I am very interested in this line as well as I believe I have a link. My McCollum family settled in early Ky (Garrard, Madison, Clay Co's) and left about 1819 for Chariton Co, Mo. My Gr Gr Grandfather, Abe Rice, b. in 1805 parts unk (probably Ky) was married to Susan Baker b abt 1812. Reason I believe I have a connection is because of some other related family names listed below (Morris, Cox). I've been stuck on Abe Rice for quite some time and wondering if anyone might have a connection to him. Thanks Michael D. McCollum Researching Surnames: McCollum,Hamm,Craigg,Penrod,Rice,Slater, Baker,Wharton,Day,Peebles,Sackett,Hatch,Skinner Personal Web Site: http://mikemccollum.home.mchsi.com McCollum Family Web Site: http://home.mchsi.com/~jonlennon/McCollum Hamm Family Web Site: http://home.mchsi.com/~jonlennon/Hamm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Grimes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: [MADKY-L] Researching RICE in very early KY > Good morning all, > > I've been casually following the RICE discussion...of the last couple of > days, and thought that you might also like to see the post that I have > included below...as much as I enjoyed it. There's a very old photo of a > Robert RICE...a fellow Kentuckian...online. *S* > > At this time...I have no idea if Robert's connected to my RICE. > > ------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: dfarmer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > There is a picture of a Robert Rice on the web at the DeadFred website. > Maybe you can contact the person who submitted the photo and compare > notes. > > http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=47206 > > ------------------------ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver Dreams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > Looking for parents of Robert RICE, b. VA 1831-32. He married > Sarah MORRIS (aka MARRISS) 13 Oct 1853, Johnson County, KY. > I have seen Samuel listed as father of Robert, but no source cited. > Also, looking for burial site of Robert RICE and Sarah MORRIS RICE. > They lived in Lawrence Co., KY, possibly in Blaine or Louisa. > Thank you, > > Sandy (gg grandaughter) > ------------------------ > > As to his connection with a Samuel RICE??? Other than the above two > posts......I have no further information on this Robert RICE. :o( > > As to hunting RICE in the early KY era...as much as I would love to claim > all of them as kin...I can't. Because they aren't one family. > > At my last count...there are four separate RICE lines that were all > residing > in what is now KY. Possibly more. > > I used to have several of them sorted, and with outlines for them on my > PC. > Courtesy of a PC crash of just a little over a year ago... > I no longer have any of that information. > > As much as I know...I am unable to clarify...for which I apologize. > > As some of you all ready know...I am connected to the following RICE who > lived together in what is now KY, between 1778 and about 1820: > > Samuel R. RICE, [b. 1744 VA] > m. 1st, in VA; Agnes MOSBEY, > d/o Hezekiah MOSBY m. Elizabeth COX > CH: John Mosbey RICE, [b. 1773 VA - d. MO] > m. in KY, Martha "Patsy" JOHNSON > d/o Noel JOHNSON [d. Lincoln Co. KY] > m. Tabitha [__?__] > > m. 2nd, in VA; Susannah WATKINS > d/o unknown > CH: none > > m. 3rd, in VA; Sarah STRATTON [b. 1757 VA] > d/o William STRATTON m. Sarah McCALL > CH: Samuel Russell RICE, [b. 1787 KY - d. LA]...my line > m. 1819 in LA, Martha "Patsy" CAMPBELL > > I have been hunting this line...for a very long time, and have long teamed > with several of my RICE cousins to permanently stop all of those out > there...who have long claimed that the John that is noted above...was not > a > brother to my Samuel Russell RICE. > > The reason for the confusion...is the spread in ages between them, their > separate mothers, as well as the fact that in early 1803 both Samuel's > moved > to LA and over the years...the next generation lost contact [and family > knowledge] after John's line all moved [c.1820] to the area that is now > Boone Co. MO. > > Through DNA testing...we have PROVEN beyond all doubt that they are > definitely brothers and sons...of the above noted Samuel R. RICE. > > To say that we're dancing a jig in our glee...is an understatement! > > What has come as a very large surprise to us...is that we have now > identified atleast THREE separate RICE family groups...that all date back > to > atleast the 1780's in KY. There's atleast two with naming patterns that > are > almost identical to our RICE family group...but they're not our kin. > > Here's where to find this information... > > The RICE Surname DNA Project[s] can be found at: > http://www.ftdna.com > Put RICE in the surname search. > There will be a tidy list of projects that will pop up. *S* > > The Surname DNA project that our RICE line is detailed within is: > Edmund RICE > > We chose to work with that project...because it is open to all RICE and > inspite of the fact that we aren't connected to his New England line of > RICE. Our line, by tradition, has always been linked to VA. > Land records for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744] have confirmed this. > > Anyway...there have been several separate haplogroups identified... in > early > KY for RICE and these include the numbers: 4, 7, and 13. > > The RICE family haplogroup for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]...is 13. > I have no idea just how lucky that number 13 is--but it's ours.*S* > > IF...you have not all ready joined in with the Surname DNA Projects ...I > would very much like to encourage you to do so. > > Hunt down...all of your males in the family, who carry the name that you > want to identify, and ask them to join. Help them with the cost. By > joining > the DNA projects...you can reduce how much time and money you'll have > wasted chasing the wrong family line...while hunting for your family line. > > There is no replacement for hard evidence, but there have been times when > the hard evidence that had been found, had been mistakenly > transcribed...or > assimilated by earlier well meaning researchers. > So whenever possible.....try to re-check...the original documents. > > My own VA JOHNSON line in early VA is an excellent case in point. > Long have we had accepted as our progenitor......Edward JOHNSON. > My own website...still has that listed and based on hard evidence. > Similarly it was 'assumed' by many, that Noel JOHNSON was included. > > DNA has now proven that our progenitor is........Michael JOHNSON. > DNA has now proven that there is no kinship with....Noel JOHNSON. > > In the sea of JOHNSONs in early colonial VA...'the sorting out' has some > technological help. It's now causing us all to go back to the recorded > information. So far...we've found two very prestigious researchers got it > all wrong. > > IF...you do join in the projects...please test at a higher level than the > base line 12 loci. The reason is that at this lowest level we have > suffered > way too many...misleading incorrect connections. > > At the 12 loci...most of us are connected...because that information > denotes > the part of earth we climbed out of the primordial ooze. > > I'm sorry to phrase it that way...but that level is pre-dating any kind of > language, definitely before written language of any kind and before > surnames. The 12 loci mostly indicates Africa as origin. > > That in itself is very nice to know...but we're all trying to sort out a > little bit closer in time and that's just not close enough.*S* > > As I understand the DNA testing levels; > 12..."primordial ooze" > 25...15-25 generations > [only available with a Surname Project] > 37...8-14 generations > 59...current to 8 generations > > Wishing all...success in whatever family line you're researching, > > Lisa Grimes > ...actively researching RICE in early central KY > ...RICE DNA Haplogroup #13 > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006 > > > ==== MADKY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) as the > only text in the body of a message to [email protected] (mail > mode) or [email protected] (digest mode). > >

Hi Mike, Thank you for writing. *S* ----------- -----Original Message----- From: Mike McCollum [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:01 AM To: Lisa Grimes; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MADKY-L] Researching RICE in very early KY I am very interested in this line as well as I believe I have a link. My McCollum family settled in early Ky (Garrard, Madison, Clay Co's) and left about 1819 for Chariton Co, Mo. My Gr Gr Grandfather, Abe Rice, b. in 1805 parts unk (probably Ky) was married to Susan Baker b abt 1812. Reason I believe I have a connection is because of some other related family names listed below (Morris, Cox). I've been stuck on Abe Rice for quite some time and wondering if anyone might have a connection to him. Thanks Michael D. McCollum Researching Surnames: McCollum,Hamm,Craigg,Penrod,Rice,Slater, Baker,Wharton,Day,Peebles,Sackett,Hatch,Skinner Personal Web Site: http://mikemccollum.home.mchsi.com McCollum Family Web Site: http://home.mchsi.com/~jonlennon/McCollum Hamm Family Web Site: http://home.mchsi.com/~jonlennon/Hamm ----------- I sure wish...that I could claim your Abe RICE...but at this time this just doesn't look like a connection to my line. :o( Following down the line from Abe...do you know of any RICE males that could participate in the RICE Surname DNA Project?? If so... then that might give you the best idea as to where to look further. The COX connection is thru Hezekiah MOSBEY m. Elizabeth COX. Neither of whom were ever in KY. These two are the parents of Agnes MOSBEY who was the first wife of Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]. Samuel & Agnes m. 1772 VA, John was b. 1773 VA, and Agnes d.1774 VA. Samuel RICE did remarry and his 2nd wife died in that same year. Then in 1777...he re-married one more time to my Sarah STRATTON and within 2 years they were out of eastern VA and in Lincoln Co. VA ...to what is now KY. In about 1820...John RICE, eldest s/o Samuel R. RICE, moved his wife and their family to what is now Boone Co. MO. A couple of his elder sons had taken a trip to there, from Warren Co. KY, and liked it. One place for you to research for your COX connection...is in the area of what are now Chesterfield, Henrico, Powhatan and Cumberland Counties. Don't be too surprised to find that COX is linked to many in those areas and that does include both MOSBY and STRATTON. As to just how many COX lines are in Colonial VA...I have no idea. I haven't done too much digging on that surname. That is not yet. I am going to have to sometime in the future. *S* Wishing you lots of success, Lisa --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Grimes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: [MADKY-L] Researching RICE in very early KY > Good morning all, > > I've been casually following the RICE discussion...of the last couple of > days, and thought that you might also like to see the post that I have > included below...as much as I enjoyed it. There's a very old photo of a > Robert RICE...a fellow Kentuckian...online. *S* > > At this time...I have no idea if Robert's connected to my RICE. > > ------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: dfarmer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > There is a picture of a Robert Rice on the web at the DeadFred website. > Maybe you can contact the person who submitted the photo and compare > notes. > > http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=47206 > > ------------------------ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver Dreams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > Looking for parents of Robert RICE, b. VA 1831-32. He married > Sarah MORRIS (aka MARRISS) 13 Oct 1853, Johnson County, KY. > I have seen Samuel listed as father of Robert, but no source cited. > Also, looking for burial site of Robert RICE and Sarah MORRIS RICE. > They lived in Lawrence Co., KY, possibly in Blaine or Louisa. > Thank you, > > Sandy (gg grandaughter) > ------------------------ > > As to his connection with a Samuel RICE??? Other than the above two > posts......I have no further information on this Robert RICE. :o( > > As to hunting RICE in the early KY era...as much as I would love to claim > all of them as kin...I can't. Because they aren't one family. > > At my last count...there are four separate RICE lines that were all > residing > in what is now KY. Possibly more. > > I used to have several of them sorted, and with outlines for them on my > PC. > Courtesy of a PC crash of just a little over a year ago... > I no longer have any of that information. > > As much as I know...I am unable to clarify...for which I apologize. > > As some of you all ready know...I am connected to the following RICE who > lived together in what is now KY, between 1778 and about 1820: > > Samuel R. RICE, [b. 1744 VA] > m. 1st, in VA; Agnes MOSBEY, > d/o Hezekiah MOSBY m. Elizabeth COX > CH: John Mosbey RICE, [b. 1773 VA - d. MO] > m. in KY, Martha "Patsy" JOHNSON > d/o Noel JOHNSON [d. Lincoln Co. KY] > m. Tabitha [__?__] > > m. 2nd, in VA; Susannah WATKINS > d/o unknown > CH: none > > m. 3rd, in VA; Sarah STRATTON [b. 1757 VA] > d/o William STRATTON m. Sarah McCALL > CH: Samuel Russell RICE, [b. 1787 KY - d. LA]...my line > m. 1819 in LA, Martha "Patsy" CAMPBELL > > I have been hunting this line...for a very long time, and have long teamed > with several of my RICE cousins to permanently stop all of those out > there...who have long claimed that the John that is noted above...was not > a > brother to my Samuel Russell RICE. > > The reason for the confusion...is the spread in ages between them, their > separate mothers, as well as the fact that in early 1803 both Samuel's > moved > to LA and over the years...the next generation lost contact [and family > knowledge] after John's line all moved [c.1820] to the area that is now > Boone Co. MO. > > Through DNA testing...we have PROVEN beyond all doubt that they are > definitely brothers and sons...of the above noted Samuel R. RICE. > > To say that we're dancing a jig in our glee...is an understatement! > > What has come as a very large surprise to us...is that we have now > identified atleast THREE separate RICE family groups...that all date back > to > atleast the 1780's in KY. There's atleast two with naming patterns that > are > almost identical to our RICE family group...but they're not our kin. > > Here's where to find this information... > > The RICE Surname DNA Project[s] can be found at: > http://www.ftdna.com > Put RICE in the surname search. > There will be a tidy list of projects that will pop up. *S* > > The Surname DNA project that our RICE line is detailed within is: > Edmund RICE > > We chose to work with that project...because it is open to all RICE and > inspite of the fact that we aren't connected to his New England line of > RICE. Our line, by tradition, has always been linked to VA. > Land records for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744] have confirmed this. > > Anyway...there have been several separate haplogroups identified... in > early > KY for RICE and these include the numbers: 4, 7, and 13. > > The RICE family haplogroup for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]...is 13. > I have no idea just how lucky that number 13 is--but it's ours.*S* > > IF...you have not all ready joined in with the Surname DNA Projects ...I > would very much like to encourage you to do so. > > Hunt down...all of your males in the family, who carry the name that you > want to identify, and ask them to join. Help them with the cost. By > joining > the DNA projects...you can reduce how much time and money you'll have > wasted chasing the wrong family line...while hunting for your family line. > > There is no replacement for hard evidence, but there have been times when > the hard evidence that had been found, had been mistakenly > transcribed...or > assimilated by earlier well meaning researchers. > So whenever possible.....try to re-check...the original documents. > > My own VA JOHNSON line in early VA is an excellent case in point. > Long have we had accepted as our progenitor......Edward JOHNSON. > My own website...still has that listed and based on hard evidence. > Similarly it was 'assumed' by many, that Noel JOHNSON was included. > > DNA has now proven that our progenitor is........Michael JOHNSON. > DNA has now proven that there is no kinship with....Noel JOHNSON. > > In the sea of JOHNSONs in early colonial VA...'the sorting out' has some > technological help. It's now causing us all to go back to the recorded > information. So far...we've found two very prestigious researchers got it > all wrong. > > IF...you do join in the projects...please test at a higher level than the > base line 12 loci. The reason is that at this lowest level we have > suffered > way too many...misleading incorrect connections. > > At the 12 loci...most of us are connected...because that information > denotes > the part of earth we climbed out of the primordial ooze. > > I'm sorry to phrase it that way...but that level is pre-dating any kind of > language, definitely before written language of any kind and before > surnames. The 12 loci mostly indicates Africa as origin. > > That in itself is very nice to know...but we're all trying to sort out a > little bit closer in time and that's just not close enough.*S* > > As I understand the DNA testing levels; > 12..."primordial ooze" > 25...15-25 generations > [only available with a Surname Project] > 37...8-14 generations > 59...current to 8 generations > > Wishing all...success in whatever family line you're researching, > > Lisa Grimes > ...actively researching RICE in early central KY > ...RICE DNA Haplogroup #13 > ----------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 4/13/2006