Hi Lisa, I have had my DNA tested to 24 loci and I am a group 4 Southern Rice. I have good documentation back to the Charles Rice that died in Madison County in 1809. That is why I am so interested in him. The problem is that all the documentation I can find says that Charles was the son of Peter Rice from the Edmund Rice line. Obviously this doesn't work if I am a Group 4 Rice. Do you have any clue about the Group 4 Rices in Madison County and where they came from. John Rice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Grimes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: [MADKY-L] Researching RICE in very early KY > Good morning all, > > I've been casually following the RICE discussion...of the last couple of > days, and thought that you might also like to see the post that I have > included below...as much as I enjoyed it. There's a very old photo of a > Robert RICE...a fellow Kentuckian...online. *S* > > At this time...I have no idea if Robert's connected to my RICE. > > ------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: dfarmer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > There is a picture of a Robert Rice on the web at the DeadFred website. > Maybe you can contact the person who submitted the photo and compare notes. > > http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=47206 > > ------------------------ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver Dreams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > Looking for parents of Robert RICE, b. VA 1831-32. He married > Sarah MORRIS (aka MARRISS) 13 Oct 1853, Johnson County, KY. > I have seen Samuel listed as father of Robert, but no source cited. > Also, looking for burial site of Robert RICE and Sarah MORRIS RICE. > They lived in Lawrence Co., KY, possibly in Blaine or Louisa. > Thank you, > > Sandy (gg grandaughter) > ------------------------ > > As to his connection with a Samuel RICE??? Other than the above two > posts......I have no further information on this Robert RICE. :o( > > As to hunting RICE in the early KY era...as much as I would love to claim > all of them as kin...I can't. Because they aren't one family. > > At my last count...there are four separate RICE lines that were all residing > in what is now KY. Possibly more. > > I used to have several of them sorted, and with outlines for them on my PC. > Courtesy of a PC crash of just a little over a year ago... > I no longer have any of that information. > > As much as I know...I am unable to clarify...for which I apologize. > > As some of you all ready know...I am connected to the following RICE who > lived together in what is now KY, between 1778 and about 1820: > > Samuel R. RICE, [b. 1744 VA] > m. 1st, in VA; Agnes MOSBEY, > d/o Hezekiah MOSBY m. Elizabeth COX > CH: John Mosbey RICE, [b. 1773 VA - d. MO] > m. in KY, Martha "Patsy" JOHNSON > d/o Noel JOHNSON [d. Lincoln Co. KY] > m. Tabitha [__?__] > > m. 2nd, in VA; Susannah WATKINS > d/o unknown > CH: none > > m. 3rd, in VA; Sarah STRATTON [b. 1757 VA] > d/o William STRATTON m. Sarah McCALL > CH: Samuel Russell RICE, [b. 1787 KY - d. LA]...my line > m. 1819 in LA, Martha "Patsy" CAMPBELL > > I have been hunting this line...for a very long time, and have long teamed > with several of my RICE cousins to permanently stop all of those out > there...who have long claimed that the John that is noted above...was not a > brother to my Samuel Russell RICE. > > The reason for the confusion...is the spread in ages between them, their > separate mothers, as well as the fact that in early 1803 both Samuel's moved > to LA and over the years...the next generation lost contact [and family > knowledge] after John's line all moved [c.1820] to the area that is now > Boone Co. MO. > > Through DNA testing...we have PROVEN beyond all doubt that they are > definitely brothers and sons...of the above noted Samuel R. RICE. > > To say that we're dancing a jig in our glee...is an understatement! > > What has come as a very large surprise to us...is that we have now > identified atleast THREE separate RICE family groups...that all date back to > atleast the 1780's in KY. There's atleast two with naming patterns that are > almost identical to our RICE family group...but they're not our kin. > > Here's where to find this information... > > The RICE Surname DNA Project[s] can be found at: > http://www.ftdna.com > Put RICE in the surname search. > There will be a tidy list of projects that will pop up. *S* > > The Surname DNA project that our RICE line is detailed within is: > Edmund RICE > > We chose to work with that project...because it is open to all RICE and > inspite of the fact that we aren't connected to his New England line of > RICE. Our line, by tradition, has always been linked to VA. > Land records for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744] have confirmed this. > > Anyway...there have been several separate haplogroups identified... in early > KY for RICE and these include the numbers: 4, 7, and 13. > > The RICE family haplogroup for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]...is 13. > I have no idea just how lucky that number 13 is--but it's ours.*S* > > IF...you have not all ready joined in with the Surname DNA Projects ...I > would very much like to encourage you to do so. > > Hunt down...all of your males in the family, who carry the name that you > want to identify, and ask them to join. Help them with the cost. By joining > the DNA projects...you can reduce how much time and money you'll have > wasted chasing the wrong family line...while hunting for your family line. > > There is no replacement for hard evidence, but there have been times when > the hard evidence that had been found, had been mistakenly transcribed...or > assimilated by earlier well meaning researchers. > So whenever possible.....try to re-check...the original documents. > > My own VA JOHNSON line in early VA is an excellent case in point. > Long have we had accepted as our progenitor......Edward JOHNSON. > My own website...still has that listed and based on hard evidence. > Similarly it was 'assumed' by many, that Noel JOHNSON was included. > > DNA has now proven that our progenitor is........Michael JOHNSON. > DNA has now proven that there is no kinship with....Noel JOHNSON. > > In the sea of JOHNSONs in early colonial VA...'the sorting out' has some > technological help. It's now causing us all to go back to the recorded > information. So far...we've found two very prestigious researchers got it > all wrong. > > IF...you do join in the projects...please test at a higher level than the > base line 12 loci. The reason is that at this lowest level we have suffered > way too many...misleading incorrect connections. > > At the 12 loci...most of us are connected...because that information denotes > the part of earth we climbed out of the primordial ooze. > > I'm sorry to phrase it that way...but that level is pre-dating any kind of > language, definitely before written language of any kind and before > surnames. The 12 loci mostly indicates Africa as origin. > > That in itself is very nice to know...but we're all trying to sort out a > little bit closer in time and that's just not close enough.*S* > > As I understand the DNA testing levels; > 12..."primordial ooze" > 25...15-25 generations > [only available with a Surname Project] > 37...8-14 generations > 59...current to 8 generations > > Wishing all...success in whatever family line you're researching, > > Lisa Grimes > ...actively researching RICE in early central KY > ...RICE DNA Haplogroup #13 > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006 > > > ==== MADKY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) as the only text in the body of a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest mode). >