Batha Thanks for the reminder. Cacius Clay was able to win in court and removed over 500 acres from Thomas LANHAM my GGGGRandfather. If any of you are at the Un. of East KY in Richmond there are lots of records of these land fights. Thanks again Cliff Lanham On Fri Jul 27 0:28 , 'Batha Karr' <batha.k@comcast.net> sent: >No one has mentioned the chaotic land speculation in frontier Kentucky. Two >large companies took their claims to court resulting in lawsuits over >conflicting land claims. I forget which land company won but many lost their >land through the Kentucky courts. Daniel Boone was one of these. He ended up >in Missouri also. > >Batha May Risher Karr > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amen........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Batha Karr" <batha.k@comcast.net> To: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com>; <madky@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [MADKY] "Large Land Claims" > What you have said about land claims is most interesting. I have always > wanted to know most of the details. What is legal is not always moral. > Boone > and others were the first in and fought for the land. To think he lost it > because he did not have a survey was too bad. But one has to follow the > system, do we not? > > Batha Karr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> > To: "madCoList" <madky@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [MADKY] "Large Land Claims" > > >> One name that comes to mind immediately, is the Craig family. In reading >> land documents, the process is pretty well described; these large land >> claims - maybe 30,000 acres - were entered, knowing that the entire area >> enclosed many small claims. When the case got to court, the small >> claim-owners were forced to produce documents proving every step of their >> claim (entry, survey, grant). Many of these small owners had not >> followed >> all the requirements, perhaps because they were illiterate as Boone is >> said to have been, or because of lack of money to pay surveyors, filing >> of >> papers, etc. If the small-claimers could not produce the required docs, >> their claim was thrown out. It was a legal maneuver, seems to me, to >> separate the true claimants from the false/incomplete claimants. Mary >> Alice >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Ann there seems to be a good deal of land gouging (Grabbing) in Missouri claims. Many of the people trusted not too ethical "lawyers" as they really could not understand the legalize{I meet them to this very day who cannot understand a land description] let alone entailments of that land. I have read legal land description from about age eight when my grandfather gave me a deed and read what was supposed to be in it to see if it was totally correct. He was once complimented "as never making a mistake on a contract." And he made one(a sale of land) on the day he died. Bud. -----Original Message----- From: madky-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:madky-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M. A. Farrell Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:25 PM To: madCoList Subject: Re: [MADKY] "Large Land Claims" One name that comes to mind immediately, is the Craig family. In reading land documents, the process is pretty well described; these large land claims - maybe 30,000 acres - were entered, knowing that the entire area enclosed many small claims. When the case got to court, the small claim-owners were forced to produce documents proving every step of their claim (entry, survey, grant). Many of these small owners had not followed all the requirements, perhaps because they were illiterate as Boone is said to have been, or because of lack of money to pay surveyors, filing of papers, etc. If the small-claimers could not produce the required docs, their claim was thrown out. It was a legal maneuver, seems to me, to separate the true claimants from the false/incomplete claimants. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What you have said about land claims is most interesting. I have always wanted to know most of the details. What is legal is not always moral. Boone and others were the first in and fought for the land. To think he lost it because he did not have a survey was too bad. But one has to follow the system, do we not? Batha Karr ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> To: "madCoList" <madky@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [MADKY] "Large Land Claims" > One name that comes to mind immediately, is the Craig family. In reading > land documents, the process is pretty well described; these large land > claims - maybe 30,000 acres - were entered, knowing that the entire area > enclosed many small claims. When the case got to court, the small > claim-owners were forced to produce documents proving every step of their > claim (entry, survey, grant). Many of these small owners had not followed > all the requirements, perhaps because they were illiterate as Boone is > said to have been, or because of lack of money to pay surveyors, filing of > papers, etc. If the small-claimers could not produce the required docs, > their claim was thrown out. It was a legal maneuver, seems to me, to > separate the true claimants from the false/incomplete claimants. Mary > Alice > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

One name that comes to mind immediately, is the Craig family. In reading land documents, the process is pretty well described; these large land claims - maybe 30,000 acres - were entered, knowing that the entire area enclosed many small claims. When the case got to court, the small claim-owners were forced to produce documents proving every step of their claim (entry, survey, grant). Many of these small owners had not followed all the requirements, perhaps because they were illiterate as Boone is said to have been, or because of lack of money to pay surveyors, filing of papers, etc. If the small-claimers could not produce the required docs, their claim was thrown out. It was a legal maneuver, seems to me, to separate the true claimants from the false/incomplete claimants. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Looking for and reading land records will expand knowledge of family and many other whys. The series called The American Papers are a source of many disputed Mo. land claims . -----Original Message----- From: madky-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:madky-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Batha Karr Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:28 PM To: madky@rootsweb.com Subject: [MADKY] Exodus to Missouri No one has mentioned the chaotic land speculation in frontier Kentucky. Two large companies took their claims to court resulting in lawsuits over conflicting land claims. I forget which land company won but many lost their land through the Kentucky courts. Daniel Boone was one of these. He ended up in Missouri also. Batha May Risher Karr ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No one has mentioned the chaotic land speculation in frontier Kentucky. Two large companies took their claims to court resulting in lawsuits over conflicting land claims. I forget which land company won but many lost their land through the Kentucky courts. Daniel Boone was one of these. He ended up in Missouri also. Batha May Risher Karr

I suspect your theory is as good as any. The desire for land and the personal desire to move west was also felt by my faMILY LINELANHAM's which like yours moved out of Madsion County to MO near St Louise later to Nottaway Co and then to Texas. I suspect your folks were like mine, famers. Thomas LANHAM of Boonesbough, KY Cliff LANHAM On Mon Jul 23 17:32 , 'samuels' <dwsbgs@centurytel.net> sent: >I have a theory, Land, both as military payment and because theirs had "worn >out" and Missouri offered a chance to start over. The itch for a "better" >place. What has always fascinated me was the complacency with which the >females went along. I have read many diaries and it seems they suffered in >silence. > >-----Original Message----- >From: madky-bounces@rootsweb.com [madky-bounces@rootsweb.com','','','')">madky-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of CGarr34@aol.com >Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:20 AM >To: madky@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MADKY] Exodus to Howard Co. Mo. in early 1800's > >It appears that my ancestor, James Johnson, was among many others that moved > >from Madison Co. Ky. in very early 1800's to Howard Co. Mo. > >Does anyone know what caused this group to move there together? > > > >at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can relate to this and they were residing in Missouri with Land in Kentucky and in the Missouri county and sometimes in the Ky. Deed book an affidavit of the assignment of an agent, and they are on the tax record in Missouri, if you are lucky they also appear in the Missouri Census. The agent was often a family member residing in Ky. ,at the time of the record. -----Original Message----- From: madky-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:madky-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hdanw@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:50 PM To: MADKY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MADKY] A Possible People-Finder for Early Residents of Missouri When one reads deeds, particularly commissioners deeds, of Madison Co. wherein the heirs of a landowner of Madison Co. are selling their inherited property, one will frequently find the name of a resident of Missouri--or the name of a spouse of a female heir. This may puzzle you because you do not find this couple in the cenuses of Kentucky. Well--there is Missouri!!! This URL may help you locate some land-owners of Missouri. It is an index only. Perhaps those more familiar with the peculiarities of the internet may find the original patent, but I believe you have to send off for it. Here is the URL Remove any punctuation which rootsweb may add--to keep down spam, hackers, et al. _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) Unless you have a VERY common surname, type in the surname but specify Missouri. The better list is that of the Land Patents--not the surveys--although you may find something interesting there too. The warrant and then the survey preceded the issuance of the patent, which may have taken a number of years to acquire. Not everyone who got permission to do a survey hung around long enough to acquire a patent!!! Or had not enough money! Read up on Land Records in a reference book such as The Source and other good genealogical reference books. Good luck!!! E.W.Wallace ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/25/2007 7:50:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Hdanw@aol.com writes: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Correction - Oliver Anderson's house in Lexington MO is a STATE historical site - not National. Should have googled it first. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

When one reads deeds, particularly commissioners deeds, of Madison Co. wherein the heirs of a landowner of Madison Co. are selling their inherited property, one will frequently find the name of a resident of Missouri--or the name of a spouse of a female heir. This may puzzle you because you do not find this couple in the cenuses of Kentucky. Well--there is Missouri!!! This URL may help you locate some land-owners of Missouri. It is an index only. Perhaps those more familiar with the peculiarities of the internet may find the original patent, but I believe you have to send off for it. Here is the URL Remove any punctuation which rootsweb may add--to keep down spam, hackers, et al. _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) Unless you have a VERY common surname, type in the surname but specify Missouri. The better list is that of the Land Patents--not the surveys--although you may find something interesting there too. The warrant and then the survey preceded the issuance of the patent, which may have taken a number of years to acquire. Not everyone who got permission to do a survey hung around long enough to acquire a patent!!! Or had not enough money! Read up on Land Records in a reference book such as The Source and other good genealogical reference books. Good luck!!! E.W.Wallace ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Bud, can you give me a year/range for these Lee/Ross/Anderson marriages? I know we had vague connections to Ross families. The brother who went to Lexington MO from Lexington KY in 1853, Oliver Anderson, became notorious during the Civil War because of his anti-abolition activities (he was thrown in prison when in his 60's), and his home in Lexington MO is now a National Historic Site. His sons b.ca.1820-40s would have been the ones to marry around 1850 and later. I think one wound up out in Idaho, opening stores for mining communities. I would have to look up that info. One of the Madison Co Anderson's, John Anderson & wife Sarah, sold his land on Paint Lick around 1812 and went first to Indiana, then West. Those are the lines I know of off-hand. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Mary Alice; Your 2 cents should have a dollar sign( complete and with citation) By any chance did your northeast MO. Andersons marry with Ross or LEE? Thomas ANDERSON married twice his second wife was Elizabeth LEE d/o Thomas &Gabriella Herndon LEE and his daughter by his first wife? Nancy CURTIS , Nancy Catherine ANDERSON md. Elizabeth'S brother Edmund Riley LEE. I believe buried somewhere in this mess I have data collected by Charley ROSS on the ANDERSON FAMILY. Bud. -----Original Message----- From: madky-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:madky-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M. A. Farrell Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 PM To: madky@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MADKY] Exodus to Howard Co. Mo. in early 1800's My 2 cents worth: Missouri was possessed and controlled by France and Spain from 1682 until 1803, when it became property of the United States by the "The Louisiana Purchase". It was part of Louisiana Territory until 1812, when it became Missouri Territory. Indians had been pushed East and occupied most of that Territory until 1815, when "a peace treaty" made it safer for white settlers. When Missouri bacame a State in 1821, it already had 56,000 white settlers. I found this information in my George B. Everton's Handy Book for Genealogists, but we all know it was in "The Louisiana Purchase". My own family moved immediately into lands taken from Indians, in all directions west and south, and made claim to large tracts; thereby migrating a younger generation every 20/30 years. Even tho my line did not go into MO until 1835 when Indians had been tamed in the area that became Arkansas, other Andersons in the family settled in the Northern Missouri Territory.. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My 2 cents worth: Missouri was possessed and controlled by France and Spain from 1682 until 1803, when it became property of the United States by the "The Louisiana Purchase". It was part of Louisiana Territory until 1812, when it became Missouri Territory. Indians had been pushed East and occupied most of that Territory until 1815, when "a peace treaty" made it safer for white settlers. When Missouri bacame a State in 1821, it already had 56,000 white settlers. I found this information in my George B. Everton's Handy Book for Genealogists, but we all know it was in "The Louisiana Purchase". My own family moved immediately into lands taken from Indians, in all directions west and south, and made claim to large tracts; thereby migrating a younger generation every 20/30 years. Even tho my line did not go into MO until 1835 when Indians had been tamed in the area that became Arkansas, other Andersons in the family settled in the Northern Missouri Territory.. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

AMEN! ----- Original Message ----- From: "samuels" <dwsbgs@centurytel.net> To: <madky@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MADKY] Exodus to Howard Co. Mo. in early 1800's >I have a theory, Land, both as military payment and because theirs had >"worn > out" and Missouri offered a chance to start over. The itch for a "better" > place. What has always fascinated me was the complacency with which the > females went along. I have read many diaries and it seems they suffered in > silence. > > -----Original Message----- > From: madky-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:madky-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of CGarr34@aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:20 AM > To: madky@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MADKY] Exodus to Howard Co. Mo. in early 1800's > > It appears that my ancestor, James Johnson, was among many others that > moved > > from Madison Co. Ky. in very early 1800's to Howard Co. Mo. > > Does anyone know what caused this group to move there together? > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Katherine, I can access Heritage Quest using the TX State Library access address, log in and password, BUT was also looking for an LDS Access route at familysearch.org - did not find. Can you tell me how to get into Heritage Quest on familysearch.org?? Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

There also was a recruitment going on to get Missouri the inhabitants to qualify for statehood. Land was "high" and scarce in Ky. And Military service got one preference and Mo. land was cheap by comparison. And fertile. Bud. -----Original Message----- From: madky-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:madky-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donnamnichols@peoplepc.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:18 PM To: madky@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MADKY] Exodus to Howard Co. Mo. in early 1800's Some of my Moberly's/Moberley's left Madison Co in 1825-1840's for Missouri. I am told Moberly, Missouri was thus named. I have always assumed that it was part of the "westward movement". Donna Moberley Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: <batcave@695online.com> To: <madky@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MADKY] Exodus to Howard Co. Mo. in early 1800's > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a theory, Land, both as military payment and because theirs had "worn out" and Missouri offered a chance to start over. The itch for a "better" place. What has always fascinated me was the complacency with which the females went along. I have read many diaries and it seems they suffered in silence. -----Original Message----- From: madky-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:madky-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CGarr34@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:20 AM To: madky@rootsweb.com Subject: [MADKY] Exodus to Howard Co. Mo. in early 1800's It appears that my ancestor, James Johnson, was among many others that moved from Madison Co. Ky. in very early 1800's to Howard Co. Mo. Does anyone know what caused this group to move there together? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some of my Moberly's/Moberley's left Madison Co in 1825-1840's for Missouri. I am told Moberly, Missouri was thus named. I have always assumed that it was part of the "westward movement". Donna Moberley Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: <batcave@695online.com> To: <madky@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MADKY] Exodus to Howard Co. Mo. in early 1800's > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message