This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/4164.1 Message Board Post: I live 1/2 a mile from Oak Grove Cemetery - I'll check it out for you this weekend.

Hi Rebecca, It's a UNION DEFENDER flag holder with an eagle on a shield and a wreath around the outer edge and a five pointed star above. It also reads 1861 - 1865 on the lower left and right. I assume you know the three links at the top of the stone denote a member of the Odd Fellows. Rusty Clark West Springfield Massachusetts - Stories Carved In Stone: http://www.dogpondpress.net/stone.html Old Bones Tombstone Gallery: http://www.oldbones.net/cpg/index.php?cat=10014 ----- Original Message ----- From: <garrlentini1@aol.com> To: <MAHAMPDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: [MAHAMPDEN] A Civil War Symbol? Can you help? > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/4164 > > Message Board Post: > > The next time some kind soul is out and about in the Oak Grove Cemetery in Springfield, could you kindly stop by my Great Great Grandfather's tombstone and obtain a closer view of this symbol located in front of his tombstone and get a quick photo of it for me please? Or tell me what this symbol says on it? He is Llewellyn L. Craig who served in the Civil War. He is buried in the " Crocus Path " part of the cemetery, Lot # 483, Section # 26. I think this symbol is a Civil War Symbol but not sure. Thank you so much. > > Sincerely, > Rebecca Garrlentini > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/4164 Message Board Post: The next time some kind soul is out and about in the Oak Grove Cemetery in Springfield, could you kindly stop by my Great Great Grandfather's tombstone and obtain a closer view of this symbol located in front of his tombstone and get a quick photo of it for me please? Or tell me what this symbol says on it? He is Llewellyn L. Craig who served in the Civil War. He is buried in the " Crocus Path " part of the cemetery, Lot # 483, Section # 26. I think this symbol is a Civil War Symbol but not sure. Thank you so much. Sincerely, Rebecca Garrlentini

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/4161.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The various research services I can provide are explained on my Massachusetts Family Research website: https://home.comcast.net/~dasmith5/index.html I'll be happy to look for Holdine - I'm going to send you an e-mail about that.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/4147.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Brightside is still there, near the Providence Hospital on Riverdale Rd., Holyoke, MA. They only take babies now. They also have a building called "The Honor House", which has children who are born drug addicted and have ADHD. Most of these children are not out in society. They are under strict supervision due to their sickness. These buildings, I believe are still run by the Sisters of providence.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/4161.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Deborah, Got the obits. today! Thank you so very much! You should be getting my letter and donation soon. Was wondering if you do other things besides look up obits.? If so, I have another job for you. William & Pauline Craig (the two of three you sent obits. to me) had a daugther named Holdine Frances Craig b. May 18 , 1893 in Springfiled, MA. I have some other information on her, but do not know what ever happend to her. When did she die and where is she buried? As you can tell from Pauline's obit. Holdine is not mentioned. We think she died about 1925. She went by the nickname of Dingy or spelled Dingie. Worked in a knitiing company in Springfield as a sewer according to the 1920 Springfield census at the age of 27. She might have been married 2 times with no children from either marr. One marr. might have been to a gentleman with the last name of O'Conner. Holdine is a long time mystery and if you do searches such as this one, please let me know what your fee's would be. Like I ! said, date of death and place of burial would be what I want for Holdine. Thanks again ! Sincerely, Rebecca

Thanks John! I'll check it out now. Betty -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of john@onholdspecialties.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:00 PM To: MAHAMPDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAHAMPDEN] Re: Genealogy trip to Mass - Holyoke This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/3537.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Just a helpful tip here from an avid genealogy researcher :) In the past I found it helpful to use the Genealogy research database created by Kathy Barnhart & Karen Boehrnsen They have both archived thousands of documents online that you can search through with their database. One of my favorite spots for genealogy research. You can check out their website at http://www.kybys.com I have found their website to be very helpful. And it's great because they always add new genealogy research papers and docunments Enjoy John

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/3537.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The only way you are going to stop these e-mails is by taking your name off the mailing list.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/3537.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: PLEASE STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL. I HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THIS!!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/3537.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Just a helpful tip here from an avid genealogy researcher :) In the past I found it helpful to use the Genealogy research database created by Kathy Barnhart & Karen Boehrnsen They have both archived thousands of documents online that you can search through with their database. One of my favorite spots for genealogy research. You can check out their website at http://www.kybys.com I have found their website to be very helpful. And it's great because they always add new genealogy research papers and docunments Enjoy John

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/4161.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Okay, thanks. I mailed your obits last Saturday.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VFB.2ACI/3561.1.1 Message Board Post: Please do not send anymore e-mails to me. I have no clue about this. Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VFB.2ACI/4161.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Deborah, Forgot that Monday was a holiday and no snail mail, so letter and donation went out in today's mail to you. Thank you so much again. Will let you know when I get the Obits that you got for me,ok? Thanks again and take care! Rebecca

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schubach Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VFB.2ACI/3561.1 Message Board Post: Hi Laurel, The Paul Schubach listed in this obituary is my great-grandfather! I am also working on the Schubach line with a woman who is Mrs. Anna Schlichting's grand-daughter. I realize your message is old, but if you're still here I would love to hear from you and share info with you! I am especially interested in the step-brother, Robert as I don't have any info about him. Sincerely, Deb Martino

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Gloria Motter <jgmott@wcoil.com> Sent: Oct 12, 2004 11:43 AM To: OHALLEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Allen Cty List] HR 10 Bill Folks, you might want to add to your note when contacting your Representative-something like this: Thanks Reta for passing this on. Gloria "Please note that a non-certified copy of a birth certificate is not valid for ANY legal identification within the United States. An uncertified copy should send up "red flags" immediately, and anyone using such records for identification should be detained and questioned. A genealogist does not require that their copies be certified, unless they are requesting entrance to an organization that requires this, for example, the DAR and the SAR. This bill would greatly hamper any person's ability to be accepted into those American institutions." Something like that. They need to understand that the problem is CERTIFIED certificates, not the non-certified. ==== OHALLEN Mailing List ==== Allen County, Ohio - OHGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohallen/allmain.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Sharon Sergeant <info@genealogyfair.com> Sent: Oct 12, 2004 1:06 AM To: CT-RIVER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CRV] Massachusetts Genealogical Council HR 10 Alert Massachusetts Genealogical Council HR 10 Alert The US Bill from the House of Representatives, H.R. 10 “the 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act of 2004”(HR10) creates “unintended consequences” for millions of American Citizens, including but not limited to Adoptees, Retirees, Military and Other Federal Government Employees, Education and Medical Service Providers, Journalists, Attorneys, Family History Researchers, Genealogists, Historians, Biographers, Private Investigators, as well as Generations of Under-privileged or Under-documented Populations. The Massachusetts Genealogical Council (MGC) was organized in 1980 as an umbrella organization of genealogical societies throughout the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to monitor legislation affecting public records access and preservation, and educate the public in responsible family history research practices. The MGC has examined and testified at Massachusetts numerous legislative hearings and provided decades of public education seminars. In addition to the ability of the MGC to understand the impact of proposed legislation for it’s members and the research community, the MGC Board of directors is comprised of professionals in the fields of security, telecommunications, transportation, medicine, data base systems, law, government and business procedures. The MGC Board of Directors and Members applaud credible measures for protections against terrorism, ID Theft and invasion of privacy. However, the provisions in the Federal Bill HR 10, Chapter 2 creates the most extensive list of “unintended consequences” in our decades of experience with proposed legislation. Within the hundreds of pages of measures proposed in HR 10, we specifically address “CHAPTER 2--IMPROVED SECURITY FOR BIRTH CERTIFICATES”, as it decimates normality in the every day activities of citizens, as well as professionals who rely on source and fact checking due diligence procedures throughout the country. Open Records, Public Records and Vital Records definitions within each state are rooted in the origins of the state constitutions, charters and legal systems. Thus each state has built a system of laws and regulations, and adopted their own specific positions and measures such as “certified” versus “non-certified” or “for genealogical or other research purposes only” certificates, as well as privacy periods for Vital Records information access. David E. Rencher, Chair of the Record Preservation and Access Committee for the Federation of Genealogical Societies and The National Genealogical Society has already noted that HR-10 Section 3063(d)(2) should at least be modified by adding the following wording to one paragraph: “However, nothing in this Chapter 2 shall be construed to require a State to change its law with respect to public access to (A) non-certified copies of birth certificates, or to (B) birth certificates or birth records once a period of 100 years has elapsed from the date of creation of the certificate or record.” A copy of David Rencher’s letter to the bill's sponsor, Congressman Dennis Hastert, is available on the FGS site www.fgs.org/rpa/formalactions.htm Upon further examination of the full content of HR 10, Chapter 2, the MGC Board of Directors finds that the entire HR 10 Chapter 2 should be excised from the process that the House and the Senate will now explore to combine their separate bills to satisfy the 9/11 recommendations: First, many states, such as Massachusetts, would be required to change their state constitution to comply with HR 10, Chapter 2. Second, all states vary widely in their adoption of certified versus un-certified records procedures, as well as privacy and access periods, and numerous other aspects of Vital Records administration – often combined and intertwined with what that state considers related measures at the time of enactment. Next, the crafters of HR 10 clearly are not aware of the escalating “unintended consequences” of The Patriot’s Act, HIPPA and other post-9/11, ID Theft and Privacy legislation: Genealogists are particularly aware of post-9/11 “unintended consequence” incidents. The poignant vignettes of suspicion and trauma are increasing for elderly citizens who were immigrants during the twentieth century. In parallel, education and medical system personnel are reporting similar problems, particularly in the many communities where the latest Federal census in 2000 shows 20 per cent or more of their population were born outside the US. HR 10, Chapter 2, Section 3063 (a) specifically provides punative measures for the millions of individuals in the general population who would be affected by these unrealistic measures: MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL RECOGNITION. (a) MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL USE- (1) IN GENERAL- Beginning 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, a Federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a birth certificate issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting the requirements of this section. HR 10 now threatens to rescind individual and State’s rights with sweeping measures: Additional impositions under HR 10 would jeopardize such every day procedures as Social Security applications or military enlistment. Individuals who were born in one state, are often not currently living in the same state (and therefore have no voting leverage). If the state of their birth contests such sweeping Federal authority or is simply unable to meet the requirements because the Federal funding does not address the pre-existing conditions of the state’s Vital Records, any individual could be denied recognition of their birth record. Next, HR 10, Chapter 2, Section 3063 (c) MINIMUM ISSUANCE STANDARDS provides language that further conflicts with the rights of millions of people: - The requestor must know all the information on the record, permanently blocking all individuals whose purpose is to o correct an erroneous record (an unfortunately growing awareness due to the numerous transcription problems on both originals and the levels of derivatives introduced by electronic “progress”); o get the record information, including, but not limited to * states where adoptee rights have been modernized; * the increasing need of the medical community for genealogical medical histories to treat or prevent inherited disorders; * the ability of ethnic and cultural groups (that once responded to discrimination by hiding their origins) to reclaim their heritage; * the establishment or correction of property rights that were incorrectly adjudicated or transferred in the past; o utilize the Genealogical Proof Method (GPM) in any of the above situations, to compare various pieces of evidence with conflicting statements of other records purporting to be “fact”; o create family group and neighborhood reconstruction, for personal family history, medical, cultural and historical studies across many disciplines. - The language of this section further specifies that the requestor must present legal authorization to request the birth certificate without specifying what the basis of legal authorization is, suggesting that individual rights would have to be adjudicated, creating a myriad of class action suits or test cases before the “unintended consequences” would be recognized. - This section then further discriminates against individual rights by leaving to regulations “minimum standards for issuance of a birth certificate to specific family members, their authorized representatives, and others who demonstrate that the certificate is needed for the protection of the requestor's personal or property rights.” - when such rights vary across and between states. - Further difficulties in this section arise with an incredible “catch-22” of suggesting that the third party verifications of requestor identity that are currently failing in electronic Identity Theft (in spiraling credit card and electronic transaction fraud statistics) should next be employed for electronic birth certificate requests, thus creating, rather than reducing opportunities, for birth certificate fraud which is now anecdotal, particularly as compared to the escalation of electronic fraud and lack of effective security measures against electronic hackers of all kinds: o “to meet the requirements of this section, for applications by electronic means, through the mail or by phone or fax, a State shall employ third party verification, or equivalent verification, of the identity of the requestor.” Next, Section 3063 (d) OTHER REQUIREMENTS proposes to create a militaristic security environment in every town clerk and Vital Records office with requirements that much more closely resemble a nuclear power plant document repository (without regard to the glaring lack of proper preservation and archival protections for the existing records), including but not limited to: - building security standards - restricted to entities with which the State has a binding privacy protection agreement - security clearance requirements - fraudulent document recognition training programs - internal operating system standards - central database that can provide interoperative data exchange with other States and with Federal agencies - ensure that birth and death records are matched - implementation of electronic verification of vital events Next, Section 3064. ESTABLISHMENT OF ELECTRONIC BIRTH AND DEATH REGISTRATION SYSTEMS, further extends the goals of a futuristic system without addressing any of the underlying problems mentioned above, and relegates the following report requirement to post-bill passage – instead of pre-bill analysis, such that the aforementioned issues would be exposed, examined, quantified and actually provide for realistic legislation initiatives: - “Submit to Congress, a report on whether there is a need for Federal laws to address penalties for fraud and misuse of Vital Records and whether violations are sufficiently enforced.” Next, Section 3065. ELECTRONIC VERIFICATION OF VITAL EVENTS, further extends security checks to allow for the electronic validation by state and federal agencies of paper certificates - particularly to prevent the use of a deceased person’s birth certificate. Anyone, who has been told that their birth does not exist, or found someone else’s credit information has been “provisionally” or permanently confused with their own, will immediately relate to the potential for being told that they have been marked as deceased or having to utilize Mark Twain’s famous “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”, as only humor could alleviate the kind of distress, such errors provoke, particularly in the elderly and children where they most often occur. NOTE: While the genealogical community, in particular, would welcome a “state of the art” and accurate system for matching birth and death records, millions of family history researchers have intimate knowledge of the regularity of human errors in the original records, the history of Vital Records laws and late registration procedures, the loss of records through disaster or neglect, the promulgation of errors with electronic systems, the lack of proper records facilities, and other handicaps that make it difficult for Vital Records offices to perform their current duties. IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUEST: Please, read the entire Birth Certificate Chapter! HR 10, TITLE III--BORDER SECURITY AND TERRORIST TRAVEL Subtitle A--Immigration Reform in the National Interest Subtitle B--Identity Management Security CHAPTER 2--IMPROVED SECURITY FOR BIRTH CERTIFICATES included in http://home.comcast.net/~massgencouncil/MGCHR10Alert.pdf ; find out how your Congressman voted at http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll523.xml ; forward this information to other concerned citizens ; and contact both your Congressman and Senators. To find your Representative and Senator contact information, go to www.house.gov/writerep and http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm HR10 has been passed in the House of Representatives. S2845, National Intelligence Reform Act passed the Senate and is awaiting consolidation with HR10. Visit http://thomas.loc.gov/ for the full text of HR 10 and S2845 as well as progress reports. The Joint Committee consolidation reported goal is to be done within the next two weeks – a fast track election period initiative. HR 10, Chapter 2 needs to be excised from this legislation! The MGC Board of Directors is composed of elected officers and delegates from the following member organizations: American-French Genealogical Society Allen County Public Library of Fort Wayne, Indiana Billerica Friends of Genealogy Central Massachusetts Genealogical Society Descendants of Whaling Masters Essex Society of Genealogists Friends of the Silvio O. Conte Archives Genealogical Roundtable Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Boston Massachusetts Society of Genealogists Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants The Greater Boston Chapter of Association of Professional Genealogists The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution The New England Historic Genealogical Society (NEHGS) Plymouth County Genealogists TIARA (The Irish Ancestral Research Association ) Waltham Historical Society OFFICERS President: Bernard J. Couming Vice-President: Daphnah Sage Treasurer: Peter Viles Secretary: Sandra Gambone DIRECTORS Archives: Ann Dzindolet Civil Records: Shirley Barnes Asst. Civil Records: John S. Gracey Newsletter: Mary Ellen Grogan Asst. 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You are sending e-mail to me that I have no clue about!! -----Original Message----- From: Justina A Cook [mailto:justinacook@juno.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:52 PM To: MAHAMPDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAHAMPDEN] Oak Knoll Cemetery... Hi~ I'm just wondering if anyone knows who I would contact to get burial information on some of my ancestors who are buried in the Oak Knoll Cemetery in Palmer, Hampden, Massachusetts. I have someone who is willing to take pictures of the gravestones for me, but they've been unable to locate the stones to do so. If anyone could point me in the right direction or even possibly has a listing with burial locations, I would really appreciate the help! My ancestors who are buried there are: Name: James H. Draper DOB: 22 Aug 1887 in Canada DOD: 27 Feb 1948 in Palmer, Hampden Massachusetts & Name: Jennie Mabel [Green] Draper DOB: 19 Sep 1884 in Vermont DOD: 11 Dec 1953 in Palmer, Hampden, Massachusetts Any help would be very much appreciated! Thanks, and take care! "-) Justina "-) ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: thiebe/pepin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VFB.2ACI/4163 Message Board Post: according to new information from the SS # death index my Henry Thiebe's marital status was 'divorced' therefore Florence Pepin Thiebe may have remarried in the surrounding area of Hampden County. Any information relating to this would be greatly appreciated.. thank you,

Hi~ I'm just wondering if anyone knows who I would contact to get burial information on some of my ancestors who are buried in the Oak Knoll Cemetery in Palmer, Hampden, Massachusetts. I have someone who is willing to take pictures of the gravestones for me, but they've been unable to locate the stones to do so. If anyone could point me in the right direction or even possibly has a listing with burial locations, I would really appreciate the help! My ancestors who are buried there are: Name: James H. Draper DOB: 22 Aug 1887 in Canada DOD: 27 Feb 1948 in Palmer, Hampden Massachusetts & Name: Jennie Mabel [Green] Draper DOB: 19 Sep 1884 in Vermont DOD: 11 Dec 1953 in Palmer, Hampden, Massachusetts Any help would be very much appreciated! Thanks, and take care! "-) Justina "-) ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

Please unsubscribe me from the list for the present time. thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: MAHAMPDE-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MAHAMPDE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: MAHAMPDE-D@rootsweb.com<mailto:MAHAMPDE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:01 AM Subject: MAHAMPDE-D Digest V04 #202