotte Elizabeth GAY, 25 Dec 1867, Nacogdoches Co., TX Their children: William Calvin MALONE ('Cal') b. Apr 1865, Elbert Eli MALONE ('Eb') b. 28 Sep 1867, and Solomon MALONE b. Mar 1870. Charlotte Elizabeth marries again in 1876 (to James OWEN/OWENS, and again in 1886 to John CARTER). New information indicates that the couple may have split-up. Solomon was unknown to the desecendants of William and Elbert, so he either died young or went with John if there was a seperation. Descendants of William heard that William and Elbert were seperated for a time as children. Descendants of Elbert heard that John had returned on horseback, swooped Elbert up and carried him off. Elbert said that was the last he ever saw of his mother. So, what happened to John MALONE? Did he remarry and have another family? Also, who were his parents? Thanks for any information. ----- Original Message ----- From: <badmoon74@juno.com> To: <MORRISKJ@prodigy.net> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: [MALONE-L] John Malone > Kim, > Note your "Martin Mellown" my John S. Malone named first son "Martin", > his middle intial on 1860 census is "C". I had contacted you last week, > but put your email in my files, Where were your Mellown/Malone's located > in Mississippi? > > Cheryl > > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:28:34 -0600 "KM" <MORRISKJ@prodigy.net> writes: > > that's great. > > > > My MELLOWN (MALONE) were from Georgia too....I wouldnt be surprise > > if your > > malone was connected to mine. > > Kim > > > > > > my great grandfather > > SAMUEL SMITH MELLOWN > > g-g-grandfather > > ALEXANDER SMITH MELLOWN > > g-g-g-grandfather > > MARTIN MELLOWN > > g-g-g-g-grandfather > > MORGAN MELLOWN > > > > as far as I have gotten > > > > > > > > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > > Do you know of a URL that would interest other MALONE-L researchers? > > Send mail to: MALONE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR INTERNET ACCESS! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

that's great. My MELLOWN (MALONE) were from Georgia too....I wouldnt be surprise if your malone was connected to mine. Kim my great grandfather SAMUEL SMITH MELLOWN g-g-grandfather ALEXANDER SMITH MELLOWN g-g-g-grandfather MARTIN MELLOWN g-g-g-g-grandfather MORGAN MELLOWN as far as I have gotten

Hi list & Kim, I found my John S. Malone in 1840 Newton Co., Mississippi census, all the children match, there is a son John born 1840 - Ms. This family is located on 1850 Coahoma Co., Ms census, then found on 1860 Randolph Co., Ark. census, all the children born Miss. NOTE: John S.'s surname was misspelled MELOUN, the childrens were spelled MELONE in 1850 Coahoma Co., Miss. Also, living next door on 1840 Newton Co., Miss. is "A.L. Malone" with 1 male under 5, 1 male 40/50, 1 female under 5, 1 female 15/20. Then a few households away is "G.B. Malone" 2 males under 5, 1 male 30/40, 1 female under 5, 1 female 20/30. (John S. Malone says born Georgia on all census records). Newton County, Miss. lost most of their early records in courthouse fire around 1911.(That hurts!) And yes, it looks like they did wander!) Cheryl (Researching GA>MS>AR>TX Malones) On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:40:33 -0600 "KM" <MORRISKJ@prodigy.net> writes: > Here is the info.....I have heard the MELLOWN(MALONE) have traveled > from > Georgia to Alabama to Mississippi to Texas.....They were thought to > be > swanders? I dont that this is the right word. I am looking for the > other > names that is connected... > My great grandfather was SAMUEL SMITH MELLOWN.....but in the history > books > it has his name spelled as MALONE in the civil war. It showed his > father > name has ALEXANDER SMITH MELLOWN in the marriage search. MELLOWN , > MALONE'S are hard to search with the names being misspelled or > changed. > Kim > > > Looking for additional info on my gg-grandfather, John MALONE (name > is > spelled MELLOWN in mariage records). The following is basically all ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Here is the info.....I have heard the MELLOWN(MALONE) have traveled from Georgia to Alabama to Mississippi to Texas.....They were thought to be swanders? I dont that this is the right word. I am looking for the other names that is connected... My great grandfather was SAMUEL SMITH MELLOWN.....but in the history books it has his name spelled as MALONE in the civil war. It showed his father name has ALEXANDER SMITH MELLOWN in the marriage search. MELLOWN , MALONE'S are hard to search with the names being misspelled or changed. Kim Looking for additional info on my gg-grandfather, John MALONE (name is spelled MELLOWN in mariage records). The following is basically all I know of him. 1) found on 1870 census - Polk Co., TX 2) born ca. 1840, possibly in TX 3) married Charlotte Elizabeth GAY, 25 Dec 1867, Nacogdoches Co., TX Their children: William Calvin MALONE ('Cal') b. Apr 1865, Elbert Eli MALONE ('Eb') b. 28 Sep 1867, and Solomon MALONE b. Mar 1870. Charlotte Elizabeth marries again in 1876 (to James OWEN/OWENS, and again in 1886 to John CARTER). New information indicates that the couple may have split-up. Solomon was unknown to the desecendants of William and Elbert, so he either died young or went with John if there was a seperation. Descendants of William heard that William and Elbert were seperated for a time as children. Descendants of Elbert heard that John had returned on horseback, swooped Elbert up and carried him off. Elbert said that was the last he ever saw of his mother. So, what happened to John MALONE? Did he remarry and have another family? Also, who were his parents? Thanks for any information. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Coslett <dcoslett@brazosport.cc.tx.us> To: <MALONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: [MALONE-L] John Malone > My GGrandfather was John Malone, born 1840, Texas, died before March > 1876. John married Charlotte Elizabeth Gay 25 Dec 1867, in Nacogdoches > Co., TX. Charlotte was b. about 1851 in Alabama and died July 1888, > San Jacinto Co., TX Charlotte's parents were Solomon Gay (1832-1890) > and Rebecca Elizabeth Pugh (1833-1877). On the 1870 Polk County, Texas > Census John and Charlotte were listed with these children: > Calvin, 4 years, b. TX; Elbert, 2 yrs, b. TX; and Solomon, 3 months, b. > TX > > Elbert Eli was my grandfather. He was born in Nacogdoches, TX and died > in Runnels Co., TX 28 May 1947. William Calvin was born in San Jacinto > County, TX and died 4 Apr 1937, San Jacinto Co., TX. > > Solomon Malone--No other information known > > I have considerable information about Elbert and Wm. Calvin if anybody > is interested. > > We are seeking information about John Malone's parents. Thanks. > > Marilyn Coslett > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > For administrative questions or comments regarding the MALONE-L list, please write to Listowner Nikki Simmons nsimmons@mid-mo.net > >

My GGrandfather was John Malone, born 1840, Texas, died before March 1876. John married Charlotte Elizabeth Gay 25 Dec 1867, in Nacogdoches Co., TX. Charlotte was b. about 1851 in Alabama and died July 1888, San Jacinto Co., TX Charlotte's parents were Solomon Gay (1832-1890) and Rebecca Elizabeth Pugh (1833-1877). On the 1870 Polk County, Texas Census John and Charlotte were listed with these children: Calvin, 4 years, b. TX; Elbert, 2 yrs, b. TX; and Solomon, 3 months, b. TX Elbert Eli was my grandfather. He was born in Nacogdoches, TX and died in Runnels Co., TX 28 May 1947. William Calvin was born in San Jacinto County, TX and died 4 Apr 1937, San Jacinto Co., TX. Solomon Malone--No other information known I have considerable information about Elbert and Wm. Calvin if anybody is interested. We are seeking information about John Malone's parents. Thanks. Marilyn Coslett

Yes know what you mean by hitting brick walls, I just recently believe that our Solomon may have a "real name" other then Solomon, so this makes it hard to find parents of his. Hmm, I sometimes think he was hiding from someone. I know he died in 1881 supposing in Franklin County, TX, but cannot find him there and have wrote to Franklin County and they only came up with what I did as far as him being in the 1870 censes, but according to his last wife, when she filled out the paper work to try to get a widowers pension from him being in the civil war, she said he died in Franklin County. But she was denied, even though when she married him in 1863, she said he was in the army under a certain regiment, but the army had no record of him being in the civil war. So he may have been a volunteer more then likely, but he was paid for his services working at the mill in Ellis County PA. So who knows. If I run across anything I'll let you know. Thanks for getting back with me. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jfm8152@aol.com> To: <MALONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: [MALONE-L] Malone"s > To Gary & Bev thanks for the response. I wish I could give you a name. > Just some talk a long time ago from a deceased uncle when I was a kid. About > family members coming over in the 1840's and some going to Texas. I guess I > was hoping someone has done a family history and had some New Jersey > connections as I have hit a brick wall. I have a solid history here from 1846 > to present. Have tried all the regular sources but no cigar. > Jersey Jim Malone > > > ==== MALONE Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes MALONE-L possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > >

Hello everyone, I recently joined the list and see conversations of Malone's in TX. From what I have found so far it appears my roots are more in the VA, GA, AL, MS area. grandparents: Ulmont U. Smith b. 3/3/1899 AK m. 2/9/1924 Willabelle Gilmore b. 12/20/1898 FL ggrandparents: John Marshall Smith b. 1/16/1851 m. 2/5/1890 2nd wife, Eva Lela Melton b. 3/19/1871 gggrandparents: Thomas Jefferson Smith, Sr m. 5/15/1830 Martha Ann Malone b. 1/7/1814 AL ggggrandparents: John Malone b. abt 1784 VA m. 11/10/1811 GA Susannah Boring b. abt.1790 SC Through my research I see that a Thomas Malone b? m. 7/22/1785 Susanna Tuck. Thomas is the son of Daniel Malone and Sarah Sullivan(t) from VA. This line talks of being in Halifax Co. VA and Greene Co. GA. The book "Malone and allied Families" states this Thomas Malone & Susanna Tuck had a son named John Malone, it doesn't state marriage info for John Malone though. Can anyone help shed some light on this VA, GA line of Malones? I don't own the book 'Malone and allied Families" but viewed it at my local Library. Hope to go back soon and look further when I can arrange time by myself. Thank you for your time, Leila Margaret Cordell Little (aka) Meg ( FL)

Bob, I may have heard about Robert. Someone named Anna said (Robert E.) Lee Charles Cahpman m. Cecil Coatney . He was her great grandfather. Lee was the s. of Isaac Chapman and Nancy ASKEW. Anna had hear-say oral family information but was not sure of some of it. Lee supposedly "went away" for a while to Texas before coming back to marry Cecil who was thirty years younger than he and his second wife. Anna found Lee did "go away" but not to Texas, but the TN State Pen. She also said hew gm who was 84 (in 1999) said the Chapmans were Cherokee-Apache Indian and took their name from the family on whose farms they worked. I do not know how much of this is true. Can you confirm any of this? Carolyn

To Gary & Bev thanks for the response. I wish I could give you a name. Just some talk a long time ago from a deceased uncle when I was a kid. About family members coming over in the 1840's and some going to Texas. I guess I was hoping someone has done a family history and had some New Jersey connections as I have hit a brick wall. I have a solid history here from 1846 to present. Have tried all the regular sources but no cigar. Jersey Jim Malone

Hi, Carolyn, Long time no talk. Re: Gacrowell's William and Rachel. I believe that William may have been the uncle of James Cecil and probably raised him after Samuel and Annie died. Velma can probably tell you about Robert C. if she will. I was also interested in your comments about James C. and Rosco. I have long thought they were related but due to the 56 years between their births, may have been uncle/nephew or cousins. Have not been able to find out yet. BTW---James C. died July 11, 1926, the Dr. did not sign the death certificate until August 10. In the space for " Father and Mother", William Franklin (my Gdf), wrote " I don't know". Keep in touch, Bob ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

In a message dated 01/10/2002 9:50:33 PM Central Standard Time, Gacrowell@aol.com writes: > I don't have a map > in front of me, but I wonder if that might have been a route from East > Texas > up to Tennessee. > > Hi Gwenetta, Carthage is south east of Van Zandt County in Texas. To go to Tennessee by going to Carthage first would be out of the way; but they may well have done this because of a reason we have no knowledge of: they may have gone to Carthage to pick up someone who was also going to Tennessee and would be a traveling companion. Ordinarily I would not think they would go to Carthage and then to Tennessee from Van Zandt County. I tried to find ANY organized Indian attacks east of a line passing through Dallas in the latter half of the 19th century and there are none on record. In the 1870s in Texas there was still a lot of "hard feelings" over the Civil War and there were renegades, etc., hanging around committing crimes. Van Zandt had seceded from the State of Texas during the civil war and was a hotbed of trouble. It was at one time, during the civil war, calling itself, The Free State of Van Zandt. Gordon Hale Grand Prairie, Texas

> Or the Indians might have been just > outlaws, not fighting as tribal members. > That is the scenario that makes more sense to me too. Different older family members seem to agree to have heard about the attach when they were moving (to where I have no idea). They were in Van Zandt County in 1860 and William Carroll Malone applied for his pension in Kaufman in 1865. Perhaps they were moving to Carthage -- or another thought is they might have been moving from Van Zandt County, Tx back to Tennessee when it happened. I don't have a map in front of me, but I wonder if that might have been a route from East Texas up to Tennessee. I keep digging. If I had even a clue to where it actually happened I would look in archived newspapers. Gwinnetta

When you get through with the site I gave you, look on the left side of the screen and click on "HOME". There is a space there for searching. Give that a try with everything you can think of. Gordon

I just went to a site which I thought might have some information on any Indian trouble in the time frame you mentioned. I truly doubt that there was Indian trouble in that particular area of Texas in the time frame. Carthage is located in Panola, County which abuts the Louisiana State line. By the 1860s there was no Indian trouble in Dallas and that was far to the west of Carthage. I think you have been given bad information. I suggest that you call either the Chamber of Commerce in Carthage or the public Library in Carthage and request information from them. I am pasting in the url for the site I went to. It is a State of Texas run site. <http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/PP/hcp2.html> If I run into anything else I will let you know. Gordon Hale Grand Prairie, Texas I think that it is far more likely that your ancestor was killed by marauding Yankee soldiers or outlaws than Indians. Or the Indians might have been just outlaws, not fighting as tribal members.