Good morning all, I've been casually following the RICE discussion...of the last couple of days, and thought that you might also like to see the post that I have included below...as much as I enjoyed it. There's a very old photo of a Robert RICE...a fellow Kentuckian...online. *S* At this time...I have no idea if Robert's connected to my RICE. ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: dfarmer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) There is a picture of a Robert Rice on the web at the DeadFred website. Maybe you can contact the person who submitted the photo and compare notes. http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=47206 ------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silver Dreams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) Looking for parents of Robert RICE, b. VA 1831-32. He married Sarah MORRIS (aka MARRISS) 13 Oct 1853, Johnson County, KY. I have seen Samuel listed as father of Robert, but no source cited. Also, looking for burial site of Robert RICE and Sarah MORRIS RICE. They lived in Lawrence Co., KY, possibly in Blaine or Louisa. Thank you, Sandy (gg grandaughter) ------------------------ As to his connection with a Samuel RICE??? Other than the above two posts......I have no further information on this Robert RICE. :o( As to hunting RICE in the early KY era...as much as I would love to claim all of them as kin...I can't. Because they aren't one family. At my last count...there are four separate RICE lines that were all residing in what is now KY. Possibly more. I used to have several of them sorted, and with outlines for them on my PC. Courtesy of a PC crash of just a little over a year ago... I no longer have any of that information. As much as I know...I am unable to clarify...for which I apologize. As some of you all ready know...I am connected to the following RICE who lived together in what is now KY, between 1778 and about 1820: Samuel R. RICE, [b. 1744 VA] m. 1st, in VA; Agnes MOSBEY, d/o Hezekiah MOSBY m. Elizabeth COX CH: John Mosbey RICE, [b. 1773 VA - d. MO] m. in KY, Martha "Patsy" JOHNSON d/o Noel JOHNSON [d. Lincoln Co. KY] m. Tabitha [__?__] m. 2nd, in VA; Susannah WATKINS d/o unknown CH: none m. 3rd, in VA; Sarah STRATTON [b. 1757 VA] d/o William STRATTON m. Sarah McCALL CH: Samuel Russell RICE, [b. 1787 KY - d. LA]...my line m. 1819 in LA, Martha "Patsy" CAMPBELL I have been hunting this line...for a very long time, and have long teamed with several of my RICE cousins to permanently stop all of those out there...who have long claimed that the John that is noted above...was not a brother to my Samuel Russell RICE. The reason for the confusion...is the spread in ages between them, their separate mothers, as well as the fact that in early 1803 both Samuel's moved to LA and over the years...the next generation lost contact [and family knowledge] after John's line all moved [c.1820] to the area that is now Boone Co. MO. Through DNA testing...we have PROVEN beyond all doubt that they are definitely brothers and sons...of the above noted Samuel R. RICE. To say that we're dancing a jig in our glee...is an understatement! What has come as a very large surprise to us...is that we have now identified atleast THREE separate RICE family groups...that all date back to atleast the 1780's in KY. There's atleast two with naming patterns that are almost identical to our RICE family group...but they're not our kin. Here's where to find this information... The RICE Surname DNA Project[s] can be found at: http://www.ftdna.com Put RICE in the surname search. There will be a tidy list of projects that will pop up. *S* The Surname DNA project that our RICE line is detailed within is: Edmund RICE We chose to work with that project...because it is open to all RICE and inspite of the fact that we aren't connected to his New England line of RICE. Our line, by tradition, has always been linked to VA. Land records for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744] have confirmed this. Anyway...there have been several separate haplogroups identified... in early KY for RICE and these include the numbers: 4, 7, and 13. The RICE family haplogroup for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]...is 13. I have no idea just how lucky that number 13 is--but it's ours.*S* IF...you have not all ready joined in with the Surname DNA Projects ...I would very much like to encourage you to do so. Hunt down...all of your males in the family, who carry the name that you want to identify, and ask them to join. Help them with the cost. By joining the DNA projects...you can reduce how much time and money you'll have wasted chasing the wrong family line...while hunting for your family line. There is no replacement for hard evidence, but there have been times when the hard evidence that had been found, had been mistakenly transcribed...or assimilated by earlier well meaning researchers. So whenever possible.....try to re-check...the original documents. My own VA JOHNSON line in early VA is an excellent case in point. Long have we had accepted as our progenitor......Edward JOHNSON. My own website...still has that listed and based on hard evidence. Similarly it was 'assumed' by many, that Noel JOHNSON was included. DNA has now proven that our progenitor is........Michael JOHNSON. DNA has now proven that there is no kinship with....Noel JOHNSON. In the sea of JOHNSONs in early colonial VA...'the sorting out' has some technological help. It's now causing us all to go back to the recorded information. So far...we've found two very prestigious researchers got it all wrong. IF...you do join in the projects...please test at a higher level than the base line 12 loci. The reason is that at this lowest level we have suffered way too many...misleading incorrect connections. At the 12 loci...most of us are connected...because that information denotes the part of earth we climbed out of the primordial ooze. I'm sorry to phrase it that way...but that level is pre-dating any kind of language, definitely before written language of any kind and before surnames. The 12 loci mostly indicates Africa as origin. That in itself is very nice to know...but we're all trying to sort out a little bit closer in time and that's just not close enough.*S* As I understand the DNA testing levels; 12..."primordial ooze" 25...15-25 generations [only available with a Surname Project] 37...8-14 generations 59...current to 8 generations Wishing all...success in whatever family line you're researching, Lisa Grimes ...actively researching RICE in early central KY ...RICE DNA Haplogroup #13 ----------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006