I know that my Elhanan Winthrop Winchester was born Nov. 10, 1803 according to his gravestone in a Lowell Cemetery. He died Jan. 1, 1879. He was "married" to Lucy Whittum, and they lived in Lancaster, NH and had 5 children. A marriage record for them has not been found. Many Lancaster records were destroyed by fire. He left Lancaster in about 1847 and married Priscilla Wentworth Flynn in Chelmsford as you mentioned. That marriage record is where the information about Charles comes from. By process of elimination I have narrowed the possibilities down to the Charles who was born in Brookline. Various records indicate that Elhanan was born in New Hampshire or Vermont. His death record with information supplied by a child by his second marriage who may not have been too knowledgeable indicates that he was born in Springfield, Vt. I have checked the vital records of Springfield and all surrounding towns and have found nothing. The only Charles Winchester living during that time frame who went to Vermont is Charles of Brookline. The migratory path takes him from Franklin Co., Mass. to Bennington, Vt. That is about all I know. Seems to me that my questions are very relevant. Martha On Sep 10, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Bonnie Weber wrote: > If you are looking for a different Elhanan, born later, why didn't you > give > the details for him? > > There were a lot of Winchesters, from NH as well as MA, and CT. How > do you > know that Charles may be the father of the one you are looking for. > > Usually people ask relevent questions, and I can't see that you are > doing > that. Normally people list what they know, not what they assume. > > Bonnie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> > To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester > > >> You will note in my original post, but I am speculating that this >> Charles was the father of my ancestor Elhanan and am attempting to >> link these two generations not the ones that came before. If I could >> identify all of the wives of this Charles and his children I might >> have >> the answer to the puzzle. You will note that my question did not >> pertain to Charles' lineage but rather pertained to whether or note it >> is this Charles who was first married to Lucy Upton and then to Irene >> Rice!! >> Martha >> On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >> >>> If you had this info, why did you allude to Elhanan? >>> >>> I do a lot of look ups for people, and am listed with my library on >>> Books We >>> Own, but I do get a bit miffed when I spend my time looking to help, >>> and >>> have not been told the truth. >>> >>> Bonnie >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>> >>> >>>> Bonnie, >>>> Yes, I have that information. I am looking for information about >>>> his >>>> first wife. He was 60 years old when he married Irena Rice! >>>> Martha >>>> On Sep 8, 2006, at 1:09 PM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Martha >>>>> Your Charles was the son of Isaac Winchester, m Irene?, >>>>> b 14 Jan 1749, his descent is John, John, John, Isaac. >>>>> >>>>> He is listed in the book "Descendants of John Winchester", NEHGS >>>>> vol. >>>>> 78, >>>>> pages 18-19. >>>>> >>>>> Bonnie >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>>>> To: <MAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:23 AM >>>>> Subject: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> My brick wall is Charles Winchester who lived variously in Rowe >>>>>> and >>>>>> I >>>>>> believe Charlemont although I have read that he owned lands in >>>>>> Warwick >>>>>> until about 1814 after which he relocated to Vermont. His >>>>>> intentions >>>>>> to marry Rene (Irena) Rice are recorded in Buckland in 1808, and >>>>>> they >>>>>> were married in 1809, but I know not where. In 1810 he is found >>>>>> in >>>>>> the >>>>>> Rowe census with four children indicating that either he or his >>>>>> wife >>>>>> had children at home by a previous marriage. He died in 1824 in >>>>>> Bennington Vt. after having applied for a Revolutionary War >>>>>> pension. >>>>>> This is the Charles Winchester born in Brookline Mass in 1749. I >>>>>> believe that it is this Charles who was the father of my ancestor >>>>>> Elhanan Winchester by an earlier marriage. I have read various >>>>>> sources >>>>>> which indicate a marriage between Charles Winchester and Lucy >>>>>> Upton >>>>>> bpt. Mar. 13,1763 who reportedly died in Rome, Oeinda County, New >>>>>> York >>>>>> per the Descendants of John Upton of North Reading, Mass. by John >>>>>> Adams Vinton. If this is the same Charles, when did she leave >>>>>> him, >>>>>> and >>>>>> were there any children? >>>>>> Any help in determining who his earlier wife was would be greatly >>>>>> appreciated. Seems clear to me that the answer lies somewhere in >>>>>> Franklin County. >>>>>> Martha Altemus >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi I found the marriage record, Elhanan widr., a 43y., farmer, s. Charles and Liberty, and Priscilla Flynn, wid., a 39 y., d. Ezekiel and Betsey A. Wentworth, Aug. 1, 1847. Do you have any idea who Liberty was? Also, he was of the shaker religion, have you looked into that? Sorry if I am driving you nuts, but I have been a genealogist for 40 years, and believe that you can never leave a leaf unturned. Assumptions just don't catch my interest. Thank you for giving the details. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >I know that my Elhanan Winthrop Winchester was born Nov. 10, 1803 > according to his gravestone in a Lowell Cemetery. He died Jan. 1, > 1879. He was "married" to Lucy Whittum, and they lived in Lancaster, > NH and had 5 children. A marriage record for them has not been found. > Many Lancaster records were destroyed by fire. He left Lancaster in > about 1847 and married Priscilla Wentworth Flynn in Chelmsford as you > mentioned. That marriage record is where the information about Charles > comes from. By process of elimination I have narrowed the > possibilities down to the Charles who was born in Brookline. Various > records indicate that Elhanan was born in New Hampshire or Vermont. > His death record with information supplied by a child by his second > marriage who may not have been too knowledgeable indicates that he was > born in Springfield, Vt. I have checked the vital records of > Springfield and all surrounding towns and have found nothing. The only > Charles Winchester living during that time frame who went to Vermont is > Charles of Brookline. The migratory path takes him from Franklin Co., > Mass. to Bennington, Vt. That is about all I know. Seems to me that > my questions are very relevant. > Martha > On Sep 10, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Bonnie Weber wrote: > >> If you are looking for a different Elhanan, born later, why didn't you >> give >> the details for him? >> >> There were a lot of Winchesters, from NH as well as MA, and CT. How >> do you >> know that Charles may be the father of the one you are looking for. >> >> Usually people ask relevent questions, and I can't see that you are >> doing >> that. Normally people list what they know, not what they assume. >> >> Bonnie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >> >> >>> You will note in my original post, but I am speculating that this >>> Charles was the father of my ancestor Elhanan and am attempting to >>> link these two generations not the ones that came before. If I could >>> identify all of the wives of this Charles and his children I might >>> have >>> the answer to the puzzle. You will note that my question did not >>> pertain to Charles' lineage but rather pertained to whether or note it >>> is this Charles who was first married to Lucy Upton and then to Irene >>> Rice!! >>> Martha >>> On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >>> >>>> If you had this info, why did you allude to Elhanan? >>>> >>>> I do a lot of look ups for people, and am listed with my library on >>>> Books We >>>> Own, but I do get a bit miffed when I spend my time looking to help, >>>> and >>>> have not been told the truth. >>>> >>>> Bonnie >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>>> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:38 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>>> >>>> >>>>> Bonnie, >>>>> Yes, I have that information. I am looking for information about >>>>> his >>>>> first wife. He was 60 years old when he married Irena Rice! >>>>> Martha >>>>> On Sep 8, 2006, at 1:09 PM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Martha >>>>>> Your Charles was the son of Isaac Winchester, m Irene?, >>>>>> b 14 Jan 1749, his descent is John, John, John, Isaac. >>>>>> >>>>>> He is listed in the book "Descendants of John Winchester", NEHGS >>>>>> vol. >>>>>> 78, >>>>>> pages 18-19. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bonnie >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>>>>> To: <MAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:23 AM >>>>>> Subject: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>> My brick wall is Charles Winchester who lived variously in Rowe >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> believe Charlemont although I have read that he owned lands in >>>>>>> Warwick >>>>>>> until about 1814 after which he relocated to Vermont. His >>>>>>> intentions >>>>>>> to marry Rene (Irena) Rice are recorded in Buckland in 1808, and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> were married in 1809, but I know not where. In 1810 he is found >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Rowe census with four children indicating that either he or his >>>>>>> wife >>>>>>> had children at home by a previous marriage. He died in 1824 in >>>>>>> Bennington Vt. after having applied for a Revolutionary War >>>>>>> pension. >>>>>>> This is the Charles Winchester born in Brookline Mass in 1749. I >>>>>>> believe that it is this Charles who was the father of my ancestor >>>>>>> Elhanan Winchester by an earlier marriage. I have read various >>>>>>> sources >>>>>>> which indicate a marriage between Charles Winchester and Lucy >>>>>>> Upton >>>>>>> bpt. Mar. 13,1763 who reportedly died in Rome, Oeinda County, New >>>>>>> York >>>>>>> per the Descendants of John Upton of North Reading, Mass. by John >>>>>>> Adams Vinton. If this is the same Charles, when did she leave >>>>>>> him, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> were there any children? >>>>>>> Any help in determining who his earlier wife was would be greatly >>>>>>> appreciated. Seems clear to me that the answer lies somewhere in >>>>>>> Franklin County. >>>>>>> Martha Altemus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If his name is Winthrop Don't you think that your should seek out the other Winthrop's? There are many withrop sites, and descendants. Maybe you should got there. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel@sympatico.ca> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester > Hi > I found the marriage record, Elhanan widr., a 43y., farmer, s. Charles and > Liberty, and Priscilla Flynn, wid., a 39 y., d. Ezekiel and Betsey A. > Wentworth, Aug. 1, 1847. > > Do you have any idea who Liberty was? > > Also, he was of the shaker religion, have you looked into that? > > Sorry if I am driving you nuts, but I have been a genealogist for 40 > years, > and believe that you can never leave a leaf unturned. > Assumptions just don't catch my interest. Thank you for giving the > details. > > Bonnie > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> > To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:18 AM > Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester > > >>I know that my Elhanan Winthrop Winchester was born Nov. 10, 1803 >> according to his gravestone in a Lowell Cemetery. He died Jan. 1, >> 1879. He was "married" to Lucy Whittum, and they lived in Lancaster, >> NH and had 5 children. A marriage record for them has not been found. >> Many Lancaster records were destroyed by fire. He left Lancaster in >> about 1847 and married Priscilla Wentworth Flynn in Chelmsford as you >> mentioned. That marriage record is where the information about Charles >> comes from. By process of elimination I have narrowed the >> possibilities down to the Charles who was born in Brookline. Various >> records indicate that Elhanan was born in New Hampshire or Vermont. >> His death record with information supplied by a child by his second >> marriage who may not have been too knowledgeable indicates that he was >> born in Springfield, Vt. I have checked the vital records of >> Springfield and all surrounding towns and have found nothing. The only >> Charles Winchester living during that time frame who went to Vermont is >> Charles of Brookline. The migratory path takes him from Franklin Co., >> Mass. to Bennington, Vt. That is about all I know. Seems to me that >> my questions are very relevant. >> Martha >> On Sep 10, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >> >>> If you are looking for a different Elhanan, born later, why didn't you >>> give >>> the details for him? >>> >>> There were a lot of Winchesters, from NH as well as MA, and CT. How >>> do you >>> know that Charles may be the father of the one you are looking for. >>> >>> Usually people ask relevent questions, and I can't see that you are >>> doing >>> that. Normally people list what they know, not what they assume. >>> >>> Bonnie >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>> >>> >>>> You will note in my original post, but I am speculating that this >>>> Charles was the father of my ancestor Elhanan and am attempting to >>>> link these two generations not the ones that came before. If I could >>>> identify all of the wives of this Charles and his children I might >>>> have >>>> the answer to the puzzle. You will note that my question did not >>>> pertain to Charles' lineage but rather pertained to whether or note it >>>> is this Charles who was first married to Lucy Upton and then to Irene >>>> Rice!! >>>> Martha >>>> On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you had this info, why did you allude to Elhanan? >>>>> >>>>> I do a lot of look ups for people, and am listed with my library on >>>>> Books We >>>>> Own, but I do get a bit miffed when I spend my time looking to help, >>>>> and >>>>> have not been told the truth. >>>>> >>>>> Bonnie >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>>>> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:38 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Bonnie, >>>>>> Yes, I have that information. I am looking for information about >>>>>> his >>>>>> first wife. He was 60 years old when he married Irena Rice! >>>>>> Martha >>>>>> On Sep 8, 2006, at 1:09 PM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Martha >>>>>>> Your Charles was the son of Isaac Winchester, m Irene?, >>>>>>> b 14 Jan 1749, his descent is John, John, John, Isaac. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He is listed in the book "Descendants of John Winchester", NEHGS >>>>>>> vol. >>>>>>> 78, >>>>>>> pages 18-19. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bonnie >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>>>>>> To: <MAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:23 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>> My brick wall is Charles Winchester who lived variously in Rowe >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> believe Charlemont although I have read that he owned lands in >>>>>>>> Warwick >>>>>>>> until about 1814 after which he relocated to Vermont. His >>>>>>>> intentions >>>>>>>> to marry Rene (Irena) Rice are recorded in Buckland in 1808, and >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> were married in 1809, but I know not where. In 1810 he is found >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Rowe census with four children indicating that either he or his >>>>>>>> wife >>>>>>>> had children at home by a previous marriage. He died in 1824 in >>>>>>>> Bennington Vt. after having applied for a Revolutionary War >>>>>>>> pension. >>>>>>>> This is the Charles Winchester born in Brookline Mass in 1749. I >>>>>>>> believe that it is this Charles who was the father of my ancestor >>>>>>>> Elhanan Winchester by an earlier marriage. I have read various >>>>>>>> sources >>>>>>>> which indicate a marriage between Charles Winchester and Lucy >>>>>>>> Upton >>>>>>>> bpt. Mar. 13,1763 who reportedly died in Rome, Oeinda County, New >>>>>>>> York >>>>>>>> per the Descendants of John Upton of North Reading, Mass. by John >>>>>>>> Adams Vinton. If this is the same Charles, when did she leave >>>>>>>> him, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> were there any children? >>>>>>>> Any help in determining who his earlier wife was would be greatly >>>>>>>> appreciated. Seems clear to me that the answer lies somewhere in >>>>>>>> Franklin County. >>>>>>>> Martha Altemus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good idea. Winthrop was his middle name. It would seem probable that there might have been a Winthrop, perhaps on the distaff side of his lineage. However, there seems to be a tendency in the Winchester family as well as many others to name children after living or past presidents and other noteworthy people. Ergo, lots of Winchesters as well has others named their children Elhanan after the Universalist preacher of some fame at that time. For some time I thought my Elhanan might have been so descended, but could not make that connection so am back with trying to explore the Charles and Liberty clue. Martha On Sep 11, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Bonnie Weber wrote: > If his name is Winthrop > Don't you think that your should seek out the other Winthrop's? > There are many withrop sites, and descendants. > Maybe you should got there. > Bonnie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel@sympatico.ca> > To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester > > >> Hi >> I found the marriage record, Elhanan widr., a 43y., farmer, s. >> Charles and >> Liberty, and Priscilla Flynn, wid., a 39 y., d. Ezekiel and Betsey A. >> Wentworth, Aug. 1, 1847. >> >> Do you have any idea who Liberty was? >> >> Also, he was of the shaker religion, have you looked into that? >> >> Sorry if I am driving you nuts, but I have been a genealogist for 40 >> years, >> and believe that you can never leave a leaf unturned. >> Assumptions just don't catch my interest. Thank you for giving the >> details. >> >> Bonnie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >> >> >>> I know that my Elhanan Winthrop Winchester was born Nov. 10, 1803 >>> according to his gravestone in a Lowell Cemetery. He died Jan. 1, >>> 1879. He was "married" to Lucy Whittum, and they lived in Lancaster, >>> NH and had 5 children. A marriage record for them has not been >>> found. >>> Many Lancaster records were destroyed by fire. He left Lancaster in >>> about 1847 and married Priscilla Wentworth Flynn in Chelmsford as >>> you >>> mentioned. That marriage record is where the information about >>> Charles >>> comes from. By process of elimination I have narrowed the >>> possibilities down to the Charles who was born in Brookline. Various >>> records indicate that Elhanan was born in New Hampshire or Vermont. >>> His death record with information supplied by a child by his second >>> marriage who may not have been too knowledgeable indicates that he >>> was >>> born in Springfield, Vt. I have checked the vital records of >>> Springfield and all surrounding towns and have found nothing. The >>> only >>> Charles Winchester living during that time frame who went to Vermont >>> is >>> Charles of Brookline. The migratory path takes him from Franklin >>> Co., >>> Mass. to Bennington, Vt. That is about all I know. Seems to me that >>> my questions are very relevant. >>> Martha >>> On Sep 10, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >>> >>>> If you are looking for a different Elhanan, born later, why didn't >>>> you >>>> give >>>> the details for him? >>>> >>>> There were a lot of Winchesters, from NH as well as MA, and CT. How >>>> do you >>>> know that Charles may be the father of the one you are looking for. >>>> >>>> Usually people ask relevent questions, and I can't see that you are >>>> doing >>>> that. Normally people list what they know, not what they assume. >>>> >>>> Bonnie >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>>> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:38 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>>> >>>> >>>>> You will note in my original post, but I am speculating that this >>>>> Charles was the father of my ancestor Elhanan and am attempting to >>>>> link these two generations not the ones that came before. If I >>>>> could >>>>> identify all of the wives of this Charles and his children I might >>>>> have >>>>> the answer to the puzzle. You will note that my question did not >>>>> pertain to Charles' lineage but rather pertained to whether or >>>>> note it >>>>> is this Charles who was first married to Lucy Upton and then to >>>>> Irene >>>>> Rice!! >>>>> Martha >>>>> On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you had this info, why did you allude to Elhanan? >>>>>> >>>>>> I do a lot of look ups for people, and am listed with my library >>>>>> on >>>>>> Books We >>>>>> Own, but I do get a bit miffed when I spend my time looking to >>>>>> help, >>>>>> and >>>>>> have not been told the truth. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bonnie >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>>>>> To: <mafrankl@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:38 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bonnie, >>>>>>> Yes, I have that information. I am looking for information about >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> first wife. He was 60 years old when he married Irena Rice! >>>>>>> Martha >>>>>>> On Sep 8, 2006, at 1:09 PM, Bonnie Weber wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Martha >>>>>>>> Your Charles was the son of Isaac Winchester, m Irene?, >>>>>>>> b 14 Jan 1749, his descent is John, John, John, Isaac. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He is listed in the book "Descendants of John Winchester", NEHGS >>>>>>>> vol. >>>>>>>> 78, >>>>>>>> pages 18-19. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bonnie >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "MARTHA ALTEMUS" <maltemus2@verizon.net> >>>>>>>> To: <MAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:23 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: [MAFRANKL] Charles Winchester >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>> My brick wall is Charles Winchester who lived variously in Rowe >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> believe Charlemont although I have read that he owned lands in >>>>>>>>> Warwick >>>>>>>>> until about 1814 after which he relocated to Vermont. His >>>>>>>>> intentions >>>>>>>>> to marry Rene (Irena) Rice are recorded in Buckland in 1808, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> were married in 1809, but I know not where. In 1810 he is >>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Rowe census with four children indicating that either he or his >>>>>>>>> wife >>>>>>>>> had children at home by a previous marriage. He died in 1824 >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> Bennington Vt. after having applied for a Revolutionary War >>>>>>>>> pension. >>>>>>>>> This is the Charles Winchester born in Brookline Mass in 1749. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> believe that it is this Charles who was the father of my >>>>>>>>> ancestor >>>>>>>>> Elhanan Winchester by an earlier marriage. I have read various >>>>>>>>> sources >>>>>>>>> which indicate a marriage between Charles Winchester and Lucy >>>>>>>>> Upton >>>>>>>>> bpt. Mar. 13,1763 who reportedly died in Rome, Oeinda County, >>>>>>>>> New >>>>>>>>> York >>>>>>>>> per the Descendants of John Upton of North Reading, Mass. by >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> Adams Vinton. If this is the same Charles, when did she leave >>>>>>>>> him, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> were there any children? >>>>>>>>> Any help in determining who his earlier wife was would be >>>>>>>>> greatly >>>>>>>>> appreciated. Seems clear to me that the answer lies somewhere >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> Franklin County. >>>>>>>>> Martha Altemus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >